♪♪ ♪♪ this sunday. hostage release. israel and hamas agree to a pause in fighting as the first groups of hostages are handed

over. >> it's only the start, but so far it's gone well. >> does this breakthrough deal signal a turning point in the conflict? >> i don't trust hamas to do anything right now. i only trust hamas to respond to pressure. >> my guest this morning, national security adviser jake sullivan, and the chairman of the house intelligence committee republican congressman mike turner of ohio. plus countdown to iowa. the iowa caucuses are now just 50 days away. ? we are now in second place in iowa. >> everybody's attacking me. that should show you who they care about. >> can any of trump's rivals catch up and stop him? and actor and advocate. selma blair who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis five years ago is using her voice to fight for those with the right of all those living with disabilities. >> i want equity. i want justice. >> joining me for analysis are leigh ann caldwell of the

washington post. republican strategist brandon buck and simone sanders-townsend. former chief spokeswoman for vice president kamala harris. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press". >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with kristen welker. >> good sunday morn. it took weeks of excruciating secret negotiations involving u.s., israeli, qatari and egyptian officials and personal pressure from president biden to persuade a reluctant israeli prime minister netanyahu to accept a four-day ceasefire to free 26 israeli hostages from hamas. two senior administration officials tell nbc news the biden administration is disappointed americans have not yet been released and they are hopeful three americans will still be among the 50 civilian women and children freed as a part of this deal.

>> we also remember all those who are still being held, and renew our commitment to work for their release, as well. two american women and one 4-year-old child, abigail, who remains among those missing. we also will not stop until we get these hostages brought home. >> after a shorted, but serious delay on saturday, 13 more israelis, five women and eight children were freed. in return, israel released 39 more palestinians from its prisons and aid organizations have been able to scale up fuel and aid deliveries for gaza. pressure on israel continues to mount. tens of thousands gathered in tel aviv saturday night accusing netanyahu of not doing enough to bring the 240 hostages home. the deal also comes as democrats are increasingly divided over president biden's embrace of israel as the civilian death toll in gaza grows. a biden administration official says this deal was a biden deal

not a netanyahu deal. >> i don't know how to feel like now because it's a weird situation, but i'm happy and excited. >> we saw the jeep passing by, and we recognized adina, my aunt in the jeep and then we started shouting. >> i don't know that there will be words. i think there will be a lot of tears. a lot of happy tears, i hope. >> we want this chapter to be completed so we can liquor wounds and start to recuperate as a family. >> joining me now is national security adviser jake sullivan. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thanks for having me, kristen. >> thank you for being here, jake. we have seen these emotional and wonderful scenes of families being reunited as the hostages have been returned. i know administration has said that it is hopeful that americans will be returned soon.

can you tell us, do you expect american hostages to be released today? >> well, kristen, the initial hostage deal involves the release of women and children and there are two americans, two women and one young child and we believe that one of those americans will be released today, but until we see her out safely from gaza in the hands of the authorities and ultimately in the hands of her family, then we won't be certain, but we have reason to believe that there will be one release today. >> are you talking about the little girl, 4-year-old abigail idan who, of course, celebrated her birthday in captivity. jake, is that the american you expect will be released today? >> we are hopeful that abigail will be released. we think it's long past time that this little girl who just, as you said, celebrated her

fourth birthday is back home with her family. she tragically lost her parents in this vicious, brutal attack on october 7th and back with other family members and i'm not in a position here at this moment to confirm that, but i will tell you, kristen, that this is unfolding as we speak and hopefully, literally any hour now we will know which of the americans is out. we have a sense of who it is, but i just am not in a position to confirm it because we want to make sure that the release goes off as indicated, as we expect and at that point we'll be prepared to speak to it quite joyfully speak to it. >> i understand this is an incredibly fluid and sensitive situation, but so that our viewers understand, have you actually seen the list, jake, and is there at least one american name on it or are there more? >> well, i started by saying we have reason to believe, and i

wouldn't be sitting here saying that if i wasn't confident. i'm not going to get into exactly what we've seen, but i will tell you that we are in extremely close touch, down to every possible detail with both the israelis and qataris as well as with the egyptians. so we feel very fully apprised of what is likely to unfold today, but we proceed with caution because we're dealing with a terrorist group here so we can't be absolutely certain about what is going to happen until it happens, and so we will await the actual transfer of the hostages today at which point we can all speak with greater definition to exactly what happened. >> and so there are two other american hostages who you have said you would anticipate would be released as a part of this latest deal and then seven other americans still being held, jake, what can you tell us about the other two who you have signaled will be a part of this deal and then the other seven who are still being held in captivity?

