. this is sunday, a political earthquake. >> excitement. joy. >> next stunning proabortion rights voting red kansas. >> not overreach into our personal rights. >> i'm astounded at the turnout. >> reporter: beating back a move by conservatives to build on the overturning of roe v. wade. >> we are in this because we believe very strongly in protecting both women and babies! >> what does voting in kansas tell us what might happen in november's midterm election.

my guest nancy mace and stacey abrams. speaker pelosi's visit to taiwan. >> i came here to send an unequivocal message america stands with taiwan. >> china reacts. >> there is no justification for this extreme disproportionate response. >> i will talk with chris van hollen. democrats looking to pass their climate, health and tax bill. >> reduce inflation and lower prescription drug costs and we will fight climate change. >> all against total republican opposition. >> this bill has nothing to do with the real people in the real world worried about every single day. >> join me for insight on

cornell bellcher and anna palm and pat mccrory and susan page. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. it is fair to say there are two conclusions we can draw from tuesday's important voting. one is that the history of abortion being more of a motivator for republicans than for democrats. maybe just that. history. when kansas votes defeated an antiabortion that the roe v. wade decision would energize their voters particularly in the suburbs. remember, this was kansas! theish sparked a turnout that

abortion opponents are overreaching. nobody saw this kind of landslide result coming. the other loan is the gop remains very much donald trump's party despite a more robust anti-trump insurgency. look no further than arizona. the candidates all won their republican nominations. the race may have been closer but the trump team won. are they easier targets for democrats to take down in november perhaps but far right candidates could refuse to survive any victory by any democrat in 2024 in that state. we will start with that abortion vote earthquake. the latest data point that tells us this -- it is time for rethink everything we thought we knew about this november's midterms. >> i'm overjoyed. >> after 18-point defeat of the

measure that would have strict abortion rights from the state's constitution, democrats are hoping to take the post-roe backlash in conservative kansas nationwide. >> kansas was just the start! if it's going to happen in kansas it's going to happen in a lot of states. >> turnout more than double midterm primaries in kansas approaching presidential levels on an issue where republicans have a historically had the enthusiasm advantage. >> i'm astounded by the turnout. >> this setback is not stopping us. >> reporter: roger marshall caught the results a gut punch. >> it tells us a lot of people interested in the issue in kns in doubt about that. >> reporter: democratics kansas city are making it clear on the air waves they are all in. >> he supports a total ban. >> you make it illegal and you punish the doctors. >> blake masters is too dangerous for arizona. >> millions of women lost their right to choose.

keegan is celebrating but she wants to make abortion illegal. >> reporter: abortion will be directly on the ballot in a handful of states, including battleground michigan where a pending ballot measure would enshrine abortion rights with a constitutional amendment and democratic governor gretchen whitmer is trying to make her -- a referendum on abortion rights. >> life and mother. >> grand solid. >> on friday in indiana, governor eric holcombe signed a near ban on abortion. the first state post-roe to pass sweeping restrictions. the law ends legal abortion completely in indiana which has been allowed up to 22 weeks of pregnancy but it does include exceptions for the life of the mother, fatal fetal anomalies and some exceptions for rape and incest which some house republicans tried possess remove

immediately. >> does this apply to a fifth grader who has been a victim of incest? >> it -- it does. >> in the end indiana republicans splintered. national republicans are counting for inflation and the economy to define the electoral map but as democrats work to turn individual races into referendums on abortion rights, some republican candidates worried about their party's move to the right are softening their own positions. >> no exceptions for rape or incest? >> unless a mother's life is in danger. >> but now? >> i've been unclear previously, i want to be clear now. rape and incest, along with endangering a mother's mental health are exceptions. >> i don't give way for exceptions either. people of pennsylvania you decide what abortion looks like. you decide on exception. >> joining me now is republican congresswoman nancy mace of

south carolina. welcome back to "meet the press." >> good morning. >> i want to start to get your reaction to what happened in kansas. when you look at kansas and south carolina, in some ways, at least on their presidential vote, mirror each other 56% i think for trump in one and 55% in the other. and here you saw this reap sounding 59% of kansans reject the idea of essentially getting rid of a constitutional amendment that could have led to rolling back rights to an abortion. your reaction? >> well, i think we are seeing it in on both sides now the extremities of both sides on. on the far left you have folks who want any -- states are trying to assure that no abortion for any reason including rape and incest victims in girls and that is not okay with the electorate either. i see it in my own district and own state and the vast majority of people here are okay with some guardrails but they don't

