republicans just stay home because they told them now, i can't support the nominee, maybe you shouldn't either, and the deposition are going to hit them over the head between now and election day on, okay, so this is what made you decide to abandon donald trump? it wasn't what he said about members cans, it wasn't what he said about women in in campaign, it is something he said 11 years ago, this is political ex-peed expedience. >> dickerson: i mean think about this his own running mate refused to campaign for him on the eve of this debate and less than a month to go. >> >> dickerson: norah, another, perhaps there are players out there who still haven't, he was disinvited from paul ryan's wisconsin, unity event that major talked about that was put together by reince priebus, the republican chairman of the party. disinvited by the house speaker be 2 house speaker has not moved to the problem portman position or the kelly ayotte position which is i am not going to voee for him. is he the -- i mean, there is a

you think paul ryan, what do you think he does? >> well, this isn't just a, this is a conscience call for many people and seeing an emerging split in the republican party not just denouncing but what does it do or take a stronger stand and say we can't elect this person, let's write in some of the other people, such as rob portman as i mentioned earlier has said. i think it is a real struggle for the speaker of the house, paul ryan who was heckled at that appearance yesterday by leadership of the party, that has to look beyond this election to the future of the party, i think it is essential in american democracy you have two strong political parties. they are a check on one another and at this point we don't have two strong political parties. and tha that is necessary for a strong government a in a democracy. >> dickerson: bob, you moderated these debates so what if you were on the deck tonight and about to come up or had to come up with questions on these

ask about the elephant in the room and i think, i guess what i would say would be this. mr. trump, if some man did to your daughters what you were talking about in that debate -- in that tape, would you think that was cool? would you be okay with that? >> i would watch that answer. >> and the question is, this is a town would there be a question like this in? and there probably will be. >> yes. because this language goes beyond boys being boys. this is pigs being pigs. and i think that it is not a distraction. it is an issue. >> but there are some democrats that hillary clinton will overplay her hand and go after him too hard. they say look he is digging a hole by himself. republicans are helping him. stay out of the way.

aggressive that he needed to be last week and so they are a little bit worried that the clinton campaign will see this as such a huge opportunity that it will go further than it needs to. >> there are two unknowns one we will get the answer to tonight and one we may never get an answer to. many republicans bailed out yesterday because they got the sense there is more coming on donald trump that this is not the only revelation that will carry with it a tech tonic plate changing .. bit possess explosiveness and they don't want to be a part of it and about that. the other is tonight. the conference call with house republicans tomorrow, because speaker ryan was persuaded by those in the rank and file, give him a chance in debate number 2, let's all assess after that. so what trump does or doesn't do tonight will have a great deal to say about how resilient the elected republican house support for him, rank and file and leadership remains. >> dickerson: a lot riding on

debate and of course the format, along with these charges, i mean, charges a of what some are calling sexual assault, biden says this the amounts to sexual assault at the time you have a male nominee and a female nominee on the stage, they are, with podiums, chairs where they can sit down and where they can approach audience members, it adds, body language becomes important in this type of debate. i mean, going back and reading about town hall debates and looking at the past ones, in 1992 with bill clinton who firsr town hall debate and his advisors were chopped george h.w. bush agreed to it because he thought he could emote better and the capture audience members attention better. >> dickerson: quickly what happens if donald trump goes the second route and brings up bill clinton and his character flaws and we get into that kind of a fight? what is hillary -- >> the, you know, hillary has been planning and preparing forr for weeks because after the first debate he might go there,

says that would be disastrous for donald trump. hillary clinton is the one running, not bill clinton that is like blaming they lan i can't trump for what donald trump said in the leaked audio, so they don't think that is going to be persuasive and they think it might actually engender for sympathy for hillary clinton and you have to know she has got a pretty well planned response. >> dickerson: all right. so great to be with you. thanks for being here. and we will now have a second panel, join us at eastern, 6:00 p.m. pacific.

