good morning. it is sunday, may 7th, and it's "today in the bay." this is a live look at beautiful golden gate bridge. thank you for joining us, everyone. i'm in for kira klapper. and cinthia pimentel has more with the weather. >> it's sunday. you might want to head out the door today, but here in san jose, we still have the may gray hanging on for the morning hours. 52 right now. it is cooler, so if you are bundling up just extra tighter this morning, anywhere from two degrees cooler in san jose. look at the coastline and more

drastically cooler as we go into parts of the north bay. 10 degrees cooler in parts of santa rosa and napa. speaking of napa, perfect day to get out there in wine country. you won't need the umbrella for today. but there is more rain on the way in parts of the north bay. you'll warm up into the 60s by around 2:00 in napa. here is the rain that is on the way. hanging out around the coastline, you can see it taking a spin on satellite and radar. that storm system from yesterday has pushed on east, but this is on the way. we'll get you ready for the morning commute on monday with the rain on the way. back to you. >> thank you, cinthia. police are looking for a shooter who opened fire at a house party in chico, leaving a teen dead and several hurt. police found six people shot. paramedics rushed them to the hospital where a 17-year-old girl died. the other five victims are now stable. one witness caught in the chaos tried helping one of the victims. >> i went up into my apartment and i realized i had blood on my

clothes. i just, like, freaked out because it's, like, another human being's blood. >> this was the second shooting of the day in chico. while no one was hurt amid that gunfire, police did arrest a suspect. investigators are trying to figure out if the two shootings are connected. as the war in ukraine grinds on, a major rift is escalating between the head of a russian mercenary group fighting in a key city, and russia's military leaders. nbc's richard engel reports on the infighting. >> reporter: it's been called the biggest land battle since world war ii, bakhmut in eastern ukraine. for months, a group of mercenaries known as the wagner group, has been leading the charge here, where russia has gained ground. much to the embarrassment of the russian army, which to undercut its rival, has, according to the

mercenaries, been blocking the delivery of supplies. today, the head of wagner standing over the bodies of his fighters, says he'll quit bakhmut next week unless they get more ammunition. russia accuses the united states of conspireing with ukraine to carry out a drone attack against the kremlin itself, calling it an attempted assassination on president putin, allegations the u.s. and ukraine strongly deny. >> one thing i can tell you for certain is that the united states was not involved in this incident in any way. >> reporter: today, russia's foreign minister promised a response with what he calls concrete action. and negotiations aren't going well. in turkey, talks over access to the black sea got heated, when ukrainian delegate photo bombed a russian negotiator, the frustrated russians turned back and snatched the ukrainian flag. turkey condemned the behavior as

undiplomatic. when asked about the wagner group's potential pullout of bakhmut, the kremlin's response was "no comment." members of the california reparations task force voted to send recommendations to state lawmakers. >> there were seven ayes and zero abstentions. the ayes have it and the motion carries. >> after two years of meetings a nine-member committee voted in oakland to approve a proposal for what reparations could look like for black residents. the plan was designed to make amends for the lasting impacts of slavery. it includes an apology, money and services to help descendants of enslaved people to gain equity. barbara lee spoke in favor of the vote. >> reparations are not a luxury for our people, but a human right, long overdue for millions

of americans. millions of americans. >> the state legislature will receive the recommendations. it's not yet clear, though, how or if they will be implemented. how much longer will oakland teachers be on strike? the oakland teachers union says the latest proposal from the district appears to be a step in the right direction. union leaders are combing through the lengthy plan this weekend seeing if it's something members could actually get behind. the district offers a proposal friday night, hoping to end the strike and get kids back in classrooms tomorrow. union leaders say the proposal is far from perfect, even describing parts of it as confusing and incomplete. but they also say there are elements in it that address teachers demands. >> it seems that in some areas they definitely are. but again, like i said, a lot of the pieces are still missing. so we're still waiting on some of the common good proposals

that have been in the news and we're looking forward to receiving the whole package. >> the district says its proposal includes a retro active raise and one-time bonus. among other things. oakland teachers have been on strike since thursday. more than 80 schools are affected. both the district and the union are expected to spend the day at the bargaining table. we are celebrating aapi heritage here at nbc bay area. it's time to shine a light on some of the diverse people and places who make our corner of the world so unique. we take you to a fremont business that's putting art at your fingertips. >> reporter: it can be said sometimes extraordinary things can come from ordinary places. case in point, an industrial park in fremont why vivian works

