this sunday, the biden agenda at risk. progressive democrats holding firm on spending bills. >> we're not leaving one part of the agenda behind and giving up on the idea of child care, paid leave, health care. >> moderate democrats hoping to trim the cost. >> i understand people are concerned about the top line dollar amount. >> republicans vowing to stand in the■ç way. >> this is government-run socialism. >> will democrats reach an agreement or fail and risk sinking the president's agenda. my guests, democratic senator

cory booker of new jersey. >> i've seen desperate looks of people trying -- >> that encampment of migrant haitians finally clear. >> there are no longer any migrants in camp underneath the del rio bridge. >> questions remain about where the migrants were sent, their treatment aídç how to secure th border. >> i'll talk to homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. rochelle walensky overrules her own cdc panel and recommends pfizer boosters for woerks at risk. new revelations about what president trump was doing on january 6th and the efforts being made at the trump white house at the time to overturn the results of the election. i'll talk to the authors of■ç "peril" bob woodward and robert costa. joining me are amy walter from "the cook political report,"

eddie glaude jr. of princeton university, nbc news capitol hill correspondent leigh ann caldwell and meghan mccain columnist for thedailymail.com. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. õv>> good sunday morning. when democrats won control of the white house, held the house and narrowly grabbed the senate in the georgia upset, they embraced very large goals that carried very large risks. president biden proposed a vast and ambitious progressive agenda, much packed into two bills, an infrastructure bill and a $3.5 trillion domgs spending bill. even as the president faces a series of challenges, democrats are fighting amongst ■çthemselv. progressives and moderates are arguing over the size and scope of the $3.5 trillion spending bill with each side threatening to sink it.

john po definition sta who worked for clin done and balk warned democrats, if they failed to reach agreement, it would sig snal a complete and utter failure of our democratic duty and reckless abdication of our responsibility. for democrats, fam your is not an option. ag of the president, of their party who desperately needs a win. democrats have little margin for error in the house and no margin for error in the senate and no clear path yet for making good on the president's promises. >> this is a process, and it's going to be up and down. that's why i don't look at the polls. >> president biden who ran on bringing competency back to washington is facing a string of setbacks, a chaotic■ç withdrawa from afghanistan, migrant crisis ot the border, the pandemic and a brewing fight on capitl over his do i said it's going to

take >> in del rio, once packed with 15,000 migrants, mostly haitians, are now gone. on thursday the u.s. special envoy to haiti resigned in i'm president. to see■ç people treated like th did, horses almost running them over and people being strapped, i promise you those people will pay. >> republicans are refusing to

keep the government open and solvent, threatening legislative sabotage as a tactic. >> the debt ceiling will be raised as it always should be, but it will be raised by the democrats. >> mr. biden is attempting to negotiate a political truce between progressive and centrist democrats at odds over the■ç si of his domestic spending package and the timing of a vote on a bipartisan infrastructure bill. house speaker nancy pelosi is promising a vote this week -- >> progressives are threatening to withhold their support until they are reassureses on the size of the proposed $3.5 trillion domestic spending package. >> the reality is the bill coming up and not having votes is not something the speaker will be willing to do and we■ç don't have the votes for it. >> it's a shame, truly a shame that they're using this as a hostage -- >> john podesta is calling on progressives to pare back their am missions, writing, the

political reality is clear, we will not secure the full $3.5 trillion. warning the prospect of neither is unconscionable. >> it's politically catastrophic if we don't move forward with these bills at this time. joining■ç me is the democrac senator from new jersey, cory booker. >> good to be back on. >> good to have you in person. we're getting there. john podesta earlier this yeek wrote a memo -- basically sending a memo to both sides of this argument, moderates and progressives, you're going to have to come together. to progressives you'll going to have to face the reality that $3.5 trillion has to be paired &q-ì(lc% >> this is joe biden's bill. as he said in the oval office, i've never been a progressive. this is about seizing what is a once-in-a-generation opportunity, like those who built the canals and the

