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abortion pill available for now with a final decision potentially coming in days. >> they attack medication that for 20 years the fda ruled as being safe. >> i do believe in common sense restrictions on abortion. that's where america's at. >> as republican presidential hopefuls continue to struggle with the abortion issue post-roe. >> i would literally sign the most conservative pro-life legislation that they can get through congress. >> even if it was six weeks. >> i'm not going to talk about six, five, seven or ten. >> and the gun debate, after more mass shootings in tennessee and kentucky. >> oh, my god, there's an active shoot are there! >> the nr aholds its annual meeting and republicans pledge support. >> with me at 1600 pennsylvania avenue no one will lay a finger on your firearms. >> can the two parties find common ground on issues that have divided the nation for decades? >> my guest, tammy baldwin of wisconsin and bill cassidy of louisiana.

also, rising tensions. ♪♪ ♪ >> israel is facing crises at home and criticism abroad. >> they cannot continue down this road. >> my exclusive interview with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. >> people will see in the end that israel was a democracy, is a democracy and will be even a stronger democrat see after this democratic reform. >> finally, how did a 21-year-old gamer, an air national guardsman gain access to the nation's top secrets. joining me for insight and analysis are. nbc news senior washington correspondent hallie jackson. former homeland security secretary jeh johnson, leann caldwell and stephen hayes, editor of the dispatch. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press". >> from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. debates over guns and abortion have royaled this nation for

decades. this week those debates feel a bit more intense than they have in a while and activists wield power inside primary circles and the overall electorate. >> today mark the tenth anniversary of the virginia tech shooting. 32 people were killed and now it's been surpassed by mass shootings in vegas and orlando. six more killed two weeks ago in a school in nashville. 2024 republican hopefuls gathered at the nra convention and rejected the restriction that they could -- and they demanded allegiance. >> politicians should never go to bed unafraid of what this association and all of our millions of members can do to their political careers. >> the issue is not too many guns. the issue is too many thugs,

hoodlums and savage criminals on the street. >> little miss adie, she already has a shotgun and she already has a rifle and a little pony named sparkles, too, so the girl is set up. >> a gallup poll conducted before the louisville shootings shows 63% of americans are dissatisfied and a majority of republicans are satisfied and that overall dissatisfaction number hasn't translated to the ballot box. not a single pro-gun elected politician has been thrown out over the issue and that's not true on abortion. nowhere is the gap between the republican base and the overall general electric greater than on this issue, particularly after the overturning of roe v. wade. on friday the supreme court put a temporary hold on a lower court ruling on the abortion pill while the court considers the biden administration's request to preserve fda approval of the drug. the state keeps the abortion pill widely for now with another decision expected by wednesday to try to clear some of this up.

in theory with the dobbs decision, they thought they were sending abortion back to the states and clearly, that is not the case. the dobbs decision is not popular with the public while 61% of voters disapprove the decision to overturn roe, 65% of republicans a rufed of it. republican elected leaders are well aware of what abortion presents. they've struggled to answer simple questions about where they stand on abortion rights and access. this week florida governor ron desantis quickly signed a six-week abortion ban and he did it behind closed doors and he never mentioned what he did in his speech. donald trump has repeatedly refused to say if he would support a law that would restrict abortion, mike pence and nikki haley are struggling to define their positions on this issue.

>> i must tell you that i don't. i'm not familiar with those proposals and i don't -- i don't -- i don't have a way of responding to that or confirming it. >> i would literally sign the most conservative pro-life legislation that they can get through congress. >> even if it was six weeks. >> i'm not going to talk about six, five, seven or ten. >> i don't want unelected justices deciding something this personal. we will not let this be a political football. let's let the states work this out if congress decides to do it, but don't get into the game of them saying how many weeks? how many weeks? no, let's first figure out what we agree on. >> joining me now is democratic senator tammy baldwin of wisconsin who announced this week who announced this week she plans to run for a third term. senator, welcome to "meet the press." >> a delight to join you. >> let's start on the temporary hold with mifepristone and the

abortion in this country. do you think five days is enough time for the supreme court to get all of the information they need in order to make this decision? >> well, who knows how long that will take, but i'm certainly glad for the five days, but look, what we have in texas is a judge who is not guided by science but is part of an extreme republican concerted effort to ban abortion nationwide, and we do not need judges, politicians or government telling women what sort of health care they can have. it is an issue that is not only playing out in the court in texas,but in the state of florida with the governor signing a near six-week ban.