want the extremities of either side. they are seeing states push forward with legislation like in my state of south carolina, there is legislation that would ban the word abortion on a website or a website server. there are folks who want to ban women from traveling out of state and folks like in my state that want to ban abortion for women who are victims of rape and girls who are victims of incest. and that is just, you know, both sides have these extremities where the vast majority of people just are not there right now. there has to be a place for the center on this very emotional issue. >> let me ask you this. everything you describe about sort of the fallout from this, there was a simple way to avoid this fallout and that was keeping roe. i know you were somebody who thought you wanted toss roe v. wade overturned. is that aste? >> well, i am staunchly pro life but there were issues with roe, even justice ruth bader ginsburg had issues constitutionally to

the right to privacy and right to equal protection under the law. you saw joe biden 40 years ago trying to to look to doing away with it as well. i think there are issues with roe in terms of the constitutionality of it and overturning of it now leaves it to the state and state legislatures in particular, but also congress can have a role here. the problem that we have today, chuck, i know you see this every single day are the political divisions. because of the such of an emotional issue, this is a place where we should be working together. if you look across the pond and you look at european nations if you're even allowed to have one, there are gestational limits and most countries in europe you're looking at 12 to 15 weeks there. there are other exceptions that we should be looking at. we should be ensuring that life of the morning in every instant instance is protected and ensure one of the reasons i was 1 of 8 republicans a few weeks ago to vote to ensure that women have access to contraceptives.

the vast majority of people agree on and aren't fringy on the other side of the aisle. not what we are doing right now. >> no, it's not. i guess i'm curious. how do you propose -- you bring up the issue i think is maybe impossible to create which is in you believe in this, if you view abortion through the eyes of morale it's no such thing as moderation. so how do you -- how do you legislate moderation here when neither side is comfortable with that compromise? >> well, i actually don't think it's that -- that difficult when you're looking at it from that perspective, too. if you look at it from congress from our role, i mean, there can be gestational -- reasonable gestational for most people. 75% of americans want some guardrails and support guardrails on abortion whether pro choice or pro live. only a percent are on a side of

this issue. gestational whether 15 weeks or 20 weeks or protections for fetal abnormalities or rape or incest victims things we can all agree on as americans and particularly in a state whether it's south carolina or any other state that is banning abortion altogether or trying to, then women's access to contraceptives has been to a guarantee. how is a woman supposed to get any kind of care, health care, medical care, care for her infant when those resources don't exist? 75% of america is put in guardrails that they are comfortable with and let's move forward and we can do this at the federal level and give some guidance to states or states do it as well and we will continue to see extremities until congress steps in and see extremities on both sides. >> it steams like you think

congress has step in here. 15 states right now want to criminalize the doctor, want to make basically if there is a crime committed here, it's not the woman, it would be the doctor. as you know, you already talked about the problem of getting obgyn into practicing in rural south carolina. a lot of these obgyn don't want to practice in states with restrictive laws because they have to sit here and wait to declare an emergency to intervene medically and so they figure you know what? i'm going to practice medicine in a state that makes the abortion law safe. how do you do this? how do you fix this federally? >> it is going to be an issue. i do think that congress, because roe v. wade was overturned, that we do have an opportunity here to work together to ensure that those things don't take place. and you can do that at the federal level with legislation but in this particular issue, it's going to take republicans and democrats working together to get it in a place where you can do it in a bipartisan

fashion and passion legislation. i think you can look at gestational limits most reasonable for most americans. one of my concerns you got states that are going to try to ban women from traveling that if you're raped that you got to report it to the police. i was raped when i was 16. and it took me a week to tell my mother. by that time, any evidence would have been gone. and the violation of a woman's privacy, i can't tell you how traumatic that event was in my life and my own home state, they want women to be required and mandated to report when they are raped and i just can't even imagine a world where you're a teenage girl and raped have to report those things. it is not supposed to be a road map, right? this is a place we can be in the center, we can protect life, and we can protect where people are on both sides of the aisle. and so it's important to take that perspective and that is the perspective that congress should

