welcome to a mosaic. i'm your host. the director of communications and public policy for the archdiocese of san francisco. today we will have a discussion about the the adamant in the roman catholic church. and we have two guests with us to man left is rich deacon rich and on his left cheek and leon welcome to both of you. we're going to talk about deacons and first of all we need to make it clear that the roman

catholic the half command is the difference in the provinces the ackerman's. how are you different? and taken is a call to order one of the orders of the church. deacon's priests and bishops it has the remissions of around preaching and sharing the word and charity with a major focus on charity in serving the most needy and deacons often times going to the calling later in life and make be married. that's different. give us a short introduction about what to do? by chavis to coordinate the formation program so it's all about looking at the applicants their called to surf discerning

whether they might be potentially deacons and then providing program information over and amounts to five years that includes course work and ministry both and parishes and the needy parts of the archdiocese. i'm a coordinator of ministry and life for deacons and their wives. i watch over the assignment and transfers and the needs of anything that supports the ministry of the deacons all that crosses my desk and we have 68 active deacons in the archdiocese. we have another 10 who are retired and 12 living outside of the archdiocese. about 90 altogether and even those living outside of the archdiocese are still my concern because the stars.

i don't think a lot of catholics and others understand exactly what this i know because the permanent had you come about your married men and yet you have a function and the turkish the mix to different ran away. some talk about that history it's relatively new. its relatively new its reinstated. a thousand years of the church where there were permanent deacons deacons not intending to go on to become priests. the first thousand years and then the permanent one was suspended and became a transitional d decrement and that became something were personally be taken for a time before there are a priest. who was reinstated in 1967.

the permanent the at the met was reinstated and it's an option for a bishop of any diocese in the world who would like to organize a program to a former people for the permanent the half command. since that time in a texas have opted to do the throughout the world. the early the half commend the first dozen years is something that began with the beginning of the church will talk about that when we come back from the break.

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the order of deacons in the roman catholic church which is a relatively new phenomenon for roman catholics. these are married men who have the ability to preach and to have baptisms and to hear confessions note not that. i would like to say that is a saying, not along among the deacons that we hear a lot of confessions but we cannot care absolute of solution. week ended the first segment by talking a little about the history. reinstated in the 1960's as an order but it has a very long history started very early in the church. shrek back to the beginnings of the church and the apostles were doing their work they realize there was more work than they could address. they needed to spread the word

but it also did to deal with the poorer said they selected the beginnings the some of the seven deacon's stephen been the most prominent to serve the needy and the port and orphanages and the windows that's how it got started. stephen was met with an early death he was a murder stoned led by eventually st. paul. in the quarter of the early church there the apostles and deacons and then there were priests. eventually. but that to happen till later. critics still second century as there weren't enough apostles which evolved into the bishops to do this service as the church expand. quiddity kantor around for a dozen years mainly to help the poorer to do kind of social

service and justice wreck that the apostles didn't have time for themselves. and then what happened in a dozen years? actually during the thousand years there was an evolution and deacons because they were appointed by the bishop to cope with things became also involved in the administration of the diocese as they evolved. and they became very skill that that and many of them actually helped manage the finances of the diocese and they became really quite established in the administration of the church during that time. and one of the things that happened there was some concern about deacons' the coming to prominence in the church to powerful and so the third involved a decision to that maybe we don't need permanent

deacons after row. and then a dozen years went by before this read in a statement in 1967. it started involving the 1940's a good deal of discussion about the benefit of reinstating the permanent the half command for the sake of the church in the modern world. and it got there will boost the discussion in vatican to. and then after that pope paul the sixth reinstated it. whether different circumstances and the '40's and 50's that sought to sell whole that the deacons could fall i think so especially with the european society there was

with the coming of the warrants and just lots of social unrest disruption and the need for the church to address some of that through charitable works works of justice and that sort of became a sponsor. there is actually a lot of discussion about the atf command on catholics to recommend to concentration camps during the '40's. some of the early literature comes greta of concentration camps. its rippon of interest so that when the vatican to can along in the early '60s and it became a matter of universal church concern. and what was the day it was reestablished? 1967. i cannot be more specific than that. with no new come back with chuck about what deacon's two since 1967 especially in the united states.

" come back. here watching it was sick. the director of communications and public policy for the archdiocese of san cisco and welcome to all of you watching us. we're talking about the deal recommend today it's not a very well-known group of people in the church and therefore want to make it a little bit better known. however there is a great need for deacons in the church today particularly with the fact that we of a shortage of priests. so what to do deacons' do? tickets to a typical day for a deacon. it does vary with the guess that deacons' spring. there's the visible part will have taken to the altar assisting at mass deacons and

who can witness baptisms and that often are available to do funeral vigil as we of less and less priests we need deacons to that part of the sacramento life. the less obvious but the deacons their work out in the streets and with the needy and in homeless shelters and hospital ministry to visit the sick and dying part of formation is to discern those ministers. the deacon in charge of formation of new deacons. rich could you say something about your work may be what you were taken the to redeem the special program. much of the ministries and in homeless shelters and recovery centers so i've spent a few years at the st. vincent depaul wellness center here in san francisco during ministry to those trying to rebuild their lives and find god in the

process. people with addiction problems and drug and alcohol. why is that kind of ministry important to the permanent the accident. critter permit to yakima and from its very beginnings was designed to meet the needs of those who were marginalized in the early church committees. people who weren't being taken care of by the area running of the committee is established to address the need and still hallmark of the atf command. they're taken to run the country who work primarily in truck stops for instance meeting with truck drivers who may need counseling or support as they stop with their big rig to the truck centers.