idaho forbidding travel out of state for minors, wisconsin where we've gone back to literally 1849. that is the date our criminal abortion ban was passed and that's 174 years ago. we are fighting back. >> if the supreme court decides to allow the circuit's ruling to hold which would roll back fda approval of mifepristone essentially to pre-2016 regulations, if that happens, what do you want the biden administration to do? for instance, do you think they should resubmit mifepristone to the fda and get a new approval? >> yeah. so we don't know what the ruling is going to be. we know that this is a drug that was proven safe and effective back in 2000. we know there have been further fda regulations and the drug has

been made available now in a recent ruling over the counter, and i don't think that there should be second guessing of the scientific-based process that fda goes. it has such repercussions beyond the drug mifepristone to -- you know, we want to be able to rely on a science-driven process that the fda has. >> let me ask you about federal versus state here in wisconsin assuming that the newly configured supreme court decides that the 1800 law is essentially null and void, that it's obsolete. it's likely that wisconsin's abortion law would revert to a law that was passed in the '80s that would essentially make 20 weeks the limit on when you can get an abortion.

your law is 20 to 24 weeks. do you think there's significance 20 between and 24 weeks. >> it takes the additional step to tell states that they can't pass laws that unduly limit access to that right. in wisconsin you talk about the 1980s law, but there have been laws passed in the '90s and frankly, quite recently that further restrict a woman's access to full reproductive healthcare whether those are waiting periods, mandatory counseling. >> right. >> invasive ultrasounds, these are the types of state interference that the women's health protection act would eliminate. >> i'm just curious. how rigid are you? in order to get two-thirds of what you're hoping to get and you can get 60 votes with 20

weeks would you do it? >> i certainly would look at that, but here is what the bill does. the bill talks about pre-viability and viability and relies on medical expertise because that time may change as medicine advances. so we recognize that from the get go, and i think that's the appropriate way to do it, but i do want to get this measure passed. >> but you are willing to have some compromise if that was the price of getting more republicans onboard. if you can get them onboard at 20 weeks rather than 24. we even heard senator tim scott saying if 20 weeks is all he could get looking at it through the other way that perhaps he would support that. is that at all? >> i'm not going to negotiate -- >> i understand, is that all something at least worth looking at? >> certainly it's worth looking at, but the way to go is to have medical science establish what's pre-viable and what's

post-viability and that's what the bill does. >> want to ask you a couple of political questions. >> over the last two elections, only one senator was able to win re-election despite the presidential candidate of the same party winning their -- not winning their state. it was susan collins in maine in 2020. >> that's right. >> do you think you can win re-election if joe biden can't carry wisconsin? >> well, i think joe biden will carry wisconsin. obviously, we don't know who the republican nominee will be, but despite republican national efforts to put the spotlight on wisconsin by hosting their convention there and having the first republican primary debate in wisconsin, i think that will prevail, and i think you can look at last week's momentum in our state supreme court race. what people said resoundingly is we want our rights and freedoms

back and we're willing to work hard, go to the polls and win elections in order to do that. that will not diminish in 2024, and if any republican thinks that voters have simmered down on the abortion issue they are wrong. it's going to -- that is going to continue well into the next presidential race. >> senator dianne feinstein is recovering from a tough bout with shingles. there have been tough callses for her to resign now. where do you stand on this? >> well, i certainly wish senator feinstein well and that's a responsible thing to do during her absence because we have president biden's nominees waiting for hearings and votes, and we want to keep that moving, but i wish her well and hope she returns to the senate very soon.

