good morning. i am honored to be your host this morning. this mine will have a conversation about people who have written books. a fascinating topic to have a conversation about how imagination and juice into words on to a piece of paper and ends up in book form for us to read and enjoy. we have with us this sandra and debra who will govern wonderful books threatened to jump in and ask what is your book about sandra? daisies' perfect word of chickens book for children ages

7 to 10 and the character is a girl that loves words and she keeps track for favorite words an agreement notebook covered and purple polka dots word lists she accumulates in the character that i think it's will be able to relate to and wanted to read a book had to to do with the theme of were but not an academic one. reed into literature a character all about language. and deborah what is your book about? my book is spirited nature teaching to deism and ecology on the trail. and it's really at book to be used outside and and we voted in the cover we said we hope this book gets messy and dirty and full of the approved and leaves and grass is because it's a two- way created. i co-authored the book.

petrouchka indicators that to know about nature and wanted to take its upside and for natural estrogen, and judy is some to either type of person could pick up the book and music to take about 72 little teaching on jewish themes. a children's book and a book about the nature in judea some is fascinating because when you go to a bookstore or search the web and we see a book and a person's name or a couple of authors and think we naturally assume this person as an author and the traditional sense. but in fact both of you right out of different personal experiences and in that way seek to in some ways to educate and exposed people to different ideas and understandings in some ways i think wreck the model of what people think of as the traditional full-time author that makes the livelihood writing books. i came to this to a

background in journalism that has to do with where to look different asserted at the stanford daily and the cayman is assistant to the new york times and washington d.c. and there are definite and about the power and importance that whatever our culture. i worked for newspapers in california and is due to transition to children's books that list and a real joy for me and a different format and have to say to let the luckiest person comparison would of journalism career fact checking i get to mix things up and its to late fall and taps into a different part of my energy, creative part that i really enjoy. hot for me i used to say spend more in babysitting fees than it ever got as royalties from the book. it was i have been working at my career the national park service ranger and the doctor is camp

and directed for number of year years and i work for a jewish in our may an organization i was looking for a tool to take children and adults out on hikes and engage them in learning and the curriculum that is written for that has been all and the secular world on native americans and there was nothing in our jewish tradition with the books. some of brought it more as a lesson plan to what i needed and other jewish educators needed and the writing process was much more about what to do and what to people like outside. it was more utilitarianism and enjoyable as to my right. greta had a lot of books conserve both directions. with mine i'd actually to have some ideas on my website for teachers and librarians and

parents to use it as a teaching tool in many ways because i think how we teach kids about words and how we develop a love of words and language and reading for children is so important for kids and parents and educators. were going to take a quick break and come back and just a moment.

welcome back. i am honored to be your host this morning in the middle of a lot of conversation the sandra and debra both of whom have written books about the topic of writing books in the book's fifth particular the men and also books mean to us in society and am wondering is your

thinking of writing the book and then actually writing a to go into the process of editing and working with the publisher and then seen on the bookshelf and on the internet and what are your hopes about what the reader would actually get out of wood to representing? that such a long process from conception to actually writing and editing and my case illustrations added and then held in the book in your hands and from recent is the children's book where they hope is that people would get adamant is that they see the cover which i think is fun and delightful and drawn to the character and one to know more about the character. a friend of mine sent the most adorable picture the but the biggest smile on my face of for seven year-old daughter in bed reading my book. and that's what i wanted to wanted it to be a book tickets

to take to bed and eager to read and then the story of i would say the jewish averment the movement has some aspects to it involved with the love of food weren't and climate change an alternative to transportation but the time of writing a book was focused on how to take people into the wilderness and have appreciate the glory and the beauty and connect with god and when i saw the cover of the book it was so much more beautiful that i had imagined it to be and have had this to the great experience of having the boot and published a while ago sky meet the adults in particular kirchners and naturalists and jewish and our mental educators climate in the ago you wrote the book is still have it and i think that was the intention that was something people would find very useful to help them connect jewish people with the outdoor some majesty of

the wilderness. the one thing out of my book is my character creates these were the list and select makeup words i saw on the internet it was wonderful but rob connected now a little girl in canada reviewed rebook and said one thing she liked about it was making upwards as she puts in her review her favorite metaphor it's anathema was delightful. worldwide connection with something that put out there. such conversation in the one a large about the impact of the internet in technology on the way we think and interact and communicates with a lot of conversation among the impact of internet and the way that we actually read and how you read on a computer screen and on newspaper and print and a book on a piece of paper the morning if you could share your experience about how these sorts of things interact with in the

context of your particular book. after it met am hoping children's books will be the last of the printed book that you and your hands because i think this and the lovely but a child and a parent reading together. but of course record transitioning into an internet electronic aid and electronic books are big part of it and there's a whole new generation of stunning to read on and i-pad are things like that in developing a love of reading in a different way. i do think one of the great things technology has brought is that things get out there and a much bigger and faster way and you tend to hear back and have the back of people feel connected around literature in what reporting act and to the world and that's really exciting. the books than an idea that were not needed as much paper that you could have this one electronic tool downloading 15

novels on to that or even are no books from the library on to your i-pad in those sorts of things but on the other hand certainly the book i wrote is meant to be taken out on the trail the don't have computers are connected to the artists that's the hope that if you're in your 70 he compiled a book editor back pack and i know that as an educator which download the summit is writing and take it with us on a sheet of paper and it's hard to read from a think a book hangs together better to some of these books and thinker children's books for you hold it in your lap of a quick mind retaken that side with you. and i also work with the particular environmental agency that is important for people to know about. it's the largest jewish and berman took colonization the country went to a lot of work

about sustainable behavior commissioned to create sustainable committees the jewish world and beyond june are about sustainable food and how to think about our food systems and how are the animals and what's that the heat produced numerous than in the 21st century and open to change it means to be jewish and the transfer center to vote in environmental ethic and ginger behavior for sustainability greater any more information on this, to the web site or contact debra atkins hurt e-mail. or 4153977020 nothing cute so much for being with us for going to say goodbye and welcome to

other offers but in the meantime thanks for sharing your books with us and your thoughts and dryness in a moment right here.