held hostage? >> kristen, this is a great question. what we know is that there are three americans who fall in the category of the first deal. that is two women and a child, as i said before. we know that those three have been missing, presumed hostages, but we have not gotten proof of life to any of them, and we do not know for certain that all three of them are still alive. that being said, we do believe, we are hopeful that there will be additional americans released and remember that there is another day to this deal so we will see another list tomorrow and then we are working with all sides on the possibility that this deal gets extended to additional hostages beyond the initial 50. that ultimately is up to hamas. if hamas is prepared to release additional hostages israel has indicated as part of this agreement that it is prepared for additional days and pause to

a fighting, and so the ball really is in hamas' court in terms of its willingness to step forward and release additional hostages including releasing additional americans. >> i want to talk about potential next steps and the red cross was a part of of this deal being able to let them in to see the hostages. have they been able to do that, jake, and what have they been able to glean about the remaining hostages? do they know if the additional seven americans are alive and the rest of the hostages, more than 100 now? >> we don't have that information yet. as part of the agreement as you just alluded to, by the end of the fourth day, by the end of tomorrow we expect to have that information, but as i sit here this morning i cannot confirm anything about the condition of the additional americans being held there as other countries and as israel cannot confirm the condition of their citizen hostages, but it is part of the agreement that that be done by

the red cross and we expect that to be fulfilled. >> do you know the exact number of hostages that remain, jake? what other groups in addition to hamas are holding them? >> we've been very straight from the start, kristen. as have israel and other countries that we do not know the exact number of hostages that are alive at this time being held in gaza, and we won't know that until those hostages are physic looky in the hands of authorities and ultimately in the hands of their loved ones and their families and we have been direction, straight and candid about what we know and don't know. we also are aware that it's not just hamas holding hostages, palestinian, islamic jihad, another terrorist group that participated in the brutal massacre on october 7th is holding some and other groups who are not directly affiliated, but have loose connections to hamas and palestinian islamic jihad are also holding hostages. so part of the effort here is to

ensure that all of those groups somehow get connected to a deal in which every last possible hostage in gaza who is still a live gets turned back over and reunited with their families. >> jake, do you have any concern that the u.s. publicly negotiating a hostage release sends a message that americans are willing to negotiate with terrorists even if indirectly and that that could ultimately put the lives of other americans at risk on the world stage? >> look, we've been in the business since the beginning of the biden administration and president biden has taken a leadership role in this in taking steps to bring home americans who are unjustly detained or being held hostage overseas and we've been willing to make hard decisions to do that because as the president said he has no higher priority than to bring americans home. when the united states had one policy or another people were taking americans hostage.

so from our perspective, this isn't about precedent. it isn't about policy, it's about a simple principle. if there is an american citizen being held overseas we are going to do everything in our power, using diplomacy, using influence, using leverage to bring those people safely to their families and that is the commitment of president biden. >> israel has said that it would extend the pause in fighting for every day that ten additional hostages are released. is it your expectation at this time, jake, based on your expectationses that this pause in fighting will be extended beyond four days? >> i think it is certainly a possibility and we would like on see that happen -- >> is it likely. >> it's up to hamas. >> is it likely though? >> it is hard for me to handicap that, kristen because this is hamas. hamas will make the decision about whether they're prepared to release another ten hostages.

israel put its cards on the table and they're prepared to extend the ball in fighting. will hamas step up and release an additional ten hostages, if they won't then they're the ones choosing to bridge an end to the pause in fighting and not israel and that is something that we'll watch very carefully and president biden has been on the phone just in the last 24 hours with the emir of qatar. he will speak today with the prime minister of israel and he continues to work on this hour by hour to see if we can secure those additional days of pause and those additional hostages coming home to their families. >> let me ask you about a reese end op-ed about bernie sanders. the indiscriminate bombing has led to an untenable amount of civilian deaths. he is becoming a progressive part of lawmakers that is asking that aid to israel be conditioned on a plan to mitigate civilian deaths.

