there is what russia says and there's what russia does. >> ukrainians push the russians away from kyiv and the north. but forces are headed to ukraine east. >> it's clear the russians want to reprioritize their operations in the donbas area. >> real questions now about what vladamir putin is being told. >> we believe putin is being misinformed by his advisers about how badly the russian military is performing. >> my guest this morning,

secretary of state antony blinken and masha gessen of the new yorker. plus hillary clinton. >> to do what putin decided to do says someone has a stake in trying to stop it. >> i'll talk about putin, the war, and the democrats' midterm headwind. plus the cc is wanting to end the immigration fight. >> every day it's harder to fight public health. and donald trump asked putin for information on president biden's son hunter. >> i would think he would know the answer to that. >> why is the former president again asking for help against a man waging war. amy walter, editor in chief of

the "politico" report. leigh ann caldwell and republican strategist brad todd, and cornell belcher. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." good sunday morning. have we reached a turning point in in war? russia's announcement that it was pulling its forces from kyiv increasingly looks more like an act of necessity than actual diplomacy. ukraine has pushed russian troops away from the capitol city and other areas of the north as well. it's unlikely the russians are suddenly scaling back its kyiv offensive as a matter of goodwill. and more likely they're having to reposition and resupply, focusing on the east where they've had more success. notably ukraine attack helicopters managed to fly 20 miles inside russian territory and hit a russian oil depot,

then return to ukraine. a true embarrassment for russia. they're finding not only the burned-out tanks of russians. the russians have mined homes and equipment and even booby-trapped those dead bodies. the question now is what does the next phase of this war look like? hopes of a lightning quick victory have clearly failed. are we in for a long and bloody war in the eastern part of the country? i'm going to talk to secretary of state antony blinken in a moment. we're going to start first with richard engle who is in kharkiv. big success in and around kyiv for the russians. where do we go from here? >> reporter: massive success from a territory perspective. a push from the entire region

around kyiv. but as russian troops pull back, and as you said, they're saying this was a withdrawal in order to allow diplomacy in order to have more success, they were pushed back, and it allowed ukranian troops to go in. but what they saw was evidence of atrocities. there were bodies on the street, many of them with their hands tied behind their backs, mass graves, it appears, according to witnesses, the president's office, the mayor's office, that some of them were shot at front range execution style. these are consistent with victims' accounts we've been hearing in other battle locations where there are these -- seem to be accounts of rape, looting and executions. >> richard, is the ukranian military capable of going on offense and pushing the russians out of the east as well?

>> reporter: they went on the offense successfully in the north, and they are already on the offense here in the east. every night for the last several nights here in kharkiv, we've been hearing nonstop artillery fire coming out of this city going into russian positions in the nearby towns. they've already taken one town on the edge of kharkiv and they plan to take more. they want to go on the offensive now before russia is able to reposition its troops, to bring some of that extra fire power down from kyiv. and they also are motivated because they saw what russia has been doing in places where it has been occupying ukranian towns and villages and they don't want it to happen to their own homes. there is a big difference. these people are fighting to defend their families and their own villages. >> the scenes we're seeing in and around kyiv, we can only imagine that and what we've already heard from mariupol as

well. richard engle in kharkiv, the city out east, richard, thank you. joining me now is secretary of state antony blinken. mr. secretary, welcome back to "meet the press." >> good morning, chuck. >> let me start with the news of the russians pulling back from kyiv. focus appears now on the east where they've had a bit more military success. are we in a new phase of this war? >> we may be. i think this is evidence that russia's original plans to take over the whole country, including kyiv, have been dealt a devastating setback. they're regrouping, they may be focusing on the east. let's keep in mind they still have ability to wreak massive death and destruction, especially in places like kyiv, with air power and missiles. at the same time they may be regrouping, they may be recalibrating. we're focusing on what they're doing, not what they're saying. if it's a refocus on the east, there is still a tremendous amount that will be ahead of us.

