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gore on "the inconvenient truth" about global warming and what needs to be done now. >> plus, 187 minutes. the january 6th committee on how president trump did not quell violence at the capitol. >> president trump did not fail to act in the 187 minutes in telling the mob to go home. he chose not to act. >> even as secret service agents scramble to get vice president pence out of danger. >> if we're moving, we need to move now. >> and testimony that mr. trump took care to stay on the side of the mob. >> the president did not want to include any sort of mention of peace in that tweet. >> i'll talk to committee member luria about where the investigation goes next. also the economy. >> we're taking our own steps that we believe will be supportive in the short-term to get inflation down. >> whether we should expect a recession.

joining me are yeah mees alisyn door, jake herman, maria kumar and stephen hayes. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. and if you are waking up to another hot, sweaty day, you are not alone. over the past 7 days, there have been 359 daily high temperature records set across this country. and across the atlantic, europe is burning up as well. more than 1,700 people died in portugal and spain alone in this current heat wave that they're experiencing. in his 2006 documentary, former vice president al gore warned that we were going to experience rising temperatures, melting

glaciers, trying lakes, more wild fires and stronger storms over the next 20 or 30 years. guess what? in the 16 years since that film debuted, we have seen rising temperatures, melting glaciers, drying lakes, more wild fires and, yes, stronger storms. we have experienced a lot of that in the last ten days alone. despite all the evident staring us in the face like the hot sun, the united states remains a reluctant soldier in the fight against global warming. it is already opposed by all 50 senate republicans. in his documentary way back in 2006, mr. gore said this. >> are we, as americans, capable of doing great things even though they are difficult. are we capable of rising above

ourselves and above history? well, the record indicates that we do have that capacity. >> and joining me now is al gore. mr. vice president, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you very much, chuck. thank you for inviting me. >> this week felt like your powerpoint from "inconvenient truth" come to life, some of the headlines, the colorado river having to do water rations, the mononarc butterfly declared an endangered species, wild fires in france and greece, the rio grande is running dry in new mexico. it's here. how much do you look back at what you warned and suddenly you see it come to life? >> well, i wish the scientists had been wrong in their predictions going back decades now, chuck. all i have done is convey the scientific facts as the scientists have patiently

explained them to me. it is due to get much, much worse and quickly. but we have the ability to stop temperatures from going up. if we got to true net zero, the temperatures on earth would stop going up with a lag time as little as 3 to 5 years, almost as if we flipped a switch. if we stayed at true yet zero, half of the human cause, the= emissions would fall out of the atmosphere in as little as 25 to 30 years. we have the solutions available. we need to deploy them quickly. >> let's talk about political will. it is not just in this country. china and india are emerging powers relying on fossil fuels. europe is backsliding with a decision on methane. the united states can't be a global leader here, who will? >> well, the united states must step up and provide leadership.

and, of course, president biden has been trying to do that, and he has a 50/50 senate, really a 49/51 senate on everything related to the climate and a razor thin majority in the house. you know, abraham lincoln once said that with public sentiment everything is possible, without it, nothing can succeed. the rest of us need to step up. the one thing that senator manchin said that i really agree with is that if we want more pro-climate policies, we need to elect more pro-climate senators and representatives in both parties. and we've got an election coming up. and this is time for all of us to step up. you know, the climate deniers are really in some ways similar to all of those, almost 400 law enforcement officers in uvalde, texas who were waiting outside

an unlocked door while the children were being massacred. they heard the screams. they heard the gunshots and nobody has stepped forward. and god bless those families that suffered so much. and law enforcement officials tell us that's not typical of what law enforcement usually does. and confronted with this global emergency, what we're doing with our inaction in failing to walk-through the door and stop it is not typical of what we are capable of as human beings. we do have the solutions. and these extreme events getting steadily worse and more severe are beginning to change lines. we have to have unity as a nation to come together and stop making this a political football. it shouldn't be a partisan issue. >> you know, it is interesting. public sentiment on climate is