railroads, like those that built the incredible eisenhower highway act. so how this plays out, yeah, this is washington. i'm sure there's going to be some kind of compromise, but to me, the compromise,■ç repairing our electrical grid or to compromise ending, being the only nation on the planet earth of industrial nations that doesn't have paid family leave, that has its costs and it's going to make america lose the boldness of the possibility of jumping forward as a nation. >> is there a sense here though that maybe -- there's an old saying our parents used to say, your eyes are bigger than your stomach. were the political eyes bigger than the political reality? you can only do as much as the■ 50th senator? >> that's 100% true. a lot of times we're losing sight of what we've already accomplished. i was with someone who said, what's he done for the black

community. what are you talking about? we've cut child poverty 50%. the first president stepping up on black farmers, maternal mortality, getting led pipes ouç of the ground. if we do have a $3 trillion bill, a $2.5 trillion, i'm going to push for as big and bold as we can. it will be a historic investment in america. unlike president trump who racked up $8 trillion worth of debt. where did it go? to the wealthiest in our nation. this president with the child tax credit has given the biggest middle class tax cut in our country in generations. i'm proud of what biden is doing. as we sat in the oval■ç office, moderates were coming out, progressives. >> reporter: going in, he's doing shuttle diplomacy trying to land this. >> i guess the question is, it looks like distrust from my perspective, in that you wrote this letter along with ten other

senators to reenforce this idea, hey, don't bring up the bipartisan infrastructure bill in the house until the larger reconciliation bill is done. why can't you trust centrists or moderates or how ever we want to classify the folks that they'll be there, why monday, put points on the score board for president biden which right now helps the whole party and trust that the moderates will be there for this? >> i don't think it's a matter of trust. i've been around this town now for eight years, watching the best of intentions not manifest into something real. we were told we see this as one package. the president in the last week has said don't separate this. this is one package that we're looking at. so i just want to make sure -- this is not about a■ç bunch of people battling it out in congress. this is about the american people. to get half of this done and leave mothers looking for affordable child care, americans who are looking for lower cost prescription drugs, to leave people like that on the wayside,

families that need that child tax credit, to leave those folks on the wayside is unacceptable to me. i've seen the best of intentions. it want a more real guarantee. >> word is not enough? >> no, again■ç -- >> that's what it comes down to, basically saying joe manchin's word is not enough here. >> i've been looked in the eye by people in this town, they meant it sin is early, honor in them saying, we won't get this in the bill, but we'll get to it. sometimes that ends up being the next congress. when you have the leverage, you use the leverage. as long as it's not about ego or partisanship, but about the communities in this country.■ç independents, 67% support what we're trying to do, republicans, if you break out the policies in these bills -- >> i want to get to that, breaking out the policies. i'm having flashbacks to health care, hey, i hear the same thing, the individual parts are really popular.

yes, they are. should you be dealing with them in an individual piece here? i understand the situation of reconciliation. but you could be debating each part of this bill one at a time and you might guess your message to the people that this isn't just a■ç money grab. >> i tell you, i was a mayor during the health care debates and it took years before suddenly the affordable kaerp act, call it obamacare, but no the affordable kaerp act pulls for every group, republicans, independents and democrats. again, there is movements and moments. this is a moment for america to go big. we didn't tell fdr, hey, break it into constituent parts. >> he did do it■ç though. both lbj and fdr did this in pieces, and they had bigger majorities. >> they had much bigger majorities. this is real politic. you know what it looks like for the next congress to move this

big. people elected the president of the united states to do bold, big things that will change america. this is our moment, we should seize it. >> during the presidential primaries which you are part of, didn't the democratic voters■ç essentially send the message, do what's possible, they didn't pick the progressive candidates? >> they picked a moderate guy who has a great track record forgetting things done in the senate. that's why joe biden was joking with us in the white house, this isn't a pros give wish list. this is an american wish list. when you poll the parts with republicans, what he's doing is wildly popular are republican americans who want affordable college and day care. they want to■ç make sure we're meeting the challenge of climate change. to characterize this as some -- remember, bernie sanders' first wish list was a $6 trillion package. this is significantly less than that. washington math, you've got to get upset about this.

trump's -- $3 trillion was paid for. this one is a zero bill. we're paying for the whole thing but we're using different math to make it sound■ç bigger and me ornery. >> i don't want to let you go without asking your take on why police reform didn't come to true igs. tim scott said they couldn't let go of their mush to defend our law enforcement. >> no. >> why are we descending into partisan name calling. these are two guys that sat down, worked very hard over nine months, got the fop to enforce a compromise bill. i never imagined■ç we would get fop leadership to get on board. the international association of chiefs of police who said yes, our departments are in trouble. >> why do you think senator scott is using this language? you've been drr symptomatic.