as president biden said recently, this could go on for some time, and the question is how much death and destruction wreaks in the meantime. >> are we going to help ukraine reinforce the central and western part of the country, reinforce kyiv so essentially the russians don't even think about coming back? >> chuck, we're doing that every single day. just over the course of this administration, we provided more than$2.3 billion in security systems. in the last month alone, $1.6 billion. the very thing that set back this russian onslaught. we've already seen a strategic setback and defeat for russia. they had three goals going into this. to subjugate russia, to preserve power and on all fronts it's

failed. a sovereign independent ukraine will be there a lot longer than vladamir putin is on the scene. russian power has managed to diminish the military. it's greatly underperformed, its economy is reeling and the u.s. is more united than in recent memory. >> you have just described a situation, and richard engel was telling me, hey, we've got putin in as weak of a spot than we've had him in a long time. this is not the time to negotiate a way for him to get out of this. nobody wants to see more war. at the same time, nobody -- i don't think a lot of people, including the president of the united states, wants to see putin remain in power after this. so can we really end this with giving putin some sort of gain in the donbas? >> chuck, how this war ends is up to two things. it's up to the ukranian people

and their elected representatives, including president zelenskyy. we'll support whatever they want to do in terms of how this war comes to an end. as to mr. putin's future, that's up to the russian people. >> but do you acknowledge he's in a weak moment? if we let him lie and he wreaks havoc again, are we going to regret not taking advantage of this moment? >> again, it's up to the ukrainians in terms of what's going on in ukraine, and russia in terms of what's going on in russia. here's the thing. even though he's set back, even though i believe this is a strategic defeat for vladamir putin, the images are on our tvs and social media every single day and they're terrible. there is a strong desire to bring those to an end. >> i want to ask about a potential zelenskyy-putin face to face in turkey.

how realistic is that? and president zelenskyy, does he have the ability to negotiate sanctions relief with putin? >> so how realistic it is? very hard to say. the ukrainians have sought a direct engagement with president putin and president zelenskyy. president putin has rejected that repeatedly. we'll see if he goes forward with anything. again, our focus is on making sure we strengthen ukraine's hand at the negotiating table, including a potential meeting between president zelenskyy and president putin. that's exactly what we've been doing. we've been supporting ukraine, we've been imposing extraordinary pressure on russia. all of that goes to strengthening ukraine's hand when it comes to any negotiations with russia. >> again, i want to go back to, can zelenskyy negotiate sanctions relief at all here or not? >> the entire international community that's come together to impose the sanctions on russia will be looking to see

what ukraine is doing and what it wants to do. if it concludes that it can bring this war to an end, stop the death and destruction and continue to assert its independence and its sovereignty, and ultimately that requires the lifting of sanctions, of course. the purpose of the sanctions, chuck, is not to be there indefinitely, it's to change russia's conduct. and as a result of negotiations, the sanctions, the pressure, the support for ukraine, we achieve just that, then at some point the sanctions will go away. but that is profoundly up to russia and what it does going forward. >> the restrengthening of the ruble, and i understand there is some market manipulation there to do that, but there is clearly signs that the ruble is strengthened. there are plenty of european countries that continue to pay russia for oil and gas. is there more that could be done to tighten -- to tighten the sanctions again, because it looks like he's found some ways

around them. >> chuck, first, virtually all of the forecasts show russia's economy contracting by 10%. second, when it comes to the ruble, it's more than a little manipulation, it's a lot of manipulation. that's not sustainable. i think you'll see that change. we see the most extraordinary exodus of virtually every leading business from around the world leaving russia. everything from mcdonald's to toyota. and that's having not just an immediate impact, but a long-term impact. then the export controls we've imposed on russia, the technology it needs to modernize industry after industry. having said that, to your point, we're working every single day with partners and allies around the world to make sure we're tightening the sanctions, closing any loopholes, adding new ones. >> if this is going to drag out

another six months, can ukraine's military hold up? can the european alliance hold up? can putin survive economically? >> chuck, when it comes to the fundamentals, which is to say putin's objective in subjugating ukraine of its goodwill, including sovereignty, time is certainly not on russia's side. the real question, though, is, again, what happens in the meantime? if this goes on, how much death, how much destruction is there? that is terrible. so we have a strong interest, the ukrainians have a strong interest in ending that. we're all working toward that. the way to do that is to give ukraine the strongest possible hand, to put as much pressure as we possibly can on russia, while we're strengthening our own defenses. that's exactly what we've been

doing. >> secretary blinken, thank you for coming on. our next guest masha gessen has written extensively about russia and the rise of vladamir putin, so if anybody can read putin's mind, it may be masha gessen. masha, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you. good to be here, chuck. >> i want to start with the intelligence the u.s. released earlier this week indicating that vladamir putin was not getting the truth from his advisers. and while that portion of the intel seemed believable, what's not believable is that a former kgb agent would somehow be in the dark unless they've chosen to be in the dark. what do you make of these reports? >> well, vladamir putin was never an extraordinary kgb agent, and he has been a tyrant for longer than he was a kgb agent. dictators do tend to become isolated, and they become

