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competitive race. you're no longer safe. >> my guests this morning, white house chief of staff ron klain, governor phil murphy of ] and senator rick scott of florida. plus, the house finally passes the big bipartisan infrastructure bill. >> the motion is adopted. >> president biden gets a much-needed victory, even as democrats delay a vote on the larger social safety net bill. >> i don't think it's an exaggeration to suggest we took a monumental step forward as a nation. also, my interview with new zealand's prime minister on china, america's place in the world and climate change. >> it's not enough to say we'll wait until everyone else does their bit. i've heard that argument. we have to all do our nours, least we all end up on a steep race to the bottom. joining me, peter baker, former drk congresswoman donna edwards, pbs "newshour's" amna

nawaz, and sara fagen. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. so what happened to democrats on tuesday goes far beyond the defeat of terry mcauliffe in virginia or governor murphy's narrow escape in new jersey. it was a warning the democrats that their congressional majority are in grave danger. terry mcauliffe fell a net 12.5 points off mr. biden's 2020 victory in that state. even in victory, governor phil murphy's net loss in new jersey compared to what biden got in 2020 was roughly 13 points. kind of familiar. so what happened? was the standoff between progressives and moderates partly to blame? probably. did president biden misread his mandate? many democrats think he did.

was the public's sense that the country was on the wrong track a factor? clearly. that said on friday mr. biden followed up the democratic drubbing with one of the best days he's had in office yet, strong october employment report with over a half million jobs added in a month, best showing since july, and the house passage, finally, of the long-delayed trillion dollar bipartisan infrastructure bill which, of course, is one of the pillars of the president's agenda. still as democrats pick through the rubble of tuesday's election, republicans are partying like it's 2009. remember that year. it was one year before they ended up flipping 63 democratic house seats. >> all the talk about the elections and what do they mean. they want us to deliver. >> after a devastating loss for democrats in virginia. >> all righty, virginia, we won this thing! >> and a surprising nail-biter in new jersey, democrats are sounding alarm bells, worried a

toxic national environment could cost them control of congress and midterm elections next year. >> if you're a democrat and president biden won your seat by 16 points, you in a competitive race. >> late friday night after two failed attempts to bring it to the floor, the house finally passed the trillion dollar bipartisan infrastructure bill, 228-206. >> the motion is adopted. >> with six democrats voting against it and 13 republicans bucking their party leadership to put the bill over the line. >> finally, infrastructure week. >> most house progressives supported the measure which they had been holding up hoping to extract more spending on a larger social safety net and climate change bill, after a pledge from moderates they'd hold a vote on the bill by november 15th provided it doesn't add one cent to the deficit. >> we're going to trust each other because the democratic party is together on this. >> the whole day is a cluster [ bleep ], right? beyond that, i thought everyone was working in a very congenial

way. >> i feel confident we'll have enough votes to pass the build back better plan. >> what gives you that confidence? >> me. >> president biden made personal phone calls to both progressives and moderates on friday. >> do you think terry mcauliffe would have won if your agenda had passed before election day? >> well, i think we should have -- it should have passed before election day, but i'm not sure that i would be able to have changed the number of very. >> kevin: folks who turned out in red districts who were trump voters, but maybe. >> -- >> there's no way you can say a 12-point swing in a state is due to congress not passing a bill. >> meanwhile some democrats are urging the party to scale back the size and scope of the spending agenda. >> this is not a center or center left country. we're, if anything, a center

right country. >> you can't win in virginia virginia if you only appeal to very liberal blame the economy and inflation. in exit polls 53% disapprove of president biden's agenda. can they seize on the culture war issues which compelled glen young ken's campaign. >> he tufd a nerve. >> will republicans borrow youngkin's approach, supporting donald trump while staying personally at a distance. >> we stayed away from being negative and divisive and we brought people together. >> joining me is the president's chief of staff, ron klain. mr. klain, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> thanks for having me, chuck. >> the bipartisan infrastructure package passed the senate on august 10th and now passed the house on november 5th. obviously a lot happened between that time period. how important, frankly, were tuesday's elections to you

