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this sunday, the trump doctrine. >> the u.s. will take over the gaza strip. >> president trump stuns the world with his proposal to take over gaza. >> i do see a long-term ownership position, and i see bridging great stability to the that part of the middle east. >> after expressing plans to take control of greenland. the panama canal and canada. what is america's new foreign policy vision? i'll talk to national security adviser mike waltz. plus musk's mission. >> elon musk is seizing power from the american people. >> he's done a great job. look at all of the fraud that he's found. >> elon musk's sweeping agenda to reshape the federal government is testing the limits of the law. i'll speak with democratic senator andy kim of new jersey, and a way with words. our meet the most conversation with poet amanda gorman.

>> and why do you think poetry is so critical to who we are as a nation? >> we are people who share common humanity. typically, poetry is the rhetoric that encapsulates that the best. >> joining me for insights and analysis are nbc news chief washington correspondent andrea mitchell, nbc news senior white house correspondent gabe gutierrez, symone sanders townsend, former chief spokeswoman for vice president kamala harris and republican strategist sara fagen. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press". >> from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with kristen welker. good sunday morning. we begin with president biden's historic overhaul of the federal government that is proceeding at an unprecedented pace and scale.

the president has tasked elon musk, the world's richest man, with carrying out his mission and now musk and his team of young tech engineers have inserted themselves into at least 17 federal agencies, according to "the new york times," accessing sensitive federal data like social security numbers and bank accounts for millions of americans. on friday, president trump defended musk's role. >> is there anything you've told elon musk he cannot touch? >> well, we haven't discussed that much. i'll tell him to go here, go there, he does it. he's got a very capable group of people. very, very capable. they know what they're doing. >> now president trump says he has directed musk to turn his sights toward the pentagon, the defense department has billions of dollars in contracts with musk through spacex and other companies. >> you said there are some areas

where there would be a common interest. >> i would have seen that and he would know not to do it. if there was a con flict we wouldn't let him. >> he is facing more than two dozen lawsuits to date. federal uj fedel judges blocking the accessing of sensitive records, and for now, blocking a plan that would have put thousands of usaid workers on administrative leave. the agency largely focuses on disease prevention, disaster relief and food programs in famine-stricken areas. first lady melania trump praised the agency during her husband's first term. >> we want to show the world that we care, and i am working with usaid. >> also this week, president trump stunned world leaders by floating an amamerican keover of gaza.

>> the u.s. will take over the gaza strip, and we will do a job with it, too. >> you are talking tonight about the united states taking over a sovereign territory. what authority would allow you to do that? are you talking about a permanent occupation there, redevelopment? >> i do see a long-term ownership position, and i see it bringing great stability to that part of the middle east and maybe the entire middle east and everybody i've spoken to. this was not a decision made lightly. everybody i've spoken to loves the idea of the united states owning that piece of land. >> president trump's words prompting swift condemnation from arab nations like egypt and jordan and raising doubts even among some republicans. >> i'm not supportive of having the american people pay to rebuild gaza. i don't think that's our responsibility. >> probably need some

clarification on what exactly that means. i think he sees a good opportunity, but obviously gaza is not ours, it's sovereign. it's part of the another country. >> joining me now is national security adviser mike waltz. welcome to "meet the press." >> thank you. good to be with you. >> it's great to have you. let's start with president trump's attempts to scale back usaid, essentially stepping back from countries that have long relied on american support. the former administrator of usaid under george w. bush called it a huge mistake, adding, quote, this assistance is one of the most powerful tools washington has to push back against chinese and russian influence and to prevent transnational threats such as disease and terrorism from reaching u.s. soil. is america basically handing

china and russia an opportunity to expand their influence on the world stage? >> no. absolutely not, and in fact, kristen -- excuse me, kristen, this is exactly what president trump, secretary of state rubio, elon musk, myself and many others who have worked with usaid are talking about. all too often these missions and these programs, number one, are not in line with strategic u.s. interest like pushing back on china. they're doing all kinds of other things that, frankly, aren't in line with strategic interests or the president's vision, number one. number two, often, all too often, only cents on the dollar actually makes it to people in need between the big contractors, the subcontractors, the local contractors. the dollars aren't being used wisely. we need to take a hard look at it. we need to move quickly and that's exactly what's being done

