this sunday, my interview with vice president kamala harris. the vice president opens up on the threat posed by election deniers. >> i think that we have to admit that there are attacks from within and we need to take it seriously. >> and the right-wing shift to the supreme court. >> i think this is an activist court. >> and its abortion decision. >> it is not right that we take a constitutional right from the women of america. >> on eliminate the filibuster

on abortion and vote rights. >> the president has been very clear. he will sign into law and not let the filibuster get in the way. >> on january 6th and the top secret documents from mar-a-lago. >> what do you say of the argument that it would be too divisive. >> and on plans for 2024. with less than two months to go to the midterms, independent voters speak out on whether president biden should run for re-election, and what they think of today's gop. >> i don't recognize that party anymore. >> joining me for insight and analysis are former democrat senator claire mccaskill, yamiche alcindor, and amy walter. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in

television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. and a good sunday morning. there's been no shortage of unkind things said about the vice president. the first may have come from john adams. i am vice president he said. in this i am nothing but i may be everything. the number one job of the vice president is to be a good number two, to help make progress without making waves. after 20 months, kamala harris is familiar with the position's unique challenges. she was seen as a new symbol of a racially diverse country, but as president biden's approval ratings fell, so did hers. she's been tasked with some intractable assignments, from enacting national voting reform to solving the immigration crisis at the border. some of her supporters saying she's being set up to fail. she's also well positioned to

become president one day. why? 15 vice presidents have, including our current president who was a former vice president. today is september 11th. it was 21 years ago we were attacked by foreign terrorists. then we were attacked by domestic terrorists. with the anniversary in mind i sat down with vice president haers at the space center in houston of she was there to talk about the space program in general and speak with some astronauts on the international space station. i began by asking the vice president about how over two decades our focus has had to shift from foreign terror to the threat from within. >> i think it is very dangerous and i think it is very harmful. and it makes us weaker. you know, i have met with and i've had conversations with over 100 foreign heads of state. presidents, prime ministers,

chancellors, kings. and, you know, when we as the united states walk into those rooms around the world, we have had the honor and privilege historically of hold our head up as a defender and an example of a great democracy. and that then gives us the legitimacy and the standing to talk about the importance of democratic principles, rule of law, human rights. one of the things that comes with that privilege is that we hold ourselves out to be a role model, which means the rest of the world, like any role model, watches what we do to see if it matches up with what we say. so you look at everything from the fact there are 11 people right now running for secretary of state, the keepers of the integrity of the vote system of their state, who are election

deniers. you've got -- >> and what's that sending, what message does that send to the world? >> couple that with some of the people holding some of the highest offices in our country who refuse to condemn an insur insurrection on january 6th. it causes people to value, hey, is america still valuing what they talk about, which is the integrity of democracies, which means protecting rule of law and the sanctity of these systems and speaking up when they are attacked. and i'm very concerned about it, chuck. i'm very concerned about it. there's so many issues going on in the world that how we as americans traditionally have thought about what is right, what is good, what should be fought for, what should be human ideals, and certainly the ideals

of democracies. i think that through the process of what we've been through, we're start to allow people to call into question our commitment to those principles and that's a shame. >> nearly 70% of republicans don't believe that the president and yourself won the 2020 election legitimately. do you know you'll ever be able to change their minds? >> i find that polling interesting. and i'm going to tell you why. i'm traveling the country. we're here in houston. i was in north carolina, i was -- i mean i've been travel all over the country. i don't find that. i don't the that kind of sense or feedback. >> do you talk to a lot of republicans? >> i talk to a lot of americans. when i talk to folks and they know for example there was a

bipartisan infrastructure law that in durham is going to fix i-40 or here in houston is going to fix telephone road, those are some of their priorities. when i talk to people that what we're doing especially after the pandemic that all families, all working families have access to high-speed internet and we'll bring it down less $30 a month and people will get a $100 voucher to buy a laptop or ipad, people want to hear that. look what happened in kansas on the issue of choice. people, whoever they voted for in the last election or the next, stood up and said it is not right that we take a constitutional right from the women of america and deprive them to make decisions about their own body and saying government is in a better position to do that. >> you don't experience it?