her nail magic. >> how did i start doing nails? i did not have an artistic background at all. >> it's such an interesting canvas. >> reporter: she arrived at nail decorating from the most likely of paths, she was a software engineer in southern california. >> i would spend time in the bathroom with probably eight nail polishes, just trying to do some stuff and get on my creative side. >> reporter: the creative side won out. she dove deeper into the idea that a plain fingernail was a wasted opportunity. >> it turned into something i didn't expect. it wasn't until 2017 that it bloomed into me doing characters on nails, and subsequently opening a brick and mortar nail art only salon in fremont. >> reporter: her salon was booming. drawing customers and aspiring

designers like jasmine. >> i started working at the front desk. >> reporter: but the pandemic was especially hard on nail salons. >> in 2020, we shut down completely. >> reporter: with no seats to fill any more, t business pivoted to e-commerce sales of her custom nails for a now global clientele. >> it even got the attention of movie studios who had us start making press-on nails for them for red carpet premieres. weird commercial collaborations like progressive auto insurance. >> and that former front desk receptionists blossomed into one of her top designers. >> there's so many things that we can do with nails. it just takes like a lot of curiosity. >> reporter: for her, live has traversed far from her childhood in shanghai, china, and her move

to the u.s. when she was just 6. >> when i was just a little kid, i barely spoke english very well. i was crying mostly every day at home because it was pretty rough on me. all i could feel back then was just pure shame about who i was and my culture. >> reporter: it was her work that helped her find herself within her heritage. >> it allowed me to fully come full circle with appreciating some of the cultural aspects that i felt ashamed by when i was little. and most of that is spoken through art. >> reporter: now she has three offices, including one in las vegas, and along with her team is pushing the boundaries of what can be created on a finger nail. how about rattlesnake tails for nails? >> this is what i'm obsessed with, creating as many animation or secret, hidden effects. but for nails, if you look down

at your hands and it's like, wow, a warm, fuzzy feeling. >> reporter: it brings a warm feeling to a cold office park, and the pursuit of a dream worthy of a high five. >> it just snowballed into all of this. >> she nailed it. still to come, get ready t set sail. we talalk to a u u.s. membeber part in onene of the world's biggest boating races, ham thing weekend in san francisco bay. plus -- ♪ ♪ >> shakira is being honored by billboard as woman of the year, in her first-ever latin music show. the show will air on telemundo 48 tonight.

good morning. let's see where our sunday sun rise is coming from this morning. a beautiful look over the golden gate bridge. clear skies, perfect opportunity to take a job or a bike ride across the bridge. 49 there. so bundle up. we have one more game in the series against milwaukee today in san francisco. first pitch at 1:05. beautiful sunshine. but look at the wind gusts, from 20 miles an hour or more. so you might want to hold on to your hats out there. as far as the temperatures today go, just a touch warmer compared to yesterday. we have 68 in martinez. low 60s bayshore around hayward and san mateo. 66 in santa rosa. as we go into the south valley right there, 71 in morgan hill. what can we expect as we go bo the day tomorrow? just a few degrees cooler, as we await our next rain maker that

will make its way into california later on tonight. if you live around the coastline and you're watching us, the rain will start here around 11:00 before it becomes a little more into the parts of sonoma county around ukiah, santa rosa. that's the morning commute hours. now for a closer look at 4:00. 101 if you're traveling in there this morning. we could see those rain showers out there along the coastline, as well. very foggy in parts of san francisco and the east bayshore hooin. not going to be a lot of rain, but you will need the umbrella and turn on the windshield wipers. could see some light sprinkles here before this system pushes away and gives way to clear skies and temperatures that will gradually start to move up. our long-range forecast shows the rain right there for monday, even parts of the sierra with fresh snow. midweek, we could see some

inland showers tuesday on into wednesday. before we really start to see that high pressure build back into the bay area, warming us up for the weekend, which is mother's day. so you might want to prepare now and get those presents in early for mom. livermore, our ten-day forecast. here is that weather whiplash. we see the cooldown beginning of the week. and then the weekend, we're back into the 80s. upper 80s as we make our way into saturday and sunday. so a beautiful day to make mom outdoors for a lovely brunch. but for now, i'll leave you with the seven-day forecast for the immediate timeline. early showers on monday with a bit of a breeze before we start to warm up and dry out as we go into the inland valleys. 70s for thursday. so already warming up for the weekend. going to be a good start there. >> cinthia, thank you. we still have much more ahead on "today in the bay." coming up, larry gerston is joining us to discuss the recent scandals within the supreme court and what congress can do

