homeless californians need real solutions, not false promises. prop 27 gives 90% of the money to out-of-state corporations, not the homeless. vote no on prop 27. it's a broken promise. this sunday my interview with vice president kamala harris the vice president opens up on the threat posed by election deniers. >> i think that we have to admit that there are attacks from within and we need to take it seriously. >> on the rightward shift of the supreme court. >> i think this is an activist court. >> and its abortion decision. >> it is not right that we take a constitutional right from the women of america and deprive them of the ability to make decisions about their own body and instead say the government is in a better position to do that. >> on eliminating the filibuster for abortion and voting rights. >> and the president has been

very clear, he will sign into law and not let the filibuster get in the way. >> on january 6th. and those top secret documents at mar-a-lago. >> what do you say to the argument that it would be too divisive for the country to prosecute a president. >> and on her plans for 2024. plus, with less than two months to go to the midterms, independent voters speak out on whether biden should run for reelection. >> wow, you guys were all no's. and what they think of today's gop. >> i just -- i don't recognize that party anymore. joining mow for insight and analysis are former democratic senator claire mccaskill, yamiche alcindor moderator of "washington week on pbs. matt foreman and amy walter editor in chief of the cook political report welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press. >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this

is "meet the press" with chuck todd. and a good sunday morning. there's been no shortage of unkind things said about the job of vice president of the united states and many of those things have been said by vice presidents the most famous may have come from the first, john adams i am vice president, he said, in this i am nothing but i may be everything the number one job of the vice president is to be a good number two, to help make progress without making waves, and after 20 months kamala harris is familiar with the position's unique challenges. she was seen as a new symbol of a racially diverse country, but as president biden's approval ratings fell, so did hear's. she's been tasked with some intractable assignments from enacting national voting reform to solving the immigration crisis at the border some of her supporters and there are quite a few, argue she's been set up to fail on some of those issues but she's also well-positioned to become president some day

why? 15 vice presidents already have, including our current president who was a former president vice president. today is september 11th, it was 21 years ago that we were attacked by foreign terrorists not quite 20 years after 9/11 the capitol came under attack from domestic terrorists with a 9/11 anniversary in mind i sat down with vice president harris on friday at the johnson space center in houston. she was there to talk about the space program in general and to speak with some astronauts on the international space station. i began by asking the vice president about how over two decades our focus has had to shift from foreign terror to the threat from within >> i think it is very dangerous and i think it is very harmful and it makes us weaker you know, i have -- i have met with and i have had conversations with over 100 foreign heads of state, presidents, prime ministers,

chancellors, kings, and, you know, when we as the united states walk into those rooms around the world, we have had the honor and privilege historically of holding our head up as a defender an an example of a great democracy and that then gives us the legitimacy and the standing to talk about the importance of democratic principles, rule of law, human rights. and one of the things, though, that comes with that privilege is that we hold ourselves out to be a role model, which means the rest of the world, like any role model, watches what we do to see if it matches up with what we say. so you look at everything from the fact that there are 11 people right now running for secretary of state, the keepers of the integrity of the voting system of their state, who are

election deniers you've got -- >> and what's that sending -- what message does that send to the world? >> couple that with people who hold some of the highest elected offices in our country who refuse to condemn an insurrection on january 6th. i think what it sends is a signal that causes people to question, hey, is america still valuing what they talk about, which is the integrity of democracies, which means protecting rule of law and the sanctity of these systems and speaking up when they are attacked and i'm very concerned about it, chuck. i will tell you i'm very concerned about it because there are so many issues going on in the world that i think require at least how we as americans have traditionally thought about what is right, what is good, what should be fought for, what should be human ideals and certainly the ideals of