you don't think that they exist? >> i would not dare tell anyone what they should think. i'm just tell you that i do believe when it comes down to the things this weak people up in the middle of the night, that worry them about their future or their children or their parents, they think of those not through the lens of the party with which they're registered to vote. >> what is a semi fascist? >> listen, let's not get caught up in politicizing the fact that most people in america know that it is not helpful to our country when we have people denying elections or trying to obstruct the outcome of an election where the largest number of people of our country voted for the president of the united states. and when we look at where we are, i think that we have to

admit that there are attacks from within, to your first question, and we need to take it seriously and we need to stand up together, all of us, and think of this not through partisan lens but as americans. >> i think back to the president's inaugural address and he said the follow. politics need not be a raging fire destroying everything in its path. i think about the language constructions he used with semi fascists. i understand the dilemma. you've got to call it out in order to bring the country together. but it's hard to do both at the same time, isn't it? >> well, here's the thing. let's talk about our president for a moment. joe biden has spent his entire career, it is on for all to see, working across the aisle. his whole career. sometimes he's been criticized for believing in bipartisanship, for believe in compromise, for believing in working across the

aisle, finding common ground. his whole career has been that. but there are moments in time when we have to also agree all good people who care about our country, that there are those who right now are vividly not defending our democracy. and i know we want our commander in chief, that the president of the united states will speak up and raise the alarm about what this means to our strength and our future, much less our integrity. >> i'm curious, when you see the democratic party and some parts of the party funding ads to promote election deniers whether it's michigan, the high-profile race there, illinois, colorado, new hampshire, it looks like a cynical -- you know, a little bit cynical. the president went out of his way to say there are good republicans here.

should you leave the good republicans alone in a primary? is the democratic party making a mistake here? those people could win if you're not careful. >> listen. i'm not going to tell people how to run their campaigns. i ran in terms of statewide office. >> would you have done this? would you have done this? is this something you'd be comfortable doing? >> i'm not going to tell people how to run their campaigns, chuck. i ran for statewide, for attorney general re-election, run for senate and won that race. i know that it is best to let a candidate along with their advisers, let them make the decision based on what they believe is in the best interest of their state. i'm not going to tell people what to do. >> you're not worried that this reflects poorly on the democrats? >> i think what we have to focus on is that within 60 days of this interview, in less than two months, we are looking at a

midterm election in which so much is on the line. take, for example, the issue of choice. the united states supreme court in the dobbs decision just took a constitutional right that had been recognized from the women of america, from the people of america. well, how does that relate to the midterms? our president has said he will not let the filibuster get in the way. if the senate through a majority vote votes to pass the women's health protection act, he will sign it into law. you know what that means in the midterms? we need to hold on to the senate and get two more and then we can put into law the protection of roe vvmt wade. everything is on the line when you think about the women in america and the significant of protecting a woman's right to make decisions about her own body instead of the government

tell her what to do. >> 52 seats or more legislative filibuster gone or just this issue. >> the president has clear, on this issue and on vote rights of the president has been very clear. he will sign into law and not let the filibuster get in the way the voting act. what is happening in our country, in states including this very state, they are passing laws making it more difficult for people to vote. and so our president has said we need to have protections to make sure that every american, whoever they vote for, has the unobstructed ability to do that when it is otherwise their right. so everything is on the line in these elections. in just less than two months. >> when you were a senator, you weren't ready to the rid of the legislative filibuster as of

2017. what has changed? >> well, let's talk about what we have seen around the country in particular after i together with joe biden, when we won and he became president and i became vice president, which was as a result of some of the highest number of people voting that have ever voted in a presidential election. and then you almost saw, almost immediately so-called extremist leaders around the country starting to pass laws making it more difficult for people to vote, because i guess it worried them that people realized, hey, i'm working two jobs but a drop box makes it easier for me to fill out the ballot in the middle of the night and drop it off instead of standing in line. hey, vote by mail, especially if i have disabilities, physical disabilities that make it more difficult for me to stand in line for four hours, i can vote

by mail. i think that scared some people that the american people were vote in such large numbers. >> are you comfortable this could end the legislative fell buster for good if you try to do it for two issues? >> no, i'm not. >> do you think it will be held in place on other issues? >> i think that is very likely, yes. >> how much should former president trump's status as a former president and potential 2024 candidate, how much should that factor into the decision to charge him? >> i wouldn't dare tell the department of justice what to do. as a former prosecutor, i will tell you i am not in the business of telling a prosecutor what to do with their case, because they know best the facts and the evidence as applied to the law so i'm not go to tell them what to do. certainly the president and i and our administration, unlike the previous administration, have been very, very careful to make sure that there is no question about any kind of

