hello welcome to mosaic. encouragement, exeration is a regular element of this program no matter who is sitting in this chair. today shall be no different. we will be encouraged, exhorted, asked to think about combining mercy and justice. we will do it by way of a video done by the office of public policy and social concern of thearchdiocese of san francisco as far as i'm concerned it is quite good. it speaks from people whose experience has taken them to the deepest of their hearts with family who have been harmed by crime and takes us to

those who have committed crimes and to one wonderful man i am known for years, and am pleased to call friend, deacon value deacon salenger. one of the reasons i like that video and one reason i hate it are people in it are people i know. friends of mine. linda and ralph whose daughter was harmed by crime are personal friends of mine i am so grateful to know them and so very sorry for what they have been through and very grateful for the example they give in today's video. i have known through some circumstances, hair yet and mike whose daughter was murdered by a stalker in stockton many many years ago and whose death has put both of

them as advocates for victims through most of this time. so today, we are going to be encouraged, e or thed, asked, -- exhorted, asked so don't pull up the covers and go back to sleep thinking this doesn't concern us because it does. here we go. i am george director of the office of public policy and social concerns for archdiocese, san francisco. this neighbourhood could be a neighbourhood any where in america. the daughter of the woman who lives in this house is a victim

of crime. the person who committed that crime used to live right across the street. not too far away lives a woman whose son is serving his time in prison. and a few blocks away from her there is the district attorney of the county. they are all catholic, they attend local catholic church in that church there is a deacon who serves the community visiting the jails and the prisons. united states catholic bishops issued a pastoral entitled, responsibility, restoration catholic perspective on crimes and criminal justice. in this pastoral, we hear the voices of people like the people in this community who are involved with criminal justice system. the following video that you will see touches on the concept

in this pastoral, with the hope that it will spark an ongoing, online dialogue about the complicated nature of the criminal justice system especially through the eyes of our catholic faith. we hope this presentation will be informative and thought provoking. now, let us hear some of these voices. all my crimes are related with drugs. drugs have been my down fall. >> just visiting the system you see all the depression, you see a lot of broken down people. >> then provide and have contact, see if there is a possibility of restitution. >> there is no legislative mandate for rehabilitation. only punishment by legislative

mandate. >> you have to forgive. you have to forgive. i shudder to think what life would have been like. you get to a point in life you realize there is a god who can help you who is always there for you. >> my mission here is to try to bring hope to men who feel hopeless. >> i believe res tortive justice is a way of returning men to society in a meaningful way. one of the ways of looking at res tortive justice is taking soil and turning it over. to restore that soil so something can grow. i like that concept because it talks about how we can work with men to help them change. >> i know that some jurisdictions are moving into

the restorative justice model. experts in corrections and state of oregon and minnesota, they have attempted to implement some res tortive justice and it is known by various names as victim offender reconciliation program. if, in fact, that is the desire of the victim, i believe that it is absolutely appropriate. however, i have concerns that victims not be placed in a position of potentially being revictimized but reconciliation can be a very important aspect of rehabilitation. >> she wanted to attend cop university to follow in her mothers footsteps as a dentist. we dropped her off labor day

weekend and received a call this is stockton police department your daughter has been shot. >> little did we know he had planned to murder her six months prior. in order to take a walk and say goodbye to her, he shot her execution style and left her there to die. after that was all over, i asked my husband i said you know, in memory i want to quit my job and volunteer the rest of my life as a victim advocate. my daughter was victimized by a neighbor across the street. as a mother i became very very bitter. very very hateful. and didn't trust god any more. took many years for me to overcome this and it was only

through my husband and my priest who had faith in me. my daughter is 40 years of age and she has joined this wonderful church that has brought her faith back into her life. it has been a long struggle for her but i think she's finally learning to forgive. you have ever right to be angry and every right to question why god why me however, you need faith to get through this. >> you have to forgive you have to forgive or you will just go along. >> i know if i hasn't, i shudder to think what my life would have been like. >> what we are looking for is support from the church we are saying from the church you have gone the other way, you have done that you ought to continue to do your ministry for the

prisoner and rehabilitation we are saying give us the same. do the same thing for us because we need it just as badly as they do. >> today on mosaic it is a pot boiling, mercy and justice. please stay with us for more ,,,,÷x@s>

today on mosaic we are looking at restorative justice. it is not a new name for detention ministry so much as it is about timing for detention ministry. it is an attempt and a brave attempt to help all those effected by crime. we've heard many times that when men and women are in jail, all their families are doing time. there is truth to that. also the victims of their crimes do time and their families. with the catholic church and

what other denominations have done is try to help us see the whole of that experience, just how many ripples there are to crime and the people it effects. today on mosaic we are watching a very well done video, featuring people you might know, people i do know, and it is quite touching, moving, and i think something that will get to all of us if not already, certainly by the times the done. here it is. hanging around with the wrong people, i started doing crack. i started doing it probably once a weekend then all of a sudden more often to the point i couldn't handle it. so i started like robbing people, selling car parts. when i was in jail i thought about a lot of things like why tow make me go to drugs.

i start thinking about my friends, people i hurt. people they had confidence in me i dispoint them. i told my mom and dad and i asked them for forgiveness. you get to a point in life, that we realize there is a god who can help you. who is always there for you. i pray every day now i go to church. i try to keep my relationship with god. i know if a lot of people out there needs help gives me a little bit of attention and you will see a lot of changes. the biggest problem has been his first encounter with the prison system was when he was living with his older son's mother. she accused him of raping her. he got sent to prison for a very long time and from then on it was just a resolving door.