have on everything that we do but as you know we are so divided. >> bottom line. do you think it is bad if the republican party becomes the party of abortion bans? >> well, i am staunchly pro life. i am 100% pro life voting record. i do think it will be an issue in november if we are not moderating ourselves and including exceptions for women who are raped and girls victims of incest and in every instance where the life of a mothe that have staked out and important to me perstate. i'm going to continue to fight for those things. we can't go to the far corners of the right or the far corners of the left because the left wants abortion for any reason up until the birth of a child which is insane to me and insane to most america. so somewhere in the middle is where we have got to meet and i do believe that congress has a role and i want to play a part in that role and shaping policy for the future for every american in our country. >> congresswoman nancy mace,

republican from south carolina, her district basically represents a large part of charleston, south carolina. congresswoman, thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective. >> thank you. joining me is stacey abrams the democratic nominee for georgia and rematch with brian kemp who defeated her four years ago very narrowly. welcome back to "meet the press." >> my pleasure to be here. thank you for having me. >> look. let's start this conversation about the impact what we saw in kansas. and, obviously, post-dobbs. how front and center do you believe the abortion debate should be for democrats all around the country, let alone your campaign? >> it is an essential conversation and it is about the freedom of women to direct their lives. it is about health care freedom. and it is cut across demographics and ideology and the questions that dominate elections at this moment.

it is an economic conversation and a conversation about whether our citizenship is equal to men in this country, depending on which state you live? >> it's interesting. you seem to be arguing the ups and downs of the economy that may motivate you on one hand but, hey, these laws are longer term. do you have any think in your mind abortion right, the abortion issue almost bigger than the economy long-term? >> i would say that the economy, economic -- are going to continue and i would never under play how important it is for us to think about putting, you know, money in people's pockets and putting a roof over their heads but we know for women these abortion rights fights are about their ability to control their lives to have the ability to participate in the economy. to have the ability to determine whether forced pregnancy is in their future. yes, i would urge every voter to think about the economy is going to go up and down but the laws will change the future for every

women that you know when they become solidified. >> i want to get clarity on your position. i want to put up what you said very recently on this. quote. how do you put legislation around that? >> you put legislation around that by returning to what we know is the structural framework of roe v. wade and do it by not setting arbitrary gestational limits and we know those reflect medical decision making. what we are saying we respect the responsibility that women have and the obligation that doctors have. politicians are not scientists and we should not be setting into law these moving targets

that do not reflect the reality that women face when they are sitting in that doctor's office. >> look. the person on the right who wants to see some restrictions on abortion is going to argue that even though you're not saying you're for abortion all the way up to the end of that, essentially that law would allow abortion all the way up to the end of a pregnancy. would you want to have legislation to put guardrails on that? >> >> the guardrails are holding the physician accountable. i think where we get far afield. no woman at eight months has not cherished the notion of this pregnancy. if you have conversations with women, you know that that is one of the most difficult moments and the reality is that to put an arbitrary date in a law devalues the pain and the tragedy of that moment. a doctor is not going to take an action that is not medically required. and what we are seeing is that this is a medical decision. i understand that there are

those who would feel better if we picked, plucked a date out of the air, but we know that is not scientifically supportable, but we also know that the tragedy of exceptions. you cannot write every exception into the law and that is where we find ourselves today in georgia. brian kemp does not permit these exceptions to be real. and in the state 82 counties without an obgyns t and 18 counties without a family doctor and nine without a doctor at all, setting arbitrary limits are not grounded into the reality of what women face is deeply problematic and, ultimately, cruel. >> you're having a science conversation and medical conversation which is the conversation most women are having. there is also the political reality. if you get elected governor you probably will have a republican legislature. so in order to to -- you may have to compromise in order to get a better law that won't be what you want.

are you willing to do that? are you willing to essentially go from what it is now to 15 weeks if that ask what you're able to do as governor because that is the -- you sort of -- you write your laws with the legislature you have, not the one you want. >> where we stood in georgia prior to brian kemp was a 20-week ban i also found deeply objectionable. what brian kemp has done is go so far afield that 72% of georgiians disagree what we have now which is almost a total ban. when you understand it is roughly a total ban on abortion, we know that regardless of your political posture, you disagree with where we are. as someone who served in the legislature for 11 years and was lauded by both parties for my ability to navigate, i will certainly get the best law we can but we begin making decisions based/zñ on what it should be and, yes, you work towards what you can get. but we have to start with a governor who actually believes a

woman should have the right to control her body and to control her economic freedom. >> you're not going to rigid to the point if you don't get it your way, you're not going to change the law? >> that's not how politics has ever worked, unless, of course, you're brian kemp who believes you should trump everyone's decision making and everyone's needs. >> a pattern is developing about your race. if you look at the polling, rafael warnock seems to have a steady lead on herschel walker and other polls need to have a narrow lead on you. it does appear that he has acquired teflon by taking on trump. is that making it hard to defeat the issue? that it's harder to make him a trump ally? >> brian kemp is doing and excellent job showing he is a extremist who has a hard right agenda not in the best there through georgia.