interference in terms of the decisions that the department of justice makes in that regard. >> all right. but let me try to go to 60,000 feet. what do you say to the argument that it would be too divisive to prosecute a former president? >> i think that our country is a country that has gone through different periods of time where the unthinkable has happened and where there has been a call for justice, and justice has been served. and i know that's potentially always going to be the case in our country. people well demand justice and they rightly do. >> have you thought through the scenarios that you might face on january 6, 2025? >> not at all. no. i mean -- listen, what have i thought about? i have thought about the fact that right now we have an

election in less than two months. if we're going to look at time lines, that's one of the most immediate ones. >> have you thought about how you might handle a certification that did not reflect the outcome of the popular vote in the state? >> i haven't gone to that point yet. i have to believe that the united states congress and all the people who have taken an oath to defend our democracy will ensure and will stand up against anyone who tries to destroy or circumvent the rules and practices that we have had in place that have allowed a peaceful transfer of power since the founding of our nation of the and get -- and get back to the ultimate point, that is what we're talking about when we think about january 6th.

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an abortion. when i asked the vice president about her views on the court, she had a ready answer. >> we have some polling that shows confidence in the supreme court is at its lowest level that we've measured in over 20 years. how much confidence do you have in the supreme court? >> even this is an activist court. >> what does that mean? >> it means that we had an established right for almost half a century, which is the right of women to make decisions about their own body as an extension of what we have decided to be the privacy rights that we are all entitled and that court took that constitutional right away and we are suffering as a nation because of it.

that causes me great concern about the integrity of the court overall especially as someone whose life was inspired by the work of thurgood marshall, work of earl warren to bring a unanimous court to pass brown v. board of education. this was the court who once sat thurgood marshall, sandra day o'connor. it's a very different court. >> there's a bill in the senate, senate kaine and senator collins are working on that they say would essentially codify what roe was, protect the right to abortion at 24 weeks and include some religious exemptions. if that's the bill that can pass the senate, are you okay with it? >> i'd have to read it and see. the details obviously matter. >> some abortion rights groups

have not been as high on it as the other bill that didn't the susan collins' support. this should get lisa murkowski and susan collins of the senate. is it more important to the republican votes? >> ideally we codify roe, we put into law a protection for what i believe is a constitutional right for women to make these decisions. and it would be bipartisan. ideally, yes, it would be bipartisan. >> do you believe the government should put any limit on abortion? >> i believe government should not be tell women what to do with their bodies. i believe government should not be tell women how to plan their families. i believe government should not be criminalizing health care providers. i believe government should not be saying no exception for rape or incest. as a prosecutor, former prosecutor who specialized in child sexual assault cases understanding the violence that

occurs against women and children, and then to further subject them to those kind of inhumane conditions, that's what i believe. >> final topic here. we're here in texas, i want to ask you about the border. would you call the border secure? >> i think that there is no question that we have to do what the president and i asked the congress to do. the first request we made, pass a bill to create a pathway to citizenship. the border is secure, but we also have a broken immigration system, in particular over the last four years before we came in, and it needs to be fixed. >> we'll have 2 million people cross this border for the first time ever. you're confident this border is secure? >> we have a secure border in that that is a priority for any

nation, including ours and our administration. but there are still a lot of problems that we are trying to fix. given the deterioration that happened over the last four years. we also have to put in place a law and a plan for a pathway for citizenship for the millions of people who are here and are prepared to do what is legally required to gain citizenship. we don't have that in place because people are playing politics in a state like this and in congress -- by the way, you want to talk about bipartisanship, on an issue that at one time was a bipartisan issue. both in terms of republican senators and even presidents. >> right now one of our inflationary problems is we don't have enough labor. >> you're right. >> a solution on immigration reform that increased

particularly lower wage labor could have an impact on lowering inflation. how is that not the motivate force to the something done here? >> i do believe that for all reasonable people, all reasonable people are motivated and desirous that we would get something done. i think a big part of the problem is there's been political gamesmanship with this issue, suggesting that it's a zero sum game. if you want to deal with the issue, there are practical solutions, which include creating a pathway to citizenship, fixing a broken immigration system, deal with the root causes of why people are flee their home, when most people don't want to leave home and if they do, it's because they're fleeing some harm or simply can't take of their basic needs if they stay. there are solutions. and, sadly, this has become such a partisan issue instead of

