could you please wait? are you going to keep talking or let me finish what i have to say? >> good morning. in the toughest republican debate yet, all the candidates picking apart the 9-9-9 tax plan and reaction from president obama's pop campaign strategist. >> police in ohio on the hunt after dozens of wild animals escape from cages and remain on the loose. >> there were grizzly bears and black bears there. there were cheetahs. there were lions and tigers. >> schools are closed. residents are urged to stay inside. we will bring you the latest on this search. >> an apple employees prepare to

bid farewell to steve jobs as the company holds a private memorial for the former chief. we'll tell you who is expected to be there and why there is renewed interest in his $6 billion fortune this morning, october 19, 2011. vi . captioning funded by cbs good wednesday morning to you. a little wet and dreary in new york. hopefully things are brighter where you are waking up. chris is off this morning. >> hopefully staying clear of ohio. >> oh, my goodness. >> what a story with the animals. choo tas, wolves, bears. >> lions. you couldn't make it up. it sounds like a movie but this is reality and what folks are warning to stay inside because they are trying to round the animals up. >> and they are telling everyone to just stay put for now. >> stay where you are. >> until we can control the

situation. >> we'll get you the latest on that. we want to kick off with a look at the fiery republican presidential debate last night. the candidates lashing out at one another. jan crawford is in las vegas with the latest. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. we are in front of caesar's palace. i was thinking about this last night. las vegas, if you are a loser, can be the meanest city on earth. i don't know if there were losers last night but one thing for sure. it was mean. it was the most contentious debate yet. the exchanges were at times personal, especially with texas governor rick perry on the attack. >> mitt, you lose all of your standing from my perspective. you hired illegals in your home and you knew about it for a year. and the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that you're strong on immigration is

on its face, the height of hypocrisy. [ laughter ] [ booing ] >> governor romney? >> rick, i don't think i have ever hired an illegal in my life. >> you -- >> are you going to let me finish what i have to say? [ booing ] >> look, rick. >> the republicans need to follow the rules. what a tough couple of debates. >> i understand that. >> perry was criticized for the immigration policy, giving tuition discounts to illegal immigrants. >> you put in place to draw illegals in which is giving $100,000 of tuition credit to illegals who come in. the big states of illegal immigrants are california and florida. over the last ten years they have had no increase. texas had 60% increase in illegal immigrants. if there is someone with a record of governor with regard

to illegal immigration that doesn't stand up it's you, not me. >> reporter: perry went on the offensive. >> you stood here in front of the american people and did not tell the truth that you had illegals working on your property. >> we hired a lawn company to mow our lawn. they had illegal immigrants working there. when it was pointed out we let them go and we said -- >> are you -- >> you have a problem with allowing someone to finish speaking. i would suggest if you want to become president of the united states, you have to let people speak. >> reporter: perry also attacked new front-runner herman cain. >> i love you, brother. but you don't have to have a big analysis to figure this out. go to new hampshire where they don't have a sales tax and you're fixing to give them one. >> reporter: all the candidates went after cain's 9-9-9 tax plan. >> the reason it is attacked so much is because lobbyists, accountants, politicians, they don't want to throw out the

current tax codes. >> reporter: cain took it really from all sides last night, as did romney. they were both bruised. i don't think either one came away terribly damaged. the campaigns will continue. rick perry got back in the race last night, but the one thing that struck me was what newt gingrich said at the end. he talked about the bickering you saw on stage and said, that's not the way the republicans are going to get to the white house. erica? >> jan crawford in las vegas. thanks. also joining us, john dickerson who is up early in las vegas as well. take a look at this. as jan said, perhaps bruised in a lot of cases. everyone is talking about mitt romney and rick perry. which one of them did what they needed to do last night? >> well, whatever they were serving before the debate they are now serving it in the casinos with the risk-taking and gambling the candidates were

doing. clearly rick perry came to press his case, show passion. he was in mitt romney's face a lot of the debate. he was also -- sometimes he didn't take the bait and go after romney. he took those opportunities to make a forceful case for his energy plan, his record in texas. what was clear from the back and forth is these will be the last two standing. for rick perry who's been in a tailspin this was a good night to get back in shape. >> a big change for him. he came out of the gate, gloves clearly off in this one. we heard it would happen in the last debate and it didn't. did you think the message got through that he needed to be more present in many ways? >> right. the clock is ticking. less than three months before the iowa caucuses and this is the last debate for three weeks. this was a chance to show perry wants it still. there were people who said, you know, it looked like he's sinking into the table. he really didn't want the prize. he looked like he wanted it last

night. that's the beginning of the process for him. he's got a lot of work to do because people are concerned about his record. he's down in the polls. this is a start. >> cain has been up in the polls. taking a lot of heat last night for the 9-9-9 plan. he touts the simplicity of it. that's a part of it. but he was challenged on it a few times. did he articulate the simplicity, do you think? >> no. everybody on stage had a problem with the plan. the national review has problems with it. the tax policy center looked at the numbers and said 84% of people will see taxes go up. there are challenges to the plan. cain said niethese are knee jer reactions. go to the website and do the math yourself. politically, will it hurt him? a lot of cain's answers were not substantial. his numbers went up. republicans like him the most. the more they know, the more they like him.

even though his answers weren't substantively full of protein he may capture the hearts of republicans because of his winning style. >> real quickly, we have a three-week break before the next debate. we have been depate heavy. how do candidates use the three-week break in many ways. >> they work on their organization. they get into the local media. they may start running ads here as well in this brief period. >> john dickerson, nice to have you with us. thanks. >> thanks, erica. >> as republicans look for votes a man whose job they are eyeing is finishing a three-day bus tour in virginia. >> president obama is trying to build support for the jobs bill which failed last week. on tuesday the president vowed to keep fighting for parts of the plan. >> i'm everybody's president. i don't care if you're republican or democrat. this is not the republican jobs act. this is not called the