we left -- because weekend gun laws in georgia guns are the number one killer of our children and we are the number nine state for gun violence. what he has benefited from is having, yes, a primary that was fairly lackluster in the end, but what people are realizing and why he remains below 50% is that georgians realize we do not have to make a choice between a strong economy and an extremist agenda. i'm the only candidate who is proposing a comprehensive plan for how we build our economy and protect our freedoms. brian kemp refuses to do so. and so i believe that this election, as we move into labor day, that people are going to continue to pay attention to his extreme attention on abortion and on guns and his extreme position on refusing to take action to help the people of georgia when we are suffering from a health care crisis and a housing crisis and that the more they by attention the more they realize his high water mark is on that primary.

>> stacey abrams, in a race we will all be watching closely from here. stay safe on the trail. >> thank you. >> we invited governor kemp on and we did not receive a response. coming up, speaker pelosi's visit to taiwan sparks growing tensions between the united states and china. when we come back, i'll t(dad) we have to tell everyone that we just switched to verizon's new welcome unlimited plan, for just $30. (daughter) i've already told everyone! (nurse) wait... did you say verizon for just $30? (mom) it's their best unlimited price ever. (cool guy) $30...that's awesome. (dad) yeah, and it's from the most reliable 5g network in america. (woman) for $30 a line, i'm switching now. (mom) yeah, it's easy and you get $960 when you switch the whole family. (geek) wow... i've got to let my buddies know. (geek friend) we're already here! (vo) the network you want. the price you love. only from verizon.

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joining me is chris van hollen of maryland on the senate foreign relations committee. senator, welcome back to "meet the press." i'll be honest. looks like you guys have the an all-nighter. >> chuck, we have been here all night and we are still going on the inflation reduction act. republicans are offering an amendment after amendment to try to sabotage the bill but i'm confident we will get it over the finish line. >> let me ask you this. the biggest thing that happened was right before the bill went to a vote and that was the decision on the prescription drug benefit by the parliamentian. this should lower drug costs if you're on medicare. now that there is a no longer a part of this bill that will effectively protect those not on medicare, should folks not on medicare expect to see the prescription drug companies say we can't make money over here so we will raise prices over there?

it certainly seems like that is more likely to happen than not. >> chuck, first of all, as you said, the centerpiece of this bill was finally giving medicare the power to negotiate drug prices and that will reduce drug prices for seniors, in addition to the fact that we have a cap of $2,000 and out of pocket costs. look. i wish we had gotten this other provision in. if we had ten republicans, we could get it done. we are going to have to come back to that. and we will be watching the pharmaceutical industry like a hawk and, hopefully, if they made that kind of move, we would have enough votes to respond. but i just want to stress the fact that since i've been here in the congress and including my time in the house, we have been trying to get medicare the power to negotiate drug prices. looks like we are finally there. >> getting them there, what can be done? do you think you're going to have to pass a law to do this or

are you hoping the pharmaceutical industry, out of the goodness of their heart, doesn't raise prices for the rest of us? >> well, let me first say, we may have a vote later this morning on a 30 dollar monthly cap on insulin. so republicans will have a chance to join us in that. according to the par la men tearian, we need their votes to get that done so that will be some test. but look. we are going to keep at this. we want to make sure we lower drug prices for every american and it is an important start to get this in place for the medicare program and tens of millions of seniors around the country, including a million in maryland who get medicare. >> look. i invited you on because i want to talk what happened in taiwan and what is happening to taiwan. let me state this. the chinese chose to be outraged. this is on them, not on her. was her trip worth it, given all

of the fallout? >> i think it was, chuck, because we need to be very clear that china doesn't get to dictate which u.s. officials go to taiwan and when they go to taiwan. as you know, we send congressional delegations frequently. a former speaker of the house has been to taiwan in the past. and what president xi decided to do was manufacture a crisis over pelosi's visit. as you know, he's got, this fall, congress is coming up. he is seeking an unprecedented third term as leader of china. and this is saber rattling and chest bumping by president xf. >> it looks like that is what it is so in the moment we are trying to de-escalate. what do you want to see the biden administration do in the next, say, three to six months to reassure that vietnam, japan,