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welcome back. the panel is here. yammish alcindor, amy walter, editor in chief of the cook political report, matt gorman and former democratic senator claire mccaskill. welcome all. i'll shut up. yamiche, initial reaction. >> my initial reaction to the interview is that she really wanted to the across how concerned she is about the staet of the country. she talked about the activist court in the supreme court but it's also a shame, that's the word that she used, when you think about election deniers being elected all over the country and the state of democracy. i was struck by the fact that she said she didn't have experience with the idea that 70% of republicans don't believe that she and president biden were fairly elected and she hadn't thought about 2025 if she

was presented with election results that didn't reflect what the people voted on. i can tell you a lot of republicans around this country, especially the ones showing up to campaign rallies, they do not believe that she and president biden were elected fairly. it's a big, big issue, a divisive one, but one that's real. so i see that on the ground when i'm reporting. but you can tell that the vice president absolutely is really concerned about that and hopes that this country can figure out how to move forward. >> but doesn't that also -- it melds perfectly with the case that president biden is trying to make in this election, which is the folks who do believe the election was stolen or overturned are in the minority. we are bigger than we are, uniting the soul of measure, that piece of the conversation. so in some ways it's a way to react to suggestions that that speech was too divisive by call semi fascism and maga america.

we're really separate a very small portion of the republican party from the bigger american electorate that maybe 70% of americans say they believe this, but i don't buy that. i buy that we're stronger than that and more united than that. >> i got the impression she didn't like having to define semi fascismfascism. >> no. to your point, it pointed out this whole strategy from biden, it's very ham handed. he goes and says everyone is semi fascist, and walks it back. maga, now you have her seem to walk this back. it's incongruous. if you're so concerned about that, what about colorado's senate, new hampshire's senate, peter meijer voted to impeach trump, well, he's gone so it rings hollow.

>> claire. >> first of all, i thought she did a terrific job in the interview. i think she has had a chuck, being in the cloakroom in the first tdency and how many of my colleagues were looking down >> mock him? >> mocking him. it's a hard, hard job, the vice presidency. it's even harder, i think, if you are a woman in that job who is seen as an opponent by a lot of the insiders in washington for the presidency. and so there's a lot of chattering behind the scenes of trying to diss kamala harris. i think this interview shows that maybe all the dissing of kamala harris is way premature. i think she did a good job and stood strong. >> i want to point out the court stuff. we heard from the chief justice, john roberts, on friday about this issue of court legitimacy.

news special report. here is savannah guthrie. good morning from london. it is still early in the u.s., but we are in the 10:00 a.m. hour here in the uk and it is starting, it's in 70 years. days after the death of queen elizabeth the ceremonies to mark her passing are under way as charles steps into his new role as king. at this hour king charles iii is about to deliver remarks to a joint session of parliament after receiving condolences from the speakers of both chambers, currently hearing from the speaker of the house of commons. in a moment we will hear from king charles iii. yesterday officials moved the queen's coffin from herbal moral estate to the palace of holyroodhouse in scotland, the official residence of the monarchy. in an extraordinary six-hour journey through the roads and villages of scotland where

mourners lined the streets to say their final good-byes. later today king charles will travel to enden burring to lead a procession find his mother's casket as it is transported to saint giles cathedral. a joint session of parliament at westminster hall, the oldest part of westminster hall. this is not the just time he has addressed the joint session, he filled in for the queen at the opening of parliament but it is the first time he has done so as king, the first time in in room. >> my lourdes and members of the house of commons, i am deeply grateful for the addresses of condolence by the house of lourdes and the house of commons which so touchingly encompass what our late sovereign, my beloved mother, the queen, meant to us all.

as shakespeare said of the earlier queen elizabeth, she was a pattern to all princes living. as i stand before you today i cannot help but feel the weight of history which surrounds us and which reminds us of the vital parliamentary traditions to which members of both houses dedicate yourselves with such personal commitment for the betterment of us all. parliament is the living and breathing instrument of our democracy, that your traditions are ancient, we see in the construction of this great hall, and the reminders of medieval predecessors of the office to which i've been called. and the tangible connections to

my darling late mother, we see all around us, from the fountain in new palace yard which commemorates the late queen's silver jubilee, to the sun dial in old palace yard for the golden jubilee. magnificent stained glass window before me for the diamond jubilee and so poignantly and yet to be formally unveiled your most generous gift to her late majesty to mark the unprecedented platinum jubilee which we celebrated only three months ago with such joyful hearts. the great bell of big ben, one of the most powerful symbols of

our nation throughout the world and housed within the elizabeth tower, also named for my mother's diamond jubilee, will mark the passage of the late queen's progress from buckingham palace to this parliament on wednesday. my lourdes and members of the house of commons, we gather today in remembrance of the remarkable span of the queen's dedicated service to her nations and people's. while very young, her late majesty pledged herself to serve her country and her people and to maintain the precious principles of constitutional government which lie at the heart of our nation.