>> do you think these calls for her to resign are appropriate? look, it's up to dianne feinstein and her family to decide whether she wants to keep on serving and she's had a remarkable record, and i respect that. >> senator tammy baldwin, democrat from wisconsin running for a third term. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective for us. >> thank you so much. >> joining me now is republican bill cassidy of louisiana and the top republican on the committee and also a medical doctor. senator cassidy, welcome back to "meet the press" sir. >> thank you, thuk. >> i want to start with mifepristone. you're someone who has not wanted this drug to be available by mail. i'm curious, why weren't you one of the republican senators to sign on the supporting of the texas ruling?

>> i'm not quite sure what you're asking for. i don't sign all briefs all day. we have a political process by which we resolve issues. that particular ruling was on a process orienting thing and the fda did not follow correctly the administrative procedures act. that's a question of fact that can be resolved by the court and it's actively being resolved. the broader question is how do you resolve the issues in general? i think returning it to the states to allow a state's values to guide is important. in massachusetts, in new york, california, nothing changes. in my state a law written by democratic female state senator and signed into law by a democratic governor established a more pro-life statute. that's the way i think it's going to resolve politically and that's the way it will resolve socially and culturally. >> on the decision of

mifepristone, do you believe that the scientific community will take precedent here and the american college of obstetrics and gynecology says that mifepristone is safe and effective. you have said their word matters when it comes to over the counter birth control. should their word matter when it comes to the use of mifepristone? >> so i think you're going back to the kind of assertion that the principal basis of the court case in texas was about the safety and specifically it said that it was supposed to -- the accelerated pathway was supposed to approve a drug to treat an illness. it is a stretch to call a pregnancy an illness, and of course, obviously we know what happens to the unborn baby, and so i'm not quite sure you're framing this question accurately. beyond that is also a cultural and social issue. in my state we are a pro-life state. we have legislation which is far

more pro-life than, say, california, but the californians keep their law and we keep our law and that's the way it will work out nationally. >> i guess this texas decision it does seem like it's going to call into question other fda approvals on other drugs. do you worry about the up ending a status quo and sort of up ending the fda's authority in a way that will be -- create chaos in the pharmaceutical industry? >> pi think that's totally alarmist. by the way, when did the fda think it can go above the law? it can ignore the administrative procedure act which every other agency has to follow theoretically, but they don't have to? so i mean, that's alarmist, and i also think that the fda should not be above the law. >> i want to get you to respond to something governor sununu said about roe v. wade. take a listen. i'm curious of your reaction. >> roe v. wade whether you agree with it orient, there's a

20-year precedent with this thing and now to the american public it looks like republicans are coming in. >> there was a doctor from new jersey who was testifying before congress and just grieving about how all of her patients were fearful. i'm thinking, nothing will change in new jersey. she doesn't understand the law and if she understands it she's deliberately mischaracterizing it. what dobbs does is it is reflective of the state. in louisiana it reflects our values. again, a law written by democratic female senator signed into law by the governor. i agree with the premise of which governor sununu said, but i'm disagreeing with how you're presenting it. >> are you still glad that roe v. wade was overturned or in

hindsight -- you've always said it's an uncomfortable, it's hard to find a middle ground. do you think roe v. wade is the uncomfortable id innel ground for america? >> i think dobbs is the uncomfortable middle ground and no one group has the ability to impose their will upon the other, and so, you know, dobbs i think was the correct decision. >> are you going to vote against any attempt at creating a federal standard considering that you believe this goes back to the states whether attempt whether it's -- at one time you had supported a 20-week bill. would that ever -- would you ever be open to that or do you think at this point always leave it to the states? >> first, i think that the dobbs decision is the correct decision. you can give me theoreticals all day long. i am pro-life, the fact is you will need 60 votes to get something through the senate. what tammy baldwin was talking about that there will be no restrictions on the states upon