creating the urgency among democrats to get this done on friday night? >> well, look, i do think the voters sent a message on tuesday they wanted to see more action in washington, they wanted to see things move more quickly. three days later congress responded passing the president's infrastructure bill. but a lot of past few months. i don't think the election alone put it over the line. what put it over the line was president biden starting back in april putting it before the country, working with democrats and republicans in the senate to get it through the senate in august, working with a broad coalition in the house to finally pass it. chuck, this is the oldest show on television, as you know. as long as people have been on the air, people have come on the show and said we should make a massive investment in infrastructure to grow the economy. we finally did it on friday. that's the bottom line for us i think. >> i have to say this, ron -- i've got to ask you, is it easier to pass a bipartisan bill

right now than a democrats-only bill? watching what's happened, it does seem to be the case. >> i think we'll get both these bills done. i don't know why republicans won't vote for cutting child care costs in half or letting medicare negotiate the price of drugs down to save seniors' money and vote for preschool for everyone. i wish that were bipartisan as well. we got the infrastructure bill passed. we'll get the build back better act passed in the house when congress comes back after the veterans day break. we're making progress on this agenda. >> the question i think a lot of people have this morning, at least that follow this build back better part of negotiations very closely is it does seem the things that were added to the house version, paid family leave, which a week ago the president said was out, is back in. medicare negotiating prescription drugs pricing, last week the president said it was out. the house put it back in. the modifications to state and

local taxes. it was out. now it's back in. immigration, that's something for the parliamentarian. but it was out, now it's back in. all of those things were out because it didn't seem to have senate support, and there's no indication that senators manchin or sinema are all on board everything like this. are house progressives prepared for this to get scaled right back again? >> chuck, i disagree with some of that. immigration was in the framework the president put out before he left for europe, and the medicare prescription drug provision, something we needed to work the final details out. senator sinema has been a real leader in trying to get us to the finish line along with senator klobuchar, senator schumer, others on all sides of the party. it took a little longer to get that across the finish line. i think this bill will pass the house when the pass comes back. i'm sure the senate will make changes. that's the way the legislative process works. we're going to get a very strong version of this bill, through the house, through the senate,

to the president's desk and into law. again, it's because the american people need help with basic expenses. this bill cuts the cost of child care in half, in half, for middle class families. that's one of the main pain points in their budget. i think this bill is gaining momentum. we're going to get to work for the american people. >> i want to ask about one thing that came up in the climate summit t. united states was notably absent from signing on to a pledge to phase out coal. we joined india and china among countries that did not sign that pledge. there's been some reporting -- it's one of those source, not on-the-record sources, that indicated senator manchin was certainly in the heads of u.s. negotiators when that decision not to sign on on eliminating coal was made. is that the case? is joe manchin's vote for build back better a part of the decision in not signing on to

coal, getting rid of coal? >> no, look -- look, we're in a transition year to get us to a clean energy future. what is in our minds is the build back better plan has the largest investment in american history to get us to a cleaner economy, create millions of jobs moving forward, moving to sustainable renewable energy. not just creating jobs here, but building technology to ship around the world. we're making the progress. the president had a very effective time in glasgow meeting with world leaders making sure they knew the u.s. is back. look, president biden was in glasgow. the presidents of russia and china were not. we are going to lead the world in tackling climate change. we're going to pass the bill and have the tools to do it. >> i want to ask you about the political fallout from tuesday. i want to show you the last national poll we had last sunday.

the voter's feelings about president biden and former president trump. they're much closer to being aligned. the voters still find the former president very unpopular, 38-50. this president sitting at 48% positive, 50% negative. why do you think that is? what's been the cause of the president's decline in your opinion? >> in my opinion, it's been a rough and tough year. president biden said this all along, we're in a year-long effort to dig out of the holes. inherited a debt economy, 50,000 jobs a month. we're now back to 500,000 jobs a month. we inherited a country where 4,000 people a day were dying from covid. that's down 75%. i understand voters are tired, americans are tired of how long it's taken to get the economy moving, to get covid under control. i feel the fraus registration personally myself. i think everyone does.

