dad jesus has markers. i didn't know what he meant. i asked the right question, colton, where are jesus' markers. he points, dad they were right here. points to the pumps and bends over and touch it is tops of his feet, that is where jesus' markers were, dad. >> when i was in the throne room of god to start with. i was upset because i didn't know what was happening. god used people that, people or thing that is i liked to calm me down. from there on i felt better. >> one day we were traveling together, he said musa dad, you had a grandpa named pop, didn't you? yeah. he is really nice. >> really? you used to work with him on

the farm and shoot stuff. how do you know that? he told me. >> he asked me, are you todd's son. he said he is his grandpa. >> pop was my most significant male role model and killed before i was 7. >> i was busy paying bills. he told me he had 2 sisters. finally i said musa what do you mean you have 2 sisters? you had a baby die in your tummy. i looked at him, how do you know? she told me. he proceeded to describe her. >> she looked like cassie and had brown hair.

she came up and hugged me. >> she wouldn't stop hugging me. i didn't like that. >> i am not really the hugging type. >> i miscarried the weekend of fathers day. we thought we dealt with it and accepted the baby died. when he said he had 2 sisters i was in shock. i knew he had seen her. she is waiting for you guys to come to heaven. >> we talked about heaven. he was telling mel all these wonderful details. i had to ask him, did hell he want to come back. >> jesus colton, you need to go back. he was answering my dad's prayer. >> i remember that irreverent

disrespectful r prayer. >> heaven is for real and you are going to like it. >> that is good to know. thanks, colton. >> it is so cool to know you are going to see your loved one. it is important that they get there. we just heard about heaven, you know what is coming next. reality of hell. we'll talk with one man who says he saw what it was like. he is warning everyone to stay away from this eternal place of torment.

>> according to a recent poll 69 percent of americans believe in hell. but do they believe in a literal hell of fire and brimstone? >> bill wiese does, describes in his book "23 minutes in

hell.">>the lord showed me i left my body. it was not a near death experience. i got up at 3:00 in the morning and pulled out of my body. i landed in a prison cell in hell. bars, like a dungeon, filthy, dirty prison. the heat was far beyond the abilities to sustain life. nifs this place. >> bible talks about hell as a prison cell, doesn't it? >> there are many scriptures. not really to believe my experience. i am a sign post to point them to the scriptures. i was placed to a large raging

pit of fire, real flames. i could foresee people. it was terrible to see people literally burning, on fire, screaming, the screams were so loud and deafening, you want to get away but you can't. >> were you able to talk to anybody? >> no. even though those people are in the fire, you are completely alone. you never get the enjoyment of conversation. you could see through the flames a bit. it is so pitch black in hell. >> were you scared? >> terrified and i was attacked by a shark. >> you used to surf. >> it is for all eternity. >> you knew you would always feel this fear.

job 7:9. >> did you have a knowing at all, i am ago christian, i am going to be getting out. >> god blocked it from my mind so i could experience the hopelessness. if i was there as a christian, i would have known, praise god, he will get me out of there. as an unsaved person, he wanted me to experience the hopelessness. that is the worst part knowing you will never get out. >> your skin, they dug into you. >> you weren't dead? >> right. >> we are eternal beings. you live forever eithers. in heaven or hell. your body keeps existing through this. you are thirsty. you don't get as drop of water. like the rich man in luke 16. you don't get to eat or sleep or rest. these are all things. one thing would be horrible to

endur. you have to endur all of that. >> why do you believe god wanted you to experience this? you were a normal christian guy in real estate. you weren't going through anything traumatic. >> i have been a real estate broker. i was no a billy graham. he wanted people to know hell exists. it was prepared for devil and angels. man has a choice, because he loves man he gives them the choice. your own words will condemn you. if you don't believe in jesus christ, you will end up in this place. know eing jesus is the only way. >> people might not believe it. what do you tell them? >> i am not here to convince them to believe my experience but the word of god.

i am a sign post. check out what the bible has to say. everything i saw is in the bible. that is what is important for people to believe. not my experience. >> a lot of people are giving these to their unsaved loved ones. >> the important thing is let people know, god is a loving god we serve. he is trying to keep people out of hell. they have to make up their mind. he doesn't send anyone to hell. it is a misconception. all of us above the age of accountable are on the road to hell because of sin. >> bill's books, everything he experienced he backs it up with scripture. >> that is more important. to learn more about what bible says about heaven and hell about who is will go there and

who won't, viz sit our website at cwnews.org. we'll be back right after this.

>> remember those chilean miners. well, they survived 69 days underground and now own a pilgramage to the holy land. >> chris mitchell in jerusalem talked with them about why this visit to israel is another part of their rescue story. >> the chilean miners and families followed by press from around the world begin their 8-day tour with a visit to jerusalem's old city. >> for all of the miners, this is their first visit to jerusalem. they are tracing the steps jesus took to calvary.

they took pictures, listened to tour guide, experienced the local color and walked through the narrow allies by many souvenir shops. they captured the imagination and hearts of people worldwide with their resilience and dramatic rescue. jose henriquez played a pivotal role by leading them through prayer. now serves as their spokesman. >> god has taken this accident which was terrible through prayers people praying around the world. he has used it for something good. turned it around. >> jose henriquez says 20 of the miners ak accepted jesus christ as their savior. now being in jerusalem. >> it was a great blessing to be here. the god who rescued us from the

bowels of the earth is a god of mercy and so thankful. >> father fergus clark. many believe jesus was crucified, died and rose again. >> we would welcome any pilgram, there is a special meaning because of their rescue. it touched everybody in the world. now we can try to relate that to the great rescue from sin and death by the death and resurrection of jesus. >> they came through an invitation of israel's tourism. >> we tell the whole world, the holy land, israel is a place to come and pray for god. if you wants to say thank you, god, this is the place to do it. >> the miners did just than when they came to the western

wall and offered prayers of thanksgiving. richard, the 28th miner rescued, his wife dana gave wife to their son 6 days after. it is a gift from god i am here today. chris mitchell cbn news, jerusalem. >> their story really captured the imagination of the entire world for those 69 days. incredible. now they are sharing the good news of jesus christ. >> that is all for this week's show. (speaking in international language) and he said unto them go ye into all of the world and preach the gospel preach the gospel

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