isolated not because they choose to become isolated, although i think that has happened with putin as well, but because their aides are afraid to be messengers of bad news. this is clearly what's happening with putin. it's not news, it's been happening for a long time, and it's been exacerbated because of his isolation during covid. but, chuck, i agree with you that at this point, if putin is not seeing the footage from bucha, from the outskirts of kyiv where retreating russian troops have left the bodies of civilians with their hands tied behind their backs littering the streets where they have left mass graves of civilians with their hands tied behind their backs, anybody who doesn't see that footage is choosing not to see it. >> i want to ask you about negotiating with putin, and if president zelenskyy called you

up and asked you for some advice, what would you say? before you answer that question, i want to play for you what former ukranian president poroshenko said earlier this week. >> please, don't trust putin. i'm the president who had negotiations with putin for five years. he never keeps his word. point number two, don't be afraid of putin. and point number three, ukraine, never give up and the totalitarian part of ukraine cannot be part of any compromise. >> first, good advice, and what would you add? >> excellent advice. what i would add is actually not advice, it's an observation. petro poroshenko, the last president of ukraine and before volodymyr zelenskyy was in a

country that was polarized before the war and where people had vastly different positions in whether they supported one another. what you see is a country that is actually united in a true people's war, what you see the former president say is exactly what the current president would say and is the advice he should be following. >> what should we make of the reports of the polling that came out, i'm sure you saw in the last couple of days, that indicated putin's approval rating has actually gone up, that after what appeared to be some consternation about what he was doing, there is a rally around him in effect taking place, and i'm curious, is this because those that are educated are bailing the country and leaving, and essentially those that are left, ala what happened in venezuela, your cubas in the world and those that are left have to support him because they have no other choice? >> russia at this point is a totalitarian society.

that is a society where the regime survives by terror. it is meaningless and irresponsible to be conducting opinion polling, and especially to be reporting on opinion polling in that country. the question, do you support the war should really contain a second part which is, do you support the war or would you like to go to prison for 15 years for not supporting the war, right? i want to say something important about totalitarian societies. it's not that people are hiding what they're actually thinking. it's that in conditions of terror, people can't even form their own opinions. >> after putin, first of all, do you have optimism that this -- you know, the history, particularly even in russia, the history of overreaching has led to the eventual demise of that leader that overreached? do you foresee that, and if so,

what could happen post putin? >> at this point, when we talk about this apparent military failure bringing about the end of putin's regime, we're engaging in magical thinking. but even more than that, i think this is the kind of self-reassuring thinking that gets us away from thinking about what the united states and the rest of the western world hasn't done to prevent the kind of crimes against humanity that we have seen evidence of in the last 24 hours. the united states has not supported closing the skies over ukraine. the united states has not provided major military assistance that ukraine has asked for, and western europe, and to some extent the united states, has not severed its dependence on russian energy resources, which is the lifeblood of the regime.

>> so what you're essentially saying is until all that happens, let's not fantasize about the end of putin? >> i think i'm saying let's not fantasize about the end of putin and also let's pay attention to the west's responsibility to ukrainians who are dying right now instead of fantasizing about what's going to happen in russia after it's over. >> masha gessen, again, somebody who literally wrote the book on putin, if you haven't read it, it's definitely worth a read. masha gessen, i appreciate you coming on and sharing your opinion with us. >> thank you, chuck. >> thank you, chuck. coming up, i'm going what if you were a global bank who wanted to supercharge your audit system? so you tap ibm to un-silo your data. and start crunching a year's worth of transactions against thousands of compliance controls with the help of ai. now you're making smarter decisions faster. operating costs are lower. and everyone from your auditors to your bankers

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in 2013, putin repeatedly attacked her in very personal terms. that animosity may have played a role in russia's efforts to help donald trump in his 2016 campaign against clinton. perhaps she feared he would have a much tougher policy against him. hillary clinton, welcome back to "meet the press." >> good morning, chuck. good to be with you. >> i know you listen to the last guest, masha gessen. i want to pick up on her point there being, when we attack putin, it seems we've come up a bit short. we've drawn a line not as far as others would like to draw, whether -- you made points of this about syria, perhaps we should have drawn a thicker line on what happened in crimea. why is that and are you concerned we're maybe holding back now a little too much? >> well, no.