certainly growing more urgent. and you have made notice that rank and file republicans are growing more concerned about the climate. but, you know, public opinion is on one side on abortion. it is on one side on guns. it is on one side on climate. you see it hasn't mattered to some of the decisions that are made on politics. how do you breakthrough this? >> well, you are exactly right. and public sentiment is changing, but our democracy is broken and in order to save the climate crisis, we are going to have to pay attention to the democracy crisis. the same reason it is seemingly impossible for the congress to pass legislation banning these weapons of war, these assault rifles that are being used to murder children in classrooms and create hundreds of mass casualty events already this year and that's getting worse,

the same reason we can't pass for for example to reinstate the ban on assault weapons is the same reason that we can't pass climate legislation. we have the minority government. we have the filibuster still that should be eliminated with big money playing much too large a role in our politics. lobbyists for the fossil fuel industry, and they're still running all of these advertisements trying to convince people that it's not that bad or they've got this. don't worry about it. we have got to rise to this challenge, chuck. you know, what you see behind me is a picture from the space station showing how thin the atmosphere is and you could drive to the top of that blue line, drive straight up in the air at interstate highway speeds. you'd get to the top of that line in about five minutes, and below you would be all of the

greenhouse gas pollution. we're using that as an open sewer. and the accumulated amount now traps as much heat as what's being released by 600,000 hiroshima atomic bombs. we have the solutions. renewable energy is now cheaper in almost the entire world than electricity from fossil fuels. those utilities here in the u.s. that have doubled down on gas are seeing their rates go up while those who were picking solar and wind, their rates are going down. >> look, solar appears to have kept texas from being brown-outs because they expanded their solar on the grid. but let me ask you this. what should president biden do now? besides advocates for more pro-climate solutions, is there anything you can do on the executive aspect around things

around congress right now? >> well, i welcome his announcement this week to jump start the offshore wind industry in the u.s., and he's taken quit a number of other important actions and he's reversed some of the terrible policies of his predecessor. but he needs congressional action in order to take the bold steps that are really needed. there are many other things that he can do. he can stop approving any more fossil fuel development on federal land or developments. the international energy agency says that we should not have any new oil and gas fields developed if we want to see the survival of human civilization in anything resembling its current form. >> and, yet, inflation and the price of gas. you were an elected official. you know that -- you know the burden of that, that hangs on

these politicians, you know. short-term, long-term, you see the pressure president biden is under. >> yeah. and as the secretary general of the united nations said as long as we need our addiction to fossil fuels, we will place leaders in these untenable positions until all the choices are bad. we can't confuse the short-term with the long-term chuck. getting through this crisis with russia's invasion is one thing. getting passed the election with gasoline prices, you know, they're already coming down, that's one thing. but investing in more fossil fuel infrastructure that will guarantee emissions increasing for decades into the future, that's a horrible mistake that, at this point, we simply cannot afford to make that mistake. >> you talked about the broken democracy in your -- your concession speech from 2000 was

invoked at the hearing. i want to play a clip of that and what was said about it. >> let there be no doubt, while i strongly disagree with the court's decision, i accept it. and tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, i offer my concession. >> his speech is actually a pretty good model, i think, for any candidate for any office up to and including the president and from any party. >> vice president pence has been called a hero by some for what he did on january 6th. what say you? >> well, in the current environment, just doing what the law and the constitution requires seems heroic to some. i'm glad he made that decision. you know, he was a freshman congressman sitting in the chamber when i counted the electoral votes in early january

of 2001. i think that those who have tried to continue promoting doubt and suspicious about the efficacy of our democracy are really performing in an anti-american way. and that committee, by the way, i want to congratulation benny thompson and liz cheney and every member of that committee. they are performing a historic service to our nation. >> i'm not going to let you go without asking you this. australia election was a climate change election. and you talked about in order to get that political will. tried to run a climate campaign and it didn't get off the ground. why not you, al gore? >> why not me? >> leading a presidential campaign in the future. >> oh, well, thank you for

making the suggestion. i'm a recovering politician and the longer i go without a relapse, the less likely one becomes. >> but the idea of climate change and making it the issue, would you like to see more presidential candidates do that? >> absolutely. polling sentiment is changing very dramatically, but we need more grass roots action on the part of americans, not only in the upcoming congressional races and the presidential race in 2024, but in the local races and in the state elections as well. we, the people, have to solve this, and we have to instruct those who are in positions of leadership to start doing the right thing. our survival as a species may depend upon it. >> al gore, thanks for coming > january 6th hearings, lead to