>> dickerson: and tha at the debate haul here in washington university here this morning, the site of today's main event. now behinds the scenes is joining us now for more insights into the drama are susan page, wash u.s.a. today, jamelle bouie who is the chief political correspondent for slate mag a seen and cbs news political analyst, peggy noonan, columnist for the washington journal and cbs contribute for and john heilemann, comanaging editor of bloomberg politics. peggy, i will start with you. so rudy giuliani said donald trump could have a saint augustine moment, change radically after this event and be a totally different man.

release of the 11-year-old tape. well, i know you spoke to him of the city of god and the city of man, in this world all miracles are possible. people do change their nature and change their character. i am not sure what rudy giuliani was referring to as the reason there might be a change of nature or character. it seems to me mr. trump might speak of his essential nature and what all of that stuff is this evening. >> dickerson: yes. >> yes. >> dickerson: john, what could donald trump have learned over the last year that taught him that saying, sort of in a lighthearted way it was fun to assault women. i am not sure how the two things are connected. >> i think if we are speaking in hypotheticals now, there is a hypothetical miracle that could occur, st. augustine, the more probable hypothetical on the basis of everything we have seen from donald trump's first debate performances, the interviews he has given, the last debate

continuing to attack machado, i think the more plausible hypothetical is he learned nothing and that his performance tonight will be much less st. augustine than something coarser to the things that got him into so much trouble so far on the basis of history there is no reason to think that we will see a new donald trump, none. there is no reason. i am not saying we won't but there is no reason to think we will. >> dickerson: susan, what do you think about this, the departures in the republican party that started to yesterday that seemed to be kind of rolling. again people who aren't just saying it ising,tsk, we have never seen anything like this in modern republican. the republican party chairman reince priebus released a statement, the highest paul ryan disinvited to ka share a stage with him.

endorsement of him. this is a political apocalypse and it is sort of -- we have had october surprises before, we have never had something like this in which a candidate survived and went on to win the election. >> dickerson: there have been a lot of people say, well there have been a lot of these moments donald trump has had and people thought he was in trouble and nothing happens. is this the same situation or -- >> i don't think this is the same precisely because so many republican leaders leaving his camp. i think this is a signal to voters this is very different and i possibility that republicans are courting a kind of triple undervote, that demoralized republicans, republicans who don't vote down ballot because they are angry at the party, most republicans still think, still want trump at the top of the ticket and then also, you know, just, that is a double undervote. i think what is interesting about all of this is that this is the moment which is driving

know, we have witness ford past year a campaign whose central message no the country was if you elect me i will use the power to suppress mexican immigrants, and muslim americans and stop and frisk. it is not flattering about the republican party it is beginning to leave trump when the comment finally hits a group of voters that actually they rely on to win elections. >> dickerson: peggy, i was talking to a s yesterday who kind of brought up this point, with i have, they were thinking about whether to leave donald trump, the worry was, if i leave now, why didn't i leave when his announcement speech was about members cans being rapists and on down the line? they had trouble explaining why this was the thing that was the straw that broke the camel's back and previous ones haven't been. >> yes. maybe. it just seems to me this overwhelming story, i agree with susan so much.

trump. it is not just -- it is not as if he was going up, up, up and something bad happens and he plummets he had been going down and down, now something bad happens. we are a 47, 47 country, more or less. the trump voters in your focus group, more or less said, this isn't going to change anything for us, in a funny way, nobody is as until lucianed about their candidate as donald trump supporters. they had no illusions about hi so it is not as if this tells them anything they didn't know but it will hurt trump with a few of them because nobody likes proof that your fundamental nature is low. i think the proof part of it was hurtful, but still at the end of the day, this doesn't help trump. it hurts him very seriously and every republican i have talked to in the last few days does think it is over. >> john, i think part of your

question, and your opening comment about this, donald trump is engaged in the racist company phobic but he never condoned and in fact practiced a crime. sexual assault is the phrase you used and appropriately used and think for a lot of republicans and a lot of people, that is the thing that is going on. not to excuse him of his previous rhetoric but the thing you can't argue for for many republicans and obviously many democrats is for a nominee who seems to be saying, sexual assault is okay and i have been of boastful about it. that is a different -- that that is a rubicon that has been crossed. i do think it is striking the same morning this came out on friday, donald trump also said, in a statement that he believed central -- were guilty and presumably thinks they should have been executed and that to me is also at a level beyond the pail pale. >> the only thing that said amount that is joh john mechanic kaine a.

