andy galvin his roots go back to the california missions his hearts are in the california missions he knows all about them our guest today on mosaic. thanks for being with us. >> thank you glad to be here. >> i don't want to say you are wearing your heart on your sleeve but you have a mission shirt on. >> we them them for sale at mission dolores. all the other california mission shirts. >> if i buy one are they wash and wear? >> yes. >> they dry nicely. >> yes. >> there is one show i would want to have more time for it is this one you have so much to

tell us. california missions you do bill garages, -- pill garages. they are like philadelphia they are there and terrific and huge but they get overlooked. >> right. >> tell us how many are there? >> well, the california missions the main thing to remember. >> you are the curator. >> old mission dolores san francisco, been there since 2004. the reason bill justice hired me was not because i was qualified and knew something about california missions but in the year 1794, my great great great grandfather was baptized in the old church when it was 3 years old. that church dates to 1971 and my great great great grand daddy he wasn't from spain, mexico, england, ireland, portugal, italy france not asia

or africa but across the bay in a town we call rossmore he was a bamewok indian and his wife was baptized there 1802 and she is from a town we call castro valley, hayward, she is aloni. he is baymewok i have a long term relationship with the place. >> you live in san jose. >> that is where my great great great grandfather planted a tree when he moved in 1818 and married a patwin indian woman there our family tree is there and we are very much involved. >> your folks are with you. >> mom and dad work and live with the sisters of the holy family and the dominican sisters across the street. >> what is the best thing about the california missions. >> i am very involved in the

cannonnation the friars let me have his ring after he passed away. >> a francis can. >> yes, 40 years from 1958 to 1998 and we had beatification 1998, presented john paul two and was able to meet the holy father afterwards. >> is there anything to clear up about father sarah? about his good work that some times is misinterpreted? >> often sarah's detractors, good scholarship is undoing a lot of claims so when cannonnization comes the news media won't go for sensationalism he was a holy man who lived a holy life here in california but that is only

15 years of his life he was as many years in mexico and 35 years in spain but the one thing i would want to say about sarah, today sarah, when we find a good person in a very very bad situation, you know often we will find school teachers, some times media will do a story about a school teacher down atkin coast copying papers -- kinkos copying papers out of a textbook because they can't afford textbooks. sarah was like that a very very good man in a bad institution we call colonialism. >> this is a great story one we hope will continue in saint hood at some point down the road. >> we are looking for a miracle right now. >> tell us about dolores. our mission church is the

oldest standing attacked building in the city and county of san francisco, as well as the oldest standing attacked -- intact building dedicated to christian worship in the entire modern state of california. no other four walls dating from 1971 that are intact and still together. people -- 1791 that are intact and still together. people at the presidio, say we have three crumbling walls, mission dolores they are intact. then people in monterey our stone church dates 1794 i have to remind them 1791 someone needs to change the bull on the. they are three years younger. >> it is a wonderful place and you have the grave yard. >> cemetery, that vertigo was shot in, over 6,000 indians buried, 5,000 other people that came from the gold rush but i

can walk a person through that cemetery, go to some of the grave markers that are still there and it is a virtual whose who of san francisco over 10 dissertations written on people buried the first one starts with the indians. >> tell us about that. you come from native american stock. >> yes, my ancestors are buried there. >> you like the word indian. >> i prefer the word indian i didn't hear native american until i start d high school. one of my professors pulled me aside and said andy don't do that. i didn't understand the big words indian is a term my grandmother used she self- identified as an indian, berkeley politically correct like to use native american. where were you born? >> door by pennsylvania. >> you are born in america. i tell people you are born in north, south, central america, you are native american.

the goal i have is this we all tone history if we don't own -- you are a native then indian history isn't your history if you claim to be a native which you are by birthright the history of the indian world is also your history. >> thank you for that. we will sneak away and be back with andy galvin if you have any fourth graders asleep in the house wake them up that mission project is something he can help them with

welcome back to mosaic. today we are here with andy galvin his heart and soul and beginnings are in the california missions he is a curator for mission delores here in san francisco. you -- tell us about this