and personally, i can tell you i've worked out in the middle east. we've seen a big usaid and there's a mullah preaching american hate and the usaid in charge told me we're just handing out food. that's our food to just be humanitarian. no, we need to realign their mission and reunite it with the president's foreign policy vision. >> let me ask it this way. the trump administration effectively is trying to get the entire agency. usaid has fought aids and worked to prevent polio and worked as the world's largest provider at famine relief. why didn't the administration look at individual programs and take the time to figure out what your priorities are and what could be saveded? . >> it's perfectly reasonable to say let's pause and then let's

let those key programs bubble up and come through and that's exactly what we're doing through the waiver process. we have issued dozens and dozens of those waivers to let, for example, things like ebola screeners and other programs get through. so secretary rubio as acting administrator, and i think that's perfectly appropriate for usaid to be tucked into the state department and better aligned with their mission rather than just spreading money around, kind of peanut butter spreading all over the world, let's line it with key objectives and key goals as those waivers are going through those payments are going through so this is a pause, but i have to tell you the president is ready to move quickly and ready to move boldly and that's when he's doing. >> it's paused because the court stopped it. the administration had slashed a staff of 10,000 down to 600

people. how many people are currently working for usaid? >> look, usaid and you have seen hearing after hearing after hearing on this and the current chairman of the foreign affairs committee in the past in the house completely support an overhaul of usaid. it has q bloated. it's become incredibly top heavy, and it's essentially a series of contracts. if you think the big defense contractors have too much power and too much influence, wait until you dig into the usaid contractors and the subcontractors and the subcontractors and the local contractors. case in point, i don't think the american people support $3 billion+ going over to the taliban through a series of u.n. contractors that only allow the taliban to then play winners and losers with who supports them and who gets punished with them on the ground, and we have

documented evidence after documented evidence that that's the case, and yet we don't want studies and commissions. the president wants action and that's what he's getting. >> you know, colonel, you used to support parts of usaid's mission. as a member of congress, you sponsored legislation for usaid to expand girls' access to education worldwide which you said was quote essential to our national security. is foreign aid vital to the nation's national security? >> when foreign aid is aligned with u.s. objectives and u.s. objectives meet the president's objectives as commander in chief, then it is, but that is not the case, many of these senior aid officials have their own agenda, have gone their own direction and these programs, many of which are no longer authorized by congress just seemed to continue in perpetuity. so we can talk the entire time about usaid.

i have a lot of experience about it on the ground, but in these first two weeks we've had major foreign leaders. we have the mexicans putting thousands of their troops on the bordeder. the canadians putting their assets on the border. panama moving away from belt and road. colombia first refusing to take deportation and then now taking it, and we can go on and on with the successes of the hostages that the previous administration couldn't get out. president trump says there's all hell to pay and now we have not only hostages from hamas reuniting from their family from venezuela and from the taliban, too. so we've had an aamazing two weeks. we can get into the s of foreign assistance, but it badly needs reform. >> let's move on to elon musk. president trump said he directed him to find cuts in the pentagon. the defense department has

billions of contracts with elon musk companies. do you believe that is a conflict of interest for elon musk to be finding cuts at the pentagon? >> elon is the head of the department of government efficiency, and if there is any agency, which i have a ton of experience with in the department of defense with an 800 billion+ budget it's dod. everything there seems to cost too much, take too long and deliver too little to the soldiers. i as a member of the house arms services committee, held up a bag of bolts that would cost a hundred bucks in a hard wear store that cost $900,000 and the american people have said enough with the bloat and the debt and when we have a trillion dollars of interest in our debt that's exceeded our entire defense budget we do need great minds and business leaders to go in there and absolutely reform the

pentagon's acquisition process. >> colonel, my question is elon musk the right person for that job given his billions of dollars in contracts with the defense department? how can he cut an agency where he has billions of dollars at stake? >> well, look, with all of the appropriate fire walls will be in place, but i'll tell you as someone who used to have cape canaveral in my district, the president created space force and the rest of the world combined and just in the last year spacex has launched more than the rest of the world combined and has transformed along with the president's directive to transform space, but if you want to set that aside that's fine because there is plenty to look into in shipbuilding which is an absolute mess, to look into contracting and procurement and in many of these cases where you

pay people right up front and then they don't deliver for years and years and years, where maintenance and cost overrun and facilities have literally feces, mold in them for our barracks for our soldiers, and i think the american people and the soldiers will welcome. >> let's move over to gaza, the president said he would take over gaza and ve american troops on the ground. let me ask you, colonel, who is the white house's plan of who will control gaza once the war is over? >> well, right now the idf, the israeli defense forces, have had to go in and will continue to destroy hamas if they do not honor the terms of this ceasefire. so that's point one.