now i think we are really looking at this with our eyes wide open and seeing very clearly the threat that he poses, not just to ukraine, as we can watch every night on our news, but really, to europe, to democracy and the global stability that we thought we were building in the last 20 years. so, chuck, i really agree with both -- with what secretary blinken said, that we've got to continue to keep the pressure on putin and the russian troops. we cannot in any way pause our efforts to support the ukrainians, and i agree with masha, that we have to double down. there is more that can be done to increase pressure and stress, additional sanctions, more in the way of lethal aid, and now that there has been a pushback thanks to the brave ukranian

military offensive action, there is time to resupply the ukrainians so that they can continue to defend their country. >> you heard secretary blinken essentially say, look, sanctions relief could happen. that all depends on the behavior of russia. can we really live in a world where putin is let back into the new world order? >> well, that's not what i heard him say. what i heard him say is that, really, we are going to support the ukrainians, the people and the government of ukraine as they try to figure out what, for them, is the best way forward. that, i think, is exactly the right position for the united states, europe and the west and other countries to take. your second part of that question, though, is a really important one. i would not allow russia back in to the organizations that it has been a part of. i think there is an upcoming

g-20 to not let russia attend, and if they insist on literally showing up, i would hope there would be a significant, if not total, boycott. the only way that we're going to end the bloodshed and the terror that we're seeing unleashed in ukraine and protect europe and democracy is to do everything we can to impose even greater costs on putin. there are more banks that can be sanctioned and taken out of the so-called s.w.i.f.t. relationship. there is an increasing call for doing more on gas and oil. now, obviously some of our strongest allies in europe are desperately trying to get out from under their dependence upon russian energy. we need to expedite, and i know the administration has been doing that, looking at more

deliveries of liquefied natural gas, for instance. so i think now is the time to double down on the pressure, and i agree completely with masha. let's not fantasize about what comes next in russia. let's focus on what we're doing right now to help protect and defend the ukranian people's right to be a free democratic nation and protect their sovereignty. >> let me talk about the energy and gas front a minute here. one of the easiest ways, perhaps, to relieve some of the pressure on -- look, it's not just this country that's experiencing rising energy prices. it's all of europe, it's really a lot of the world. if a country that we provide an extraordinary amount of defensive weaponry to, an extraordinary amount of support to, and i'm speaking of saudi arabia who could essentially turn the dial tomorrow if they wanted to. we know this with opec nations. should there be this

relationship going forward? >> i'm disappointed by that decision because i think it's a very short-term one that is not in anybody's interests, including theirs. so i would certainly do whatever i could that was available to me to try to be more persuasive, if you will, and there are consequences. >> carrot or stick? >> i think you have to do carrot and stick, chuck. we're in an existential crisis right now, and the only positive that comes out of this horrific, unjustified, unprovoked assault on ukraine with the war crimes that are being committed on a daily basis by putin's military is that the world is now, i think, awake. some are more awake than others, but everybody has to pay attention. the real challenge on the energy front is to do everything we can to help europe wean itself off.

when i was secretary of state, i started something called the useu energy council. i had a hard sell with our european friends. i kept saying, look what russia has already done, because at that point they had already used energy as a blunt force for power over ukraine and eastern europe. they cut off gas supplies to force ukraine and others to do their bidding. i made the case then, and now i'm delighted that everybody is back focused on this, because the more we can get europe to understand it has to lead the way -- now, there are other problems. we've got other big countries, china, india, for example, who are buying russian energy, who are also trying to figure out which side to end up on this. this is the slow but important work of diplomacy which

secretary blinken and others in the administration are pursuing, but i think we need to be putting more sanctions more quickly on more things to up the ante on russia and to try to bring more countries to the side of seeing that it's in their interest to support that. >> i want to turn to domestic politics here. the democratic party is in an interesting moment that to me looks quite similar to a moment back in 1989 and 1990, you're familiar with, where the democrats are having what does the party stand for? how far left, how far to the center? you and your husband were in one side of that conversation. do you see some similarities to that period of democratic hand wringing in the early '90s? >> well, i don't know. i do think pandering -- hand

wringing of the democrats is something that goes on. i'm not sure what the disconnect is between this congress and the understanding of what's been done and the impact it will have on the american public and the polling and the ongoing hand wringing. i always thought the best politics is doing the best job you can do, and there are a lot that democrats can talk about in the upcoming midterms. i'm aware that midterms are always difficult for the party in power, but we've got to start there and do a better job of telling it, and for those who say it hasn't gone far enough, that's always the chorus in democratic party politics. but i would add that in