i think that frustration wears on people. i think what the american people are going to see is we have put in place the strategies, the actions to turn that around. they are in a show-me, don't-tell-me mode. i think we'll show them in the weeks ahead we've made this progress on covid, on the economy. we have passed the infrastructure bill. we can start to get going on implementing that. i think that will pay off results. >> i want to ask about another exit poll result in virginia. about voters' perceptions of the two parties. 51% thought the democratic party was too liberal than thought the republican party was too. >> kevin: at 46%. do you fear there's a perception problem about the democratic party among independent and right-of-center voters, that the party looks like it's too progressive? >> i don't think so, chuck. part of that reflects who turned out in virginia tuesday night. that's its own problem and

issue. i do want to push back a little bit. we lost on tuesday in virginia. it was painful. terry mcauliffe is an old friend of mine. so sad to see him lose, lose the virginia legislature. we did get governor murphy, the first democrat in 44 years to get re-elected in new jersey. we held on to the mayorship in new york, eric adams. we lost there in 2009 the last time we had a new democratic president. the first woman, first person of color elected mayor of boston. shontel brown elected to the u.s. house in ohio. we have to learn from that, do better from that. i think we had wins on tuesday. we can take pride in that, too. >> i want to ask you about the court ruling yesterday on the vaccine -- on the vaccine protocols osha is putting out, sort of the soft mandate. i don't want to call it a hard

mandate because of the testing option. there's a freeze. federal government's efforts? do you stop preparing for january 4th in the moment? how does this work? >> i think what it means for the time being is the effectiveness of that vaccine requirement is frozen. i think it will certainly be well litigated, though, well before january 3rd. i'm not sure it has much practical effect in the short run. look, these vaccine requirements have been litigated up and down the courts all over the country. state requirements, for example, one in maine. in every single court before this one ruled they were valid. the supreme court has turned back several times already various efforts to enjoin other vaccine requirements. i'm quite confident that when this finally gets fully adjudicated, not just a temporary order, the validity of this requirement will be upheld. it's common sense, chuck. if osha can tell people to wear a hard hat on the job, be

careful around chemicals, it can put in place these simple measures to keep our workers safe. >> find out if the workers agree. ron klain, thank you for coming on. joining me is democratic governor phil murphy whose expected easy re-election win turned into a bit of a squeaker. governor murphy, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> good to be back. thanks for having me. >> let me ask you this, on one hand, you made history, first democratic to win re-election. i'm sure you were surprised that it was as close as it was. what lesson do you take away from this squeaker? >> listen, i'm happy to have made history. i got more votes this time than last time, so that's all for the good. a couple of reactions. thank god we put the programs in place we put in place, the

actions we took, whether it's expanding pre-k, raising the minimum wage, investing in all-time record levels in infrastructure. i think, had we not, we might have been swept away as well. secondly, chuck, it's quite clear there's a lot of hurt out there, and there are a lot of kitchen tables that we need to connect more deeply with and help folks get through this period whether they lost a loved one, a job, a small business, they're frustrated by the ongoing pandemic or economic recovery, whatever it may be. i like what we're doing. that's quite clear. without it, we might have been swept away. we want to reach more deeply into more families in our state. >> do you agree with the state party chair, leroy jones who said this to "the new york times" on thursday, the paralysis in washington has worked its way here in new jersey. the dysfunction has caused people to take pause. do you agree?

>> i think to a certain extent leroy has put his finger on one of the factors. it's remarkable, the debate in washington feels -- although this infrastructure bill on friday, by the way, is a game-changer. we're the most densely populated state in america. so it's a particular game-changer for new jersey. on the whole build back a better debate, it feels very abstract. new jersey is doing it, expanding pre-k, expanding child care, funding public education, making housing more affordable, college more affordable, health care more affordable. you look at that debate in washington and folks feel like, well, i wonder if this would work. i'm screaming out, listen, look at new jersey. it is working. we're doing this stuff and we know it works. >> i want to ask you about a comment you made in 2019 that got uttered over and over again in tv ads. let me play it. >> if you're a one-issue voter, and tax rate is your issue,