democracies, and i think that through the process of what we've been through we're starting to allow people to call into question our commitment to those principles, and that's a shame. >> nearly 70% of republicans don't believe that the president and yourself won the 2020 election legitimately. do you think you will ever be able to change their minds >> i find that polling interesting and i'm going to tell you why i'm traveling the country, we're here in houston, i was in, you know, north carolina, i was in -- i mean, i've been traveling all over the country i don't find that. i don't get that kind of sense or feedback. >> do you think you've talked to a lot of republicans >> i think italked to a lot of americans. >> okay. >> and i will tell you when i talk to folks and they know that, for example, there was a bipartisan infrastructure law that, you know, in durham is

going to fix i-40 or here in houston is going to fix telephone road, those are some of their priorities. when i talk to people about what we're doing that we're going to make sure, especially after the pandemic, that all families, all working families, have access to affordable high speed internet and they're going to -- we're going to bring the cost of it down, less $30 a month, plus people will get a $100 voucher to buy a laptop or an ipad, people want to hear that look what happened in kansas on the issue of choice. people, whoever they voted for in the last election or in the next, stood up and said it is not right that we take a constitutional right from the women of america and deprive them of the ability to make decisions about their own body and instead say the government is in a better position to do that. >> you say you take issue with this idea that there are 70% -- >> i just don't experience that. >> you don't experience it you don't know if they exist >> i think that -- >> or you think they just say

it >> i'm not -- i would not dare tell anyone what they should think. i'm just telling you that i do believe that when it comes down to the things that wake people up in the middle of the night, that worry them about their future, about their family, about their children or their parents, most of those issues they think of not through the lens of the party with which they're registered to vote. >> what is a semi-fascist? >> listen, i think that when we -- let's not get caught up in -- in -- in politicizing the fact that most people in america know that it is not helpful to our country when we have people who are denying elections or trying to obstruct the outcome of an election where the largest number of people in our country voted for the president of the united states. when we look at where we are i think that we have to admit that there are attacks from within,

to your first question, and we need to take it seriously, and we need to stand up together, all of us, and think of this not through partisan lens, but as americans. >> i think back to the president's inaugural address and he said the following, politics need not be a raging fire destroying everything in its path, and then i think about the construction, the language construction he used with semi-fascist and i understand the dilemma, you have to call it out in order to bring the country together, but it's hard to do both at the same time, isn't it >> well, here is the thing, i mean, let's talk about our president for a moment joe biden has spent his entire career -- it is on for all to see -- working across the aisle. his whole career, sometimes he's been criticized for believing in bipartisanship, for believing in compromise, for believing in working across the aisle,

finding common ground. his whole career has been that but there are moments in time when we have to also agree all good people who care about our country that there are those who right now are vividly not defending our democracy, and i think we want that our commender in chief, the president of the united states, will speak up and raise the alarm about what this means to our strength and our future, much less our integrity. >> i'm curious when you see the democratic party and some parts of the party funding ads to promote some of these election deniers in primaries, whether it's michigan, the high-profile race there, illinois, colorado, new hampshire. it looks like a cynical -- you know, a little bit cynical and the president went out of his way to say there are good republicans here

should you leave the good republicans alone in a primary is the democratic party making a mistake here by, you know, those people could win if you are not careful >> i mean, listen, i'm not going to tell people how to run their campaigns, you know. i ran -- in terms of statewide office -- >> would you have done this? would you have done this is this something you would be comfortable with >> i'm not going to tell people how to run their campaigns, chuck. i ran for statewide for attorney general reelection, won both times, for senate, won that race, and i know that it is best to let a candidate along with their advisers, let them make the decision based on what they believe is in the best interest of their state i'm not going to tell people what to do that way. >> you are afraid that this reflects bad on democrats. >> in 60 days of this interview, in less than two months, we are looking at a midterm election in

which so much is on the line take, for example, the issue of choice the united states supreme court in the dobbs decision just took a constitutionalright that had been recognized from the women of america, from the people of america. well, how does that relate to the midterms our president has said he will not let the filibuster get in the way. if the senate through a majority vote votes to pass the women's health protection act, he will sign it into law do you know what that means in the midterms we need to hold on to the senate and get two more and then we can put into law the protections of roe v. wade. everything is on the line when you think about the millions of women and people in america who care about them, who understand the significance of protecting a woman's right to make decisions about her own body instead of her government telling her what to do. >> 52 senate seats, legislative