abortion meaning the child can come through the birth canal and still be aborted? no. that's wrong. most americans think that's wrong. tammy will not get it through the senate and there are not 60 votes for allowing that and on a bipartisan basis it's been rejected and i reject giving me theoretical after theoretical just because -- if that's what you do if you want to fill air time and get people buzzing and it's not how we govern. >> i hear you, but there seems too a real debate on this front. i want to touch on something that you've decided to touch which is the third rail of american politics and social security. i want to play this ad that donald trump is running against ron desantis on this issue. take a look. >> desantis has his dirty fingers all over senior entitlements like cutting medicare, slashing social security, even raising our retirement age. >> how much harder is the former

president and frankly, most now republican elected officials who are suddenly running away from touching anything with social security, medicare and medicaid. how much harder is this making your job of trying to convince republicans to have this conversation? >> you know, both joe biden and former president trump have the same plan which is to do nothing on social security and to allow a 24% cut to benefits from when the fund goes insolvent in about eight or nine years. they both have the same plan. it does make it harder. when your leading presidential candidates have made the decision to deceive the american people and to say there isn't a problem when every actuary who looks at this says there is a problem and who is 80 years old will get a cut in benefits, it makes it hard when they are so irresponsible. it's true for president biden and it's true for former president trump. >> are you open to tax hikes?

it's going to have to be some combination of tax hikes and raising the retirement age. >> what we have is a big idea. we create a fund that's separate from social security. we put in $1.5 trillion in it and we allow it to be invested in the nation's economy. there's no risk borne by the beneficiary and there are no social security dollars put into this separate fund and we allow it to sit there and we allow it to grow and at the end it helps bridge social security to sustainability. all of the risk is borne by the fund. now what you do in the additional 25%, that is 75% of what we need to do. the additional 25% are dials that politically we have to come together and resolve. if one side proposes something, the other side will demagogue it. we see trump and biden demagoguing it now. when you're honest with the american people and we have a

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that's not in the race yet. we're talking about trying to stop florida republicans from endorsing trump and it sours on him over social issues and down in the polls "the wall street journal" says he looks to rebound. he's not announced yet. this has been an incredibly shrinking candidacy. >> it would not surprise you that people close to ron desantis that would be down playing. he's alluded to people he's talked to, he doesn't want to announce anything until after the state legislation is, and my sense is it's going to be fairly soon after that and not a long time after that because they want to get in this race and start to push back. i think you're already seeing that coming up with the ads now going against donald trump from the super .the policy distinctions like abortion because on this they have a sense that what's he going to do? he's not going to not sign and he's not going to veto a six-week abortion ban in florida and while they think this is an issue in a primary, there is no

other good option here. so of course, he's going to do it and they'll talk about it. >> steve hayes, there is a republican community looking for the goldilocks that can somehow bring the trump wing and the establishment wing behind and desantis was supposed to be goldilocks, is it too hot? >> it's a difficult balance to strike, i think, there is a thirst among republican elected officials and some republican rank and file voters to move beyond donald trump. we saw this in remarks over the weekend from governor brian kemp from georgia and you see this from top republican donors and you saw it more broadly. what's curious what desant sis doing, donald trump has pickeded a fight with white evangelical voters blaming them for abortion-related problems after the 2022 midterms and there's an obvious place for ron desant toys drive a wedge between trump

and his base and he's choosing not to do it. >> you think he was setting it up on policy and not doing it. >> he's not talking about it. he went to liberty university and he didn't tout it. this is an obvious place for ron desantis to split trump. >> there's an old term called rabbit ears and someone's at bat and they hear the critiques and he doesn't respond to it. he's not doing this enough and i don't like the ukraine response and too many abortions are happening in florida, let me deal with that. >> there's concern among republicans that he's not read per prime time and that's one of the messages that nikki haley is pushing and what you hear from republican sources. he's been in a bubble in florida, not talking to the press and not engaging and he is very popular there, but what happens when he meets a national