republican party politics, you have an even greater disconnect. unfortunately, most of that party has now gone to the extreme and are saying and doing things that have no basis in reality. so we've got a good case to make if we get our focus in the right place. >> i'm curious, do you think -- a lot of speculation is that this trouble for president biden politically started with the chaotic withdrawal in afghanistan. do you buy that? >> i don't think it helped. i think that is obviously the case. i think that the performance with respect to ukraine has been excellent, and one of the smartest things that has been done is releasing classified intelligence to prevent the false flag kind of operations that putin was counting on. and also let's remember putin

has been quite effective in impacting public opinion, particularly in the last decade or so, both in the united states and in europe. and this was largely stymied by releasing that intelligence. i think a lot of lessons have been learned, but there is a lot of good accomplishments to be putting up on the board, and the democrats in office and out need to be doing a better job of making the case. and, frankly, standing up to the other side with their craziness and their calls for impunity and nuttiness that we hear coming from them, i don't think the average american, frankly, wants to be governed by people who live in a totally different reality. >> former secretary of state hillary clinton, really appreciate you coming on, sharing your perspective with us. it was good to hear from you. >> thanks. when we come back, immigration at the southern border has been a big political

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leigh ann caldwell, cornell belcher, brad todd and amy walter, publisher of the "politico" report. the cdc rule, leigh ann, essentially said anyone who went across the border was sent back immediately due to covid, due to parameters. we don't have a plan in order to lift it now. how thorny is is this going to get? >> extremely thorny, and that is an understatement. people who are running for reelection, especially this will be difficult for them. you have senator mark kelly in arizona, carlene cortez in nevada, and they said, you did

this without a plan. i have been pushing the administration to have a plan for immigration before this is rescinded, and they didn't do that. and i was told that this could be a very huge problem for democrats. and some democrats are trying to spin it and saying, well, look, here is one thing that is good. these democrats can try to differentiate themselves from the president and show they are trying to do what's best for their states, and that is the only positive. >> you can pull a muscle with that spin. amy walter, i want to put up -- she brought up mark kelly, and i had another senator in here, maggie hasson. maggie hasson, ending title 42 will lead to a migrant surge. and ending title 42 would be massive. >> this is much about the issue of competency, preparedness.

you know, you and i -- well, everyone around this table, we watch a lot of campaign ads. i've been watching a lot of republican primary ads, and it seems like immigration is in every one of those ads. so i went back and asked the folks who cover this, but more so than ever. at this point, this is early march, more than 30% of all republican primary ads mention the border or immigration. at this point in 2018, it was 12%. it is an issue that's not just animating -- right now it's animating the republican base, but it becomes more about is the administration prepared to deal with the problems that go on their plate, and it just seems so often with the administration thus far it is much more about wish casting than it is preparation. wish casting about inflation, right, it's going to be transitory. wish casting that we're going to get manchin, we're going to get sinema, they'll come around

eventually. this immigration isn't going to solve itself. the border isn't going to solve itself. >> brad, we were talking about this literally i think an hour before the news came out. i have talked to some officials who said, hey, it's may 23rd. a new variant may come, and don't be surprised if may 23rd is not the real deadline. >> well, they use it to keep the numbers down. that's why it's done. two democratic members of congress stood up to me on this. one is denny hoyer. he is on the left and he is encouraging the administration to keep title 42. the smart democrats are figuring out they have to win in 2022. >> cornell, do you buy that? >> let's get to immigration

here, right? there is a reason why it's in a republican ad, right? we've seen this play before, right? this is a part of that more fuel for driving the tribalism that republicans see as part of their political calculus is how they drive this. research is fairly clear on this. this saturation has been driven by republicans and they're feeding this. i remember when a guy named barack obama thought he had an immigration deal with the party of eight. but it was not having a deal for reform that included a pathway. by the way, most americans think you should pay a penalty and there should be a pathway. and that's not going to happen. do you know why it's not going to happen in because republicans in congress don't want it to happen. >> you know what's interesting, leigh ann, i had someone very smart say to me, you can take that now, but you won't get as

many democrats. >> the policy has completely changed on immigration and the gang of eight bill will not pass. that's why senator cornyn, senator durbin has been talking about immigration for many, many months. it is going absolutely nowhere. the problem is, yes, immigration is a republican base thing, but once there's these images of the border being chaotic and people being hurt or killed in the desert because they were trying to be trafficked or the cartels were bringing them, that starts to impact the independent voters, and it starts to -- so, as you mentioned, a lot of discord. >> this summer we may have twice the flow we had last summer. >> we have job openings. no, no, this is the thing. there is real incentives besides concern about their own personal safety. >> yes, we should -- as opposed to sending the haitians back, how about putting them to work