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learn more about personalized indexing at schwab today. welcome back as more people provide information to the january 6th committee, the co-chair, liz cheney, says the dam has begun to break against former president trump when it comes to more witnesses coming forward. the last hearing for now detailed how mr. trump refused to do anything to support his supporters from ransacking the capitol and threatening vice president pence and members of congress so what is next? will the committee make a criminal referral? will the justice department decide to prosecute mr. trump? joining me now is a committee who led thursday's hearing, democrat elaine luria of virginia welcome back so the dam has begun to break. obviously that means more evidence, more witnesses let me ask about a specific witness that we've not heard from that is probably the biggest one besides the president and that is mike

pence. are we going to hear from him or is the stextent of his cooperato all that we've got >> as you recall, he gave us a trove of next messages which has led us to more information but ever since we subpoenaed him, the justice department essentially threw that case out. there's not to my knowledge been any change of mind on his behalf. >> you know, it's interesting you talk about that you guys made a criminal referral to the justice department and they threw it out but they just got a conviction on bannon do you want them to revisit the meadows decision >> i don't know the process by which -- i don't think that they can revisit something that hthey have already dismissed but he probably has more information on anyone other than the folks we've heard from in the white house that day so that information would be incredibly helpful

we've been able to piece together so much cassidy hutchinson, sarah matthews, other people presenting in the white house. if he's listening, we'd love to hear from him. >> this has been a very orderly way that you've showcased the evidence as you've gotten it and it feels somewhat conclusionary. yet now you say there are hearings in september. what part of a timeline can we expect is this more about january 6 and after? is that what we should expect in september? more about his actions on january 7, 8 and 9 >> so liz cheney mentioned the dam has broken the floodgates have opened when we initially planned the arc of -- the story, the information the way we would presenting that, we thought this hearing this week would be the final hearing. so many more witnesses have come forward. we've got new information that we're requesting and receiving as well from the secret service and there's just a lot of questions still to be answered on that front. so i think that's something we're still working through

taking in this new information, laying it on top of what we've already presented. so i think there will be some information that covers the whole span, but probably more in depth and more conclusive about things we didn't know much about. there's still so much out there we don't fully understand yet. >> in my home i have paper backs of the warren commission, the iran contra commission, the watergate hearings is there going to be a january 6 basically report that the american people, tangible, that they will have in their hands and when >> that will be the final product of the committee i think that the timeline for putting that report out is still to be determined as we continue to do the investigation. >> well, it has to be before january 3rd of next year, given this congress ends. >> yes but many folks have said would that be before the election, after. we're not looking at it through a political lens of the midterm elections, we're looking at

getting to the truth about the events of january 6th. we're actively continuing the investigation and on a parallel path working on putting together the information for the report recommendations, that's the most important part of this as a congressional committee we're tasked to provide recommendations to prevent this in the future. >> i want to ask about the decision to grant anonymity. at the end of the hearing on thursday, vice chair liz cheney praised the courage of the witnesses that have come so much to publicly come forward we saw in realtime what sarah matthews went through with former colleagues attacking her on social media in realtime. so on one hand you've got these brave folks coming out and putting their name and face and reputations on the line and then you're granted anonymity over here i bet you there's a lot of witnesses that wish they could have gotten anonymity. explain why you granted it >> we did that in the case of some national security professionals. i think it's very important both for their continuation of the

roles in which they serve and also this is one of those things that's really the most disturbing about this. i served in uniform for 20 years and understandingthat there's lot of people who are professionals who have information but they have seen what happened in the trump white house for people who came forward and how they had retribution, retaliation i think those people feared if donald trump ever came near the white house again they'd have a target on their back from day one. >> anonymous sources -- look, in my business anonymous sources are certainly helpful and useful, but to the public it gives them skepticism. using an -- i mean an anonymous source, it does lessen the credibility of that information in the eyes of some people. >> i would say i totally disagree i think we have to respect the privacy and in this case anonymity and safety of these people both from a physical safety standpoint but also for them to be able to continue their roles in government