democratic jobs act. this is the american jobs act. [ cheers and applause ] >> everybody will be better off if we pass it. >> joining us this morning is the president's chief campaign strategist david axelrod. good morning. >> good to be with you. >> what did you think of the debate? >> it was interesting. look, if you're an american worried about jobs or how to restore security for the middle class there wasn't much in it. herman cain wants to raise taxes on 85% of americans. romney thinks we need more and faster foreclosures. there was a revealing moment when they were having the exchange you saw on immigration. mitt romney finally conceded, yes, i had illegals working on my property from a lawn service. he said, i went to the lawn service and said, i can't have illegals, i'm running for office. not it was wrong or illegal, but i'm running for office. i thought that was the most unintentionally revealing moment of the debate. >> you had some of your

strongest words for romney. is he your primary focus now? >> i don't know who the candidate will be. he's been bumping along at a quarter of the vote in the republican primary. there is resistance to him for just the reason i said. i think there is a sense that there is no core to him. he said last night that his program -- we modeled our health care program largely on what he did in massachusetts. now he says i never intended it to be a model for the nation. in 2007 he said, this will be a model for the nation. time and again, governor romney switches from one position to another. apparently because he's running for office. >> let's talk about running for office when it comes to the president. a lot of criticism over the bus tour. is it campaigning or not? he says he's speaking to the american people because he doesn't feel he can get washington to listen. he said he doesn't feel there is a sense in washington they are moving with the urgency required. what is the president doing then to speak directly, especially to republican lawmakers to help

pass these individual parts of his jobs plan? he has to go back to them at some point. >> erica, 63% of the american people support the american jobs act. they want action now to put people back to work. they think the proposals the president put forward will work. he wants to enlist the american people to talk to lawmakers, talk to folks on capitol hill. >> do you see it happening? obviously the american people aren't casting votes in this case. they have already cast them for people who are supposed to -- >> they will cast them again. believe me, people on capitol hill are aware of the fact. you will see action on pieces of the bill moving forward. it is important. if it's an inside game, we will never make progress. we have to do this together. the president, the american people putting pressure on congress. on those republicans in congress who have been no, no, no to everything the president has proposed. to say let's move together to start solving problems instead of scoring political points. >> you say you are enlisting the american people but you are

doing it also in swing states. how concerned are you now about the states that went your way last time around? >> i think it will be a close election. anybody who says otherwise isn't telling the truth. we had the wind at our backs the last time and 47% of the american people voted the other way. this is a closely divided country in a tough economy. i am confident we'll win. the president has a vision about how to get people back to work and how we restore the security that the middle class lost in this country for a long time. you watch the republican debate and there is not a lot to give you hope if you are a middle class person in this country that they understand what's going on in the lives of the american people. >> criticism, too, is the hope they had when president obama came into office, a lot of people are looking for it from both sides this morning. nice to have you here. >> thanks for having me. now to the hunt for dozens of dangerous animals in eastern ohio. a crazy story here.

bears, wolves, big cats and more. >> they escaped from a wildlife refuge as the owner committed suicide. schools in the area are closed. people are warned to stay inside. wbnn is in muskegon county, ohio, with the latest on the story that the entire country is following. >> these are wild animals that you would see on tv in africa. now we are shooting to kill. >> reporter: more than 50 law enforcement officials, some equipped with night vision armed with assault rifles hunted the animals through the night. at last word 30 of 48 escaped animals have been shot and killed. staffers from the zoo are on hand hoping to tranquilize and capture the animals without killing them. >> human life is at the forefront here. it was getting dark. the sheriff knew he had to do what he had to do. we can't tranquilize them in the dark. it upsets them.

they can take it out on deputies. already a bear tried to go after him in a cruiser. >> the cages were left open. the fences unsecured. the farm's owner terry thompson was found dead inside when authorities came to check on reports of animals roaming free. police said several aggressive animals were circling near his body. one neighbor said he was in legal trouble because of the animals. >> from being here in the past, mr. thompson brought all types of animals in here. we dealt with the situation for a long time. there have been all kinds of animals here. >> they can be dangerous? >> yes, high potential. >> reporter: we are getting word terry thompson may have killed himself. how these animals got loose, that's the next question. there are signs all over the highways right now warning people to stay in their vehicles until all of the animals are caught. back to you.

>> actually not far from where tino gave usupdate, the sheriff says 33 of the animals have been identified. they have a good portion of them, a handful that may be left out there they are working on. that update coming 33 to 34 identified. we'll bring you more throughout the show this morning. >> one of the more unusually stories you will see. >> indeed. >> all right. now more news from the news desk. >> good morning, everyone. a terror scare overnight brought out the fbi in san antonio. two men were arrested inside the county courthouse this morning. a third man in an rv was also arrested. they only face burglary charges. the men told police they are french moroccan and muslim. social security recipients will get a raise. this morning the government

announced a cost of living adjustment. it will be 3.6%. this is the first increase since 2009. seniors receiving the average benefit of $1,082 a month get an extra $39 a month or $467 a year. a two-day general strike shut down most of greece this morning in a showdown over the country's financial crisis. huge crowds of protesters marched on greek parliament which is voting today and tomorrow on austerity measures. elizabeth palmer has more from that. >> i'm standing in the center of athens in front of the greek parliament. what began as a very peaceful demonstration this morning with tens of thousands of workers has suddenly turned violent. you can hear the stun

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we continue to follow breaking news in san francisco. southbound 101 all lanes shut down because of this earlier multi-vehicle crash and big rig fire. chopper 5 is live overhead. southbound 101 is shut down between the 80 split and cesar chavez so use the 280 extension out of san francisco. it's a mess for the bay bridge commute. folks are forced to use the harrison, fremont street off- ramps. in fact, you can't even get past the 9th street exit. it's jammed solid on the upper deck. it is backed up all the way to the maze. use bart. all trains are on time. that's traffic. for your forecast, here's lawrence. >> elizabeth, more gray around the bay area today. low clouds and fog have surged well onshore. going to be slow it break up. neat shot from mount vaca for you. it has moved well inland. mild temperatures this afternoon. 70s inland, 60s and 70s around the bay and 60s patchy fog at the coast.