in these jobs that americans don't want right now? that's not going to happen because it's a tribal fear what's happening in this country. >> amy, i was reminded yesterday that daca recipients are in their mid-30s now. >> right. these are things we know could be fixed but it's too good of a wedge issue to fix it. i'm going to pause this discussion. before we go to break, we look at the explosive growth of crypto and whether it becomes currency. nbc news is showing reports on what it is, how it works, and whether crypto is a bubble ready to burst. >> the cryptocurrency scene is brewing. they fill our screens. >> it's way too late to try to ban bitcoin. everyone who says bitcoin should be banned is revealing they don't understand exactly what

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president trump is off twitter and facebook. for the past couple weeks, he urged them to turn over.

jackson disrespected the republican senator, and last night apparently called for going back to afghanistan, which is becoming popular. it leads to this question. i'm going to start with you, amy, which is this. does the general public know what trump is doing, and should they? this is a reminder, any time you censor, even for the right reasons, do you get the unintend unintended consequence? >> if you look at the democrats and how engaged they are, much less than 2020. i hear in focus groups, and i'm sure you hear this as well, after trump left office, as soon as joe biden was sworn in, they turned off their television. they don't need to be on alert

with their device and watching the news all the time. he's not there anymore. democrats want him to be there because he is the best motivational operation. he is their get out the vote operation. the more he's in front of us, the more people see him, the more they can make the case that this election is not a referendum on biden but is a choice between a trumplike congress and the alternative. but he's just not -- he just is not -- while he'd like to be, he is not in the front of the minds, even of people who don't like him. >> and you know, i guess you could argue, this is the best of both worlds for the republican. he's not in their face every day and they don't feel the discomfort and they don't have to cringe at the trump thing and he just ignore it. if it was more in the mainstream, would elected republicans be having a trump

problem? >> donald trump's main problem was the testosterone booster. we turn to them when they think other republicans aren't being confrontational with democrats. that's not happening right now. they are opposed to the administration on idealogical grounds so it's not in turmoil. when it's not in turmoil, they don't need an agitator. i think the fact he's not spending all of his time posting up against the administration. if he were doing that, he would be seen as more relevant to the republican base. because he talks a lot about 2020, that's not where the base is focused right now. they're focused on 2022. >> would biden's numbers be 20% higher if he were on twitter? >> it's funny you say that, and one of the things i pick up in focus groups among democrats is trump has set us up. he was in your face every day all day. you always knew what was going on in washington.

hillary said there is a disconnect between what the administration has been accomplishing and what american people know. to that point, they've turned it off. trump has, i think, reset the game for politics in that you will suffer if you are not dominating social media. you will suffer if you are not constantly taking your message to the people 24 hours a day. it is sad, but i think he has broken the system in a way that if you don't follow in that path of constantly being on twitter, constantly being on social media, you're failing, and i think that's sad for politics. >> leigh ann, do republicans take comfort in the fact that he's not -- >> yeah. so a republican told me yesterday that they described the latest trump statements as white noise. they don't even really know what they are anymore. so they're not really paying attention, and this past week

was a return of having to, for the first time in a very long time, having to ask a republican what they thought about trump because of the putin stuff. we have not had to do that on capitol hill for a year and a half. >> two quick things, though. you say that, but if he runs he's going to be the nominee. but also -- >> i don't think he would run. >> why would he run? >> it's work. >> generate money, publicity, that's what he's for. >> it's work. >> fair. the other thing is that trump is a quintessential threat to our democracy, and whether you're a democrat or republican, it was right for them to pull back. i don't want to play politics with it, because he was a threat. >> it was dead level proof of how bad this administration's political situation is that the number one thing they could hope for is another president from another administration coming back. they can't talk about the situation or how they're going to solve it, and that tells you why this is going to be 2006

again. >> amy, i think the most fascinating thing about our poll, they don't have biden's remorse. they've disaggregated trump from the gop -- >> more easily than democrats would like to see it. >> yep. >> and people voted against donald trump more than they voted for biden, and that has been the problem for democrats all along. they've been the party of who we aren't rather than the party of who we are. >> trump can't solve our problems. we've got to do a better job of branding. >> we'll stop it right there. that's all we have today. thank you for watching. we'll be back next week, because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

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