unimpeded. so it was a decision that we made in the committee really easily because we understand the importance of maintaining their anonymity. but the takeaway from it is the fact if the trump administration woman to come back again, these people, they fear retaliation. >> the justice department -- are you seeing any signs-- i know you've been among those frustrated about what appears to be a lack of a criminal investigation. do you see any signs that one happen opened? >> i sure as hell hope they have a criminal investigation at this point into donald trump. i have no direct knowledge of the status of their investigations but what i'd say is i can tell the department of justice is watching our hearings closely. there have been cases for criminal defendants who have been charged and found guilty for events on january 6th and they have quoted testimony from the january 6th witnesses and hearings so merrick garland has told us he's listening if he's watching today, i'd tell him he doesn't have to wait on

us because he has plenty to move forward. >> the georgia investigation which is happening simultaneously, is there any overlap at all or is that somethinuys are observers on latter. >> liz cheney gave a pretty impassioned speech and praised how much women have had the guts to come out versus the men hiding behind executive privilege. >> that was very clever. >> it was an interesting take. i know you've grown professionally pretty close to her. look, her primary in wyoming may go a way she doesn't want it to go would you like to see her run for president in 2024? >> i admire liz cheney i think if she doesn't come through this primary and come back to congress, there are so many things that she can do in the future for our country >> i'm not asking whether you would support her running for president, but do you think her voice is needed? >> her voice is absolutely needed she's one of a very small group

of people that need to be the face of the republican party i'd like to get back and debate on facts and not lies. i really hope that liz cheney will continue and -- i don't want to speculate. she's said herself she doesn't know what her future plans will be. >> we will see there's definitely a need for a leader in the democracy wing of the republican party thank you very much. we'll continue our conversation about january 6 and what the conversation may do to donald trump both politically and legally here the panel is here. tru th politically and legally here. the panel is ear. yamiche alcindor and the founder of punch bowl news and the stephen hayes, editor of "the dit patch and the president of votto latina. i want to start -- i ended with lays cheney there and i want to start with her but i want to start with her diagnosis of how

donald trump weaponized parts of the republican parliament take a listen to this. >> donald trump knows that millions of americans who supported him would stand up and defend our nation were it threatened. he is preying on their patriotism. he is preying on their sense of justice, and on january 6th donald trump turned their love of country into a weapon against our capitol and our constitution. >> steve hayes, i thought that that was bush know, when we go to this idea don't attack trump supporters but in the column from the "new york times" this week, i thought this was a fascinating way for her to try to show how trump manipulated those people. >> she's absolutely right. and if you look at what happened over the course of these hearings, they have provided a detail of how she's right. this is what donald trump has done. he's telling people -- there's a

huge group of republicans who don't pay attention to every twist and turn of what's happening in washington the way that we do. they are living their lives. they are raising their families. they are going to work, and they are not aware of all of the things that donald trump has done. i think one of the things that the hearings has made clear is that if you thought on january 6th or january 7th that there was a rally and donald trump had the right to raise objections and you weren't really paying attention but that, you know, ultimately this wasn't really donald trump's fault. the hearings have made clear that this was a plan, a multi-facetted plan, detailed, laid out in advance with the help of top trump advisers and crazy people who are not trump advisers. just showing that and providing the facts from people who worked for trump, that i think is what made these hearings so effective is they came from republicans and not just republicans but republicans who chose to dedicate their career to working for donald trump.