philippines who are nervous about what china is doing here and they are nervous if we are going to have taiwan's back, do we have to send a message again that we will have their back? >> well, i think we have been very clear, and the biden administration has been clear, we are adhering to u.s. policy, which is that we recognize our one china policy, but we have also been firm and straight from the very start that we will oppose any effort to reunify taiwan by force, by violence. and we have reassured our japanese partners and others of that. in fact, chuck, i think this chinese action of putting missiles into japan's economic zone, exclusive economic zone, is going to backfire. i think it's going to cause japan to increase its defense spending and seek even closer military engagement and cooperation with the united states, which is already good. so i think this is going to backfire on china. yes, we have to de-escalate.

we also have to be firm in making our policy clear. >> do you think it's inevitable that china is going to make a run at taiwan in the next five years? >> i don't think it's inevitable. we need to help taiwan make that as difficult as possible for china and we have been doing that by supplying china -- excuse me. by supplying taiwan with military assistance. we need to continue to do that. to make taiwan into the porcupine so that when, you know, china looks at taiwan, it realizes that this is going to be a hell of a fight and not a winnable fight. and i do think when they look to what putin tried to do in ukraine, they will see how a determined people can thwart someone like a dictator like putin who, of course, thought he was going to walk into kyiv in a matter of weeks. and that was not -- that was not possible. >> look. for a long time, no u.s. official wanted to describe our

relationship with china in strictly adversarial terms. how do we not look at the cutting off of military ties and climate ties and immigration ties, all of these things and not say we are in a cold war with china? >> well, i don't think we are in a cold war with china yet. a lot of that depends on what china does next. there is no doubt that president xi has escalated, you know, china's actions against taiwan even before the pelosi visit and has been more aggressive throughout the region. at the same time, we have been trying to cooperate with them on these other measures, as you say. i believe they will be back at the table on those measures. it is important that we have that military-to-military dialogue, but it is important that we also confront and check china where it's trying to export its model of authoritarians around the world in africa and middle east and other places. >> senator, it's been a long

night. you were very flexible for us i know with back and forth. you've got to get back to voting and i appreciate you spending a few minutes with us and our viewers to get the latest on this. thank you. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> when we come back, the abortion vote in kansas and one thought what we thought we knew about the midterms is not actually true at all. medium latte, half-caff, no foam. quite the personalized order. i know what i like. i've been meaning to ask you, carl. does your firm offer personalized index investing? hmm? so i can remove a stock that doesn't align with my goals. i'm a broker, not a barista. what about managing gains and losses to be more tax efficient? not a wizard either. looks like schwab personalized indexing can. schwaaab! learn more about personalized indexing at schwab today.

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welcome back. panelists here anna palmer and cornell belcher and pat mccorey and susan page here with me. you're a kansas native, susan. >> i am. >> you even said you didn't leave the state until you went to college. >> it was a shock! ha. >> you know this speaking of shocks, kansas native susan page how shocked were you? >> i was shocked. i was surprised. maybe not necessarily that the amendment went down but the margin of the victory i thought was quite stunning and a sign that kansas is a conservative

state for sure. it's a state that is very reliably republican when you look at the presidential race but it's also a state with a populace history and independent streak. consider this. the last ten elected governors in kansas, five of them have been democrats, including the current one. >> an amazing stat. you shared it earlier. that is one of those that people are going to go, oh, maybe i didn't know understand kansas the way i should of. >> it's a pragmatic state and conservative state. this was a shock to people i talked to in my home state on both sides of this issue. >> eisenhower, bob dole, similarity there. pat, your reaction? how shocked were you? >> maybe this proves that the supreme court was right in returning the decision back to the states. >> really? >> and clarifying -- i'm a constitutional conservative who believed in overturning roe versus wade and letting the states make a decision and kansas made a decision and probably represents what the mantle of kansas people believe and what the supreme court