media? what happens when he meets donald trump who is masterful at taking down his candidates or his opponents. >> it's interesting, jeh johnson, one note of caution i throw at some people, and ron desantis is too quick, about this time barack obama in 20 -- in 2007 supporters were going, hey, he hasn't caught hillary clinton yet, what's wrong? he doesn't have what it takes. donors were starting to wring -- and then the debates happened and the campaign happened and things took place. do you think there's a little bit of overreaction here? >> chuck, as you know, in politics, a month is a year, a week is a month. i agree with steve. i think desantis is making a very concerted effort to be the most aggressively conservative person in this field and is trying to go after trump's base. i am puzzled that he did not

mention the six-week bill at liberty. >> especially the way he did it. he quickly flew from ohio to florida so he could get there the next day. >> i've spoken there, and the pro-life stance is the one big, unifying thing among the student body and the faculty at liberty university. >> hallie, let me show you something. tim scott did his sort of semirollout. >> yeah. let me show you tim scott on the abortion issue. >> if the 20-week ban would reach your desk. 20-week ban, definitely. >> i'm not going to talk about six, seven or 10 and the most conservative that can come to congress. >> that's what you're saying. >> yes. >> they don't know what to say. >> what may be interesting to you is there are people close to tim scott who are happy with the headline coming from aly vitale's interview. they will sign -- they didn't like 20 weeks the week before? >> they think whatever will come through congress will have a

conservative consensus and that's the line you'll see from him moving forward. on the other side of the aisle because the big issue is what does this mean for a general election and where the american population is and where are the american voters at large and one democrat phrased it to me, tim scott's presence essentially could be ron desantis' future and the idea that there's difficulty in answering the abortion question. doesn't this give you 2015 vibes? >> all of these sniping at each other. >> not scott walker, but donald trump is the leader of the pac and they're after him, and people are seeing him post-indictment with the base. >> no one's in charge of the party and that's the problem. there is no consensus abortion position and without it the democrats can define the republicans. >> you can make arguments where republicans don't have a consensus position because it's whatever donald trump has wanted for the last six years. part of this is how early it is

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welcome back. as tumultuous as the american domestic political debate is these days, the lone democracy in the middle east may be each more divided. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's plans to weaken the supreme court in israel has triggered nationwide protests. meanwhile in just a week israel has exchanged fire with palestinians and palestinian-linked groups in the gaza strip as well as with both lebanon and syria. the crises have only deepened the tensions between the united states and israel that have been simmering a bit for months. i am joined by the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you. good to be with you. >> let me start with your judicial reform package to say that it has gotten a negative

reception might be an understatement. your own defense minister called for a pause in it and he was concerned about the security due to so many reservists being upset about it. the public approval for you has plummeted and the most recent poll has 71% disapproving of the job you are doing and even among your own likud party members more people have a negative view of your job than positive and last week moody's downgraded israel's economic rating due to what it said was what reflects a deterioration of israel's governance as illustrated by the recent events around the government proposal for overhauling the country's judiciary. given all of this, have you decided to re-think and pull back on some of your reform ideas? >> well, you loaded so many things, many of them incorrect in your questions i'll try to -- how do you say that unpack that one by one. the first thing is that i look for a broad consensus on the

judiciary. every democracy, including your own, has continuous tension between the judiciary and the executive or the legislative. that's happening in america. it's happening in france and it's happening in israel and it's a natural tension of trying to keep the balance between the three branches of government and israel is no different and in israel the last 30 years has been a growing litigation of the supreme court between the powers of the executive and the legislative, we're trying to bring it back into proper balance and that obviously has concerns because democracy is based on the will of the majority and the will of the people as reflected in the government that is elected and the legislature that is elected and protecting individual rights and the will of the majority and the rights of the minority and how to balance that is something that we're working on now. it's not easy. i want to make sure the pendulum doesn't swing from an all-powerful judiciary.