they coordinate shuttle buses to take those travelers to sunday mass so they can leave their big rig to the truck stop. deacons or primary ministry is to those in transit in airports. very important in countries resemble the man of the proper papers and need somebody to watch after the match the officials of deny them entry to the country. a large prison ministry and charged acis and no where some of the deacons work in the spray and in the gills of the three counties of the arched basis marin and san cisco and san mateo very important work. also want to say that the wives of deacons the wives of the formation program with the deacon and reformed and they get their own ministry assignments the program and very often gone

to significant ministries after that. my wife is very dedicated to visiting assisted living homes and she does command and services in those homes and many of the deacons lester involve the ministry as well. your taking care of the marginalized the people on the edges the people that get forgotten as the deacons to put her also a very important part of the life of the parish. preaching for a sample so how's that? it's very rewarding to think what one of the things we all printers are on the experiences. part of formation as the development of skills and abilities " come with the wealth of life experiences being parents and out in committee and

leadership roles in the world. quitting of a very different take in the same rights that may be mean something differently we're up to the ministry of preaching traditionally have been attached to attack command. it wasn't just the minister to commercialize to that the bishops and priests realized their ministry was more vocal to the parish complex the deacons could bring back and is the congregation. will be back

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deacon and rich and deacon leon talking about the permanent the accident and its history and function here in the roman catholic church. especially in the archdiocese of san francisco. women ordination of new deacon'' 12 deacons coming up on june 24th at 330 at the cathedral and eight of those men are married and then reflect the diversity of the archdiocese through the spanish-speaking and a number of them are filipino as well. the engage diversity and the language and ethnic diversity. what a lot of people don't understand about the archdiocese is that if you count catholics about 41 percent of them are latino. and 17 percent of filipino.

very to verse and fortunately we of the very to wrest back and coming in. were all very excited about that and certainly the need to continue to grow and the more that we can provide the ministry and the training and the support the better we can serve the people of the archdiocese. how does a person become a deacon is both said they had different experiences in life first to mostly of but in some sort of business or profession before hand. but then what kind of a man is attracted to the t. ackerman. i think the path is different as there are individuals. we all have stories whether it comes out of early experiences of life or recent calling to be to serve and the parish ministry

a sense of some guess you'd like to put into practice in sharing so everyone has a different story and people are invited to come in to the formation program to discern that sense of calling to the jack amount. so that's the five years not only providing coursework and opportunities for various ministries but really to zero individuals reflecting into the questions is the slum called to do. what other than the group that's been ordained we have another class that's two years away from being ordained in rates and a group in september. how many in this group to is a way 15 potential deacons. also what to the steady? there's some foundational course courses and understanding when it is and isn't.

some sense of history and if talked about with the old testament and new testament and understanding there's just finishing a, consolation ministry in dealing with grief and building the support within ministries with a list of courses that though take over the five years coupled with various ministers opposite experiences extend themselves in their own parish as well as opportunities and other parishes and other social-service agencies like st. vincent depaul for example. its some is watching us right now are some of the nose to my people someone might be interested through the call? they should contact at the akron office this 4156145165 i can answer all questions. 4156145615.

there we had on the screen no suspects the timing office #pay and talking about about the wives and women about this process. is there some sense that they feel second-class citizen. it's a difficult role of a dimension to have a husband retained and getting everything ditcher not ordained. to the surface for sure especially since they do participate fully in the program they don't have to participate as fully expensed there has been that they could choose to do that in many to choose to the papers in a tent of the classes' and even go into the supervised ministry during past trooper. so that is that the continues on some of the west still feel

that their prepared and ready to the trash decide were going to have women deacons they're ready to go. so it is something that's an attention and a think it's worth examining and unlike speaking about the priesthood we can discuss the possibilities of women being ordained to the deal recommend. tommy a little bit about the problems may be that there may be in marriages in the d i commend i'm sure there are. some of the time it's just a little mentoring the people who have more experience dealing with it and sometimes is just a word of of edifies thickets of a problem and sometimes the tensions are deeper than that

because if ameritech difficulties before the might be aggravated by the additional responsibilities of the husband being a deacon. usually these things are worked out pretty nicely in the first two years. i have one example an anecdote a wife called me on the phone and said she is having a hard time with their husband been a deacon had nasa at the testing she says he stays at the rectory tell of an average net working on this homily and i said he should be home working on it. let me give you a phone call. psocids go home and read it in the problem was resolved. that was pretty easy but none the less it can happen deacons' get fascinated with the 80 and that they have this new possibility we're talking here about the class especially the ones ordained in the last minute cab

and that's going to be live streamed if you want to stay home and watch this see it on the live streaming right now on the screen. watch the whole ceremony and some very happy men and their wives and families and another great cost of deacons to canopus in the archdiocese of san francisco.