president biden called this a, quote, worthwhile thought. would the administration support that? >> in that answer president biden acknowledged the idea, but he went on to say that his approach, president biden's approach which was high-level, public diplomacy has generated results. it has generated the substantial amount of humanitarian assistance to civilians in gaza. the exit of thousands of foreign nationals including american citizens from gaza and the first pause in the fighting since the conflict began and the release of a set of hostages, 50 hostages, all of that has been the product of presidential engagement, private engagement, hard diplomacy and that's the course that president biden set us on. >> just to be very clear, should we take his words that it would be a worthwhile thought to mean that the president is open to signing legislation that would provide aid to israel that comes

with conditions? >> i thought the president couldn't have been clearer when he answered the question. he acknowledged the idea and then he said, but the way that i have conducted our diplomacy --? is that a yes, jake? >> -- that's what he's done so far and that's what he going to do. >> is he open to it? >> again, he is going to do what continues to generate results and as he said in his press conference and for the last two days we've seen hostages released. the approach that he is taking direct, presidential diplomacy behind closed doors with the israelis and with our partners that's what's generating the results right now and that's the course that he's on. >> all right. national security adviser, jake sullivan, thank you very much for your time this morning. i really appreciate it. when we come back, the chair of the house intelligence committee republican congressman mike republican congressman mike rner of ohio

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welcome back. just this morning egypt has received a list of 13 israelis and 39 palestinians scheduled for release today. the third group in the four-day truce deal. as the national security adviser just told me, the white house has reason to believe that group could include at least one israeli-american dual citizen. here at home, aid to israel is still uncertain. house republicans passed a $14.3 billion aid deal earlier this month and new speaker mike johnson has vowed to back separate legislation combining ukraine assistance with tougher border security measures. joining me now is the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee congressman mike turner of ohio. welcome back to "meet the press," congressman. >> thank you for being back in person on a big day. we really appreciate it.

let's start about what we know about this release of hostages in addition to the three that the white house has said they anticipate will be released. there are still seven other americans who are unaccounted for. is it your expectation that those seven americans based on the intelligence that you have are still being held hostage? do you know if they're alive? >> right. it's been very curious that the administration is so quick to claim this as a biden deal and as you just heard from jake sullivan, he continues to say we know every detail and he can't answer those question as to those details. there are ten americans out of the 240 hostages and people who are missing. no one really knows the number as jake sullivan was saying that he doesn't even know the number nor do we know proof of life. you would have thought if they're claiming credit that this is a biden deal that we would have conditioned this process because the aid going into northern gaza is a condition that hamas required

includes american aid and everyone is very concerned and one thing that's very important here is to understand that the word hostage barely describes what these people have been through. these are not detainees and they were not in gaza and they were in their homes in israel. they witnessed the brutal murdering of their families, neighbors and friends and then were taken, kidnapped from their homes into gaza and they've been held in brutal conditions and as we know some of the hostages have been killed. so i'm certain these hostages, these individuals that have been kidnapped and are being released went through a very brutal time. >> i want to ask you more about the intelligence that you have, but to your point about whether this is a biden deal. you heard mr. sullivan tell me that the details are very sensitive. does the president deserve some credit given that he has been working the phones with the leaders of qatar and israel to try to get this temporary pause in the fighting? >> right. i think people would expect nothing less and certainly it appears that the administration

has stepped up for that. >> do you give him some credit? >> absolutely. this is a period fraught with peril to claim credit for a deal that we don't know what will come out of this. i just think it's very dangerous. >> speaking of the perils here, do you have any concerns that hamas is delaying the release of american citizens to use them effectively as bargaining chips, congressman? >> exactly. which is why i'm concerned that the biden administration didn't make it a condition of this deal this americans be in the first hostages released especially since american aid is going into gaza right now into northern gaza as part of the conditions that hamas had. i think when the administration says they know every detail and they don't even know that they're alive that is certainly concerning and also the aspect is what you raised in the interview. the red cross is supposed to have access to the remaining hostages and we're supposed to be getting information as to what the condition is and who is

held. the hostage list is based on people who are missing. >> jake says he expects that that will happen potentially by tomorrow. why is that so critical and do you anticipate it will happen by tomorrow? are you getting any information that pointses to that? >> i think this is a war zone, and so it's very unknowns are rampant, and the other aspect here is that we're not even sure that hamas has all of the hostages and there are radical groups that might have possession of some of these hostages and which ones are alive and where their bodies may be in either gaza or where hamas has held them and how will the red cross be able to tell us who is alive and who is not, and that is part of certainly the terrible distress that these families go through and people who have been told that their relatives are deceased and now finding them alive and they might find out the tragic news. >> i want to ask you, big picture about how israel is conducting this war.