either a family or a business, if that's the only basis upon which you're going to make a decision, we're probably not your state. >> governor, i've been covering new jersey elections since the early '90s. i have to tell you, tax has been one issue for aa lot of voters in new jersey and led to a lot of republican victories in new jersey. do you regret that comment? >> first of all, it didn't lead to a republican victory this year importantly. now, that's taken out of context, chuck. we view ourselves, and there's a lot of data to support this, as the number one state in america to raise a family. we have the number one public education system in america. one of the top health systems in america, a quality of life that is in many respects second to none, and affordability is very much a part of that. we inherited a mess four years ago. i promise every single day we've been fighting to make this state

more affordable and making it every day the number one state in america to raise a family. i commit to folks we'll continue to do that. >> there also appears to be a bit of a -- maybe an ideological issue. south jersey, we saw it with the party switch of juk man drew, and i believe it's the same as the state senate seat. do you think progressive politics is not playing as well in south jersey as it might in north jersey? >> a couple of things. first of all, i'm very proud that the entire new jersey delegation on both sides of the aisle voted for the infrastructure on friday. i think that's a real testament to our ability to come together. secondly, shocked that my friend and partner, steve sweeney, has lost a race. i think it is a combination of where we started in this conversation a couple minutes ago, chuck. we've got to get to more kitchen tables.

i don't think raising the minimum wage, expanding pre-k, making college health care more affordable, all-time high investments in infrastructure. i don't think that's a progressive, non-progressive agenda. i think that's directed at making families' lives better, quality of life better. we've got to clearly connect more deeply to more kitchen tables in the state, that's for sure. >> mandate fatigue. everybody has it. you know it. i think people who abide by the rules have it. considering that that seemed to be a little motivator for some, are you at all thinking about some relief on any of your mandates? >> listen, there's mandate fatigue everywhere, including with yours truly. let there be no doubt about that. at the moment, no. but my hope is particularly with our kids under the age of 12 now being able to get the vaccine, that we will some ask mandate w.

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>> let me ask you something that stuck out to me. as unpopular as joe biden was in virginia, donald trump was actually more unpopular. both glenn youngkin and jack to trump. they didn't attack him or denounce him, but they didn't embrace him and hug him and sending a message a bit to independent voters. is that the better formula? is that the formula you're looking for from republican candidates in battleground states in 2022? >> first, i hope democrats continue to be obsessed with donald trump. i think terry mcauliffe would probably run his campaign differently, wouldn't focus his whole campaign on donald trump. i think what we have to do is we have to say we would love donald trump's endorsement, if you're a republican and want his endorsement, but you're going to run on the issues f. you listen to ron klein and phil murphy, they didn't get it. americans are fed up with inflation, kids being

indoctrinated in their schools and fed up with defunding the police. those are the issues people care about. i think donald trump is going to be good for republicans next year. >> you're okay -- one of the things you said was, you were hoping he wouldn't get involved in senate primaries. you didn't get involved in open senate primaries and wanted the former senate to do the same. he's not taking your advice. does that affect your ability to recruit candidates that can win? >> absolutely not. i believe republicans ought to let the voters decide. in pry primary in 2010, i won because i focused on the issue. i think you'd be foolish not to want and accept donald trump's endorsement, but you're going to win not because somebody endorses you, but because you win because you're making sure inflation gets stopped, that people get a job, making sure your kids aren't indoctrinated on critical race theory.

those are the issues people care about. >> you said you're going to support all incumbents. i'm curious, does that include lisa murkowski where the form are president endorsed a challenger. does that mean you'll financially support lisa murkowski and help run a campaign against a primary opponent? >> absolutely. we support the next republican senatorial committee, all of our incumbents. fortunate for us we have great candidates running in our primaries, and fortunately for us we have bernie sanders candidates on the other side in many primaries. we'll be in a great position in 2022. >> let me ask you this: if you win the majority in the senate, is there something that a republican senate majority is going to want to work with president biden on? or are we looking at two years of gridlock? >> well, i always say when we win in '22. look, i want to work with democrats, but here is what i

want to do. i want to create the best economy we could ever have. we had a great economy under president trump i want to make sure kids get a great education. i want to fund the police, fund our military. now, if the democrats want to continue to bankrupt our country, continue to raise the debt ceiling, continue to raise taxes, i'm going to fight that. i came to washington to fight that stuff. i cut taxes and fees 100 times as governor. i paid off a third of the estate date. i had record funding for education, transportation, the environment. i'm not going to go and i hope republicans don't go down this path of wasting money. eventually it costs somebody money. >> do you think it was a mistake for republicans to support the bipartisan infrastructure bill? >> well, everybody gets to make their own choice. here is the way i look at it. i like infrastructure. to me that's roads, bridges, airports and sea ports. i spent $85 billion on it my years as governor. guess what? i cut taxes and paid off a third