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with our panel, susan, you were with mike pence on thursday. where do you think he is on all of this? >> i spent the day with him as he was on a bus tour across pennsylvania. he denounced hillary clinton, you might expect that and i said, you know, there are questions about donald trump's integrity too and he defended donald trump to the little, a goodman, a family man. and i just wonder what trump's running mate would say today if he was sit down for that interview. >> dickerson: yes, he says he has the highest integrity. john, what do you think about the fantasies about there about ticket and pence running, that is what portman said, i am -- >> is any of this being discussed? >> i think it is being discussed actively and major made the point earlier we will have to wait to see what happens in the debate performance tonight, not that i think it will change the ultimate electorial dynamics of where trump is relative to the better, what happens on monday, depending on how he performs. i think the party leaders, elected, everyone has no influence whether he stays in

people who have influence over him, his family, and if this turns into a total catabolism as it seems to be, the trump brand, the family name, the financial implications of that, those kids, ivanka and jarrod, her husband jarrod, and eric trump, tiffany all of them have a lot just talking pure dollars and cents here they have a lot at stake in what happens to donald trump and the family name. i think they are the only ones who may be able to influence him to get out, the only not sure they will, but the only ones who can influence him. >> tonight could be a disaster for trump in part because there is no sense that he has been practicing working on what he is going to do. i mean all the reports are, he has been resisting all of that. this is going to be a hard a night for him. it is in the round. some questioner will properly bring up the mess of the past few days, but as for fantasies about removing him from the top of the ticket, i have to tell

voting in early voting. sticks ballots, eight more join that number by this wednesday. >> dickerson: right. >> when you have 19 states that are already voting, i don't see how you change your nominee. >> i would add to that fact, again, most republican voters want trump at the top of the i cannot. i think the idea that republican leaders could somehow get trump off the top of the ticket, while essentially sticking their fingers in, fingers in the eyes of half of the voters, if they y or civil war that is a disaster and civil war. >> dickerson: let's switch to hillary clinton quickly, these excerpts of her speeches, the ones they have been trying to keep under lock and key finally got out. there is a difference between hillary clinton in public and private. isn't that her underlying challenge? >> it is. and you heard in your focus group how little affection even some of the clinton voters had for her. so this -- and you think we would be talking about that tonight or today and you think we would be talking about bill clinton, the is a situation

she had this great gift of donald trump. >> dickerson: i am struck how much more passion has in the focus group. in is people of all position. more passion when they talked a about hillary clinton and her down side and donald trump they were letting off the hook saying this is locker room behavior. >> i think this gets to what is true, not just the voters but a cross of how we as a country, versus donald trump is that i think we look, people look at hillary clinton and say, she could be a president until we approach her and talk about her could be a president. i think really at face a lot of people don't really believe that donald trump could ever have won. and as a result, there is a willingness to kind of look past, look past things that are, you know, plainly disqualifying and plainly offensive because, again, this is just a con. >> dickerson: john, how damage is the clinton excerpts that are now out. >> ? the context they have been

looking past on both sides is that there are going to be worst donald trump tapes between now and election day and probably worse hillary clinton e-mails between now and election day. i don't know what electoral results it will be but there will be a hailstorm before we get to november 8th and i think four weeks out and these are the things being leaked, just imagine what happens next week and the week after and the week after that, because you don't drop your heaviest shoes a month away fromct entirely about things, they are not about voters and their life, the entirely about the character a of the candidates and their lives a. >> dickerson: we will have a hailstorm of shoes from john heilemann. i want to thank our panel. we will be right back in a moment. >> it's not something you do now and then.