point two, president trump looks at this in very practical terms in the sense of are we going to repeat the definition of insanity here and pour billions in, rebuild and just have another october 7th again and another war years from now? let's look at the reality of having 1.8 million people sitting in piles of rubble with no sewage, with unexploded ordinance, and he's asking in a humane way, what is going to happen to these people and everyone around the region says their heartbreaks for the palestinians, rightly so, but then come to the table with your plan if you don't like his plan and interestingly, we are seeing all kinds of outreach since the president made that statement of saying let's help you take this on and so there's conversations that are ongoing right now. >> okay. so having conversations with rld

other world leaders of post-construction once the war is over. >> but the key piece is you can't get to post-construction. you can't make this the paris of the mediterranean like beirut was back in the '70s and give these people a better life if you've got 1.8 million people living in absolute squalor in mountains and mountains and mountains of debris. president trump is a builder and he's a dealmaker in chief, and he understands that this just doesn't make sense. so for anyone, the media included, that doesn't like what he is proposing come to us with a better plan. >> rapid fire, final round, if i could. let's talk about canada and the closed-door meeting with business leaders and outgoing prime minister justin trudeau warned that president trump is serious about annexing canada to make it the 51st state. is he right? is president trump serious about planning to annex canada?

>> i think the canadian people, many of them would love to join the united states with no tariffs, with lower taxes, and i have all kinds of neighbors down in florida, that are canadians and are escaping many of the liberal policies and have moved in. look, what we're talking about here is -- >> i think some canadians would disagree with you. >> i think some canadians would disagree with you. yes or no, is he planning to annex canada? >> well, i don't think there's any plans to invade canada, if that's what you're talking about, but there is a lot of people that like what we have in the united states and do not like the last ten years of liberal progressive governance in trudeau, but really what you're seeing is a reassertion of american leadership in the western hemisphere from the arctic all of the way down to the panama canal, and that's what we're talking about from

greenland to arctic security to the panama canal coming back under the united states. america has avoided our own hemisphere where we have the energy, the food and the critical minerals for way too long and you are seeing a reassertion of president trump's leadership. >> "the new york post" has reported has said that president trump spoke to putin and was it after he was elected and what was his message to putin? ? i'm not going to get into the president and there are sensitive conversations going on. we will have our secretary of state, our secretary of defense and special envoy in europe this week talking through the details of how to end this war and that means getting both sides of the table. what he has said is russia's economy is not doing well. he is prepared to tax, to tariff, to sanction. we need to get all sides of the

table to end this war ask it has come up with president xi, prime minister modi with leaders across the middle east. everyone is ready to help president trump in this war. let's get all sides of the table and negotiate. >> colonel, you talked about every other world leader, the white house, yes or no, has he spoken with putin and are those sanctions coming this week? >> i'm not going to get into details, but the president's prepared to put all of those issues on the table this week including the future of .s. aid to ukraine and we need to recruit those costs and that will be a partnership with ukrainians in terms of their rare earth and natural resources and oil and gas and also buying ours. those conversations are going to happen this week, and i think an underlying principle here is that the europeans have to own this conflict going forward. president trump is going to end it, and then in terms of

security guarantee that is squarely going to be with the europeans. >> we are way out of time, but who do you like for the super bowl tonight, colonel? [ laughter ] >> the jacksonville jaguars, but we had a tough year. >> maybe next year. national security adviser mike waltz, thank you so much for joining us. we covered a lot of ground. really appreciate it. >> when we come back, democratic senator andy kim of new jersey joins me next. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. i'm lowering my risk. and adults lost up to 14 pounds. i lost some weight. ozempic® isn't for type 1 diabetes or children. don't share needles or pens, or reuse needles.

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polling it shows six in ten americans support cuts in foreign aid. president trump says this is exactly what he campaigned on. how do you respond to that argument of president trump and colonel waltz that this is what the americans voted for people. >> people see diplomacy is important, and it is essential in pairing with our military. we have there pillars when comes to foreign policy, we have defense, policy and diplomacy. this is not charity. this is about our national security. in fact, someone who said that exact line is marco rubio when he was a senator. there's a reason why usaid is at the ronald reagan building because ronald reagan was a strong supporter of this. what we are seeing right now with the trump administration over the last week is just very

clearly an american retreat when it comes to the rest of the world. handing this over. china doesn't even need to fight for their influence around the world now because of our own effort. we are doing china's work for them, and i hope that the american people understand just how dire a situation this is going to be, something that makes it more likely that we see conflict, may have to use our own troops and also this is something that affects our ability to build access in markets and grow our economy. so this has very tangible impact and it will -- to our national security. >> let me ask you about the inspector general and there have been significant short comings in organizations and usaid works with as well as limitations in obtaining data with agencies partnering with usaid. should usaid have addressed some of these concerns sooner?