of the state debt. that bill, remember how they promised it would be paid for? it wasn't. less than half of it -- that's roads, bridges, airports and sea ports. we should do things and be honest what it is. let's do real infrastructure and quit saying we're not going to raise your taxes eventually because we have these deficits. chuck we have almost $30 trillion worth of debt. we have to hope to god our interest rates never go up because it will never be paid for. by the way, there's no conversation about how -- we've got to fix med kaer, fix social security to make sure the funding of these programs can continue to last. the democrats in d.c. and republicans continue to waste your money. i'll oppose it all the way along. >> i have to ask you something about our last poll, it's the issue of do you believe joe biden was elected legitimately. 93% of democrats believe that,

71% of independents, but only 22% of republicans believe joe biden was elected legitimately. why is that? >> i can tell you joe biden is the president. we went through the constitutional process, that he was elected. i think there was a lot of buyer's remorse, people are scared to death of the unbelievable inflation, gas price up 50%, food prices up, housing prices up, the botched withdrawal from afghanistan, all these things -- >> i understand what you're saying. then you're part of the 22% that believe he was legitimately elected. why do four in five republicans not believe that? >> i think you'd have to ask them. i think joe biden is elected president. what we've got to do right now is figure out how to start helping these families. >> senator, i think we both know the reason why that is. let me put up something the former president put out on

october 31st, this is like three weeks ago. he said the insurrection took place on november 3rd, election day. january 6th was the protest. is there any part of that statement that you agree with? >> first, chuck, democrats are focused on donald trump. americans are focused on the future. so you can go ask all these questions about why people think the way they do. we're going to win in '22 because we're going to talk about issues, not talk about the last election. >> you don't think it's a mistake to denounce what the former president is saying as a lie? it's not healthy. you won three elections by less than 1%. you won three elections, by the way, but less of a raw vote than the state of pennsylvania where you voted to object. every one of your democratic opponents conceded. why hasn't former president trump conceded? >> i think you'd have to ask

president trump. first off, let's put it in perspective. my opponent in '18 did not concede until we went through two recounts and there were illegally found ballots after election nights. let's not act like these people, oh, gosh, you won. we have plenty of democrats chuck, chuck, chuck. wait a second. we have plenty of democrats that don't concede. that's what happened. here is what happened. we have a duly elected president. the constitution was followed. i hope democrats keep focusing all their time on donald trump. republicans are going to focus on the issues and we're going to win big in '22. that's exactly what i plan on doing. >> you're not at all concerned that former president trump is helping to create a false narrative that there's something wrong with our elections? >> i'm focused on how do we win in '22, and i know exactly how to win. do what i did in my three races, focus on issues. by the way, if anybody wants to help make sure we go chuck

schumer is no longer the majority leader and take us down this ridiculous socialist path. >> speaking of majority leader, are you 100% supportive of mitch mcconnell as majority leader if you win the senate? >> absolutely. i've known mitch mcconnell since the early '90s. i actually lived in kentucky and supported him then. i have a good working relationship with mitch mcconnell we have elections generally every two years for the majority leader. >> senator rick scott, republican from florida and the man charged with helping republicans get control of the senate in 2022. appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective with us, sir. >> see you, chuck. >> thank you. when we come back, how bad is the political landscape for democrats? it's even tougher than you might think. the panel is next. with a lot of moving parts.