welcome back to "the early show." i'm erica hill along with jeff glor. chris is off this morning. just ahead, dewey bozella's remarkable story. we first brought it to you last week. >> we love him. he spent 26 years in prison for a murder he did not commit and acquitted two years ago. all that time he worked on his dream to become a pro boxer. overthe weekend he fulfilled that dream and beating his opponent more than half his age. there he is. he is here to tell us about that exciting night and what is ahead next in his life. >> looking forward to that interview coming up. another dream realized as well. when missouri senator claire mccaskill decide is it was time for her it to lose weight she did something fairly modern and

nontraditional for a lawmaker. she turned to twitter for a little support and it worked. she has lost 50 pounds in five months! and we are going to check in with her this morning just before her morning workout to find out exactly how she did it. >> now she is going to box dewey bozella. >> exclusively right here on "the early show." >> will not happen. first, prosecutors in the manslaughter trial of michael jackson's doctor plan to rest their case today. dr. conrad murray's defense lawyers will call their first witness and likely put jackson and his behavior on the trial as national correspondent ben tracy reports. >> reporter: for two years now, the question has been who is responsible for michael jackson's death. >> inconceivable. incomprehensible and unacceptable. >> reporter: in court last week, three medical experts pointed the finger directly at jackson's doctor, conrad murray, who gave the singer the powerful sedative propofol to sleep. >> through his actions he caused michael jackson's death, is that

correct? >> that's correct. >> reporter: the end of the week, defense lawyers will begin laying out their case pointing the finger at michael jackson. >> don't expect the defense to confront the mountain of evidence building over dr. murray the last few weeks. what they will do is narrowly focus their attack on the two minutes when dr. conrad murray left michael jackson's side. >> reporter: murray attorneys are expected to argue that during this time jackson gave himself another dose of propofol and took eight tablets of the anti-anxiety drug lorazepam and that is what killed him. >> they will say murray cannot be responsible for jackson's death because it was an intervening factor that contributed to his death. >> reporter: murray's defense team is expected to call 15 witnesses to the stand. ben tracy, cbs news, los angeles. >> joining us now is jean casarez who is kolvcovering the

jackson trial for "in session" on true tv. do you think the prosecution proved their case? >> prosecution did a great job. head so much would work with and going toward the extreme deviation of the standard of care. when you look at that bedroom and you look what was done and what was not done in administering padminister ing propofol. it is who caused michael jackson's death. if the jury believes that jackson swallowed lorazepam pills they cannot convict conrad murray. >> what does the defense team need to do or what should they do, do you think? >> they have focus in on michael jackson. i don't think they have to absolutely make a mockery of his life, but they have to show the person he was, that he was so uptight, he was paranoid. he wasn't making rehearsals.

he wasn't well. he was absolutely scared to death to go on the road for this big concert tour because of that. he needed to sleep. he would do anything to sleep. a lot of the jurors have family members that addicted to alcohol and drugs. they have got to show that addict mentality so a juror can say, you know? an addict will do what they have to do and sneak behind their back to get what they want. for michael jackson take pills and inject propofol so he could rest. >> does dr. conrad murray testify? >> you never know until it happens. i don't think it will happen. number one, we have seen all of these women take the stand that were girlfriends of conrad murray's and it was all relevant because he was on the phone with them during the morning hours when michael jackson was trying to sleep. but he was married. he is still married. that will come out if he takes the stand. also after he gave that one

statement to police, police tried to contact him four times for additional information. now 3 out of the 4 went to his attorneys. they may have stopped him from talking, but they don't want that to come out. on the other hand, ed chernoff, lead attorney, told me before the trial we don't take plea deals because guilty people take plea deals and we are innocent. with that theory, maybe innocent people take the stand. >> jean, thank you for your time. >> you're welcome. thank you. >> case should be over by middle to end of next week so we should know soon. >> boy. a few bomb shells so far so we will see what else comes up. terrell brown is here with another check of the other headlines we are following this morning. we have been talking about this all morning long. bizarre down right scary. more than a do you see dangerous exotic animals on the loose this morning in eastern ohio and escaped yesterday from a 40-acre

private farm. lions, bears, cheetahs and wolves. cages at the reserve were let open. the farm's owner was

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>> reporter: when dewey bozella won his first match saturday night by pounding an opponent 22 years younger, it was more than a lifelong dream. for years, it seemed an impossible one. >> i just wanted to know how it felt like to be a pro and it felt real strange. >> reporter: strange because bozella spent most of his adult life behind bars. in 1983 he was convicted of carrying a 92-year-old woman and sent to prison. for 26 years, he maintained his innocence. >> i had to learn how to take myself from a bad situation and make it a better situation so i found my own peace through boxing. >> reporter: in 2009, he also found justice when lawyers won him a new trial, proved him innocent, and walked him out of court a free man. free to pursue his dream. >> believe in your dream. believe in yourself. don't let nobody tell you what you can't do. >> reporter: bozella's mantra paid off saturday night with a victory in his one and only professional match. leaving him undefeated! bill whitaker, cbs news, los

angeles. >> dewey bozella joins us live this morning. undefeated just like floyd mayweather. >> that's how i'm going to keep it too! >> good morning, dewey. >> good morning. >> are you sore? >> no, not really, no. i'm pretty good. >> you feel pretty good now? >> yes, yes. >> only a couple of days after now. >> following that, i worked out ge again. i felt energetic and proud of what i did and happy that i got the opportunity to fight a pro fight, you know? i think that was one of the dreams that i had been waiting for since i was in camp for few months and i felt my dream was taken from me and to have that opportunity to live that out was a mission that was very good for me. >> has it all sunk in yet? there is so much more to this for you personally than just a win than being an undefeated boxer at this point. it goes so much deeper. >> i think that, you know, the deep part is let people know to never give up on their dreams, you know? see, they always -- they get in

the way. i say my thing never let fear determine where you and never let fear determine where you're going. the key to anything you do in life is to believe in yourself and boxing helped me to believe in myself, you know, through morals, obligations, discipline and that is what i use in my everyday activities to survive not only in prison but in society as well. >> were there times in vision you were envisioning this moment? could you envision those moments standing in the ring and having your arms raised winning this fight? >> definitely not with burnout hopkins. burnout hopkins, no, that was way beyond my dream. i thought there would be in small club where i go in there and get a fight and go out but to be on national tv and have the explosion i got, never thought of that at all. >> hopkins is 46? you can fight him next. >> no, hopkins will destroy me.