filibuster gone or just on this issue? >> the president has been clear, on this issue and on a very important issue in addition to that important issue, which is voting rights. and the president has been very clear. he will sign into law and not let the filibuster get in the way the john lewis voting rights advancement act and the freedom to vote act because what is happening in our country, in states around the country, including this very state, they are passing laws making it more difficult for people to vote, and so our president has said we need to have protections to make sure that every american, whoever they vote for, has the unobstructed ability to do that when it is otherwise their right. so everything is on the line in these elections in just less than two months. >> when you were a senator you weren't ready to get rid of the legislative filibuster as of 2017 what has changed

>> well, let's talk about what we have seen around the country, in particular after i , together with joe biden, when we won and he became president and i became vice president, which was as a result of some of the highest number of people voting that have ever voted in a presidential election and then you almost saw, almost immediately, so-called extremist leaders around the country starting to pass laws making it more difficult for people to vote, because i guess it worried them that people realized, hey, i'm working two jobs, but a drop box makes it easier for me to fill out the ballot in the middle of the night and go drop it off instead of standing in line hey, voting by mail, especially if i have -- if i have disabilities, physical disabilities that make it more difficult for me to stand in line for four hours, i can vote by mail. i think that scared some people

that the american people were voting in such large numbers. >> are you comfortable that this could end the legislative filibuster for good probably even if you only try to do it for two i have been use that it will end up getting rid of it? >> no. >> you think it will be held in place on other issues? >> i think that that is very likely, yes. >> how much of former president trump's status as a former president and potential 2024 candidate, how much did that factor into the decision to charge him >> i wouldn't dare tell the department of justice what to do as a former prosecutor i will tell you i am not in the business of telling a prosecutor what to do with their case because they know best the facts and the evidence as applied to the law and so i'm not going to tell them what to do and certainly the president and i and our administration, unlike the previous administration, have been very, very careful to make sure that there is no question about any kind of

interference in terms of the decisions that the department of justice makes. >> all right >> in that regard. >> let me try to go to 60,000 feet what do you say to the argument that it would be too divisive for the country to prosecute a former president >> i think that our country is a country that has gone through different periods of time where the unthinkable has happened and where there has been a call for justice and justice has been se served, and i think that's potentially going to always be the case in our country, that people are going to demand justice and they rightly do. >> have you thought about -- have you thought through the scenarios that you might face on january 6, 2025? >> not at all. no i mean -- well, listen, what have i thought about i have thought about the fact that right now we have an election in less than two months

and if we are going to look at timelines that's one of the most immediate timelines. >> i know, but, i mean, have you thought about how you might handle a certification that did not reflect the outcome of the popular vote in the state? >> i haven't gotten to that point yet. i have to believe that -- that the united states congress and all people who have taken an oath to defend our democracy will ensure and will stand up against anyone who tries to -- to destroy or circumvent the rules and the practices and procedures that we have had in place that have allowed a peaceful transfer of power since the inception of our nation and the founding of our nation getting back to the ultimate point, that is -- that is what we're talking about when we think about january 6th.

we have always had a peaceful transfer of power in our nation, no matter our differences, no matter how -- >> you can't say that now, with can he. >> -- in campaigns -- >> can we say that now >> certainly we -- we were on the verge of having a very different outcome and the injury was still an injury, for which we still are experiencing the wound. >> when we come back, more of my sit-down with the vice president, including what she thinks of the supreme court, after the overturning of roe v. wade >> i think this is an activist court. >> what does that mean how am i looking? looking good! the most cautious driver we got am i there? no keep going how's that? i'll say when now? is that good? lots of cars have backup cameras now you know those are for amateurs there we go like a glove, girl (phone chimes) safe driving and drivewise can save you 40% with allstate