majority said should happen. now the dilemma is this. this is part of the game. every republican and democrat who just got through a primary had filled out surveys either by planned parenthood or by a pro life group which they put their absolute answers on because i have had to fill out these surveys where are you for or against and absolute measures? and every person who is running for office has filled out one of those surveys. now, all of a sudden, you even see stacey abrams kind of clarifying her remarks and i guarantee you there is a survey somewhere out there where she did absolute in order to win a primary to begin with. this is the dilemma for all of the politicians on the right and the left. the people are not on the absolute side and you heard that from the congresswoman from south carolina too, that people are in favor of some restrictions but reasonable restrictions, and that is going to be the interesting debate at the state and possibly federal

level. republicans on my side a little hypocritical saying return it to the states and later they said let's have aonder if mitch mcco regretsats don't want thissish but a pressured now to have these rules and bills that are mandates and if you're a democrat, this is the gift that keeps on giving. the culture wars have shifted abortion. i remember to years ago trying to have different state amendments so they could turn out and gin up voters. democrats will use it this time all the way to the election. >> you think? ? cornell -- >> oh, gosh. i'm wearing the white suit here. >> if stacey abrams wins, she will win on guns and abortion item i love the governor is arguing process. if you're arguing process in

politics it's a problem. chuck, we have talked about this conversation. i've said the moment suburban moms, they are voting on abortion on the right but the moment that suburban moms think that they are -- their right to choose is going away is a vote issue and could change the dynamics and that what you're seeing. not only turnout just in kansas. we are getting poll after poll showing the motivation is up. six months ago, ill thought a lot of signs along the road here that looked like 2010 for someone who sat in 2010 a part of the obama team, it looked like 2010 going about but doesn't look like that now. you look at the enthusiastic for young women and women voters. 2019, 29% of african americans said that election was more important than the past. last week, 60% of african americans say this election is more upon than past important.

they have woke a sleeping giant with this issue. >> you may have peaked too early. i think we are going back to the immigration and -- >> he is convinced of your theory, no, no, no, this will revert. this feels different, susan. >> you know why it's not going to fade away? economy will be important no question about that. people will be reminded every day about this issue because states are taking action and look at indiana this weekend and the stories we see about the repercussions of the court decision is on front pages of newspapers. who does not know the story of the 10-year-old girl raped in ohio forced to go to indiana to get an abortion? that is going to keep this issue front and center. >> i think the consequences will keep trickling out. this is not going away. the economy is a top issue every election cycle. but freedom is on the ballot now and it's becoming not only --

>> senate and houses, both the senate and house seats are gerrymander and now that the primaries are over, i don't think you'll see -- >> i get a sense that in this issue, too many republican-elected officials thought that their pro life constituents were more mainstream than they actually were. roger marshall's reaction to this, ansas senator, saying i can't believe this. if you would have polled the voters you would know where you were. >> i think they have staked out the plans because outside groups 50 years have been pushing this issue finally got what they wanted roe versus wade and now moving the whole ball into a whole other game. >> what is pro life now? define what a pro life -- i say this -- i heard nancy mace say i'm pro life. some pro lifers say if you want

the exceptions you're not pro life. >> i think both sides what is pro choice is another question. stacey abrams was giving you a transition from pro choice. i think what you're going to see is some reasonable guidelines of what abortion is, but be careful, democrats, on this issue. don't overplay your cards because on surveys, people are still more conservative on the abortion issue but they aren't willing to go to the extreme. >> one quick thing. when you win with 60% in kansas not just democrats and you see polling some republican women may not be pro choices but don't like the idea of the government taking away their rights. >> single voters? >> i think that will tell us a lot in november. >> before we go to break, we want to let you know about something you need to be subscribing to right now. our excellent newsletter. our daily political newsletter from "meet the press" called "first read." every morning we bring you the

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welcome back. data download time. what else are we going on in kansas? people like to think of that state as ruby red, rural. in terms of racial diversity and education, it's actually a state that looks a lot more like the rest of the country than one might think. the results of the abortion amendment this week could give us some clues about november. look. overall, the no vote overperformed joe biden's totals in kansas across the board at 59%. it was across the board no matter county. johnson county kansas, outside of kansas city, kansas. look what the no vote did here. 69% and overperformance of 17

points from the biden vote. that actually was duplicated across the state. in some rural counties, even better than that. here is russell county, kansas, home of bob dole, nomr. republican. look at the no vote. 45% overall rural kansas. no vote performed somewhere in the 30s or higher. it is one of the explanations for why this won so big. the other thing we saw here was a spike in voter turnout and new voters showing up. look at this. new voter registration since the dobbs decision in kansas spiked here. you see that over 8,000 new voter registration. 68% of them women. in colorado and michigan, two other states that we expect to see abortion referendum on the ballot, we are seeing a similar spike in new registrations favoring women but not like kansas. could this shift even more? this is something to watch. trust me. when we come back, dick cheney