when i was up in burnout hopkins camp up in philadelphia and i was working with danny davis and rick and them, moses, everybody they didn't treat me any different. they made me work. they had me going out with 26-year-old guys. i had one getting ready for a championship fight and that helped me prepare myself for the fight. >> it clearly paid off. so much, the physical training but also the memts part of it. >> yes. >> in reading a few things you didn't let your emotions take over. and that maybe is a test not only of the 26 years that you spent in prison, but also to the beauty of being at the place where you are in your life. when you're younger, would it have been a little bit harder, do you think, for you? >> i think the maturity came over the years, you know? prison wakes you up, you know? you going to do two things. you going to get yourself together, which i chose to do, because i went and got my bachelor's and master's degree

and over 52 certificates with a few trades. or either you're going to choose a life that is going to say negativity. i got around a couple of people who helped me to build a better bond with myself in life and i ran with it. i really ran with it. i did what a lot of other people did. use the system for a better way of getting an education. >> quickly, you're done, without question. >> done. >> no more fights? >> no more fights. i'll spar with people. i'll work out with people and i would love to learn the game of boxing a little bit more if i can. i will sit down and do announcing. >> oh, nice. >> my thing is to get back to the kids. you know? dewey bozella foundation and to let kids know through boxing that they can turn their lives around the same way i did and to never give up on your dream. don't let nobody tell you what you can't do because i used to sit up there inside the prison cell and people say this will never happen and now look at me. you know? it was a blessing of god and a blessing you don't receive too

much in life, but through persistence and being sincere and having it in your heart and mind is got me to the level i'm at now. >> quite an inspiration. really great to have you here. >> thank you very much and i'm very grateful for this opportunity, you know? and to let everybody know throughout the world that my thing is everybody who is locked up, everybody who is going through changes, everybody who is feeling that, you know, they just want to give up and there is no turning around, believe in yourself. >> keep going. >> thank you. >> dewey, thanks. we will be right back. stay with us. you're watching "the early show" on cbs. yeah, over 100 years worth. okay, so you mean you just ignore the environment. actually, it's cleaner. and, it provides jobs. and it helps our economy. okay, i'm listening. [announcer] at conoco phillips we're helping power america's economy with cleaner affordable natural gas... more jobs, less emissions, a good answer for everyone. so, by reducing the impact of production... and protecting our land and water... i might get a job once we graduate.

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b-s five... i'm grace lee. to be about noon good morning, 7:55. i'm grace lee with your cbs 5 headlines. it's likely to be noon before a stretch of southbound one within opens. a big rig crashed and burned around hospital curve this morning on 101. the overturned big rig has to be uprighted and then the bridge rails and elevated road will be inspected before it opens. an employees-only tribute to steve jobs begins at 10 a.m. at company headquarters in cupertino. some apple retail stores will close for a few hours so that their workers can attend. apple stores rarely close during business hours for anything other than product launch preparation. and we are going to update your traffic and weather coming up. ,, ,,,,,,,,,,

good morning. it is pretty much a mess getting into or out of the city no matter where you're coming from because of this earlier big rig crash that shut down southbound lanes of 101 through hospital curve until about noon today. so use the 280 extension to try to get out of san francisco. now, for a while, northbound traffic was not really impacted. now we have had a couple of accidents including a pretty big one blocking up to two lanes northbound 101 past the

280 exit there so obviously it is slow ride from about 3rd street heading into downtown san francisco. what's interesting the people have gotten the message avoiding the bay bridge. there is no delay behind the pay gates. the metering lights are on, it is still slow past treasure island. they are not letting cars past the ninth street exit. that's traffic. here's lawrence with your forecast. gray at the beach and staying gray at the coastline all day long maybe glimmers. sunshine but temperatures downs across the board. mild numbers this afternoon. 75 and sunshine into livermore. 57 in the napa valley and 74 degrees in santa rosa only 67 degrees though in san francisco. next couple of days we'll keep the temperatures down just a bit but i think as we head in toward the weekend, high pressure builds in. likely going to see an offshore wind kicking in. temperatures going to be soaring up into the 80s inland. ,,,,,,,,

♪ it doesn't look very nice out there at the top of the hour here on a wednesday morning. welcome back to "the early show." i hope you're either somewhere where it's really beautiful outside your window or you stay inside. pull up the covers and make somebody bring you a cup of make somebody bring you a cup of coffee and settle in with us. we talk so much about twitter and social networking and how it's changed the landscape. who thought twitter could be one of the best tools to a u.s. senator's remarkable transformation. we want to talk about that right now. five months ago, senator claire

mccaskill felt she needed to tell the world she needed to get in shape and unlike many things in washington these days, itd's been a huge success. senator claire mccaskill turned to twitter. i'm tired of looking and feeling fat. she tweeted to nearly 60,000 followers. maybe talking about it publicly will keep me on track. since then, she has kept her followers in the loop posting updates of her fitness goals and her eating habits. here is a picture of the senator in august of 2010 compared to last month. now five months after that first tweet about her weight, the senator has reached her goal of losing 50 pounds. but she is not just getting attention for her weight loss it was also mccaskill's social media, inviting the public into her private life. something fairly rare for an electioned official. she tweeted saying i did it!