this vow she kept with unsurpassed devotion. she set an example of selfless duty which with god's help and your council's, i am resolved faithfully to follow. >> king charles iii in his first address to parliament as king, a joint session in the storied westminster hall, a rarity, and of course 70 years after his mother took the throne and addressed parliament in that very place. that is where later this week queen elizabeth ii will lie in state. now you can see the beauty and

the history within those walls. i go to wilfred frost who is behind us. let's pause for a moment as we hear the national anthem. [ playing "god save the king" ] >> "god save the king" ringing out in the storied halls of westminster this morning as king charles iii makes his first address as king to a joint session of parliament.

of course, accompanied by queen consort camilla as he refers to her, his darling wife, his companion through these next few days. this kwins king charles' tour of all of the nations of the united kingdom, he will head to scotland later today. wilfred frost is with me. that was a workmanlike speech, honoring and observing the place parliament has, head of government, head of state. it's interesting to note in the last week the uk has a new monarch, a new head of state and a new head of government, the prime minister liz truss. >> so much change and the first line of that speech he said thank you for your messages of condolence. that was a small part what have this ceremony was about. it was also to accept the loyalty of his politicians, which is a crucial part of this process because, of course, he is not elected and right there the politicians who are elected were formally saying we accept you as head of state.

this is traditionally taken place privately with just a small delegation of members of the house of lourdes and house of commons for the first time in the public and with all of them together. that 800 members of the house of lourdes, 650 elected members of the house of commons. her majesty the queen only addressed both fully gathered in westminster hall five times over 70 years, king charles getting right at it to his first occasion of this very, very rare gathering of both houses of parliament. >> we are watching as now king charles and queen consort camilla walk outside westminster hall. as mentioned they have travel on the schedule today. they will head to edinburgh where the queen's coffin lies at holyrood the official residence of the queen. they will get into his motorcade and head to the royal air force base which will take him by plane to scotland. let me turn to nbc's keir simmons. we've had the first official

statement from prince harry, keir. >> reporter: that's right, savannah. something of a split screen, isn't t as folks have been watching democracy there in full color in a hall that is so personal to king charles, going back 900 years, built by the son of william the conquerer, the place where charles i was put on trial. this has memories for the royal family and dramatic memories and then there is this drama playing out with prince harry, prince william. we saw those extraordinary pictures over the weekend, prince william and prince harry, kate and meghan together for the first time in years. people were delighted to see them. and now a very personal message from prince harry about the queen who, of course, he calls granny. let me just read a little bit of it for you, savannah. while this final parting brings us great sadness, i am forever grateful for all of our -- of our first meetings, for my

eldest childhood memories with you, to meeting you for the first time as my commander in chief, to the first moment you met my darling wife and hugged your beloved great-grandchildren. i cherish these times shared with you and the many other special moments in between. savannah, it's been remarked on in the past few days, can't be said enough, the queen would have been so delighted to see harry and william together. remember, she consoled them after the death of their mother. for them -- diana. for them to be brought together by her passing is something pretty special. we shall see if it is just a temporary truce, but it still is something to see, savannah. >> the wheels of the motorcade are rolling now. they will head to the air base where they will then fly to edinburgh, scotland. we will check in with tom llamas in a moment. i want to turn to historian

albert robert. >> first of all, of the course, you have the speakers of the house of lourdes and the house of commons speaking on behalf of both of them, both giving the condolence but also expressing their loyalty. the shear number of people that were there, the superb turnout from every political -- every political party across the spectrum underlines the sense of our constitutional monarchy being the result of a coming together of people willing to give up their powers -- residual powers -- in order to have real powers as far as the democratically elected house of commons. it is a vital part of our constitution. it hasn't happened for a very long time because of course the application crisis many that