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correspondent amna nawaz, white house chief correspondent peter baker and former democratic congresswoman donna edwards. we're going to start a conversation here. rural white voters, last year president trump won virginia's rural voters 52/46. not a good showing for virginia by a republican. on tuesday, glenn youngkin won rural voters by 27 points. i call that a huge increase. rural voters increased their percentage of the electorate by three percentage points. so from 16% of the electorate in '20 to nearly one in five voters in virginia were from rural virginia. it gave youngkin too big of a lead for mcauliffe to overcome no matter how well he did in suburban and urban areas. donna, i don't know if there's enough votes in rural maryland to overcome this to give

democrats a problem, but clearly there was in virginia, and there almost was in new jersey. it's a problem. >> it is. one of the challeng is we're not going to win rural voters. you have to contest for them. one of the things youngkin did that was very effective, he went into democratic strongholds. he didn't have to win, just enough. >> chip away. >> as democrats, we have to think about how it is we contest for some of those voters, pull them into our corner. i think it's possible to do that, but one, two, three% in this area is going to make a difference in the election. >> i think it's much more simple than that. congresswoman abigail spanberger said it best. she said we didn't elect him to be fdr, we elected him to stop the chaos and be normal. that's not how joe biden is governing. that's why democrats lost in

virginia, why we saw lots of republican victories across the country in local election, school board elections, is the privilege movement in the democratic party is driving the debate, driving the intellectual issues on the table. moderate democrats, joe biden, is allowing it to happen. >> amna, here is the math. if you're losing 36% of all voters by a 76-24 margin -- this is right now for the democrats -- it means they have to win 65% of allover voters. that's how bad the issue is. someone said what's bottom. someone said the bottom is zero and they weren't being facetious. >> the rural concern for democrats isn't new either. >> it just got back. >> heidi heitcamp and joe donnell created a pact specifically to appeal to rural voters. if you look just at virginia, yes, youngkin was able to drive up the rural vote, got even bigger margins than 2020 on the

rural end white voters. also flipped a couple of those suburbs, chester county outside of richmond, stafford county outside d.c. democrats weren't able to -- even though they increased turnout, they weren't able to keep pace with the gop increase and turnout. that's a trifecta for republicans, a triple whammy for democrats. this education issue we keep talking about, not how well kids read or write or how well they do in chemistry, it's about race. that turned out a lot of parents in virginia who have long been frustrated for the past 18 months. >> peter, tuesday's elections were all on democratic terms, whether it's cities or the two states that are light blue and dark blue or so we thought, on those things. and whenever there was a choice from seattle to buffalo, a progressive and non-progressive,

but still left of center, voters even in the city picked left of center. >> they did. that was true in new york city and a lot of other districts and places in long island. i think what it says, in fact, i ice possible to over read a single election. because donald trump lost doesn't mean republicans lost their traction. republicans have done well in the last 13 months. they won house seats last year even as donald trump was losing. virginia voters and other voters showed they're being to vote for republicans, just not trump. youngkin not only outpaced trump in the state, but across the board, throughout almost every city and county, he got better, more votes than trump did last year even though it was an off-year election. >> i think in not overreading an election, you have to look at a combination of factors, the campaign that was run.

you can't ignore the candidate and the campaign. you can't ignore that the national context had a lot to do with this election. i don't think we can point to one or the other, but democrats do have to be willing to do some self-examination and recalibrate in 2022. >> if you think about the issues, terry mcauliffe focused way too much on donald trump. he was also focused on abortion, on climate change, these big partisan issues while glenn youngkin was talking about lowering your grocery taxes in a time of inflation, of education, crime. >> how many times did phil murphy say kitchen table? >> he got the memo. >> he got the memo. >> that's how democrats won 2018. nancy pelosi will tell you the reason they won the midterms is not talking about donald trump, although he was the context, but by talking about health care and issues that matter to the voters. >> i'll get to the trump stuff,

but let's talk about what happened on friday quickly. i'm trying to figure out -- they spent months saying we're never decoupling the bills. they decoupled the bill. i have no idea what's going to happen to build back better. >> we see it in eight days. >> or eight weeks or three months. >> here is what progressives say. i spoke with congresswoman jayapal yesterday, she said six democrats, the moderates made a commitment in paper to me personally and to the president, this trust deficit they've been talking about, they're now talking to each other, the progressives and six moderates in particular. she has every confidence this is going to move forward. the bigger issue they have which is messaging, what is in this thing. i think most people don't even know how it impacts them. majority of americans don't know what's in it. >> last thursday something wasn't in it and now they're in