thank you, team charles and my new bff, mr. treadmill. senator claire mccaskill of missouri joins us this morning in her workout ready to go to the gym. great to have you with us this morning. congratulations! >> thank you very much. >> this is a huge goal for anybody to reach. it's a very tough thing to do, though, in public. what made you decide twitter was the best way to help you accomplish this goal? >> you know, my twitter account i look at it as a way for people in missouri to see the whole picture. i tweet about my kids. yesterday, i tweeted about how happy i was that my daughter said she had cleaned her apartment all day. i think it's important -- i think it's important for people to see that i've got the same kind of problems and challenges that everybody else does and, obviously, for a woman in her 50s, figuring out how to stay in shape with a really hectic schedule is a big part of everybody's daily struggle in my state and i think all across the country. >> many women and men can relate

to that, especially the busy schedule. your trainer knew you knew what you had to do. the diet and exercise but the third leg which was missing which was accountability and that is what you got with twitter. >> absolutely. i mean, i knew once -- believe me, i thought long and hard about sending that first tweet. i knew what it meant. it meant that people were going to be watching to see if, in fact, i stayed on track, if i actually made that commitment to workout every day of the week and to really be accountable. and so when i hit that send button that day, i knew that there was no going back. i either had to make this happen or everybody was going to know that i had publicly failed in a pretty big way to get a more healthy weight. >> you got great support and really fantastic feedback from your 59,000 followers, but did any of them join you on their own version of this journey? >> i got lots of tweets from folks that were doing the same thing. lots of ideas, you know,

especially when i tweeted one time about how i had divorced bread and pasta and i hoped that someday we could be friends again. a lot of folks responded to that saying, hey, yeah, if you focus on fruits and vegetables and protein and if that is what you focus on, then -- and you work out, this is not a complicated thing. i think we -- when you're struggling to get there, you make it harder than it needs to be and that reinforcement i got from so many people across the country really was helpful. >> i have to say that was one might have favorite tweets. i was wondering about it. does it really have to be a divorce for you. i was wondering. could it have been a trial separation period or can you work out an agreement with the bread and pasta in the future? >> we are divorced right now but every once in a while it's not a bad thing to not eat actually healthy but it has to be something that happens every once in a while instead of something that happened every night. before i started on this thing i would sit around and feel sorry for myself i worked hard and thought ben and jerry's was my best friend and now it's probably an apple.

>> go with the low fat version as a tweet. quickly, will you keep tweeting about this? because we know maintaining that weight loss is a tough thing in itself. >> yeah. by the way, my twitter account and the people who follow me will help me stay on track because this is now going to be embarrassing. if i managed to get healthy and then i go back to my old ways, it will be a public humiliation. that public accountability, sometimes it's not fun to be so public will you accountable. believe me when i go to the grocery store, i hear about it. in other times in terms of staying healthy i think folks out there paying attention and realizing i've accomplished this will keep me on track to maintain a healthy wait. >> congratulations. we know you're off to the gym. have a great workout. maybe this can inspire you and your fellow lawmakers and maybe you can tweet about coming together. >> there you go. >> senator, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. terrell brown is at the news desk with another check of today's headlines. >> good morning to you.

>> politician in eastern ohio have accounted for all of the wild animals on the loose. the animals were set free by the owner who then killed himself. bears, lions, tigers and wolves were all among those let loose. jack hannah said there was no other choice in the matter. >> human life is at the forefront. the sheriff knew he had to do what he had to do. you cannot tranquilize them in the dark. it upsets them. >> area residents have been told to stay indoors and several school districts have cancelled classes. >> herman cain and his 9-9-9 tax plan came under repeated attack.

perry and romney were going at it. >> i look forward to finding your facts on that. >> i'll tell you what the facts are. >> rick, i'm speaking, i'm speaking, i'm speaking, i'm speaking! you get 30 seconds. this is the way the rules work here is that i get 60 seconds and you get 30 seconds to respond. >> romney said he hired a lawn care firm which had illegal workers that he did not know about. in virginia today, president obama will push for his jobs proposals. he is wrapping up a campaign style bus tour and in abc interview, he acknowledged the campaign ahead will not be an easy one. >> i guarantee you it's going to be a close election because the fact is that the economy is not

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employees will pause today to remember of life of steve jobs who died two weeks ago after a long battle with cancer. here is cbs news correspondent john blackstone. >> the public focus is shifting to jobs, the billionaire investor. >> reporter: at apple's stores, those who admired steve jobs are still leaving messages in his memory. many of the stores will close for a time today as the company holds a private memorial it is its cupertino headquarters. jobs was also remembered by family and friends in a private event at stanford university on sunday. part of his legacy is a fortune, valued at more than $6 billion. >> we know he was a billionaire several times over. he not only had apple but disney and pixar so he did quite well. >> reporter: as apple's ceo he was paid $1 a year. his shares in apple are worth more than $2 billion. >> what matter is -- >> reporter: but his holding in

disney and pixar are worth even more. $4.4 billion. jobs did not part with money easily as he showed in june when he rejected a cupertino city council request for something extra for approving apple's new headquarters. >> do we get a free wi-fi or something like that? >> well, see, i'm a simpleton. i've always had this view that we pay taxes and the city should do those things. >> reporter: jobs was not known as a philanthropist though defenders say he may have simply run out of time. >> giving to the charity is not only writing a check but it involves doing research. he was fighting for his life. >> reporter: in spite of his riches, steve jobs lived relatively modestly in palo alto. this is a neighborhood of multimillion dollar homes but the man who built apple into one of the most valuable companies in the world did not live in a castle.

>> still so fascinating. all the things you are learning about steve jobs in these weeks after his death, fascinating. >> how about the apple stores closing today so apple employees can watch this and remember him. >> a nice touch. the one behind us here behind our studios is open 24 hours. it eeg always open. interesting they are closing a lot of those stores. he made waves with the south beach diet and now back with more weight loss advice. >> dr. arthur agson will tell us how to turn around a lifestyle that could, in fact, be killing you. was taken by someone on the first morning of their retirement. it's the first of more than 6,000 sunrises the average retiree will see. ♪ as we're living longer than ever before, prudential's challenge is to help everyone have the retirement income they'll need to enjoy every one of their days. ♪