>> i love him. i send him grace all the time. he's a friend of mine. the reality is i've gotten■ç space with lindsey graham, chuck grassley. >> you think mcdonnell -- others above it were like, do the best you can. >> i promised the families we eat get things done. i do think this town has got to learn, all of us, to try to play the singular blame game, i accept responsibility. we didn't get it done. i haven't stopped working. we need to lift the frequency of this town, especially on issues like this that all america knows. biggest demonstrations in■ç thi country's history for change. that want change -- >> it's quite notable, though, that you're not going politics here, senator scott is. just saying. >> again, i've learned a lot over the last eight years, and that's not the way to get things done. we're going to still see

vide we've had tragedies in this country we've all witnessed. we've got to start getting things done. the wonderful thing about it is police leaders understand it as well. >> senator booker, thanks for coming in. appreciate it. >> thank you very much. on friday, homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas announced all the haitian migrants under the bridge in del rio had been released. more than 12,000 allowed to request asylum. as of friday, 2,000 were expelled to haiti. the images of■ç white border patrol agents drew sharp criticism. senator mayokas, let me start with the decision to send 2,000 haitian migrants back to haiti. in hind side, was that a mistake? >> no, that isn't.

that's an exercise of a public health imperative. we're in the midst of a pandemic. the centers for disease control has a title 42 authority that we exercise to protect the migrants themselves,■ç to protect the lol communities, our personnel and the american public. the pandemic is not behind us. title 42 is a public health policy, not an immigration policy. >> these folks didn't come from haiti. they came from other places in south america. should they have been sent somewhere else? >> we're working with other countries, chile, brazil, other countries in south america and the region. these are haitian nationals. some of them don't have documents from the countries from which they just left. they are subject■ç to removal. they are subject to title 42 expulsion and we work with the countries that receive them. in haiti specifically, we've contributed about $5.5 million to ensure there's safe and humane resettlement there. >> some of these folks hadn't been there in over five years. >> that is indeed the case, and

they're haitian nationals and they're subject to removal to a country that is able to receive them. >> let me ask you about title 42. the vice president did something that i had never seen before with a cabinet member. they put out essentially a readout of a call she had with you. it seemed to say -- the implication was that■ç it was a dressing down of sorts. how did you respond to her about the performance of border patrol? >> so the performance of border patrol ask r is the subject of an investigation and the facts of that investigation will be determinative. i think theth images

suggested. theyp such a dark past that we have not■ç entirel put behind us. >> did president biden go so far saying those folks were going to pay? are they guilty before an investigation? >> absolutely not. the investigation is independent. we know how to conduct an independent investigation. i think the president echoed the sentiments of the public in terms of what those images suggest. >> there are some in this town who think cbp is a rogue agency. >> i■ç couldn't disagree more vehemently. i'm proud of the members of the cbp. what those images suggest does not reflect who cbp is, who we are as a department nor who we are as a country. >> the border patrol unit says

using horseback, that is a training that they get. are they right? >> the horse patrol serves an incredibly importa%t function. horses can traverse terrain that might not otherwise be covered. in fact, horses are often used to, not only assess a situation, but to actually help people in distress. cbp personnel have saved many lives on horseback. >> so those images you think are something -- do you think those images misconstrued their actions? you think it's going to turn out their actions are on the up and up. >> the facts will be induced in the investigation. the invesdiçgation will determie the facts. it's an independent one. in fact, i directed that the leadership of office direct the investigation to ensure its both integrity and quality. >> you, i know, are getting heat from members of congress from both sides of the aisle.