>> these are the types of efforts that should be ongoing. you know, i've worked in four different departments and agencies and i've seen challenges and concerns across the board. certainly, there are things to make things more effect icient effective. he tries to use words like realignment when what they're doing is dismantling. there is a more effective approach in going through usaid and trying to figure out what are the types of actions that we support and what are ones that maybe we stop or we fix, but instead what they did is just demonize. this wasn't about efficiency. the way that they demonized, the way musk talked about it asas a criminal organization and basically said the public servants there are tantamount to that kind of criminal operation is just wrong. frankly, insulting, and for instance waltz talked about having a waiver for things like pepfar.

it's not true. i talked with people at usaid currently and the payment system is shut down. there is no way to get food out there with pepfar trying to support people on antiretro viral education and we are talking about putting millions of lives at risk and this is something that even if you allow it to go forward, you don't have staff. you cut people in the continent of africa down to

stopped. they're just -- gleefully taking that leadership mantle and we're giving it up. >> it's interesting because some top democrats are saying that now is the time to really be careful about choosing battles that you're going to engage in. david axelrod said this week, my heart is with the people out on the street outside usaid, but my head tells me man, trump will be well satisfied to have this fight. is he right, senator? >> no. no, he's not right because what we know is this is just the beginning. this is the playbook that they're going to run and the trump administration get away with this with usaid they'll move it on to the department of education, they'll move it on to fema and other aspects of this, and we have to show that this is illegal, this is not an action that the executives can do on their own, and that this is something that the american people deserve greater clarity. i just had a one-on-one meeting with the department of

education, linda mcmahon, and she told me that there would be significant cuts of staff to the department of education and transfer staff to other departments and this is the plan. >> i know battles are playing out in the court and they're playing out in protests and rallies. senator chuck schumer, the minority leader in the senate held a news conference that was a lot like a rally outside of the treasury department to counter some of the actions by elon musk. take a look. >> i am going to stand with you in this fight and we will win! >> we will win! we will win! we will win! >> are you satisfied with how your party is pushing back in this moment? have democrats found their footing? >> i want to make sure that the american people see it across the board in terms of all of the different problems of what's happening. there is the litigation side, the legislation, the oversight, the communication and i will add

th the mobilization that we saw there. dozen of lawsuits. this is something that senators, we have been in touch with the states attorney general ever since november talking about what comes next and you see so far right now the states attorneys general are three for three in terms of being able to move that forward. now we are proceeding with the legislation side and we have the continuing resolution basically in a few weeks. the republicans are going to try to figure out how they move forward and they have, for the last two years, needed democratic votes for every continuing resolution and they should not count on that this time around. >> you take me to my next question because your colleague jeff merkley said he's prepared to shut down the government over these sledgehammer actions that he's seeing with elon musk. are you prepared to shut down the government and yes, look at what the trump administration is doing right now. >> is that a yes? >> they are simply trying to dismantle the government.

so, yes, if we have to take steps to hold them accountable and we use the leverage that we have to force it. i cannot support efforts that will continue this lawlessness that we're seeing when it comes to this administration's actions, and for us to be able to support government funding in that way only for them to turn it around to dismantle the government, that is not something that should be allowed. >> just to be clear, senator, you are open to shut down the government government? >> this is on them. they are the majority and if they cannot govern then that's for the american people to see, but i've worked in government. i've worked through multiple government shutdowns. i would be the last person to want to get to that stage, but we are at a point where we are basically on the cusp of a constitutional crisis. seeing this administration taking steps that are so clearly illegal and until we see a change in that behavior, we should not allow and condone that nor should we assist in that. >> senator, of course, the other big news today is the super