with norah o'donnell, gayle king and bob schieffer tonight for our live coverage of the second presidential debate here in st. louis at the 9:00 p.m. eastern right after "60 minutes", we want to thank washington university school of law for hosting us. we will be back in the other washington next sunday, until then for "face the nation", i am john dickerson. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh

this is the cbs "overnight news." welcome to the "overnight news," i'm reena nina, the presidential candidates returned to the campaign trail after wrapping up one of the most highly anticipated debates in modern history. hillary clintod faced revelations last week that may have doomed them in any other campaign year. for clinton release of transcripts of private speeches she gave to wall street heavy weights. clinton retoed for months to release them herself. they show her favoring free

and admitting that she says one thing behind closed doors and another to the public. but all that was drowned out by the vulgar tape of donald trump. >> hello, how are you? >> in it he jokes he is such a celebrity he can grope and kiss whomever he wants. a lot of republicans have called for him to drop out of the race. here's some of the debate. >> for the record though, are you saying what you said on the bus 11 years ago, you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent. >> i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> for the record you are saying -- you never did that? >> i said things frankly you hear the things i said. i was embarrassed by it. i have tremendous -- and women have respect for me. >> have you ever done those things? >> i will tell you, no i have not. i will tell you, i am going to make our country safe. we are going to have borders in our country that we don't have now. people are pouring into our country. and they're coming in from the middle east and other places. we are going to make america safe, and great again. make america safe again. we are going to make america wealthy again.

it sounds harsh to say, but we have to build up the wealth of our nation. >> thank you, mr. trump. >> other nations are taking our jobs. >> thank you, mr. trump. >> secretary clinton, do you want to respond? >> well, like everyone else, i have spent a lot of time thinking over the last 48 hours. about what we heard and saw. you know, with prior republican nominees for president, i disagreed with them on politics, policies, principles but i never questioned their fitness to serve. donald trump is different. i said starting back in june that he was not fit to be president and commander-in-chief. and many republicans and independents have said the same thing. what we all saw and heard on friday was donald talking about women. what he things about women. what he does to women.

doesn't represent who he is. but it is clear to an one who heard it, that it represents exactly who he is. >> that was locker room talk. i am not proud of it. i am a person who has great respect for people, for my family, for the people of this country. and certainly i'm not proud of it. but that was something that -- happened, l clinton, far worse, mine are word and his was action. his was what he has done to women. there has never been any body in the history of pom ticks in this nation that has been so abusive to women you. can say any way you want to say it. but bill clinton was abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked those same women. and, attacked them viciously. four of them are here tonight. one of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old, was raped at 12.

him off. she is seen laughing on two separate occasions laughing at girl who was raped. kathy shelton that young woman is here with us tonight. don't tell me about words. i am absolutely, i apologize for those words. but it is things that people say, but what president clinton did, he was impeached. he lost his license to practice law. he had to pay an $850,000 fine to one of the women. paula jones who is also hear tonight. and i will tell you that, when hillary brings up the point like that, and she talks about, words that i said 11 years ago. i think it's disgraceful. i think she should be ashamed of

applause. secretary clinton you have two minutes. >> well, first, let me start by saying -- that so much of what he just said is not right. but he gets to run his campaign any way he chooses. he gets to decide what he wants to talk about. instead of answering people's questions, talking about our agenda, laying out the plans that we have, that we think can make a better life and a better country, that's his choice. when i hear something like that, i amin michelle obama advised us all. when they go low, you go high. and look, if this were just about one video, maybe what he is saying tonight would be understandable. but everyone can draw their own conclusions at this point about whether or not the man in the video or the man on the stage respects women. but if i win, i am going to