congressman henry cuellar who is a democrat representing the border down there. here is what he ■çsaid. >> president obama and secretary jeh johnson they treated the migrants with respect and dignity, but at the same time they followed the law. if they're not supposed to be here, then, with all due respect, you've got to sent them back. >> you were a deputy in that administration, too. so you've been at this. what is the same and what is different compared to the surges you dealt in dhs in '14 and 1r5 versus today? >>his is not knew. remember in the summer of 2014 we had a great number of unaccompanied children arrive here. there were people that called on us to do more than we did, people that called for us to do things differently than we did, getting hit from both sides in the matter of immigration is no surprise. we're in the epicenter of the country's divide regrettably.

we do what the law requires, what our humanitarian mission requires. >> but do we have enough resources down there to deal with the surge■ç currently happening? we thought it was seasonal. turns out it's not seasonal this year. >> we have an incredible ability to deploy resources to meet the challenges that we face and we evidenced that quite powerfully in del rio, texas. in less than a week we addressed a population of 15,000 there, and now there are none. >> do you accept the idea we have a crisis at the border? >> i am focused on mission, chuck, and the challenges that we face and our aé%qe■ to meet those challenges. i'm incredibly i'm "meet the press"ed with the men and whim who do so. >> do you think we have the ability to meet those challenges right now or does the law have to be changed. >> we meet the challenges but working in a completely broken system. sfaskt, there's unanimity in the country and in washington. i've never heard anyone say that

the laws in immigration are well structured. >> if we get more haitian migrants, is the only solution going to be that they'll■ç like be deported back to haiti? >> no. as you mentioned as the very outset, chuck, there are a number of those expelled under the title 42 authority, the public health authority. there are others placed in immigration court proceedings and have the ability to make their claims to an immigration judge. >> are you at all concerned this will serve as a magnet for more mike grants to come? >> i don't think that's the case at all. in fact, 8,000 haitians returned to mexico over the past week. >> do you think that's■ç becaus we're sending people back to haiti? >> i can't speak for them. i do think they made that journey which we admonished them not to make, to not put their lives and their funds in the hands of smugglers who exploit them. >> secretary mayokas, appreciate you coming on and sharing the administration's perspective. >> thank you, chuck.

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welcome back. yes eve been learning more about the backstory to the january 6th insurrection and all the events around it. the biden white house is considering handing over information about what president trump was doing while the capitol was being ransacked. the house committee investigating january 6th issued subpoenas to doái■ trump allies including last chief of staff mark meadows and on again, off again political adviser steve bannon, asking them to hand over records and appear for depositions. in the new book "peril," we learned a lawyer working for president trump wrote a member outlining a way for vice president pence to invalidate the results of the election and hand the presidency back to

president trump. bob woodward and robert costa join■ç me now. bob, i want to start with a big picture question which is, did you guys chronicle an aborted coup? >> there were attempts. of course, the core of trump's argument is the election was stolen and what we found in our work is two of the biggest trump allies, lindsey graham and senator lee from utah, this is■ the core of trump's support in the senate, investigated these claims and discovered that there was absolutely nothing there, and what you see trump and his lawyers doing these kind of legal somersaults, that just hold no water with trump's

allies. you can't convince■ç lindsey graham and mike lee that the election was stolen or that there was some fraud means what we found, a weakness in the case, not just a weakness but zero evidence. >> robert, there were so many near misses here. it want to look at this excerpt you have between a conversation between trz and vice president pence. he says, if these people say you have the power, wouldn't you want to do it, trump asks of pence. i■ç wouldn't want any one moder to have that authority. pence said, look, i've read this and i don't see a way to do it. it feels as if -- if we weren't sure the role mike pence played, but was he the lone bulwark here? >> the story of january 6th is not just that day. it's the days before, all the movement afoot in the oval