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"meet the press" the most in history. 240 appearances, and here's to many, many, many more. >> it's been wonderful. this is a show i love so much. >> we love having you here, andrea and good to have you here on a big sunday. break this down. we just talked to the trump national security adviser amid questions about gaza, whether he plans to try to make canada the 51st state and of course, all of these cuts that we're seeing. how do you see the trump doctrine right now, andrea? >> it appears to the world as might makes right in panama, canada, and you can argue that this is an opening bid and we've seen business in panama where i was last week and they upped it to u.s. naval ships have to sail for free and the panamanian president pushing back furiously and eventually saying that

china's belt and road initiatives and other construction projects he would cancel, but he can't cancel the ports of the canal, and then upping it, as well, in canada. the 51st state issue is -- i talked to people in canada, this is helping the liberals who are behind -- and the conservatives to replace trudeau. there say backlash there. people are taking it seriously. in gaza, the food aid that was part of the ceasefire deal is being halted. that's a critical part. the surge in food aid. the president has floated the idea of owning gaza. within 45 minutes muhammad bin salman at 4:00 in the morning issued a statement flatly rejecting that. that is basically, we've killed what is the plan that the u.s. and netanyahu has for the saudis to recognize israel long tomorrow. it's just a no starter and so in gaza, as well, this could really

hurt, you know, not only the ceasefire deal and the usaid all over the world, 26 million people were saved in africa alone and those riff etroviral drugs, and there were risks of mutation and real health issues. >> elon musk is behind these massive cuts that we are seeing, and a lot of people are fascinated by the trump-musk relationship. how would you character iedz iz right now? >> i think it's mutually beneficial. musk has power than any other richest man has had in the world and for president trump has someone that takes the incoming fire and democrats are training their fire on e ln lon musk andy say musk checks in with donald trump several times a day.

they have a mutual respect and trump likes the fact that he doesn't seem to care about the washington establishment. he used an expletive and doesn't seem to dare about that and for donald trump the question becomes how long will this relationship last? in your interview with mike waltz, you brought up the idea that musk is looking at the department of defense. he had billions of contracts there. ? it's a great point, gabe and sara, let's take a look at the cover of "time" magazine. this is so fascinating. here's a split screen and here's the cover this week and that's the cover in february during trump's first year in office, first istration, steve bannon, not soon after was he out of the administration. a lot of people think this won't last forever. >> well, first, you have in one man the greatest technologist

and entrepreneur of our time and the other is a -- comparing them is not even a fair comparison. i think musk has real run room and the reason is because he's actually doing things and he's making incredible moves to transform the government. i mean, many people would say this is a very needed transformation. we are spending 6 trillion. we are taking in roughly 4 trillion. we have a trillion of interest. it's unsustainable. something has to give and trump's force of nature and musk's a force of nature will ultimately do a lot of good for the united states long term. >> i guess the biggest line-items when you talk about the department of defense, if you are really trying to cut the budget a little bit or bring the numbers down you have to look thea the department of defense, you would have to take on social security, medicare, medicaid, things that the trump administration -- that donald trump himself has said he's not

going to touch, but elon musk just today retweeting a congressman saying we have to look at social security. >> a lot, if you follow elon on twitter, a lot of what he's talking about and this is all transparent and open which we should acknowledge, a lot of it is, they believe very strongly from the initial look that there's 10% of the spend is fraud, waste and abuse. >> and usaid is half of 1% of the budget. it's low-hanging fruit and people think foreign aid is terrible. let's get rid of it. that's not deficit reduction. deficit reduction is in the really big programs. >> the uusaid is what they need to transform and clearly the state department is going to have to look at that and figure out how to advance the tion's interests, but that doesn't mean that everything they're doing made sense, and so a lot of

those cuts are in programs that aren't advancing our interest and no american should want that. >> white house officials do say this. you talked about low-hanging fruit. yes, it is low-hanging fruit, but this is how they get the ball l rollin back to the point i was making before, donald trump has to have a mutual respect for elon musk because he doesn't see him as a donor. >> the propaganda is in -- >> and we do have a critical branches of government and i think there's 90 days to make or break a habit. we are well into the 90 days. congress needs to assert their authority before it's too late. >> that's what i thought was so fascinating that senator kim was saying that he might move to shut down the government and what is s9u7rthe strategy to ge trump agenda passed. we just have 30 seconds. >> democrats have calleded for clean debt limit extensions and