as you know, the idf has taken the head of al shifa hospital in for questioning. israel, the united states have said that their intelligence points to the fact that hamas is effectively embedding itself inside al shifa and inside other hospitals. do you think the united states should release its intelligence publicly or at least more information publicly to help make the case to people globally who are saying too many civilian lives have been lost here. >> we have to remember that right now this is a war zone, and israel has openly stated that its goal is to take out hamas and hamas' control gaza. hamas still has control of gaza. when this ceasefire ends netanyahu has said the conflict will continue and the conflict will continue as israel has stated until hamas is removed and obviously, one of the issues that you have to look at in releasing intelience is that since this is a war zone and you're trying to enter the

dialogue about what happened you still have impacts that can impact the outcome, you have to be cautious. >> one a.p. report described what happened in gaza as an uninhabitable moonscape. should there be more transparency about the intelligence that israel has and about the intelligence that the united states has about hamas? >> i think it is beneficial to tell the story of what hamas is. >> would you support more transparency? should more intelligence be released? >> the palestinians are as much prisoners to hamas if gaza. once hamas won its election however rigged it may have been to take over gaza there's never been another one. they are absolutely being suppressed by hamas itself. >> let me ask you about the growing global pressure israel to commit to a full ceasefire because of concerns about the high civilian death toll. this comes as i was just talking about, amid growing calls for u.s. aid to israel to be

conditioned on a plan to limit civilian deaths. is that something you would support? >> i think the white house has been clear, and i think u.s. policy has been clear of lessening the palestinian casualties that are not hamas, and i think certainly israel has made clear in the areas in which there's going to be conflict and trying to get people to leave those areas to lessen those casualties. >> but would you vote for that if it came to you, if it was introduced as legislation, conditional aid to israel? >> i wouldn't propose it, but i think it accurately reflects u.s. policy. >> let me ask you about iran. do you, big picture -- we know that iran obviously funds hamas. do you see this as a proxy war between the united states and iran? >> absolutely. they state it is, and they state that it is their proxy war against the west. >> should the u.s. take action against iran if it continues toes late?

>> i think we currently are -- >> direct military action. >> against their proxies. >> i do think that the administration should step up and protect our own troops in iraq. these are iranian franchisees, funded, traineded organizations to attack the west. >> president biden has asked for a robust aid package that would include aid to ukraine, israel, taiwan and funding for the southern border. is this something that you anticipate could pass by the end of the year? >> i think it would be difficult to get it done by the end of the year and the impediment is the white house policy on the southern border. the white house in this package including it as a national security package recognizing that the southern border is a threat and put in funding, but it will need policy changes. congress will require that there be laws change that make certain that the border remain in mexico and other types of provisions that would secure the southern border. >> let me ask you, quickly about

the newly elected speaker of the house, mike johnson, he just made the decision to release and he started the process 40,000 hours of footage from january 6th. the capitol police have expressed real concerns that that could jeopardize the security of the capital. do you think it was responsible to release all of the footage from january 6th? >> i think it's important for americans to know the truth. this has been fraught with an unbelievable amount of misinformation and untruths, and i think this, when you see the footage yourself it will give you an understanding of what is there and what occurred that day because we are currently depending upon partisan descriptions and now the american people can see. >> the republican colleagues have cherry picked some sft images to further some conspiracy theories. are you comfortable with that? >> i think it's been cherry picked by both sides. >> but let me ask you about your republican colleagues in the wake of this footage being

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clear is kate snow. good morning, we're coming on the air with breaking news and another positive development involving the release of hostages by hamas. we now know one american is finally among those just set free. according to israeli officials, 4-year-old abigail mor edan is part of a group of 17 people released today. this is day three of a four-day ceasefire and this third group being released is part of a broader and tenuous deal between israel and hamas that. bargain include the promise of humanitarian aid growing into gaza and israel committed to releasing palestinian prisoners. a spokesman for the qatari foreign ministry says today it expects israel to release another 39 palestinian prisoners today. the 17 hostages released by hamas today are from a group of more than 200 people kidnapped during hamas's deadly attack in israel on october 7th. let's bring in nbc's erin mclaughlin on the ground in tel aviv. this is a big moment for the u.s., including an american hostage, a little girl coming

home. >> reporter: it certainly s kate. we have just received a statement from the israeli prime minister's office, i will read you what the prime minister has to say. he says, the israeli government embraces the 17 abductees who returned to israel, 14 of our citizens and three foreign citizens who returned to israel today, their families were informed by the appointed officials that they are on their way to israel. the israeli government is committed to the return of all abductees and missing persons. now, among the list of hostages released today, as you mentioned, is 4-year-old abigail edan, in fact, she turned 4 on friday. she's been held for some 51 days by hamas terrorists inside of gaza. her story is a heart-wrenching one. according to her great aunt on october 7th hamas terrorists stormed her kibbutz, shooting her father in the back. she was in his arms when he was shot and killed.