office. john eastman,■ç the author of t memo you cited. in that meeting which was the ultimate temptation of power, a president and vice president the next day, january 5th, vice president pence spent four years trying to do the bidding politically for president trump. he said he didn't have the constitutional ability to act. this was the brink of a constitutional crisis on the eve of an insurrection. >> mike lee indicated support for this pathway. do you think■hthe vice presiden would have changed his mind? how important is that? >> it was critical, as bob said, for senator graham, senator lee and other conservatives, even former vice president dan quayle saying you can't do anything here, vice president pence, except count the votes. there's so many historical counterfactuals, what could have happened if pence went in a different direction and just walked away. >> bob, the roles of lindsey graham and mark meadows here,

times it looked like they were enabling president ■çtrump's wishes on this election. at times they seem to want to steer him away from this. is that the case? how would you characterize their roles? >> there's a lot of ambivalence here, but we quote conversations between senator graham and trump in which lindsey graham said to trump, you f'd up your presidency at one point, just a couple months ago. trump hung up on him and■ç call him back a day later and lindsey graham said, i would have hung up, too. the core conclusion that graham has is you lost a close now we have trump out c calling senator graham they folded. i mean, that -- trump is

attacking them because they found the truth. and the truth is this was not a stolen election. >> not even close. >> wasn't even close, but we felt an obligation to look at that, and that's how we found these memos that were written. giuliani wrote all these memos to lindsey graham saying all these kinds of fraudulent votes. kids voted dead people voted. and then they looked at this it's not there >> debunked. debunked you've covered president trump since the beginning of that sort of staircase, robert does he -- do you think he really believes he won or do you think he really believes -- because i feel like the truth sort of showed up in one of the quotes in the book when he said if i don't keep fighting, i'll lose my base. he thinks his political base is because he fights the establishment, not because of any policy acts? >> i've learned covering

president trump and covering politics, it doesn't matter what people think it's what they do. to assume nothing -- a lot of people in 2015 said trump won't run. he'll never win. well, he won and lost in 2020. he wants power back. our reporting in the book shows the rallies don't get a ton of coverage he's out there with this language we'll never surrender. we'll never give in. whips up thousands of people across the country the most important thing is he's influencing the republican party across the country to now run for office, to be secretaries of state, to be election officials. 2022 -- >> he's bending the party to his will >> certainly bob, question i have for you, since we noted here the puns were necessary all the president's men. you put both books into one in this one trumpian e versus nixonian

>> trump, what is the presidency about for the average voter out there? and it is evaporating, because trump is staking everything on this stolen election claim, and even we were able to get information about the then cia director, someone who has been very silent. an expert on instability, unstable regimes and she concluded in november that this -- what is this? a right wing coup that president trump is like a child, a six-year-old having a temper tantrum? >> does this go beyond nixonian. to be trumpian is worse? >> well, we were in a dangerous national security moment which we document, and national -- if things had gone crazy with china or russia or iran, all of who we

discovered these countries were on alert, and that's -- the edge of war and miscommunication and pretty frightening time. >> as bob and i have talked about. when nixon gets on the helicopter in '74, he goes to california and stays there not the same dynamic with trump. >> there's a reason you have an aptly named book called "peril". thank you both when we come back, progressive democrats versus the moderates democrats versus the moderates and the only thing at your mission: stand up to moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. and take. it. on... with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some, rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system attacks your joints. rinvoq regulates it to help stop the attack.

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cook political report." nbc news capitol hill correspondent leigh ann caldwell, eddie glaude jr. and meghan mccain columnist for the daily mail. great to have a mccain back. >> thank you. >> leigh ann, this is your turf. i'm sure you caught the number. cory booker said whether it's $3 trillion or 2.5 -- the number iç moving, what's going to happen this week? >> the number is moving. the reason it's moving is they know they can't get $3.5 trillion. that has been made clear. but there's problems with the number, too. that is that people like senator joe manchin who have said they won't support $3.5 trillion also won't give a specific number, so speaker pelosi is trying to negotiate legislation with the moderates, with the progressives and with people like senator joe manchin in the senate■ç who aret specific on what they want. so it's a rubik's cube.