these are the people making the case against trump. >> so, yamiche, it's sticking as a narrative. will it have a political impact? >> that is a key question. that's the question that's sort of unanswered when i talk to republicans, both those who are horrified by what former president trump did as well as those who are still supportive of him. they all think that the opinions were hardened long before the hearings, but the hearings have brought out new information, but in terms of whether or not you think donald trump was wrong to do january 6th, wrong to pour gasoline on the fire at 2:24 when this mob was already in the capitol and former mike pence is running through the halls and being evacuated, they say that this really isn't going to make a big political difference. of course, the mid terms are a long way away and 2024 is even farther away, and liz cheney's words could be a mold for the kind of republican argument for someone who wants to win the nomination if trump ends up getting in the race, but i would also say when you think about what former president trump is

doing, even this week he's continuing to try to get the election overturned, right? he's calling up wisconsin officials this week trying to get them to -- to change their results. this is someone who has stuck to this plan, who is believing that this is just sort of the way forward and he has a large base of people who are still continuing to support him. i watched this video on set with you, watched the hearing on set with you and lester holt and so many others, and i'm still sort of baffled by the fact that this happened. it's still surreal that people broke into our capitol and donald trump hasn't been completely ex-communicated, not just from the republican party but the entire atmosphere. >> what liz cheney is referring to now that the fever seems to be breaking. the fact that pence went into arizona to go ahead and real for another candidate, that's huge. the fact that his candidate, trump's candidate dr. oz and j.d. vance are in a dead heat also speaks to the fever breaking but the fact on friday

"the wall street journal" and "the new york post" went against donald trump and basically said he was unfit for office regardless if there's a criminal indictment by the doj. that is big business. >> the murdochs have made it clear what side they want to be on. >> this is the other thing. what we may be seeing it right now. does trump go at it alone, close to what teddy roosevelt did with the bull moose party and said, you know what, i'm going to break off and create my own, and that's something to watch. >> i think we as journalists and political observers tend to overstate what people are going to vote for. i think that these hearings have laid a foundation in people's minds that donald trump obviously was -- i was in the capitol on january 6th, obviously responsible in a major way and the people who have kevin mccarthy and the republican leadership who have decided not to be a part of this investigation, probably the biggest act of political

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confirmation hearing is an impeachable hopes of? >> what's your barometer for these hearings? >> if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." welcome back. if there's one overriding explanation for president biden's sinking approval rating, well, james carville once said it's the economy, stupid. wage gains are being gobbled up by inflation which increased by 1.1% in june over last year, the highest rate in more than 40 years which is a phrase we've said after every inflationary report over the last six months. this past week mr. biden's approval rating on the economy in a new quinnipiac poll was 28%. inflation was by far the most important issue cited. joining me now is treasury secretary janet yellen. secretary yellen, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you. a pleasure to be with you. >> let me start with you. many businesses are preparing

for a recession. should make folks at home prepare for a recession that seems to many likely? >> look, the economy is slowing down. it's -- last year it grew very rapidly at about 5.5%, and that succeeded in putting people back to work who had lost their jobs during the pandemic. the labor market is now extremely strong. even just during the last three months net job gains averaged 375,000. this is not an economy that's in recession, but we're in a period of transition in which growth is slowing, and that's necessary and appropriate and we need to be growing at a steady and

sustainable pace so there is a slowdown and businesses can see that and that's appropriate given that people now have jobs and we have a strong labor market, but you don't see any of the signs now. a recession is a broad-based contraction that affects many sectors of these economies. we just don't have that. consumer spending remains solid. it's continuing to grow. output -- industrial output has grown in five of the six most recent months. yesterday it quality remains very strong and household balance sheets are generally in good shape, but inflation is way too high, and -- and, you know, the fed is charged with putting in place policies that will bring inflation down, and i

expect them to be successful, the administration for its part is supplementing of things that we can do. we've cut the deficit by a record 1.5 trillion this year. >> okay. >> releases of gas from the strategic petroleum reserve are putting downward pressure on gas prices, just on recent weeks come down and there should be more in the pipeline. hopefully we will pass a bill that will lower prescription drug costs to maintain current levels of health care costs. >> you seem pretty optimistic, it sounds like, from that answer that we're going to avoid a recession, but i want to throw in two data points that you didn't bring up. one was these reports on friday about both in the euro space and