his body collapsed on top of her, she was covered in his blood. she was shielded unhim according to her family and then ran to a neighbor's house and it was at that neighbor's house that she was kidnapped and taken into gaza. now, she is one of some ten americans thought to have been kidnapped and taken into gaza, two other americans, american women, are thought to be eligible for release under the current terms of this ceasefire, but certainly today the fact that she is free, the fact that she is back in israel is a symbol of hope to the other hostages that remain in hamas custody. kate? >> erin, has the family said anything about where little abigail will go? >> reporter: not at present, and it is unclear if they have, in fact, connected with abigail at this point. in terms of the process, when the hostages are brought from gaza through the rafah crossing, they are greeted by israeli

troops, some of those israeli troops specially trained to be able to communicate with children, they are identified by the israeli military. they undergo a medical evaluation and then from there they are brought to an israeli air force base, they are boarded on to helicopters and then sent to hospitals and there at the hospital one of pfeiffer in israel, abigail will likely be reconnected with her family waiting for her in israel. we hope to see those reunions. we've been seeing these heart-wrenching, heart-warming reunions over the past couple of days. this is the third hostage release of this four-day -- at least four-day minimum temporary ceasefire, kate. >> erin, thank you. for more let's bring in nbc news white house correspondent allie rafah. we thought this might happen, the national security adviser advocated. as erin said there are more. what is the administration doing behind the scenes to try to get every american out?

>> reporter: that's right, kate. this is no doubt a sigh of relief for the families of this hostage, 4-year-old abigail edan, but also for this administration and the president himself to has for days now said he was extremely optimistic that americans would be among the hostages released as part of this multiday ceasefire. and the white house has been closely monitoring when that would happen. the president asked in nantucket last night when we could see those hostages released, he said hopefully that will be soon. and today as erin mentioned on the third release we are seeing one american citizen released as part of this deal. but as you mentioned, many more americans being held hostage, and sullivan this morning on the sunday shows said at this point they still do not know the condition and whereabouts of all of those hostages, kate. >> yeah, and as we know we have one more day of ceasefire that we know of right now, it could be extended. that concludes this nbc news

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for more than 75 years "meet the press" has had a history of shining a light on people who impact our politics from outside washington, from jackie robinson to robert frost, jane fonda and john glenn. actor selma blair is known for her dead pan humor with quirky intelligent performances in iconic films like "cruel

intensions" "heathers" and "legally blond"? what are the boys like? >> cecile, is that all you can think of? >> it doesn't look like anyone's coming to your little party it me, heather. >> vivian kenston, do you think it's acceptable that ms. woods is not prepared? >> no. i don't. >> five years ago at age 46 blair was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. after battling the auto immune disease from the age of 7, in 2019 she walked on to the red carpet with the a cane for the first time in an oscars after party making her disability visible in a powerful way and now blair has become an advocate for americans living with disabilities, joining president biden at the white house in october to recognize the 33rd

anniversary of the americans with disabilities act and to advocate for new legislation for disability rights and pay equity. >> i'm here before you today as a proud, disabled woman with my cane -- [ cheering ] >> and my service dog scout by my side. our laws and policies must reflect that our disabled lives are not of lesser value. >> selma blair, welcome to "meet the press." thank you for being here. >> you were diagnosed five years ago with multiple sclerosis. you are in remission. how are you doing, selma? >> i am in remission and that is a very safe place to be as far as diagnosis have, i do have, even though there's no everyday of current disease activity, i do have the leftovers.

i did have it for many years and didn't know and it does leave some burn areas and mine is in the basal ganglia and mine looks different than other people with ms. there's a gazillion types of ms, but i'm doing very well. you have your dog scout here. are you in every pain? talk about that. >> i'm in pain every day and i have dystonia also that doesn't always flair up for entire conversation, but it's almost like someone with a stutter maybe or type of tourette's and people don't always understand that so there can be discrimination and confusion with people thinking i'm putting something on and that i have a dog and i just want a dog with me. so there's a lot of tricky stuff and the fact is that i'm really in pain all of the time and there's a stiffness that does not leave me. >> i want to talk to you about