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greenhouse emissions and of course eliminated the right to an abortion. when i asked the vice president about her views on the court, she had a ready answer. >> we have some polling that shows confidence in the supreme court is at its lowest level that we've measured in over 20 years. how much confidence do you have in the supreme court >> even this is an activist court. >> what does that mean >> it means that we had an established right for almost half a century, which is the right of women to make decisions about their own body as an extension of what we have decided to be the privacy rights that we are all entitled and that court took that constitutional right away and we are suffering as a nation because of it. that causes me great concern about the integrity of the court

overall especially as someone whose life was inspired by the work of thurgood marshall, work of earl warren to bring a unanimous court to pass brown v. board of education this was the court who once sat thurgood marshall, sandra day o'connor it's a very different court. >> there's a bill in the senate o'connor it's a very different court. senate kaine and senator collins are working on that they say would essentially codify what roe was, protect the right to abortion at 24 weeks and include some religious exemptions. if that's the bill that can pass the senate, are you okay with it >> i'd have to read it and see the details obviously matter. >> some abortion rights groups have not been as high on it as the other bill that didn't the

susan collins' support this should get lisa murkowski and susan collins of the senate. is it more important to the republican votes >> ideally we codify roe, we put into law a protection for what i believe is a constitutional right for women to make these decisions. and it would be bipartisan ideally, yes, it would be bipartisan. >> do you believe the government should put any limit on abortion >> i believe government should not be tell women what to do with their bodies. i believe government should not be tell women how to plan their families i believe government should not be criminalizing health care providers. i believe government should not be saying no exception for rape or incest. as a prosecutor, former prosecutor who specialized in

child sexual assault cases understanding the violence that occurs against women and children, and then to further subject them to those kind of inhumane conditions, that's what i believe. >> final topic here. we're here in texas, i want to ask you about the border would you call the border secure >> i think that there is no question that we have to do what the president and i asked the congress to do the first request we made, pass a bill to create a pathway to citizenship. the border is secure, but we also have a broken immigration system, in particular over the last four years before we came in, and it needs to be fixed. >> we'll have 2 million people cross this border for the first you're confident this border time ever. you're confident this border is

secure >> we have a secure border in that that is a priority for any nation, including ours and our administration but there are still a lot of problems that we are trying to fix. given the deterioration that happened over the last four years. we also have to put in place a law and a plan for a pathway for citizenship for the millions of people who are here and are prepared to do what is legally required to gain citizenship we don't have that in place because people are playing politics in a state like this and in congress -- by the way, you want to talk about bipartisanship, on an issue that at one time was a bipartisan issue. both in terms of republican senators and even presidents. >> right now one of our inflationary problems is we don't have enough labor. >> you're right. >> a solution on immigration reform that increased

inflation. particularly lower wage labor could have an impact on lowering inflation. how is that not the motivate force to the something done here >> i do believe that for all reasonable people, all reasonable people are motivated and desirous that we would get something done i think a big part of the problem is there's been political gamesmanship with this issue, suggesting that it's a zero sum game. if you want to deal with the issue, there are practical solutions, which include creating a pathway to citizenship, fixing a broken immigration system, deal with the root causes of why people are flee their home, when most people don't want to leave home and if they do, it's because they're fleeing some harm or simply can't take of their basic needs if they stay there are solutions. and, sadly, this has become such a partisan issue instead of something we work on together

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welcome back. the panel is here. yammish alcindor, amy walter, editor in chief of the cook political report, matt gorman and former democratic senator claire mccaskill. welcome all. i'll shut up. yamiche, initial reaction. >> my initial reaction to the interview is that she really wanted to the across how concerned she is about the staet of the country. she talked about the activist court in the supreme court but it's also a shame, that's the word that she used, when you think about election deniers being elected all over the country and the state of democracy. i was struck by the fact that she said she didn't have experience with the idea that 70% of republicans don't believe that she and president biden were fairly elected and she