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from cutting carbs. >> they changed the portion of nutrients they were eating. >> bad foots with good oils like nuts and oils, bad carbs with good wobs. it came from dr. agatston who developed it to help cardiac patients lose weight. >> very successful reversing risk factor for heart disease. many people told us we had to write a book and give this to the public. that was the origin of the south beach diet. >> he released a book in 2003 and it spent nearly four years on the best seller list. >> when the book came out, it changed the way people were dieting. they became aware they can eat

carbs and fat and protein. >> since then it has expanded into a website and a dozen books selling 23 million copies worldwide. dr. arthur agatston is with us this morning to talk about his new book "the south beach wakeup call:why america is getting fatter and sicker." good morning. >> good morning. >> those words will definitely act as a wakeup call. the book has been wildly successful. people buy the book. you can't make them follow the advice. why are we, in estimation getting fatter and sicker when we know what to do. >> we're spending our days slumped over computers. then we grab fast-food on the way home for dinner. then we say up half the night watching teach, staring and computer screens and not exercising. these are unintended consequences of the march of technology. it's just like air pollution was caused by the industrial revolution. it's all fixable. >> you have a term for the age

group between 30 and 45. you call them generation s. that doesn't mean slim. >> no, no. that's the sickest generation. they are really the first fast-food video game generation. and for the first time since world war ii, rates of heart attacks are going up, not down. what they are really proving is a fast-food, sedentary lifestyle, is trumping the effects of our medical advances. older ages are decreasing heart attack rates. >> whether it's folks of generation s like erica and i, what can we or should we be doing right now to change our diets? >> it's happening in young, educated women. we call them the super moms. they are bringing up their kids on healthy food. they are exercising more. the problem is when the kids go to school, they are exposed to

fast-food often. we have a school program called hops program, kids with less weight gain, lower blood pressure and better standardized test scores and they embrace good food. >> youay we have to start it early and spread it out. you talk about gluten. gluten seems to be a buzzword. it's a serious issue with a gluten allergy. people not allergic to gluten is embracing this as well. is it a fad or something we should cut out of our diet? >> no, i think it is really real. gluten is a protein in bread. over the last 50 years, the bread we're eating today and the gluten in it is not the bread our parents and grandparents were consuming. and we're consuming so much for processed wheat than ever before that it's causing all problems from arthritis, psoriasis, reflux. really even migraine headaches making us feel lousy.

if they will celiac disease, it to be tested for we recommend south beach solution, try a week off. a lot more are intolerant than we previously thought. >> couple of tips, get a good night's sleep, eat as a family and sit less, when you talk about sitting at the desk. the ideal meal for you is what? >> salmon, broccoli, sweet potato, a little dark chocolate for desert. red wine. >> wine, too. >> not so bad. >> i like that. >> salmon, red wine, chocolate. >> sounds like a great meal. doctor, thank you very much. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> for more on the book, it a test, wake up call quiz, earlyshow.cbsnews.com. >> still to come on the show, important news if you plan to travel for the holidays. you've already started looking at flights. you know they are going to cost you more this year. there may be fewer seats this year. here is the good news, we can help you find the best bargains. there is still time.

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♪call 1-800-steemer. struggles with how much tv is too much for your kids. you know they love it. everybody knows this. but now america's pediatricians are telling us that a child less than 2 should not be watching television at all. >> here is the thing. they had said that in 1999. so you've known this. they are saying it again and they are adding more to it this time around. why? why are they concerned about educational video or something our ipod? we will talk about that ahead with dr. jon lapook about those latest findings and limit your tv habits for your kids and find a way to make dinner. this is "the early show" on cbs. it's gonna be a casual thing.

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♪ a hazmat team is on the scef good morning. it's 8:25. let's get you caught up on some of the headlines. tough commute today thanks to to this. a hazmat scene is on the scene of a big rig crash on wednesday bound 80 on san francisco. they are expecting a fuel spill to be cleaned up. two people were taken to the hospital with nonlife- threatening injuries. the 101 connector and bridge rails will have to be inspected before the 101 reopens at 80. san jose police say they have solved a double murder case. 23-year-old ricardo moreno they say shot and killed two san jose state students december 8. moreno was shot to death during a confrontation with police two days later. and a second "occupy oakland" camp is set up this morning a few blocks from the

original one. oakland officials say they support people's rights to protest. we'll have your traffic and weather coming right up. ,, ,,,,,,,,,,

good morning. it is still a messy commute out there. southbound one within remains shut down at the 80 split. so -- 101 remains shut down at the 80 split so traffic is diverted to the central freeway. bay bridge people got the message they are avoiding the bay bridge tonight. it's delay-free approaching the pay gates and looks great all the way up to about treasure

island. then do you start to slow. so again, you can use the bay bridge. you're just going to have to use detours. the 5th street on-ramp is backed up but fremont and ninth street exits are great option. south bay traffic out of downtown san jose, heavy in those northbound lanes of 280 out towards cupertino. that's traffic. here's lawrence. >> low clouds and fog trying to break up around the bay area, still plenty of clouds outside. let's take you out there now. and yeah, it's looking like the clouds trying to part somewhat at least inland. it will take some time to break up though and that means cooler temperatures expected around the bay area for today. numbers now in the 50s and 60s outside but by the afternoon, mild temperatures up into the 70s in many spots inland. you will find some sunshine inside the bay and some 60s into oakland. some 70s in toward the san jose area and 60s patchy fog out toward the coastline. next couple of days going to stay mild. but over the weekend, high pressure begins to build in. that means we may see some warmer temperatures with offshore winds. some of the temperatures possibly up into the 80s over the weekend. ,,,,,,,, 1ñ1ñ1ñ1ñ1ñ1ñ7ñ7ñ;ñ?ñ?ñ?ñ???;?w;<

♪ we are back on "the early show." it is 8:30 on a rainy wednesday in new york. coming up a simple message if you're planning on traveling this thanksgiving or christmas, book that flight now! air fare going up by the day and fewer seats out there to buy.

our travel expert peter greenberg will be here with advice on snagging the best deals. also ahead this half hour, look. we like a little bit of news. >> we like the news. >> sometimes it's referred to as gossip. from magazines to newspapers to tv, gossip has become a multibillion dollar business. there is a knew book, though, that says women and men like gossip for different reasons. you probably could have guessed that but would you guess it's because the way human beings evolve? we will test that theory out in a few minutes. would you believe that one-third of all 3-year-olds in america have a tv in their bedrooms? >> no, i can't believe it. it's kind of disturbing. this morning, an influential group of doctors say it's time for toddlers and parents to their the tv off. dr. jon lapook is here to tell it us why. >> good morning. the average child under 2 watches 1 to 2 hours of television every day but the american academy of pediatrics said on tuesday this age group

should not be watching any tvs or videos at all. >> we are going to play mickey mouse clubhouse. are you ready? >> yeah. >> reporter: when it comes to television and her 2-year-old son ari, nyla kamlet believes less is more. she allows just 20 minutes a day. >> it kind of turns off their brain a little bit. they are not actually having to think. they are not actually having to experience and learn things. young children learn things by experience, they don't learn things by watching over and over again. >> reporter: the american academy of pediatrics says there is no proven educational benefit of television for kids under the age of 2. in fact, in this age group, tv is linked to short-term language delays and possible attention issues. research also suggests television watched by adults can distract children playing in the same room. dr. laura jana serves on the committee that studied the issue. >> the fact of the matter is there is no proven educational benefit for these sorts of programs for children under the age of 2.