your journey to diagnosis. you have written about it, and you have done a documentary about it. you say that you had symptoms starting at 7 years old? >> i mean, there is a pre-dermal period so i'm not certain that it actual he was a full-on, but there is -- my neurologist was saying there could be years of pre-dermal and fatigue and i would bend down and get electricity, and i had very clear skonts and i had optical nouritis as a child that is only from brain trauma or ms, and they didn't recognize it in me even though i was seeking doctors my entire childhood. >> you have said of your experience and this really was incredibly powerful, you said if you're a boy with those symptoms you get an mri, if you're a girl you're called crazy. a number of studies support exactly what you are saying. why do you think that this continues to be a problem in

medicine? >> they were older male doctors who really probably did not know the tin intrickss of a girl and also medical students don't have ms and they can be disguised as a number of things. i have prefrontal things that can cause hysterical crying and laughing and i thought, wow, i'm just the wild one that wakes up in the middle of the night waking myself up laughing hysterically or sobbing in front of people and just maybe moody, maybe, and i believed all these things and i was put on very strong antidepressants from a very young age, and i drank. i drank because i felt so other. i went into the basement and drank from a very young age.

>> what age? >> i was 7. >> when you got the diagnosis you were describing real suving and you were diagnosed at 46. what was that like? >> i was relieved that i had something that could be understood and finally treated and it took me another year that a lot of my childhood symptoms were ms. i thought oh, all of this poor feeling i had and the lethargy and attitude all of this has led to now i've give know myself ms, but it was the gratitude of people helping me. i was such a loner in my life. i was already sober by this point. i had really made an effort to get myself on track. more than an effort. it was a major change, and i am so grateful that i have been sober for years so i can properly process and -- and feel comfortable realizing what people were doing for me and realizing this is not the norm. >> when you think about those

years that you went undiagnosed that doctors were, frankly, not listening to you, do you feel anger? >> sometimes, but i don't want to feel anger because -- i don't want to feel blame because maybe i wasn't ready to be diagnosed then. maybe i wouldn't have been able to quit drinking. i don't know, but i do -- the things that were such clear signs and i went in with the part that i get more sad because it made me lose, you know, my entire years until diagnosis because -- because i hated myself for not -- for making up that i wasn't feeling well. i just believed that. >> well, you were recently at the white house and lending your powerful voice to mark the 50th anniversary of the americans with disabilities act. what was it like for you to be

there at the white house? why was that important for you to be there? >> for me it was such a mark of how far i'd come, and i meant that as something that could be aspirational to people. not that you have to be cured, not that, oh, getting some great podium is the answer for something, but that there was such a vibrance in me and i had the energy to get on this plane and to get to have this incredible experience, and of course, having that walk from the white house to the south lawn was really healing for me in so many ways having, you know, the most powerful man in the world on -- i'm on his arm, and i just thought, wow, things have changed and a lot of this is the help from the disability community. judy human who was the greatest organizer and rallier of her friends with disabilities.

she was the grand dame. she created the american disabilities act. they did the sit-in when the government won't see it and just enabled people getting out of their wheelchairs and lying on the ground to say pay attention because growing up we did not have exposure to people with disabilities. it was like they didn't exist, and i had that mindset. not on purpose, just -- i just had very little awareness. >> what is your message to lawmakers, to the president? what do you want to see next for the disabled community? >> equity. accessibility. yes, of course, i am so grateful that anything was put into place, but again, sub-minimum wage for people with disabilities. you can work all day and get 50 cents an hour? no. why is that okay? that's a -- that's a really -- they just use it as slave labor to get disabled people out of the house to have something to

do, and it's just -- it's really out of touch and wrong. i want equity. i want justice. i want this community and all other marginali7p÷ user. of course, you need a real wheelchair user to go down the ramp and you're at the crux starting this conversation. >> our thanks to selma blair for

her bravery in speaking out. you can watch my full interview with selma blair at meet the press.com. that is all for today. thank you very much for watching. we will be back next week because if it's sunday it's "meet the press." this is an nbc news special report. here's kate snow.

into we are coming on the air with breaking news. among 17 hostages released by hamas is an american little girl. this comes on the third day of a four-day ceasefire. other groups of hostages were released on friday and late saturday after some delays. president biden is now speaking about these new developments. >> two days ago, two days ago, one of our fellow americans, a little girl named abigail, turned 4 years old. she spent her birthday, that birthday, at least 50 days before that held hostage by hamas. today she is free and jill and i together with so many americans are praying for the fact that she is going to be all all right. you know, she is free and she is in israel now. and so those who are now wrapping abigail in love and care, the supportive