hadn't thought about 2025 if she was presented with election results that didn't reflect what the people voted on. i can tell you a lot of republicans around this country, especially the ones showing up to campaign rallies, they do not believe that she and president biden were elected fairly. it's a big, big issue, a divisive one, but one that's real. so i see that on the ground when i'm reporting. but you can tell that the vice president absolutely is really concerned about that and hopes that this country can figure out how to move forward. >> but doesn't that also -- it melds perfectly with the case that president biden is trying to make in this election, which is the folks who do believe the election was stolen or overturned are in the minority. we are bigger than we are, uniting the soul of measure, that piece of the conversation. so in some ways it's a way to react to suggestions that that speech was too divisive by call

semi fascism and maga america. we're really separate a very small portion of the republican party from the bigger american electorate that maybe 70% of americans say they believe this, but i don't buy that. i buy that we're stronger than that and more united than that. >> i got the impression she didn't like having to define semi fascismfascism. >> no. to your point, it pointed out this whole strategy from biden, it's very ham handed. he goes and says everyone is semi fascist, and walks it back. maga, now you have her seem to walk this back. it's incongruous. if you're so concerned about that, what about colorado's senate, new hampshire's senate, peter meijer voted to impeach trump, well, he's gone so it

rings hollow. >> claire. >> first of all, i thought she did a terrific job in the interview. i think she has had a rough road to go. i remember distinctly, chuck, being in the cloakroom in the first two years of the biden vice presidency and how many of my colleagues were looking down their noses at joe biden. >> mock him? >> mocking him. it's a hard, hard job, the vice presidency. it's even harder, i think, if you are a woman in that job who is seen as an opponent by a lot of the insiders in washington for the presidency. and so there's a lot of chattering behind the scenes of trying to diss kamala harris. i think this interview shows that maybe all the dissing of kamala harris is way premature. i think she did a good job and stood strong. >> i want to point out the court stuff. we heard from the chief justice, john roberts, on friday about this issue of court legitimacy.

you heard what she called the court. here's his defense. >> the court has always decided controversial cases. the decisions have always been subject to intense criticism. and that is entirely appropriate. but i don't understand the connection between opinions that people disagree with and the legitimacy of the court. >> claire, i'm going to let you go first on this one. this is one you're like i guess he did not follow the confirmation process. >> he's so out of touch. this shows why the numbers for the supreme court are so bad. for him to say something like that, he doesn't get it. you don't take away a right that's been around 50 years and have a party go to extremes to make sure rape victims have to have forced birth. you don't do that and have it

splash back on the supreme court. they all said they confirmed precedent. i heard them, america heard them. you can feel me get angry at john roberts right now because he knows better when he says that stuff. >> he is trying to defend the court and it is get harder and harder for hem. >> he does. he wanted to depoliticize the court. is the court more politicized or are we. if the court had upheld roe, you wouldn't be hearing that. i think activism is lying in the eye of the beholder right now. we're in a position where if you don't like it, it's not about the decision, it's about the legitimacy. >> by the way, is court a better issue than abortion specifically? >> is court a better issue than abortion? i will say that when i talk to women on the campaign trail, they're attacking the court and attacking the fact that they do not feel they have the rights to their body. i'm talking about republican

women, especially young republican women have come up and said i voted for former president trump but i now feel like this big government is in my doctor's office and i will now for the first time be voting for a democrat. i've heard that in ohio, in missouri, in michigan and other places because women in this country, i feel this passion and anger from them. it cuts across political lines. >> that's the thing. we've been throwing around the term pro life and pro choice forever. >> these are meaningless labels now. >> the number of women that i refer to who say i'm pro life but i didn't think that meant no exemptions. or i'm pro choice but i do believe in some of these restrictions. there should be some sort of framework here. so we -- i think, again, we've been debating this in a way that voters don't talk about it. >> do you think the gop has to change how they're talking about this? >> i don't think it's an issue in 2020 at all.