there had been -- for condolences to be given. this is an old ceremony but one that hasn't been seen in public before, hasn't been televised and like the accession council it's very exciting for historians to be able to see such a thing. >> we are all historians today, andrew, as we watch history unfold together. as mentioned, king charles now proceeds to edinburgh, scotland, where he will meet up with other members of his family and the coffin of his mother queen elizabeth ii is now inside her majesty's palace in scotland, holyrood palace, and we will continue to watch that motorcade. i want to turn to tom llamas my colleague who is in edinburgh for us who can set the stage for what we will see later this morning. >> reporter: savannah, good morning. we are awaiting king charles and queen camilla. behind me this is the holyroodhouse the official residence of the queen in scotland. this is where she is lying in rest right now, being watched over by the honor guard outside,

the king's honor guard we should say. what we are expecting today in a few hours is going to be a very emotional and powerful ceremony. they will leave this palace and the hearse will leave with the queen's coffin and then the king and some of his other family members will walk the royal mile. we were there yesterday as the queen's coffin was brought in on the hearse, a mercedes-benz with a glass roof, you could see the coffin and the royal standard of scotland there. i was there with all the people. what's going to be different about this ceremony today and so powerful is that it's going to be so intimate. old town is a very small area, stone buildings, cobblestone roads and the wheels are going to be so close to the public that they can almost reach out and touch them. it's going to be incredibly intimate, very humbling. at saint giles the public will get their first chance to mourn the queen up close. they had been waiting hours for the moment yesterday to see her when she came into edinburgh. they will be waiting hours.

for people to see her at st. giles to expect to wait up to five hours. there are reports that when these events happen in london some people will have to wait up to 30 hours. again, what's going to be different about today is how close the public will get to both the king and the queen's coffin. >> tom, so sitting that she is being -- being laid to rest for the moment at that cathedral in scotland. she is so beloved in that country and spent so much time there, it's only fitting. we will check back in with you. we continue to watch the king's motorcade and i'm reliably told by the local next to me, wilfred frost, that perhaps the by righ where we are, buckingham palace, when they see the throngs of people lined up hoping to catch a glimpse of the new king and queen consort. it may be a quick stop by buckingham palace before they go on to the royal air base. >> they might not stop, these are the roads that they already closed. if they continue down the mile they will go past us in just a

moment. you asked tom about what's coming in the days ahead. he just went to get the consent of politicians -- >> let's take this shot -- >> -- as the four nations get the consent of the people. >> i want to tell our controller -- yeah, i think if we take this shot we will be able to see the king come by. let's wait for that for a moment. perhaps we can give a wave. >> there is king charles. >> king charles and queen camilla. i waved, but they didn't wave back. but they have a busy day ahead of them. >> quite -- quite astonishing. i mean, to see them so close, he has just received the consent of parliament and will continue his journey to scotland of course to be alongside his late mother's coffin. >> what's so interesting is to see this crowd, throngs of people, thousands of people, but what you hear is silence, fitting the moment. that concludes our coverage for now. we will have a lot more coming up on the "today" show.

for all of us at nbc news i'm savannah guthrie in london. this has been an nbc news special report. welcome back. the panel is back with us. i had a pretty busy week before i flew to houston to interview vice president harris, i went to the battleground state of arizona. this is the center of election denial on the gop side of things. 70% of voters that we polled said the country is on the wrong track. it wasn't surprising to hear them pretty sour on the state of our politics. here's what they had to say about the republican party. >> as a whole, i just -- i don't recognize that party anymore. >> what they're really promoting is not effective programs or strategies to fix our problems.

they're promoting distrust. >> a more perfect union. really that necessitates compromise, discussion and listening and i don't see that from a lot of the candidates on the ticket. >> you know, amy walter, i came away -- this is -- you know, arizona is fascinate. first of all, these voters were more focused on the secretary of state race with me than they are their senate race or gubernatorial race on that front. but i came away believing mark kelly is stronger than i thought and so is kari lake. >> right. and it's being on television, as she -- kari lake being a former tv anchor for 20 years, there is a sense from voters that i know this person. whatever is being said about them in attack ads, et cetera, well, maybe that's true but maybe it's just politics. she can't be like that because she's been in my living room the past 20 years.

