good morning training endicott i am honored to be your host this morning are going have a conversation about the collective written books. a fascinating topic to half the conversation on how imagination interests in two words on a piece of paper and is up in a book form for us to enjoy. sandra and debra of both written wonderful books are going to jump in and ask sandra bullock to book a fact? daisies' perfect word a children's book character casey

is a girl that loves words and she keeps track of her favorite words in her green notebook covered with purple polka dots and she has word lists she accumulates and she's just a character that i tickets will be able to relate to the wanted to read a book that had to do the themes of words but not academic book a fun book and a fun story but bringing literature character that is all about language which i have fun with my cellphone find exciting. deborah what is your book about? spirit in nature titi teaching judaism any, ecology on a trail of a book to be used outside and went eroded in the cover recently hope it's messy and dirty and full of the paris and leaves and grass is because it's a tool that we created a co-authored the book for jewish educators it did know about a

term to take its outside and for naturalist that did not but judea's them. either type of person to pick up the book can use it to take people up side to do teaching on jewish themes. it's fascinating about walter brooks is that when we go to a bookstore, or even search the web, we see a book in a person's name or a couple of authors and naturally assume that this person is an author and the traditional sense of writing but in fact both of you right out of different personal experiences and in that way seek to in some ways to educate and expose people to different ideas and understandings in some ways i think the model of what people think of as a traditional full- time author of the next 11 and writing books. i came to this to a background in journalism faster

with words but a little different asserted at the stanford daily and became a news assistant at the new york times and washington d.c. and they're definitely learned about the power and importance that words have in our culture and worked for some newspapers in california and was able to transition to children's books that is been a real joy for me and a different format and to have to say for like the luckiest person compared to the road of journalism we're fact checking it to make things up and it's delightful that taps into a different part of my energy and more creative part that i really enjoy. vote for me i used to say spend more on babysitting fees that ever got as royalties from the book i have been working my career as a national parks ranger and director for number

of years and now i work for the largest jewish and vermin to an organization looking for to take children and adults on hikes and engage them and learning. the curriculum written for that has been all by in the secular world on native americans and there was nothing in our jewish tradition so i wrote this more as a lesson plan a tool that i needed and other jewish educators needed to the writing process was much more about what to people like outside and how can i write this down so someone can pick it up and use it i think a lot of books conserve both conditions. with my actually do have some ideas on my website for teachers and librarians and parents to use the book as a teaching tool

in many ways because i think how we teach kids about words and how we develop a love of boards and language and reading for children is so important for kids and parents and educators. will take a quick break and come back in just a moment.

welcome back. i'm honored to be your host this morning in the middle of a wonderful conversation with sharon sandra and debra both of whom the britain books about the topic of writing books and the book says they've particularly britain but also what books mean to us in society is your

thinking of writing the book each of you and actually writing a to go into the process of editing and working with the publisher and seeing it on the bookshelf know what were your hopes about what the reader would actually get out of what your presenting? that such a long process from conception to actually writing and editing and illustrations added to it in my case and hold in the book in hand and from recent is a children's book " i really hope that people would get out of it is i hope they would see the book the cover which i think is fun and delightful and be drawn to the character and want to know more about the character. a friend of mine sent the most durable picture the but the biggest smile my face of her seven year-old daughter in bed reading my book. and that's what i wanted to wanted it to the book did to

take to bed and eager to read and learn the story of. i would say the jewish to environmental movement has so many aspects to it and involved with a lot of food were can't climate change and alternatives to transportation but the time of ran the books was focused on how to take people into the wilderness have appreciate the glory and the beauty and connect with god when i saw the cover of the book it was so much more beautiful than i had imagined it to be a and i've had this with a great experience and having the but the and published a while ago to meet young adults in particular gardeners' and naturalists into research environmentalist educators who i meet in the ago you wrote that book i still have that book and i think that was the intention that it was something that people won't would find very useful to help them connect jewish people with the outdoors and the majesty of the

wilderness. the one thing that of my book that has been fun as my character create the work less and she likes to make up for its ice on the internet to talk about it's wonderful when i connected a little girl in canada reviewed my book and said one thing she liked it but it was making the words she put in her review of her favorite made up words and i thought it was delightful. world wide connection with something that out there. there's so much conversation in the world at large about the impact of the internet and technology on the way rethink and interact and communicate. the law of conversation these days about the impact of the internet to on the way that we actually read and how we read on a computer screen and reading a newspaper in print and a book on a piece of paper and never mind remained if you could share some of your experiences about how these sorts of things interact within the context of your

particular book. have to let them open children's books of last bastion of the printed book you and your hands because of something lovely about a child and a parent meeting together has and in physical that the ruling looking at together but we are transitioning into an internet and electronic age and their part of that and there really is a whole new generation learning to read on the i-pad door things like that in developing a love of reading in a different way. i do think one of the great things that technology has brought is that things get out there and a much bigger and faster way into tend to hear back and get feedback and people get connected to brown the literature what we're putting out into the world and it's very exciting. electronic books as an environmentalist or not need as much paper in it and have the one electronic tool down

loading 1520 or 50 novels on to it or even our own the books from the library on to your i- pad then those sorts of things. but on the other hand the book that i wrote was meant to be taken out on the trail so you don't have computers are connected to the residence that's the hope of hearing yosemite that you could pull the book and a backpack and then no as an educator we down the sheets summons writing and take it with us on a sheet of paper but it's hard to read from a think of the kings to bed together better system of these folks think are hopeful for children's books for you hold it in your lap of a quick mind reading to take that side with you. greta and i also work with a particular environmental agency that is an important one for people to know about the largest jewish and burma to organization and the country and we do a lot of work about sustainable behavior to

help create sustainable committees the jewish world and beyond. and of entering work about sustainable food and how to think about our food systems and how are the animals and what's fit to eat it jewish notion they're hoping to change it means to be jewish in the 21st century to and of an environmental ethic and change our behavior for sustainability for door-to-door generation to generation. any more information on them go to the web site or contact debra e-mail sandra and deborah's thinking so much for turning us and will say goodbye and welcome to other authors and

in the meantime thanks for sharing your books with us in your thoughts please join us and when all went back here.