i talk to republicans who see these internal polls and it is not in the top four issues. last month it was 8%, under climate change. >> don't you think democracy is share some of those? those who are concerned about the abortion decision maybe are in the democracy category? >> i don't know how the question was phrased. but i think with abortion and threats to democracy, we tend to say it's democratic base angry at trump or pro choice angry at the decision. it could be a voter so thankful pro life or folks in the republican base saying biden is on the way to socialism. >> i can say as someone who's out on the campaign trail. if you ask about health care or the staet of democracy, abortion comes up 90% of the time. abortion is absolutely an issue along with inflation -- >> i hope -- i hope matt keeps satisfying that everywhere he

goes, that abortion really isn't an issue in this election. i think it is exactly what infuriates women when they hear that. you're asking a poll what's the most important issue. you may not be comfortable saying abortion. if you say to a woman we are now in your state forcing incest victims to give birth, doctors having to make life and death decisions over whether they go to prison or take care of their patient, that is motivating voters and it will in november. >> i think an underrated declaration is her position on the filibuster. >> i think the filibuster is on life support. i think if the democrats pick up more seats, i think it will probably go away. and frankly, i think it will probably go away if the republicans take control. >> do you think that? >> they should change the filibuster right before the election. the polls look pretty good for republicans. it could, but i did it would be

a massive mistake. they overreach and the pendulum goes right back. without a filibuster, republicans will take that to senate. >> amy, we know how this works. >> the idea there's a carve-out, that is impossible. it's either there or it's not there. >> when we come back, we're going to get a little hint ♪ it's the most wonderful time of the year ♪ claritin provides non-drowsy symptom relief from over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens, day after day.

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welcome back. there is always speculation around a vice president of the united states that he or she would like to lose the word "vice" from their title and become president some day. kamala harris is no exception to that speculation, particularly since joe biden is the oldest president in american history. so naturally, i asked her about what she sees as her future. >> 2024, should we expect some form of announcement from the president and yourself after the midterps, receipt after the midterms, sort of that traditional time? >> you're talking about the election? >> yeah. >> listen, the president has been very clear that he intends to run again. and if he does, i will be running with him probably. >> why do you say probably?

>> i said proudly. >> oh, i'm sorry, i thought i heard probably. >> proudly. i'm very proud to be his vice president. >> there is no job description other than tie-breaker vote in the senate, which you're now the record holder over john adams when it comes to tie-breaking thought. >> who would have thought this kid born in oakland, california, broke a record of john adams. >> how do you prepare in case of the worst-case scenario that your job may hand you? how do you prepare for that? >> well, i pray that it does not. listen, i think that there is no question that the role and the responsibility of a vice president is a very important one. and joe biden knows that more than anybody. he and i talk about it. and it is the job of working

with the president, doing what i can to be a great partner, to take on and help take on some of the biggest issues that impact our country, both domestically and in terms of foreign policy. and so that's the work that i do, so that has been the work of meeting with over a hundred heads of state around various issues, be it ukraine or what we need to do around our space program. so that is the work of a vice president. and it is important and it is something that i take very seriously. >> i want to ask you one final question and it's a little off the beaten path. but jackson, mississippi, and it's more of a here we are, the united states of america. this is a capital city of one of our 50 states. >> it's tragic what's happened. it's tragic. >> state, city, federal, everybody has let these people down, haven't they? >> well, i've talked to the mayor and the president has talked to him and we have -- the

governor there has declared a state of emergency. fema is sending in -- >> everybody is trying now, but isn't that the frustration, it's now? >> however, it is a jackson, mississippi, that is an example of why we were pushing for the infrastructure law that now is the law of the land, so that we are sending billions of dollars to places like jackson to upgrade what is a decaying infrastructure across our country. and so help is coming, because we actually came into office knowing that generations of leaders have been talking about fencing america's infrastructure and failed. and we actually got it done. >> you know see my entire interview with vice president kamala harris without edits, including what she says about her relationship with president biden. that will be on our website, meetthepress.com. also, we are running season four, a marathon of our half-hour magazine show "meet

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