but this is what's fascinate about arizona, it's a swing state and the voters there didn't expect to be a swing state. the two parties haven't accepted quite yet it's a swing state,en the republican party that is run by folks very much on the extreme. and so they continue to support, promote candidates who can't win the middle. now, kari lake may be an exception to this. but the kinds of candidates coming out especially on the senate side are the candidates that can't win those independent voter candidates. >> two of the voter panels were republicans, paul ryan republican. >> john mccain republicans. >> you watch in a vacuum and think kari lake has to be down ten and it's neck in neck. there's three counter forces. they're not ready to be a swing state yet. kelly came out of nowhere, he

was a celebrity. but katie hobbs is not a good candidate. you combine that with i think in the state we have economy and border security on our side as an issue. also we lose some of those white suburban voters, but we're gaining latino voters as well. so you have three forces. it counterbalances a lot of that. >> claire, arizona is fascinate when you have -- i do think it's also a libertarian state. there's so many odd cross currents that i think we're going to learn a lot. >> well, you know, maybe not. maybe we'll learn that candidates matter, which is not a new concept. >> fair enough. >> maybe we'll learn that extremes are not healthy for general elections. and i don't think that's a new thing. >> fair enough. >> i think more importantly what we're going to see, and this is what i really do believe, is that will we defy history by having the kind of turnout with the party who holds power and holds the presidency, well we

have the kind of turnout that we never have in midterms. that's what everybody should be looking at, i the only saying about midterms, it's all about who shows up. and that's what the struggle with midterms is get people to the polls. i think we have more motivation on the democratic side this year than anybody anticipated we would have. >> it feels a lot more like a '98 odd scenario that we had there. yamiche, let me play for you. i did ask them about 2024 and president biden. take a listen. >> 2024, joe biden, should he run? >> i don't think so. >> i honestly don't think so. >> all nos. >> i'm a bit on the fence because i'm not too sure who's going to fill the spots. >> that's the challenge. >> and i know that was the reason why i voted for him in the first place. it was a safer middle ground to pull us away from the extremism on either side.

>> i wanted to play that clip and remind people these really are independent voters. there is this -- in arizona, they really have been turned off by both parties. but the biden situation, you know, i've asked this question to swing voters think he's too run again. >> the key issue will be whether or not them thinking president biden is too old outweighs them thinking that the future of our democracy is on the line. when i talk to voters, even democrats who say biden, he's a little slower, he's a little quieter, i'm not sure if i want to back him. when they know about the state of our democracy, they think that's the bigger issue. in the nbc poll we saw people say the threats to democracy are their number one thing, even above cost of living. i think if you're a democrat and even joe biden thinking i understand people think i should be more lively, they use words unrecognizable, distrust and

there should be compromise. those are words that are worst for republicans especially when you think we might have a minority of republicans that don't believe 2020 was fair, they're the people with the loudest voices. they're the people still winning the elections. that's where the candidates are. even that to me is probably signaling that republicans have a bigger problem here. >> you know, claire, i think it was amy jensen i think is her name, the middle woman in our group there. i found what she said, well, it depends on what the other side is doing. her vote for biden was exactly the premise that biden ran on. he knew there were people like her that would vote for hem. maybe not for a more progressive democrat but for him because of trump. >> and that's what i did his philadelphia speech was about. it was all about trying to invite the amys of america into the tent. >> not that amy. >> not that amy, the amy you interviewed in arizona. i did that's what it was about. i do they know the democratic party is struggling with an

issue that is real, and that is that all of our leadership, and i say this as somebody who's ancient. a lot of old folks are running the democratic party now in every part of the democratic party. i think the democratic party will benefit from doing some gazing about how to the young people to the forefront because young people will be important to us in 2024. >> ironically, matt, if republicans have a good election night particularly on the house side, it's going to be like because it does seem like house republicans really went after a diverse set. not line the senate side. >> the house side really went after it. i think a good story, a good candidate is worth about two opponents on the ballot. you want to talk about fund raegz, we had about 20 candidates in 2020 raise a million dollars through july of 2020. now we have over 90.

so it's not only good on the ballot, it helps you raise money. >> it's amazing how poor the senate republican candidates are compared to the house candidates. >> and yet no matter what happens on election day this year, it is not go to impact the views of donald trump, right? if the senate stays in democratic hands, even though every single one of those senate republican candidates was endorsed by donald trump, i do not thing that's going to make a reassessment of whether donald trump should be on the ballot in 2024. >> even though in every other political election we've ever covered, that actually has mattered. >> it didn't matter in 2021, didn't matter in 2022. >> and this amy has the last word. that's all that we have today. thank you for watching. we'll be back next week, because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

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