implicit in calling something educational means a child or whoever is watching it needs to understand the content and the context. >> reporter: it's unclear if television directly harms the developing brain. but the panel of experts say at the very least, it takes away time better spent interacting with the real world. >> children, very young children and even older children, learn better and do better with three-dimensional interactions. i'm not talking about three-dimensional movies. i'm talking about three-dimensional real life interactions with adults, with their parents, with other caregivers. >> turning, turning. >> reporter: the american pediatrics -- it suggests parents closely supervise any programs their children do see. >> cbs' dr. jon lapook is here with us now for a little bit more. this is the recommendation they put out in '99 no tv for kids under 2 and now now screen time. you mentioned though, it can be tough for people.

they feel like i have to do this for my kids. >> right. don't feel guilty. i know you have got young kids. >> our kids sit in front of the tv all day long. >> welcome to 90% of the parents who say the same thing. a matter of degree. there was no conversation ten years ago about what the effect of this is on kids under the age of 2. we know now that brain is developing rapidly and who knows exactly what neurophysiological changes are going on. all we know specifically they are taking target, this econoac saying you give a kid a certain type of video under 2 it will make them smarter. no evidence of that. >> they say baby einstein. they say they will help but you have to be weary. >> of course, you can never make it perfectly digital media-free in america these days. they say, look. the reality is avoid any kind of video but if you have to do s s supervise it. don't put the kid in front of the television set and go away.

it can interfere with sleep. the idea of putting a kid in front of television and think it will calm them down, it revved them up. >> my 5-year-old it makes a difference if i sit with him because you can have a dialogue. they just zone out. >> they zone out. they actually specifically say don't just put the kid in front of the tv set. you want to leave them alone but supervise a little bit. be near by but let them have alone time for unstructured creative play and let them use imagination. >> the last thing was they made this point specifically what you're watching is important also. so these kids can pick it up. that is the new recommendation. they say be careful what you're watching. the kids hear in the background. jeff, when you watch professional wrestling in the morning, the kids are picking up on it. >> that speaks to news and things. they are probably too young to

hear all that and they get it. >> they definitely get it and evidence it distracts them. by the way, when they hear that background stuff going on, they are less able to fekus on what they are doing. it distracts them like it can us. there is no conversation naetly about the effect of this digital media. can we multitask? the answer is we can't multitask and that is for a another segment. >> i will tweet about that while we talk about it. dr. jon lapook, thanks. for more, go to our partner in health bomb squad is searching the

courthouse and near detention center. details emerging in philadelphia in the case of those captives locked in a basement. cbs news correspondent elaine quijano is in philadelphia with the latest. good morning to you, elaine. >> reporter: good morning to you, terrell. well, authorities say that linda weston imprisoned four mentally disabled people in the crawl space of this apartment building behind me. now their investigation is reaching in other states and the fbi is involved. philadelphia authorities took ten people into protective custody tuesday including six children ranging in age from 2 to 19 in connection with their case against linda weston and her who alleged aapplications gregory thomas and eddie wright. one in custody is weston's niece who was reported missing in 2009. police say she was found severely malnourished and had signs of abuse. >> they traveled with them from

pennsylvania, texas, virginia and florida. >> reporter: weston, thomas, and wright were arrested saturday night after the discovery of four mentally disabled adults in a locked basement. police say weston claimed to be a caregiver but was in fact, taking their social security checks. authorities say there may have been as many as 50 victims. it doesn't appear any of the children were held captive but several were found malnourished. police say more tests are needed to figure out who their parents are. two of them, however, could have belonged to one of the weston's alleged victims. linda weston was convicted of murder in the 1980s and she served eight years in prison. she is now facing multiple charges, including kidnapping. her bail has been set at $2.5 million. >> cbs' elaine quijano in philadelphia for us this morning, thank you. we go to new jersey now. . a case of dial 911 for murder. on friday a man called 911 and said he had shot and killed a

colleague in a real estate office in mot lakes. police say he made the call from his car. >> i just killed someone. >> what do you mean? >> exactly what i said. i'm armed and dangerous. send the cops out. i'm in a parking lot. i can see from every angle. i will shoot at anyone who approaches the car. >> and he was telling the truth. later, he got into a gunfight

you might be just putting away all of your summer vacation stuff, but right now, it might already be a good time to book that holiday travel. >> cbs news travel editor peter greenberg is here to tell us why it could cost you a lot more if you wait much longer. good morning. the holidays aren't that far away. even though it's mid october it

feels it's far but it's not. >> the folks did a chart where they compared year over year prices. october last yearbooking for thanksgiving versus october this week this year. look at the charts. everything up. >> double. >> let me put this in dollar terms on virgin america what cost you $610 last year for a round trip fare from new york to los angeles is now $728. on united it was costing $698 last year and cost you an average $816 and that is on one route. >> it kills you. it's interesting too. the profits. except for american for all of the airlines going up now they are charging us all of those fees and yet charging more for air fare. >> they have parked a lot of planes in the desert because they are worried about fuel and now the capacity is so low that fewer planes means fewer flights and means fewer seats and loss of supply and demand kicks in. this is usually a slow quarter 8 out of every 10 seats and now you know why the fares are going up. >> what do we do? >> you have to pick and choose