always independent and not always all powerful that overrules the government or the parliament, but at the same time i don't want the parliament overruling automatically every decision of the supreme court. so i've decided to take time out, try to get a balance between the opposing views and there are strongly opposing views on both sides of our society, and i hope to reach this by consensus and i think that's the right thing to do and i'm doing it. >> do you understand that perhaps your opponent in the country don't take you at face value about the judicial reforms because you yourself would benefit from these reforms due to your corruption trial and the ability perhaps to make this either corruption trial totally go away or be delayed. how can you lead this effort if you, yourself, may benefit from this effort? how do you make it credible to the public? >> here's another fib, another lie. that's just not true. my own legal proceedings which by the way are crumbling and all

of these charges against me are crumbling. it's interesting that the hostile press stop covering it. stop covering the trial the minute it began because things are crumbling one after the other, be that as it may, it's important to understand the judges in my case have already been chosen and i've made it absolutely abundantly clear that the reform will not affect any judge who today or tomorrow or in the future has to deal with my case. my case is completely independent from this. the thing to understand -- >> the knesset did change the capacity law. right? they changed the incapacity law on the prime minister to make sure that if you're indicted that that wouldn't be cause for removal or excuse me, if you're convicted that wouldn't be cause for removal. >> no, that actually is something that -- >> no. actually that's not true. the important thing is that it actually would be accuse for removal. the charges that are not

subject -- otherwise you can charge anyone. you can have some politically appointed prosecutors. justice jackson said a famous american jurist said the power of a politically motivated prosecution they can remove anybody on anything and therefore in israel under the unanimous decision of the israeli supreme court, you cannot remove a pm based on charges that can be politicized. so that hasn't changed and that is actually enshrined in law and in supreme court decisions. look, the whole thing is -- there is an issue. it's a real issue. it affects many democracies sooner or later. it's affected israel because of the imbalance of the three branches of government and we're trying to bring it back into balance and trying to bring it back into balance requires at least for me as prime minister of a democratic, fiercely, a robustly democratic country called israel to try to do it in as broad an agreement as

possible, and i'm definitely giving it a shot. by the way -- we can take blows from my side. >> do you accept that this has taken a toll on you politically, that the public doesn't like this? do you accept the promise that the public is upset about this? >> oh, some of it is upset. you wouldn't know about the other side that wants to have the judicial reform because their demonstrations are not covered. >> you once said two terms should be enough for an israeli prime minister. why did you backtrack? >> i didn't backtrack. i said if you had a presidential system you could put term limits on the prime minister. there is no elected parliamentary democracy in which you have limitations on terms of service -- >> i know there's not there, but you yourself said that -- you yourself said you didn't think staying in power that -- that, you know, if you can't accomplish your goals in your first term, you might accomplish them in your second, but you don't need any more time than

that. >> i was referring to a question on a presidential system, but if you want to know, i think i still have and apparently the people of israel still think i have many things to do. block iran's quest for the bomb, expand the circle of peace with other arab countries and forge israel's economy to bring it to much higher levels and i've made it a free market economy, but i think we have incredible potential and all these things and perhaps arrive at a consensual judiciary reform -- by the way, i have another aide -- >> i hear you -- >> president biden has weighed in concerned about the judicial reform. do you believe this is impacting u.s.-israeli relations? >> no, i don't. i think president biden has been a great friend of israel. i've known him for 40 years from the time he was a senator through vice president through president. i know his commitment to israeli

security. friends can have disagreements on occasion, but i share with him the view that we should act and not only share the view, i'm actually aking on it to try to reach a broad consensus as possible. i want to tell you one thing, chuck, when i compare the degree of coordination between israel and america on security matters, on intel, on cyber, economic cooperation. >> yeah. >> there's just no comparison to where this was 27 years ago. today it's -- i think -- i always say america is israel's indispensable and by far the best ally, and i want to tell you, i don't think you have a better ally in the world than israel because israel has become a great technological pow and are a great asset to the united states and our cooperation, mutual cooperation saves a lot of american and israeli lives. >> speaking of our relationship, the damaging leaks that came out of the u.s. government and the

u.s. military. one of those leaked documents indicated that assad, the israeli version of the cia, advocated for its members to protest the current government. do you believe mossad opposes your government? >> god, no. >> first of all, i value american intelligence a little more than that, and i think they probably know the truth. the truth is the mossad legal adviser said that under israeli law, junior members of mossad can participate in demonstrations and not seenior members. that's, i think, that's what led to this misunderstanding. >> gotcha. >> no. the mossad, the military and the internal security service are working hand in hand with me as prime minister to assure the security of the country and they're doing a damn good job of it, too. >> well, as you probably can tell there's a lot more to that interview. you can see my full interview with mr. netanyahu on meet the