pilgrimage i don't think we know about the opportunities there are to see them in different perspectives. >> for ten years now, francis can pilgrimage company has been putting together tours to the california missions. rather than do all 21 missions upper san diego to sonoma in one trip it is divided into three segments, one year would be northern missions from sonoma north to solidad south. south would be san antonio you, south to bona ventura and south san fernando to san diego. >> pilgrimage is not a tour it is going to each site, focusing on the saint or name of that mission, spending time at each mission in prayer, and we tell the history we provide background of the indians there, the padres who were

there, politics that happened, presidio the francis can pilgrimage company started 40 years ago taking francis cans to assisi and it was assisi in rome and then developed into a little more and finally what do we do about people in the united states so it was california pilgrimage >> chef these are several day events. >> usually a week long we stay in a francis can retreat house so we try to avoid staying in the city near the shopping and theatres and that type of stuff because we are on pilgrimage it is not a retreat, not a tour but we go as pilgrims to these missions and spend time in prayer at each mission plus doing the historical tours. >> you have a hard time keeping me away from the bakeries. >> and the casino is right next door. >> but i love that mission this, i had a family issue i had to be in santa bar are and

i came back and father michael mahoney was pastor he let me camp there let me stay overnight. i felt surrounded it was just so peaceful. >> the missions are great places however we need to remember the indian experience was not that peaceful. it was colonialism is not the best thing around if you are a native people in a foreign country coming in, it is politics going on today. foreign country comes in they want to exploit the people there tell you we are doing something good for you in the meantime we are taking all your gold away today we take their oil away and say we did something good for you but i celebrate in our family that the francis can missionaries brought our faith you have to look at the system what was good most of my family that i am aware of are practicing catholics. >> it is wonderful we have people like yourself, curator at one of our missions know

both sides of the story and willing to share it. we can say the missions are a no spin zone. >> when bishop bill was our pastor he gave me two directives, one don't embarrass me and two, tell the truth and so that is what we do, trying to even handedly, tell the story not so much the story for years has been told by the conquerors, the europeans or descendents now they are being told by the conquered, us indian folk but balanced perspective, both sides of the story and let people make a decision. >> tell us more of that truth now. let's talk about fourth grade mission projects. >> okay. >> my son is 24 but the 4th grade there, they are staples. >> yes, well, a april grey imagine part of a right of passage for -- pilgrimage is part of a right of passage they

make their way to -- mission dolores we have about 4,000 of them visit each year. we give them an hour and a half long tour of the cemetery, museum and mission church and try to dialogue with them. one thing i have added a few things that kind of emphasize the native perspective, years ago, when the children would send us thank you notes for the docent there would be a drawing of the facade of mission dolores five years ago i had constructed a reed house a house like our ancestors used to live in. now that seems to be the highlight, one they can go in it, two they can stand there and this is where the group pictures are taken when we get thank you notes this is the picture they draw. >> you still love forts. >> yeah, kids are kids and teachers and parents enjoy also the perspective we try to

present. >> are these opportunities available at most missions? >> yes. >> is there a network of curators. >> yeah, pretty much if you have been around there are a couple organizations in california that help support us at our missions one is more of a professional organization called the california missions studies association, and i believe we have their website california.missions.org. >> we will show that website. >> good people can go there and actually have a directory of all 21 missions you can click on to that mission and go and do research and tell the students how to write for information or the websites that give a lot of information. the other one that provides a lot of help to the curators is the california missions foundation cmf the hurst family started it. what they are is a major device for fundraising, restoration projects at our missions and

they also give out grants for money they have raised. >> but do you all talk to one another? mission to mission i have this coming in? >> yeah, we interact california missions association once a year host an annual curators convocation i call it wizards meeting we all get together how is your gift shop doing. >> your support group too. >> give us a 10 second good word san raphael. >> mission san raphael has the best person in charge terry bruiner is trying to get that going and next year in february she is hosting the california mission studies annual conference there. >> we find out about her at the website we are showing. >> yep. >> we will be back on mosaic

welcome back to mosaic. today we are here with andy galvin the curator of old mission dolores in san francisco and a big fan of all the missions and great supporter of pilgrimages to the missiontours and all things. let me point out the shirt you are wearing the shirt with all the missions. >> different missions and different sizes, mission dolores gets a special close to my heart. >> it is available in the gift shop. >> yes,. >> do you sell a lot. >> yes, a lot of tourists will buy them. >> do you have other shirts? >> san francisco typical tourist stuff. >> was this your idea? >> no, our gift shop manager found them i know you can get them at capistrano mission, i believe san diego carries them. san lewis ray carries them. >> i will tell you how much i know about the missions where