welcome back. i'm honored to be your host this morning in the middle of all wonderful conversation about books and how an imaginative idea of become some than on a piece of paper with words and on the internet and enjoyed by some a different readers. it joined by david and jennifer welcome. and let's just jump in and tell us about your to books. the two books very different and get connected the first as nonfiction cause others in the hebrew bible. 25 stories about not israelites characters in the bible that have encounters with got either direct or a starkly ranging from abrahams concubine to jobe who many people to realize wasn't in israelites. the other is a novel if slick in

contemporary jew political satire of the middle east and it ties in so far as the protagonist actually jewish but never found up to the was 40. mike book is a memoir of and it's tranced john rat not quite half poetry in half personal stories. i'm very honored to have been published by capra press a wonderful started in 1969 amid launching now with my memoir. it's divided in seven sections when i called family or family of origin marriage and children body and faith outside of the outside world's and work.

this is a prologue and epilogue that sort of cut it book about love and a book about thankfulness and it is a book that explains terry specifically with the title means. and i was 17 years old a freshman in college was taking a shower and had a terrible very real feeling that i was going to not have a good life. in this book is an extended rough on my surprise and my gratitude and hard work. creating a good life and receiving a wonderful life and having the blessings of truly a beautiful family. greatcoat it seems jennifer and stated that on the face of it each of your respective books seems so different and the other hand all three books seem to

have a theme of what it means to grow as a human being and what does it mean to interact and have relationships in the world that matter and that the growth and meaning the loss of four leaps of faith and of the west living into a good life if we can use that term. would you say those are some of the things you are thinking of when you're writing it the ark of the biblical story involves that growth how do we live and how to live the right kind of life and how to become the kind of human being gottas intended us to be but given us a choice in terms of how we live. for god's others that is a natural and the stories in their explore that. slick is something else again in the contemporary middle east and the fictional persian gulf and

presents the struggles are going through now that we see society is going through the struggle between two brothers for power and protagonist trying to make sense out of all of it somebody who's a retired army special forces officer been there done that and he finds himself entrapped in forces set of > him and really is below with the issue politics about his growth trying to discover who we is as a human being and in american and even as a jew. it is literally about my life the dean's room on i hope and that's it sort of explorers how i started as a child and now i'm 62 years old kent both that continuing thread in the enormous to structures as well.

i have said in the prologue that i was born with loving heart but life really a time of shatters when heinz so i think this book is about putting it back together and creating a mosaic almost a whole that also has mortar and air and space between the pieces. my hope is that in my life and in my book and inexperienced leaders have this about an inspiration to speak words of love and roots of kindness and where its of gratitude and words of sincerity and honesty. where is that a positive because i believe we are born with so many of them as our role in our life as we grow and as the bill to and as we develop and as to

deepen to focus on that which is positive. a lot of literature is about the negative about the heart and crushing and heartbreaking. but my hope is that the reader will come out feeling stretched as i did. were taking a quick break please join us in just one moment.

welcome back pay amounted to a host this morning in the middle of a wonderful conversation with david and jennifer about the books of they've written. it seems to me that people will write all the time people might

write a letter or no treatment occurs to the store and the laboratory e-mail so people to right it all the time it seems to me that the distinction between writing for publication in redding otherwise is when you actually end up looking for a publisher and gets into the nitty gritty of all but means someone and if you could share that piece of the behind-the- scenes process how was it to think of a publisher and look for a publisher and to make that decision about how to have your book published. their looking is not that difficult the finding is difficult because it's a business niche as seems to be everybody in the country is writing. independently and publish both books throughout i universe which is a print on demand company and the advantage there is not only does the book can up fairly quickly but i had complete freedom to do it the way the wanted to do it.

nobody told me you can't do it this way you have to do it that way to there's a lot of quality books independently published slick earned the star from the carcass reviews as a book of remarkable merit very few books published independently or by publishers are in that. it's a testament to the fact that the publishing industry is changing and authors to they have many different ways to go. my book was published as a paperback book i wanted it to be published by publisher has honored to be selected by capra press but it was a complicated process as they think they always are. i was approached by them as they launched they wanted to work consider publishing my manuscript but then it ran into some difficulties and i was actually rejected but i thought i was to be published by them

so badly that i'm going to take whatever criticisms said they gave me and listen to them and think again proved the book and december 1st published a print run of about 800 and about to go into a second printing and what's intriguing about this book is that it's not available on an amazon where barnes and noble it's only at this point available to independent booksellers and bookstores that will probably change and subsequent printings hat and librarian by training and i think they simply can't kick past that love of a book in my hand. crevice a wonderful anybody out there listening to is writing her considering writing to know that the to of view have published in what one might think of as non-traditional which wheys and yet is part of the wave of the future standard publishing is not content of the end of

business the summit options have been opened up to riders that if you what to write you can have a book in your hands when the case got to others is available cancellous live at the universe bookstore but would jennifer said is the need for every writer in effect have an editor when i was writing cause others to have people looking at it and got a lot of help from the rabbi martin a former senior rabbi the congregation in santa cisco. and writing slick and the other fictional martinon now, i've had a lot of terrific writing coach and teacher tom parker in palo alto and be able to have someone that could step back and salic this bandied the to do this to consider that it really is helpful. leader not come to the end of the time together and thanks for joining us this morning on mosaic.

and thanks for joining us and have a wonderful day.

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