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meet the moment is sponsored by progressive insurance. save when you bundle auto, home and motorcycle insurance. welcome back. amanda gorman captured the world's attention when she became the youngest inaugural ppoet delivering a powerful message at president biden's inauguration in 2021 at the age

of 22. >> we will not march back to what was, but move to what shall be, a country that is bruised, but whole, benevolent, but bold, fierce and free. >> in the four years since, gorman has become an advocate speaking out against racial inequality and the banning of books. she is out with a new book "girls on the rise" where she speaks to young women about empowerment, inclusivity and facing their fears. i sat down with amanda gorman for a "meet the moment" conversation where we discussed her journey and how poetry can speak to all americans. >> amanda gorman, welcome to "meet the press". >> i am so excited to be here. >> it is an honor to have you here. what do you hope young girls, young boys, young people take away from the message in this newbook? >> i am so excited about this children's book because for me

it originated around this idea of having a children's book that underscores the community and alliship. we follow an individual character and i live for that and i thought what if we turn it on its head and the book is about the village, it's about the wave and the movement and about what it means to be a young person in a generation that is going to change the world and that is at the heartbeat of the world. >> why was it important to celebrate young women and young girls in this moment? >> i love that question because this book has been in the works for several years. i kind of came into being a few years ago when dr. blasey ford was estifying in front of the senate judiciary committee and i, like so many people, were watching that testimony unwrap, and i think especially as a woman i really connected with that sensation of being the person in the room speaking your

truth and not being heard, and i wrote that poem that night, and then as the years went on i started thinking to myself, this could also be a message that i think particularly young girls and their allies need to hear you in more than ever. >> you have used your art and your poetry for activism. you've spoken out about racial inequality, climate change. you've spoken out about book banning and particularly after your poem that you livered at the 2021 inauguration was banned. >> yes. >> in a florida school. what was your reaction when you learned that your poem had been banned? >> to be honest, it was a bit like a gut punch. it felt surreal. i had understood that book bans had been happening, but i think this hit me so incredibly hard because not just that it was something that i had written

which was besides the point, but it was a moment in history that as if a child at the school wanted to hear words that were spoken in a presidential inauguration for their country it had been softltly restrictedn that way, but as i started to open my eyes to the broader environment of what's happening now, there are so many book bans happening ght now that are terrifying if you pay attention to what that means for the children's right to read and learn and what it means for teachers and libraries. there have been reports of over 10,000 book bans just in the school year alone. that's a 2 00% increase from lat school year, and i would say if anyone cares just beyond my own work being banned, it is so important to being awake to what's happening on a local level. >> when did you know you wanted to be a poet? is it something that was a part

of you and something that you've always known? >> i think it is a part of me. almost like in my blood. i felt this kind of well of writing even when i was 4 or 5 when mom would have to give me quarters for every morning i stayed in bed and i was 6:00 a.m. and writing because that poor woman would have to get up with me and turn on the lights and even then i was writing like i was a commissioned poet. i didn't know that writing was a job at that point. i didn't know that it was something that i could do, let alone as a girl and let alone as a black person and as i grew and saw examples of that, i knew i would give my whole life to just have this amy craft. >> why do you think poetry is so critical with who we are as a nation? >> poetry has consistently been the language of a people. i think it's the reason why when there's protests you will hear metaphor, you will hear they

buried us, but they didn't know we received and the reason why there's a poem and not a 36-page essay at the bottom of the statue of liberty. when we are speaking as a people to our best shared humanity, typically poetry is the rhetoric that encapsulates that the best. there is something magical about it that is humble, that is hopeful and that is also wounded enough to remind us of the past that we stepped from and the future we want to move to. >> i am usually interviewing politicians who don't want to say that they want to run for this office or that office or run for president one day. you have proudly and confidently said that you want to run for president in 2036. >> yes. >> when you are able to do that. when did you first get that bug? when did you first think i want to be president of the united states one day? >> ooh! that's a good question. i think i was probably 11, sixth

grade. very early. i had delusions of grandeur, as you would say, but at that age i was just starting to become an activist, and i was getting interested in local issues. particularly, i had a friend whose mother was doing work around sex trafficking and i was finding out about that, and i was overwhelmed with the amount of policy that was not in place, and i started thinking to myself, someone has to do something about these issues and i kind of looked around and said why not me? why not now? why not here? i think from a young age i felt the responsibility and opportunity to step up. >> and amanda, poets are a part of the history of this country from robert frost to maya arj lieu. angelou, what do you hope your mark will be? i hope my mark is being a wordsmith and a change maker who speaks in a language that allows our country to return to love,

legacy and connection. >> our thanks to amanda gorman for a great conversation and to see my full interview with amanda gorman go to meet the press.com. that is all for today. thank you so much for watching. enjoy the super bowl. go, birds. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." ♪♪ ♪♪ where accidents happen and insurance companies deny claims a hero rises to get justice for

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