carefully. first of all, you want to pick alternate routes. you want to pick alternate cities and go mid week sometimes. let me give you another suggestion. when we talk about thanksgiving, right? i mean, why not go overseas. the point is right now. >> okay. i don't know innocent. >> the point is the deals are out there right now. >> did you like that one? >> di. did you plan that? >> i worked so hard on that. >> that was good. >> no. >> you can use it. >> that's where you go or do the dead weeks. the dead weeks are the two weeks of the year, first one is a week following thanksgiving. let's call thanksgiving what is a obligatory weekend. if you can go the week after the fares will drop 43% and the same thing happens after new year's. >> those are the things we can do. give us an idea. is this going to continue to get worse, by the way? >> it is. because the airlines learned

their lesson from a couple of years ago when they didn't reduce capacity and got stuck with seats and had all of those sales. you will see some sales but few and far between. the folks at kayak are telling me if you do not book right now by november the average air fare for this country in thanksgiving is over $600. >> i don't want to think about that. >> what is the best way to find those? you mentioned kayak which is sort of an aggregator site. are those helpful? >> they are. in fact, let's not forgot social media. flash books on twitter and facebook. last-minute deals you can sometimes get. 40 seats available tomorrow, you can go. >> is it worth signing up for the last minute alerts from airlines? >> why not? best advice is don't go online. the myth is the inventory is online. it's not. only the inventory they make available online. talk to a person and have a

conversation because they may have fares on there they haven't put online. >> push them a little bit. >> they do charge you but if you can save you $700 and think charge you 30, do the math. >> it's worth the 30 definitely. >> the paris retreat. >> average air fares from new york to london $1,200 and now own thanksgiving they are $598. >> you're kidding? i say we do the show from here! >> "the early show" on the road. >> who is with us? come on, america, let's all buy our tickets. nothing more american than paris at thanksgiving! >> that's right. >> peter greenberg, thanks very much. >> they did give us the statue of liberty. >> that's true. 125th anniversary coming up. >> let's celebrate. >> amen. up next, the dirt on a new book. bottom line, it's not being gossiping, it's we have a

biological need to share this information. >> the french gave us fries too. >> i think it was the,,,,,,,,,,,

if you lover to hear, share every little juicy bit of gossip, you should not feel guilty about it. >> a new book says men and women approach it differently. tara winter brill has more. >> he wrote we had sex! >> you slept with dan? >> reporter: whether it's sharing secrets on television. >> disappearing demi or tabloid hype? or dishing dirt in magazines. gossip is big business. generating $3 billion a year on tv, in print, and online. >> i like gossip. >> my wife has a lot of friends and she loves to talk with her friends about everybody else!

i think part of their dna. >> reporter: he might be on to something. according to author john lock, gossiping is part of human evolution. >> if there are people that are behaving promiscuously or do things that don't reflect well on the women of the community, and women have a perfectly good right to try to police the neighborhood and that is frequently what they are doing when they gossip. >> reporter: in his new book "duels and duets,". >> men tend to be aggressive. competitive. jokey. >> reporter: women, on the other hand. >> women are trying to forge relations with a close friend, in part, because that will enable, with close friendship, cooperation. >> reporter: for some women, a good gab fest is a must. >> just because -- yes, it's like venting. get it off your chest. >> for women, it's more after telephone where they can gossip but men we don't want to play

telephone, we want to go straight to the source and cut out the nonsense. >> reporter: but lock argues it's not nonsense at all. should we feel okay the need to gossip particularly for women? >> we should feel okay about it. as long as people are not trying to hurt each other, no reason they should avoid gossiping. >> there is the rub. as long as they are not trying to hurt each other. >> right. never. hear to tell us more is psychologist dr. michelle callahan and bonnie full letter, editor in chief of "hollywood life.com. >> good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> $3 billion a year business, the gossip business. and getting bigger? bonnie? >> oh, yes, absolutely. because we have got so much to talk about. listen. i think that all human beings are born with a gossip gene. we are very curious people. we need to know. and that is why we have actually survived because we need to know a lot of things and when we are sharing gossip, we are really sharing information and we are

looking. when we look at celebrities' love lives or the love lives of our friends we are trying to make our own love lives and relationships and our weight and looks and everything better. >> is it sort of more of an escapist mechanism or is it helping the species survive? >> i don't believe it's helping us survive necessarily. i think we put too much weight on the biological and forget the cultural and social norms we are buying into here. one thing you like to share information because you're bonding and talking with your friend but another thing you're being nosy and snarking and attack the person you're talking about. one thing to get to know more about what the issue is and another thing to really attack that person. >> can we differentiate here, bonnie? so gossip not a catchall and talking about the constructive versus the nasty? what can be the anonymous? >> right, absolutely. i think is there a difference between gossip that is bullying, where you are spreading misinformation. or you are talking -- you are talking about nasty things, that

you shouldn't and maybe you've even made up or passed along. i do think that women use gossip and men as well as a way to bond with each other. if you give out some personal information, then you elicit other personal information which gives you a -- to share. >> we use it also to build status. i say bonnie is a mess over here but you andry not like, so we put ourselves above her and we also use it to build alliances. the more i talk badly about it seems the more we get close and she gets pushed to the outside. that is the flip side, the neglect tichlt i did that in junior high. >> that is the negative side to gossip. should could be a good side but unhealthy side. >> the whole i'm going to tell you things about somebody else because you're like me. you'll think i have this inside information. there is a man in the piece said we like to get to the heart of it and we just share information. i don't know. i looked at you during that.

it made sense to me. >> cut to the chase. >> men totally gossip. >> first of all, i know. hollywood life.com we have lots of men coming to the site. they are just as curious. >> for different reasons. >> they may gossip about sports stars. >> but still gossiping. women call it gossip and when men do it, they call it networking. >> very good point! >> great term! the differentiation is very important to classify these things. >> call it networking. >> research. >> right. research. but it is research actually. i think that is why we like to look at celebrities and how they are handling with difficult situations like a divorce or cheating situation because we want to be able to go, hey, if i was in that situation, could i handle it? could i hold my head up? >> the down side we get a little bit of pleasure when we see the people that are up on the pedestal fall down sometimes. >> and then come back. >> focus on the networking part

of it, the networking. >> research. >> nice to have both of you with us this morning. >> great to be ,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,