it's a venn diagram and every sort of crazy mathematical thing they're trying to fit together. it's extremely complicated. my sources say they don't know how it's going to play out. >> the pa that ream theory in here. cory booker didn't say i don't - situation where he doesn't trust. >> before we came on, we were chatting about this. we were reminded of the number of times the house feels like they're hung out to dry. they pass something, whether it's climate, back in the '90s, the btu tax, only to have -- >> this has happened to house republicans. >> that's true. it happened with the health care bill. they took the big vote and watched the senate go. to me where we are■ç is so much driven by that phrase that mike

tyson once had. everybody has a plan until you get punched in the mouth. the plan back in the spring was, by this point we would be free from covid, the economy would be roaring back, and, of course, the momentum that that would bring to this legislative process. democrats would come together. this would be not as big of a lift as it is right now. now what we have is a president who is desperate for his party■ to give him momentum, right? he's not bringing it to the table. >> meghan, i want you to play a reporter here for us, because you may have the best sense of kyrsten sinema. i know you have a good personal relationship. that's the frustration democrats have. they don't know what joe manchin wants. they don't know what his bottom line is or what her bottom line is. >> politically in arizona that's why people like here. anecdotally, conservatives in my life really like her because she's holding the line for conservatives in■ç a lot of way. the question i always have is for people like joe manchin, if

it's not him, it's going to be a republican. so this distaste and outward hostility towards moderates in the democratic party surprises me. i also was shocked by seeing senator booker talking about openly this distrust between progressives and moderates, how the democratic party ultimately threads the needle i don't know. i will say president biden ran on being a moderate, as you said. he ran and won with the help ofç independents, centrists, trump-wary republicans. he's not governing as one. the build back better agenda is the most progressive modern agenda of all time, up to $5 trillion and not polling well. i'm confused on doubling down on something cratering in the polls right now. >> eddie, i'm curious, should president biden be leaning harder? are you surprised they're not leaning harder?■ç >> absolutely. president biden understood he was in a moment where he needed to be a transformative president.

it feels, chuck, we're in political groundhog day. we just experienced the pandemic, we're still in it. 700,000 americans are dead. the pandemic revealed -- it was like a blue dye into the social and political body of the united states. it revealed all sorts of troubles across every aspect of our society, and■ç our response bears a striking resemblance to the very logic that informed how we've governed pour the last 40 years. i understand this is a political show. we have to talk about the politics of it all. >> we're stuck. >> but, damn, you know? it seems we're talking about a figure, a number, 3.5. america is in trouble. what are politicians doing, but haggling over -- it seems the i revealed itself to bankrupt.

>> senator sinema, i have reporting that says out of this big reconciliation bill, the thing that is most important to her is climate change, and why that -- so if things get scaled back, she wants climate change proposals to be includeed. that gets back to the zen diagram because that's just what okay. it's all going to be paid for. >> to me that's the other big challenge. as you pointed out with senator booker, there's a lot of discussion about the price tag, not a lot of discussion about the policy and how democrats allowed this entire debate to be driven by -- is it 3.5, 2.5, whatever. rather than what's the policy, what's the name of this bill? we keep calling it ■ç reconciliation, the trillion dollar -- >> even obamacare. it was about health care.

>> when senator booker said you take the individual pieces, people like it. okay. but that's not what you're talking about right now. >> ultimately, until covid is resolved, i think the politics for the president is going to be difficult. the covid confusion doesn't help them. >> at all. >> i still don't know if i'm supposed to get a■ç booster or not. the only thing i would piggyback, amy, on what you're saying, americans may not understand this bill entirely, they understand inflation, what happened in afghanistan. they understand gas prices are going up. they understand christmas toys will be more expensive for their kids. that will be a deal breaker. i believe your cook report showed virginia now as to-up state. >> covid, covid. the reason your■ç christmas presents will be more expensive, supply chain. >> supply chain. every 43 seconds, an american