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a pfizerer product.. the final race of the s sean in san frarancisco a at the san francisco yacht club. nine teams are competing on boatats that willl sail up t to miles per hour. the driver of the u.s. sails gp team sayays the race iss specia because every team has the same equipment and can follow one another's stats during the race. >> so, yeah, it's a pretty cool series, because that creates competitive racing. it stops teams frorom getetting hugege technical advantage. >> tickets to watch the riss are still available. public opinion has been soured on the executive and legislative branchs of american

government, but now many are focusing on the u.s. supreme court. to break it down, nbc bay area political analyst larry gerston is here with us this morning. ethical questions started surrounding the court because of allegations centered around justice thomas. but he's not the only one caught up in all this, right? >> good morning. you're right, in the case of justice thomas, we're talking several hundred thousands of cash as well as benefits he's accrued along with his wife. almost all of which has not been reported to the federal agencies. that's bad, no question about it. but the fact remains that other justices of the supreme court, perhaps not in the same quantities, have had the same problem. chief justice with alito, those two, roberts and alito, who have had stocks and may have n indicated any problems there in terms of some sort of pressure. but we have other authors, such

as sotomayor and gorsuch who, by the way, have received vast amounts of money from publishers, and they have been involved in supreme court cases. they have not recused themselves. that's the word, recuse. the fact is, if you look over recent years, just about every single justice in one way or another has had some kind of conflict of interest when it comes time to dealing with cases that have been impacted by some sort of references they have been part of. >> so larry, why is it that the justices don't have a code of conduct or code of ethics? >> we're all scratching our heads on that. they do in the lower courts, the courts of appeal, the district courts. on two occasions in recent years, congress has offered to the justices, please recuse your several it is you feel you may not be impartial. that's not exactly fillness. -- exactly firmness. the point is, so far,

particularly in recent years, we have seen a tremendous deterioration of judicial, how should we say this, favor. the public is not looking faif reasonly on the courts today, the justices particularly,s just a couple of years ag two years ago from now. we have seen public opinion on theustices slide by about 40 points. that is amazing. that is just amazg. going from 59% aroval down to less than 40% approval just two years later. why is that? well, consial cases,nd also these kinds of disclosures that show that justices may not be as impartial as they say they are. that's the kind of thing that's bothering people. this lack of transparency, bigad, which has long impacted us in terms of looking at congress and the presidency, now seems to be infecting the court, as well. >> for now, the justices seem committed to being able to police themselves.

is there any way a code of ethics could be imposed on them? >> yeah, a couple of things to think about here. congress has thought about trying to make it happen. the problem is, we have what we call the separation of powers clause, which allows the supreme court to be independent in congress, judicial scholars have long argued it may not be as easy to force the court to make these kinds of rules for itself as we might have thought. or even congress imposing it. the other thing is the power, in this case perhaps not power as much as influence, of chief justice roberts. we have seen this in the past. in the '60s we saw a justice who resigned over a much lesser issue, by the way, because then the chief justice pressured him. roberts so far has been very, very timid on this. reluctant to exercise his influence over justice -- any of the justices for that matter. particularly the ones who are now -- thomas among them -- so

far he hasn't done much. the question is, will roberts do more? until then, we're just standing around wondering how the court is going to be able to withstand this kind of criticism that's fallen upon it in the last few months. it's something to watch very closely in the months to come. >> certainly haven't been fading. larry gerston for us. thank you. up next, a quick look at the top stories, including the latest on that teacher strike in oakland. we'll tell you how the negotiations are going to get teachers and students back in class.

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welcome back, everyone. here is a quick look at some of the top stories we are following. if you're an oakland parent, there could be some good news for you. that teachers strike may be coming to a close. the teachers union says the school district's latest proposal is a step in the right direction. union leaders are combing through that plan this weekend, saying it's something that members could support. the district sent that proposal friday night, hoping to end the strike and get kids back in classrooms tomorrow. so far, union leaders say they aren't totally in love with what they see, but admit the proposal includes elements that do address some of the teacher's demands. oakland teachers have been on strike since thursday. more than 80 schools are affected. both the district and the unions

are expected to spend the day back at the bargaining table. caltrans is opening a new off ramp connecting the bay bridge to treasure island. the ramp, which has been closed for more than 20 years, will open today. caltrans says it will provide uninterrupted access to treasure island. this new ramp is located just past the tunnel on the right hand side for drivers. caltrans says the bike path to the island will also open. the original ramp will remain open, as well for another month to allow drivers to get used to the new one. then that one will close in june for retro fitting. 20 years it's been closed. welcome back, mr. ramp. cinthia is back with another look at the forecast. >> good day to get out there. a much drier day today compared to yesterday. before we see the return of that cloud cover and rain late tonight. it will start in the north bay. going to be just a few