it. >> you'll see cabinet members out, transportation and interior -- >> selling what's already passed? >> selling what's already passed, yes. they need to take credit. this is the victory lap. >> they're going to sell what's in build back better. i'm confident it's going to make it across the finish line. >> what's going to be in it? >> look, we know pre kindergarten is going to be in there, we know tax credit is going to be in there. there are things we know will be in there when it finally passes. i think the challenge for democrats is let's stop talking about the number. nobody knows the difference when they don't have -- they have $500 in their bank account, they don't understand what a trillion dollars is. the number -- it's going to be paid for and benefit individual americans and their own families. >> when you have $500 in your bank account u what you see is a tax increase and you don't have money to pay for it. >> there's not going to be a tax increase -- >> there will be eventually.

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but i think in virginia, glenn youngkin did a really good job of managing donald trump which is to say, i appreciate his endorsement, i welcome his endorsement, i'm honored by his endorsement. but i'm my own man and running on my ideas. i'm not talking about the past. i'm talking about the future. i think another lesson for republicans here, to the degree that any national committee can control these things, which is increasingly harder in american politics is that candidates with sunny dispositions who are behaviorally moderate, even if they're quite. >> kevin: on issues, that matters oorps. it was very difficult for terry mcauliffe to paint glenn youngkin as a trumpkin. he didn't speak like donald trump and use the same language. >> lb e when connie mack first elected to florida, to the right, he was a. >> kevin: with a smile.

that mattered a lot. donna, trump as a weapon for democrats, it did work in one spot, northern virginia, but -- >> the lesson is you've got to be careful where you use it. there are going to be races all across the country and trump is not going to be willing to be as quiet as he was presuably in virginia and some of these other states and congressional districts. i think that is going to make it more difficult for republicans to run against donald trump. >> joe biden seems to fire up the republican base right now better than donald trump fires up the democratic base. >> he does, right? >> a mirror image of 2017. >> one is he's the incumbent. donald trump is still a very active player, hasn't given up. not like he went into retirement lie obama or bush. he wants to run again. of course he's going to be an issue. biden has proven to be a more polarizing figure than anybody would imagine. >> he won the primary because he

wasn't polarizing. >> which may say less about him than us right now. he's turned out to generate a lot of anti pathy. >> part of that is there's a dishonesty about joe biden's candidacy. this is where democrats fail to get it. he ran as a centrist and he's governing as a very, very progressive person. for a lot of individuals, especially the rural voters, they look at that and say i'm going to vote for republicans at a higher rate because i don't like the dishonesty about it. >> i don't think that's true at all. if you look back at the way joe biden ran his campaign, the messages that he talked about, the program he talked about, are all the things he's governing on. those are the things. so it demonstrates to me that people actually care about progressive issues. we need to make sure that we're characterizing him in the right kind of way so americans take that in. >> -- how much was mandate

fatigue a part of this? >> mandate fatigue, covid fatigue. covid and the economy are two biggest issues for virginia voters and nationwide. that's why you see the biden administration moving more aggressively to roll out more mandates, get millions more americans vaccinated. i interviewed the secretary of labor. there's a drink link. they want more shots in arms because it's more directly related to the economy. one of the things sara was saying, one of the things youngkin offered was a path to calibrate the closeness to donald trump for future republican candidates, people who don't like him personally or like him politically, that's how you run that campaign. for democrats ahead, the message is you can't just rely on an anti-trump message. when you look ahead to 2022, house up for grabs, senate up for grabs, 36 governorships. democrats in those states won by smaller margins than they won virginia.

that's going to be a problem for them. >> if larry hogan and doug ducey get enticed into these races, they would be huge candidates in their states unless donald trump decides to make them pay. >> it's not clear that even if donald trump decided to make them pay, particularly in a state like maryland. >> a republican primary with republican voters. >> larry hogan is one of the most popular governors in america, including still today. >> i agree. >> i'm not certain he couldn't win a republican primary even if donald trump was aggressively campaigning against him. >> well, maybe we'll find out. i think there are other races in 2024 that mr. mowing gan might be interested in. >> as we go, another reminder, tickets on sale at "meet the press" film festival at afi fest, tickets at fest.afi.com. i'll see you out there myself. that's it for today. we'll be back next week. because if it's sunday, it's

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