just visiting this system you see all the depression, you see a lot of broken down people, a lot of people that show signs of no hope. well, i had a history of alcohol abuse which ended me up on skid row in new york 1957. the problem got worse to where i ended up embezzling money. i got caught and was locked up. when i was released from stockton state hospital i was not welcome at home and ended up in carmel valley working for $75 a month room and board where at one time i had been a stock broker making huge money life was miserable i ended up under san francisco bay bridge in a cardboard box i got sober middle of june 1976 and never dr. in a million years i would

become ordained as a deacon in the church. it is run as a maximum security prison there are men here who are minimum security my mission here is to try to bring hope to men who feel hopeless and many of the men i minister to are men who are going to be spending probably the balance of their lives if not all of their lives in custody. and what has made this so meaningful is the men can relate to my journey, my alcoholism my drug addiction and my being locked up. >> yeah, when do you go out? >> i think garcia is an excellent example of what happens when men have substance abuse problems and nothing is done in any way to help them. he is now here on a third

strike doing 65 years to life behind a nonviolent crime. >> all my crimes are related with drugs. drugs has been my down fall. using heroine became a way to escape what i was facing at home so what i did i continued on the streets and started going in and out of youth authority from that i wind up in the prison system and i have been in and out for 27 years. and i realized that the way i was living, the people that i was blaming, the system, the bottom line it was my responsibility for the actions i had taken by backing into people's homes and stealing to support my drug habit. garcia is probably one of the great examples of a man who faith has made a big difference

in his life but had he been given the opportunity to get help behind his heroine addiction might not be doing the time he is doing here in san quentin. we are talking about mercy, justice and forgiveness on mosaic today and how the three have a place together when talking about crime, and its victims. throughout the program we will be showing you websites, and resources that you can go to, to find out more about restorative justice and how you can be involved or informed. please stay with us on mosaic.

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welcome back to mosaic. today we are watching a video and extracting from it what we can. it is called restorative justice a catholic perspective it talks about the ripples of crime from its being committed to people being sent the jail for it and family members of that person and the people who have been harmed by it as members of the family of the victims. and how we maybe can help them all through the process called restorative justice. there is no one in the bay area at least that i can as certain who has been more involved in this campaign than deacon george salenger. he has a heart bigger than any of the counties and a knowledge from his own experience and people he has known through his detention ministry and

counselling years that can really bring much to our knowing more about bringing justice and mercy and forgiveness together. stay with us on mosaic. here's more. >> very difficult place to be. i have been going to death row now for over two years. men on death row literally live day by day. each day is a new day for them. in carrying out duties as kiss trick attorney most times there is no -- district attorney most times there is no conflict whatsoever between what we do as prosecutors and teachings of the catholic church. if someone has committed a sin there is an expectation of accountability, confession, and ultimately some sang up the. the one area 234 which there can be -- in which there can be conflicts is a decision we have to make on a regular basis whether or not to seek the

ultimate penalty, death penalty in cases where people are charged with murder and special circumstances. personally, i do not believe in the death penalty yet my personal feelings do not impact what i do as the district attorney because as the elected top prosecutor in my county it is my obligation the see that the laws of the state are followed and imlimitted. >> i have been against -- implemented. >> i have been against the death penalty my whole life it violates the ten commandments in thousand shall not kill it doesn't bring closure, it does not act as a deterrent it does not change anything. the greatest fear men have is dying in prison alone and a sentence of life without parole is more frightening than the death penalty. in practice it is my view we have never had adequate

resources to truly rehabilitate the people sent to prison. there is no legislative mandate for rehabilitation. >> this prison has more programs than any other prison in the state of california. for men who are willing to participate in those programs, they have a really good shot at making chainlings in their lives. your incredible mercy and forgiveness, i pray for todd and frank. >> there should be a system of training, education, job skills, there should be a community kind of program in the prison for the prisoners. >> by releasing all these prisoners and they are not rehabilitated and coming out in the program, we are going to have innocent innocent victims. >> when they come out, it should be part of their

reintroduction into society where they would go to a rehabilitation center for no less than 6 months. it would save the tax payers a big amount of money. >> the recidivism rate in the state of california is over 70%. second highest in the country. doesn't have to be that way. again it will take people recognizing that we are spending all of this money and we could do a whole lot better. >> i do believe that people can change if in fact they are given life skills to function. our current penal system does not provide any basis at all for people to come out of the criminal justice system and change to become productive members of society. >> men can change and it is helping them see the changes that are truly possible in their lives. we have to find a way to restore men to the community.

it has to start at the state legislator level. nothing is going to change until the legislature is willing to look at change. the whole idea of restorative justice began way back with the early abbot. if there was a monk having problems would be sent to his cell and at the time that the abbot felt he was able to spend enough time say in me nans the abbot would go and get him, put him on his shoulders and bring him back into the community restoring him to the community. what a wonderful concept and it would work if we would just give ourselves the chance to do that.

if you are a victim of crime, family member of an inmate, a person working in the criminal justice system or want to volunteer in detention ministry, for more information on restorative justice log on to www.restore justice.com. please stay us with on mosaic

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peace corps. life is calling. how far will you go? today on mosaic we have seen and been part of several areas of life that in certain circumstances would collide but today we are holding hands. crime, perpetrators of crime, victims of crime s the justice system. everyone who came to today's

video restorative justice a catholic perspective came with a clean and good heart. dukes were down. we thank all of them for their help on this. take what you can from this, and refer to the resources and websites we are giving you today. thank you very much for watching mosaic. please join us again

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