in the united states that you've seen some contraction of business activity and throw in the uptick of unemployment, the weekly unemployment number there. is that not the first sign of a coming recession, even if it's a mild one? >> well, i -- you know, i would say that we're seeing a slowdown. we're likely to see some slowing of job creation, but i don't think that that's a recession. a recession a broad-based weakness in the economy, and we're not seeing that now and i don't think that's necessary. there's risks we have to consider. inflation is high in the united states and also in many of our neighbors in the uk and in canada and in the euro area, central banks are addressing that. we have a war in ukraine that

threatens potentially even higher oil prices than what we're seeing right now. one of the things that i've been doing in recent weeks is working with our allies to try to cap the price of -- that russia receives for its oil, but to diminish the revenues that russia gets but also to -- to keep russian oil selling in global markets so that when the next round of sanctioned is put in place in december by the european union we're concerned that oil could be significant -- significant amounts of oil could be shut in oil leading to an oil price spike, so there are threats on the horizon. >> yeah. >> growth is slowing globally and -- and i'm not saying that we will definitely avoid a recession, but i think there is

a path that keeps the labor market strong and brings inflation down. >> help us play armchair economist this week. there is a ton of data coming out this week. there's probably a fun week for an economist because we're going to have consumer confidence survey, the second quarter gdp numbers, we got inflation numbers for june. which is the indicator, what's the number that you're most focused on that will give you a better indication of where it economy is heading? >> well, i look at all the data, and gdp will be closely watched. a common definition of recession is two negative quarters of gdp growth or at least that's something that's been true in past recessions when we've seen that there has usually been a recession, and many economists expect second quarter gdp to be

negative, first quarter gdp was negative. so we could see that happen, and that will be closely watched, but i do want to emphasize what a recession really means is broad-based contraction. >> yeah. >> in the economy, and even if that number is negative, we are not in a recession now, and -- and i would, you know, warn that we should be not characterizing that as a recession. >> i understand that, but you're splitting hairs. if the technical definition is two quarters of contraction, you're saying that's not a recession. >> that's not the -- >> no? >> that's not the technical definition. there's an organization called the national bureau of economic research who looks at a broad range of data in deciding whether or not there is recession, and most of the data that they look at right now continues to be strong.

i would be amazed if the nbr declared this period to be a recession even there's two quarters of negative growth. we've got a very strong labor market. >> got. >> we are creating almost 400,000 jobs a month. that is not a recession. >> janet yellen, the sent of treasury and obviously the former chair of the federal reserve, always appreciate getting your perspective. >> thanks, chuck. >> when we come back, suspicious minds. would someone's political party affi [music - cover of blondie's “dreaming”] [music playing] ♪ imagine something of your very own. ♪ ♪ something you can have and hold. ♪ ♪ i'd build a road in gold just to have some dreaming, ♪ ♪ dreaming is free. ♪

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another way of looking at our suspicion of each other, is the other party untruthful? 70% of republicans believe democrats are untruthful. ready for this? 69% of democrats believe republicans are untruthful. so i guess you cod say we have agree on pessimism over all in poll showed up everywhere. 56% believe the government is corrupt and rigged. another 49% say, half oftr 1 in 4 americans believe we may need to take up arms against the government. this is a pez mystic electorate going into these midterms. what will this mean in november? what will this mean in november? when we come back, we'll take a medium latte, half-caff, no foam. quite the personalized order. i know what i like. i've been meaning to ask you, carl. does your firm offer personalized index investing? hmm?

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approval. you know, this is the cross current that is, i think, making the midterms. like it is not a done deal. >> the mid-terms i could tell you right now is not going to be a blow-out. in 2014, we saw the opposing party ahead of the democrats at the time. it was clear they were going to change. now it is a dead heat. look at the senate. it does look like you are going to have perhaps two senators, one from ohio, one from pennsylvania on the democratic side. and among the democrats inside washington, it is like we may lose the house, but let's live with the houses. while it looks like you poll republican against democrat, it looks like it is in a dead heat, the moment they put a maga republican against a democrat, that stirs a completely different reaction. >> every other midterm, they fashion themselves as something new. >> right. >> that is the missing piece here for the gop.