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we are back. the arizona audit shows, meghan -- >> he lost by more. >> president trump■ç hasn't tak it very well. last night he seemed to go

republicans. >> raffensperger. raffensperger. i think there's something wrong with him. your rhino governor, brian kemp, who has been a complete disaster on election integrity. governor dues see was horrible. he was missing in action. we didn't get any help from mitch mcconnell. >> mitch mcconnell, brian■ç kem brian doos si -- >> i don't know how to talk about this because it is conspiratorial insanity from the bowels of the internet. there's a segment of the republican party that believe it. i know people who think the election was stolen. it's a huge challenge for the party going forward. as mitch mcconnell recently said, i believe he called president trump a horse that is out to pasture and should stay there or a thoroughbred that should stay there. if you■ç look at polling, president trump doesn't have the stranglehold on the party that he once did. i think it's college educated

women -- >> i kind of agree you're right, except the party, eddie, the party leaders act as if trump has all of this power. >> absolutely. >> she's not wrong. there's polling indicating -- please go away, but afraid to say it publicly. >> in some ways, governor desantis, his popularity has to do in certain ways. i think you're absolutely right. the base of the party is in lockstep with trump. what i heard in trump's remarks last night in georgia was, if we don't win, somebody stole it. if the results aren't consistent with the way i think they should be, then someone stole it. we heard it from elder. seems like it's going to be a strategy across the republican party. >> leigh ann, there's not a republican, other than adam kin sirnger and liz cheney,■ç that feels comfortable going after him publicly, right? >> that's absolutely right. the base of the party -- even though trump is not the same

factor he was when he was president, the base of the party is still beholding to him and are rabid about him. republicans especially in the house know that. they're afraid of primaries, afraid of being on the end ends of trumbullying because they know that will hurt them in their gerrymandered districts where they'll win a general ■ç election. it's the primaries that matter, and that's what they're worried about. >> to me this has been the danger all along for republicans. just don't anger him, apiece him a little bit, it will go away. it will get better. >> has apiecing worked if. >> it's not working. i don't like that it's been called an audit. that puts an air of legitimacy to it. it was not legitimate. the legitimate■ç forces, the people whose job is to say these elections were fair, have ruled. that should be the end of it. i don't think the point is to

say, we want to take every election we lose and say we won. the point is to undermine the integrity of the entire process. once that's gone, i don't want to be the alarmist, but it is very dangerous. >> that brings me to this robert kagan column in the "washington post."■ç the republican party is a zombie party, going through the motions of governing in pursuit of traditional republican goals. the party's main, if not sole purpose is the enable trump's return to power. >> nothing galvanizes right now than seeing what happens in afghanistan, seeing this giant spending package. the thing that can unite me witç the biggest maga person in the world is the build back better progressive agenda. i think it's unkugt to say you

would be okay having anything to do with president trump, there are people who will vote for anything except what's happening right now. i think of president trump as godzilla under the water and the' quell could come. there are people that will put up a very good fight against him. he's not the king maker he once was as■ç we've seen in primarie across the country. >> the fascinating part about what you just said, it's the feature of the argument that kagan is making. there's a desire to own the libs, to define oneself over and against those folk that you do not want to govern. so you're willing to make a certain kind of choice, a kind of faustian bargain that unleashed this person into our body politic. what's fascinating, i think it's a bit■ç alarmist. i disagree with the way he tries to disenableal the republican party from trumpism, but he's on

to something. this is calling into question the very foundation. if the people do not trust the process, we can't -- >> we have nothing. >> what are close elections going to look like in november? >> that's the thing. it's not about the past election anymore. they're still talking about the past election, but■ç trying to delegitimize future elections. >> i think that's the concern we all have. i used to love a close election. now i fear the impact of what unpacking that would be. thank you all. before we go, i want to let you know we're kicking off our third season of "meet the press" reports where we deep dive i understand one subject oochs. you can see new episodes on thursday at 9:00 p.m. eastern and on peacock. today you can see all eight episodes of season■ç two from 20 to 6:00 p.m. on nbc news now today. we'll be back next week. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

oh, my god, it's on its side >> all of a sudden it was like this extremely violent force i'm a big guy and it picked me up and threw me from my chair into the wall. >> a deadly amtrak derailment in an extremely remote area of montana. helicopters were needed to get the injured to hospitals our jake ward has the latest a vaccine shedowdown in new york could force the governor to declare a state of emergency the biden administration has released