sprinkles, honestly, as we go into monday morning's commute. in the north bay, could see some drizzle out along the santa cruz coastline. for the rest of us, might not even see any. that's good news, because we are all looking for the sunshine. and there it is, on the seven-day forecast. next weekend, there you go. >> enjoy the wet weather while it lasts. >> we're saying good riddance. >> all right. thanks for waking up with us today. we'll have more local news tonight at 5:00, 6:00, and 11:00. until then, catch us online at nbcbayarea.com. have a great day.

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good d morning, everyonene. i'mm scott mcgcgrew. i sawaw a r report recenently te biggest growth in international internet shutdown and censorship is, believe it or not, in democratic countries. india tops that list. of course, there arere the usua sususpects, n north korea, rus chchina. activistss and jusust regular pepeople in those c countries c get arounund that censorshipip ththey need your help to do iti. wewelcome bacack to "presess: h" my n next guest has b been invo with censorshihip in a long tim. she'e's a b brilliant prograram gogoogle hirired her as a a tee. she's a a concert pipianist, as

well. heher name i is serenene. gogood mornining. first, youou go by a singlgle like c cher or prince.. secocondly, youou had to learnr speaeak again a after ann acacc by means you mightht n need a at wiwith your ananswer, and that fine w with me. perfectlyy fine witith the folot home.. let's s start withh the basicic behihind avoioiding cecensorshi. you're using somome s software basicacally fool governmnments disgsguising thehe d data that e trying to o stop. hahave i got t that right?t? >> w we can do t this. usingg advanceced technhniques prototect a all userers. >> andnd you doo t that b by ch ththe look o of the data, so th thee bad g guy i in the h high whwho is tryingg too stop p peo fromom accesessing c certain da

learnining certainin truths,, t dadata thatt t they're comining can't t tell whahat that d data. >> o one off the wayays wee do h my w work is to convertrt allll traffic t to looook like videde streamaming video. kikind off likike whatt w we're righght now. >> sure. that's a a great disguise.. my homome compuputer can g get involvlved at somome point,t, r? it can actct a as a a proxy ser and i c can h help youour projep people g get past sesensors. > yes. so this p project is c called snowstorm,m, and it iss a an evolutionn of code i h had wrir many years ago.o. andd the idea i is that there a paparts of thehe interernet mor throw t than othehers. and thosese parts off the inter cann help the other regegions s connecected to thehe global internet..

>> s so they y can pass t throu computerer. nonow, i've got to asask, i if somemebody is using a littltle e of myy compmputer, and itit's strangee idea, right?t? a lot of wi-fi r routers wilill ofoffer a p public accessss, ann give peoeople walkiking byy my someme free wi-fifi with n no p fofor me.. ii remembeber sometething calle steaeady at home that woululd h scieientists crurunch numbmber. if i am h helping somebodyy to connectt to the ininternet, th is at t least a littltle bit of danger thahat t they wouldd use fofor somethihing ill,l, right?? that t they mightht do somethin that iss ilillegal. how d does that leaeave meme? what i is the legagality of tht? >> y you are notot att ririsk, yoyou are thehere to helpp peop. onon the other hand, there are d actors out there and they will find ways to do bad things, no matter what. this is not an issue that is

specific to this project. all vpn like projects face a similar problem. but on the other hand, snowstorm actually does more to protect legitimate users than normall t maintain connection to the internet. >> i mentioned off the top that google hired you as a teenager. that's amazing. what did you do at google at such a young age? >> well, i worked with google ideas back in the day. that was the place where i first started exploring ways to use large-scale structure to do some good for the internet. and soon after, there was better context to do work that could

help humanity. >> now, this project snowflake, if somebody is interested, it's not quite time that they can join up and help people in countries led by dictators to find the truth over the internet, but it will be soon, right? >> well, it's two versions, you know, and that's out there right now. it has some limitations because it was just a prototype i developed years ago. but that seems to have worked. snowstorm is the second version. the next generation version. now that we have a lot of snowflakes, we have a snowstorm. >> well said. i like that. serene, it's a pleleasure too t

to you. serene iss a a geniuss program also a c concert pianist. anand w we have h heard her muse in san francisco. i appreciate you joining me this morning. "press: here" will be right back.

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