they're not offering anything new. >> no. they're hoping to trade on volatility and the unpopularity of joe biden. every single election since 2006 with the exception of 2012 when barack obama was re-elected has been a change election. that is extraordinary volatility in our politics and i thinkse m now. republicans could ll succeed. i do expect it will be a good day for republicans, certainly in the house, maybe in the senate because they're not joe biden, because people are looking at these inflation numbers, because we could be on the verge of a recession. their view is we don't have to put forth much of an agenda. to the extent we do, it will be negative for us. >> by the way, speaking of recession, a lot of people will say that will meet the definition of recession. hey, but don't call it recession. what do you make of that spin? >> well, it is really interesting because obviously

the treasury secretary and the white house don't want to be leaning in too much on negative language because we're in this strange place where there is all these jobs and americans are seeing low wages. people are tired of doing the sort of economy that we had pre-pandemic. people want to have more flexibility. people are leaving their jobs. then when i approval rating in washington, i went back and looked at the approval rating of scientists, of journalists. americans don't like anyone right now, and that probably benefits the republicans, but there is also abortion politics and the way that democrats want to mobilize on that issue. but i think overall, americans are in a weird place because we're still traumatized by the pandemic. we're still dealing with all the challenges that are coming up. you also have americans trying to balance real apa thi for all different sectors of government and science and the media.

>> this is based on conversations i've had on the hill the last couple weeks is don't overthink it. republicans have the largest majority in the house of representatives that they have had -- minority, sorry, that they have had in a long time. it doesn't take a lot for them to have a historically large republican majority. will that happen? i have no idea. but it doesn't -- if they win the mean, the average of what they would win in the first midterm election of the president's cycle, they're already in one of the largest majorities in a long time. and add on negative gdp numbers, add on a stagnant economy, and i think we will have a really good night for republicans on capitol hill. >> the issue with the senate races, though, is something that seems to be -- i mean, it is the story of 2010 for the republicans. it was the story of why it took him an extra four years. >> it is really interesting to watch because you have had a bunch of republican candidates, herschel walker in georgia, dr. oz in pennsylvnia, j.d. vance

no ohio who have struggled a little bit. ranging from a little bit to a lot. and mitch mcconnell's super pac has not really gotten in and pushed their preferred candidates in a lot of race this is cycle. >> they had threatened to. >> and they still might in missouri. but it is very interesting to see them take this hands on approach. raphael warnock is eyes on the prize and charging back against herschel walker where a video came out last week where he was imag imaging to be an fbi agent. republicans were sitting back going, what is going on? >> what the going on? >> that doesn't explain the weak candidates. >> all the three that you mentioned, j.d. vance, dr. oz and herschel walker, that could be one of the reasons why mitch mcconnell isn't. maybe he's like, let's go back

to normal where we are talking about policy as a republican and democratic party. and the only way to do so is by sacrificing some of these senate seats. >> if it's j.d. vance that gets in there, he will take it. >> i think the great irony is that clearly donald trump is pulling these candidates, making fringe candidates more mainstream by supporting them and providing them with outside funding in a way that i think is ironic. when you look at the so-called establishment republicans, you would expect they might create more distance, might have a bigger fight. but instead the national senate committee is sending out mail as late as this week saying protect donald trump's legacy. >> this gets me back. a midterm election is supposed to be a referendum on the current party. but the republicans are allowing another president to basically be on the ballot, too. so we are having a -- if the midterms are up, no longer a

referendum but a proxy fight. well, we know what this is. we're a polarized electorate. >> when we think about all the people that you mentioned, herschel walker and j.d. vance, part of what they're trying to do is recreate what former president donald trump did, which is not have a lot of policies but have people feel that you hear them. >> you are describing the arizona primary right now between a want to be celebrity trumper versus somebody that worked their way through the system. >> do they look up and say, you know what, i like this celebrity. he's interesting to me. or do they say i will go with the guy that's preaching at martin luther king's church and i'm going to go there. >> whether or not young voters and people of color come out. >> all right. that's it for today. we could have gone to overtime, but i am out of time. thank you for watching.

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