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welcome back. president biden got some good news just this morning. he has tested negative for covid and he is out of isolation on his way to rehoboth beach, delaware. may be the end of his best week ever. the killing of the al qaeda leader ayman al zawahiri an much more. pretty good for a guy with approval ratings in the 30s. cornell, look. i do think that this midterm has separated out presidential approval from where we are. i think donald trump has had a hand in that. but if joe biden can't see his approval ratings rise after a week like this, you got to ask yourself, is this something he can ever pull out. >> well, yes. we have seen it before.

the narrow arc of presidency is different. they are a four-year arc here. in 2010, obama's numbers weren't great either but had he a story to tell. i think after the midterms, i think biden will have a really good story to tell sort of tackling inflation and strong economy and major investments and clean energy something our base really wanted and supporting women's choice. i think he will have a pretty strong record to stand on after the midterms. i think the arc of his narrative will start going up. >> his legislative record is looking pretty good. who gets the credit for it? a schumer and pelosi show or biden's white house deserves more credit than they are getting? >> joe biden was not leading the charge on them publicly. on theh■ñ hill i think democrat want to be as far away from joe biden as they can be right now. this is going all to chuck schumer he is an uncontested

leader and got a lot of things done here and everybody thought a much smaller package when it came to the reconciliation bill and out with the mcconnell and much larger package giving democrats something to run on. democrats have been kind of dead men walking on capitol hill and now i think they feel there is some momentum there. >> weird thing is -- matter assess lot in midterms especially if they are as low as they are for joe biden. you have unprecedented situation you have two presidents are big factors in this mid term. you got joe biden and donald trump. maybe donald trump is more of a negative for republicans, more of a positive for democrats than joe biden is for either one. >> i've heard this, pat. basically, hating trump is better for the democratic base than hating biden is for the republican base. >> consultants like cornell will want biden to go back in the basement. that is how he became president and he had his best week. you're right. nancy pelosi overshadowed him

without his permission. chuck schumer did the agreement with joe manchin without him. actually, the best thing was for the democrats, i hate to say, was jon stewart. jon stewart put us republicans and veterans on the defensive and one lesson to both that awoke democrats and conservative republicans is don't pick a fight with comedian like jon stewart or bill moore or david chappelle, they will win. they are quicker than us politicians. i think right now the only guy on the offense was the governor of florida desantis and, yet, trump will not let him share any spotlight. >> speaking of trump. i can't let the show go without -- i mean, it's -- this ad i think is going to be remarkable regardless of what happens to liz cheney and that is this. dick cheney direct a camera rebuke of donald trump. take a look. >> in our nation's 246-year history there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than donald trump.

he tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. he is a coward. a real man wouldn't lie to his supporters. >> susan, this feels like a declaration more than it feels like some sort of ad campaign for a house race. this feels like a declaration that team cheney is coming after chump, wherever he is regardless what happens in wyoming. >> remember when dick cheney was the gop? dick cheney, 14 years since he left the white house. it is no longer the george w. bush or dick cheney. it's donald trump's republican party. we will see that in the primaries and we see that, i suspect, in the wyoming primary next week. >> was it cheney? i thought the first biden re-election ad. >> anti-trump forces and the republican party got closer. you know? one of these things. you look at arizona and these

places. trump won but it was harder but he still is winning. sort of -- i don't know what the anti-trump forces do. >> i agree with you. when you look at it he is not at strong, right is in the tail is not in the same place that it was two, four years ago. but to your point, those are the people that are still on the ballot in the midterms and he is not going anywhere. looking at cpac. >> i think the big question for the senate candidates do you accept a trump invitation? the democrats have already decided they don't want biden any way around. >> i think that depends. >> we shall see. all we have for today. thank you for watching. i'm sorry to see juan soto go. i was hoping he would stay last week. go padres? we will be back next week if it's sunday, it's "meet the

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kicking off your week with a massive piece of legislation that is 755 pages, costs $430 billion and claims to combat climate change and extend health care coverage. but does iactually fulfill its title, inflation reduction act after multiple negative covid tests, today president biden will travel to kentucky to survey the devastation in the wake of last week's flooding to ukraine, where explosions at a nuclear plant are sending shivers througho