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welcome back. jeh johnson, you were -- before you were at dhs you were at the pentagon. >> yes. >> how does a 21-year-old air national guardsman end up with all this access to classified documents? last time i checked hertz rental car seems to have more scrutiny of our youth when deciding who gets the car than apparently the u.s. military. >> that's my question. how does a 21-year-old enlisted member of the massachusetts guard get access to ts-level information? so it's one of two things. either it was part of his job to review this stuff and then he

took screen shots and hit sprint and walked out with it which he shouldn't have done or i read somewhere that he was a specialist or a technician. so he may well have had access to that level of classified information and then reached to get something he should not have read in the first place. >> is this a failure of imagination? >> look, you put all of these on computer networks, you need tech support. did they not think that the i.t. folks might be vulnerable? >> hey, don't look for the answer here? i'm stunned by this, and there are all these questions about shouldn't we clamp down? shouldn't we clamp down? shouldn't we make it tighter? i tend to be philosophical like this, one in 10,000 when someone steals something and then you have an incident like another boston marathon bombing ten years ago, and everyone says why didn't you connect the dots and why didn't you connect the dots and we want to make it wider,

broader, more access and there's a pendulum and there's a happy medium somewhere. >> nothing that was leaked was stuff that we didn't largely know. you know, meaning like, we knew egypt had a history with russia. look, there were some specifics that were embarrassing to these other countries. some some ways it's nice to know that the intelligence, you know that this is what it is, this is what it looks like and apparently this is what it is. >> i think the sense in talking with a couple of folks close to the white house on this they're pointing to what, of course, president biden said that there was nothing contemporaneous and not the fact of the leak itself, but the underlying information that was released here. the sense is hey, they think people in the country largely support what the biden administration is doing on russia and ukraine and that this is not going to be a game changer there. politically, how much hay is there? although i want to talk to democrats that republicans are out there defending this guy and leaker. it's not really all republicans and it's one republican and that's marjorie taylor greene.

>> that seems to be a bizarre -- >> yeah. more of of a detour than a main event. >> the intel communities will want a pound of flesh here. >> my sources on the intel committee are saying this will absolutely be an issue and there will be an all-senator classified briefing when they return later this week and the intelligence committees have a lot of questions and not only why do so many people have access to classified information and what sort of fallout is there from this? they want to know not what president biden says, but what the intelligence committee is saying what the fallout is going to be, so this is going to be an issue, but this has also been an issue and there have been leaks before after this noted issue and jay, you know better, i don't know how much there is after each one, but congress will focus this. >> steve, this is a challenge. because of our ability, we have more classified intelligence than ever before and we have so much more intelligence. i don't know -- we had this

issue with so much incoming there does need to be somewhat a filter. >> i think this is downstream from the overclassification problem. there's no question about it. more than a thousand people have access to government secrets and that's a problem that i think needs to be narrowed and i don't buy it from joe biden that this is of no consequence and the people don't buy it either. if you think about how joe biden has downplayed other issues, the afghanistan withdrawal, was just fine and went according to plan and there's no china intelligence problem with the china balloon allegation and domestic policy and i think joe biden has a credibility problem generally and he has a credibility problem with rp. >> i think there are those that are trying to say that the leak -- i think when you look at it through a political 2024 lens, that's it. >> i will get you on the post

game. >> it could have been worse. it could have been much worse. he could have put out stuff that -- >> we don't know what else hasn't been seen. that's all i have for today. that for watching. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

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