is fetz parker. >> he has the big place down in -- >> yeah, he just died. >> we think about father sarah but there was so many people involved in the development of the missions. >> today there are a lot of things you can learn about a california mission i always try to under do the myths one thing people will say is well, the missions were built one day's journey apart like a motel six. never happened. never happened even today if you get in a car they are about 30 miles apart. okay. that was at the very end the height of the missions. most of the missions were about a 3 days journey. >> those lights on the el camino. >> you leave one place in the morning two nights you camp out in the wilderness, day three you arrive at the mission, stay there, visit, replenish supplies get back on the road. >> how is it plotted you know there is a story here

archbishop allemeny when the baby boom time and parishes were developing he drove down the el camino and said buy that lot and that lot how did the missions develop. >> the sites were selected with the harbours the four great harbours of california, san diego, santa barbara, monterey, san francisco they were military out posts the spanish were coming north because they were afraid of the russians coming down and they were already having problem s with the brits, francis drake was robbing the gal i don't knows that belonged to the spanish so the four presidios and then the missions each one had a mission attached because of the way you built a presidio first you built a mission, gathered the indians, taught them how to build a mission and then guess what had them go build a presidio and then the missions in between were filled in. so you went san diego, then mission santa barbara. >> how long a project was it?

>> missions started upper california, 1769 and finished 1834 we often forget that when the missions start in san diego 1769, the mission system was already 100 years old the first mission is 100 years oldier, down in baja so there is over 30 missions in baja so mission san diego i tell people is not the first mission. it is a continuation of a long trip up the kami know real >> i am loving this trip i hope you are too and at home that was archbishop midi who said buy that lot buy that lot we are coming back on mosaic

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welcome back tome sayic. i have been telling -- to mosaic. i have been telling andy to not share anything while off camera so you don't miss anything he has to say. we are talking about the california missions, you are the curator here in san francisco part of the huge 22 mission line here but you have ties to st. mary's cathedral celebrating 40 years in 2011. >> i remember being a high school student, attending the dedication, st. joseph's high school we were part of the choir in 1971. >> here we are a beautiful picture of it. tell us about you i mentioned incorrectly archbishop wall may any. >> he comes to california and this really is country, he had been a country dominican pastor in kentucky and ends up being sent as bishop to month ray and move it is diocese up here to

-- monterey and moves the diocese up here in 1883 he founded sisters of the holy family and holy family day home is across the street. >> donnacahill does a wonderful job. >> 1914, -- 1911 was the time it was selected to build there. >> allemany is out in the country on a horse and buggy, probably east bay or something and the horse is a donkey, whatever it was wouldn't move so he gets out to push the horse to get it to go it takes off there is the archbishop stuck in the middle of nowhere i don't know what our current archbishop would do. if the car died he would get on a cell phone but he is out there in the middle of the country. >> he lived almost in squalor. >> a very simple, a dominican, a vow of poverty but we have stories he lived at the

cathedral there, on grant and the old st. mary's, barbary coast time he had an apartment when things got hot he had a rope ladder and he would go up his ladder and he would pull up the rope behind him and stay there until one of the sisters of the holy family would holler up things are cool now your excellent is he you can come down he would hide out until things got cool i don't know what the archbishop would thing of doing that our poor bishops do some times need a place to hide. >> i say that amen. >> god bless them all they do hard work we don't have much time left we want to get everything out people can google mission dolores. >> go to the archdiocese website get to our parish website. >> can they buy this church online? >> no, but mission san luis ray. we are open from 9 to 4:00 p.m. every day of the week.

>> walk ins welcome. >> oh, yes, come right in organize toured if you contact me we can set up a tour we are trying also to do local parish pill garages. >> how many visitors do you get a year. 300,000 a year. >> all of them walk away with something. >> yes. >> we want to walk away with something today exhort us about the missions. >> they were the way the gospel arrived here in california, sarah is that person who brings that gospel to california that is is why he is a role model for us as a hero how to live a life of a good christian in a changing environment he is a francis can, what is the name of our archdiocese, so we follow sarah, we are following francis and bottom line it is all about following jesus. >> thank you for being with us. visit mission dolores. i am tom burke thanks for

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