a common welcome back. i'm honored to be your host this morning in the middle of a wonderful conversation about books. about an imaginative idea becomes something on the piece of paper with words on the internet and enjoyed by some in different readers who welcome. and let's just jump in and tell us about your two books. two books been very different and yet connected the first nonfiction got to others not israelites in counters with guides and hebrew bible and is 25 stories about non israelites

camped characters in the bible that having counters with god i direct or historical ranging from labor hands concubine to jobe who many people don't realize too was not in israelites. the other is a novel contemporary jew political satire of the middle east and it ties in as the protagonist actually is jewish but we never found that out to the was 40. my book is a memoir kent is trans shawn era not quite fish have poetry and have personal stories. i am very honored to been published by capra press the senate in 1969 and history launching now with my memoir. and it's divided into seven sections when i call family

family of origin and marriage and children and body and faith and outside and work. and then there's a prologue and epilogue that sort of cut it. it is a book about love and a book about thankfulness. and it is a book that explains ray specifically with the title means because when i was 17 years old and a freshman in college and sticking a shower and had this terrible real feeling that was going to not have a good life. and this book is an extended riff on my surprise and my gratitude and i think it's also similar hard work. creating a good life receiving a wonderful life and having the

blessings of truly a beautiful family. its scenes jennifer and damon on the face of it each of your respective books seems so different but on the other hand to all three seem to have a theme of what it means to grow as a human being. and what does it need to interact and have relationships in the world that matter that give growth and meaning and allow for leaps of faith and otherwise living into a good life if we could use that term. would you say that those are some of the themes you rethinking of? the ark of the biblical story involves the growth how we live the right kind of life and how to become the kind of human being gotta's intended less to be. but give us a choice in terms of how live.

forgot to others it's a natural and the stories and their explore that. it set and a contemporary mid east and the fictional persian gulf sultanate imprisons the struggles are going through now that we see society is going through. a struggle between two brothers for power and protagonist tries to make sense out of all of us. somebody who's a retired army special forces officer who's been there and done that confined himself entrapped and forces that a critic than him. along with the geopolitics it's really about his growth about trying to discover who we is. as a human being and an american ended shoe. my book is the market is literally about life and building from on high hopes in that that sort of explorers how i started as a child and now i

am 62 years old and both that continuing thread and the enormous this junctures' as well. and i have set in the prologue that i was born with a loving heart but life really at times shatters one's heart so in this book i think it's about putting it back together and creating a mosaic pothole that also has mortar and air and space between the pieces and my hope is that in my life and in my book and in the experience the readers have that it's about an inspiration to speak words of love and kindness and gratitude and sincerity and honesty.

ward said the positive because i believe we're born so many of them as our role and our life as we grow as rebuilds, us to develop a sense deepened to focus on that which is positive. a lot of literature of literature is about-the crushing and heartbreaking and my hope the the spokesman has those elements that the murder book come out feeling, stretched as i did. when the to take a quick break up this join us in a moment.

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conversation with david and jennifer about the books they've written now it seems to me that people write all of this time people might write a letter or notes workers' religious and the met by celebrity mail so people writes all the time it seems to me that the distinction between writing for publication redding otherwise is when you actually end up looking for a publisher and get into the nitty gritty of all of what it means. just share of that piece of it behind-the-scenes process how was it to think of a publisher and look for a publisher and make that decision about how to have your book published? their looking it's not that difficult the finding is difficult because of the business in which it seems to be everybody in the country that is writing. the independently published both books through pipe i i universe

which is a print on demand company and the advantages not only does the book can up for the quickly and have complete freedom to do it the way i wanted to. nobody took me a couldn't do it this way and there are a lot of quality books been independently published slick earned a star from the reduced as a book of remarkable marriage. very few books published independently or by publishers are in that. it's a testament to the fact that the publishing industry is changing and authors to have many different ways to go. my book was published as a paperback book. i wanted it to a published by publisher and i was honored to be selected by capra press that it was a complicated process as i think they always are. i was approached by them as they relaunched they wanted to

consider publishing manuscript but then i ran into some difficulties and was rejected that i thought i want to publish by them so badly that i'm going to take whatever criticisms the sec gave me and listen to them and i think i and proved the book and then december 1st republished to print run of about 800 and rabat, to a second printing. what's intriguing about this book is it's not available on amazon or thornton noble it's only at this point available to independent booksellers and bookstores. that approach will change and subsequent printings but i and lybrand by training and i think it's simply just can't get past the love of a book in my hand. it's wonderful for anybody out there who's listening are riding are considering to right to know that two of you have published in what one might

think of as non-traditional ways. this is part of the wave of the future. stand but standard publishing is not good at of business but summit options are open up to riders that if you want to write you can have a book in your hands and said then that jennifer said azeri important is the need for every writer in effect to have an editor. when i was riding, as others have people looking at it and got a lot of hope from a rabbi and in writing slick and the other fiction am working on now have had the help of terrific writing coach and a teacher tom parker in palo alto and been able to have someone who could step back and say i like this

but they be any to do this and consider that is very helpful. but not with come to the end of the time together so thanks for joining us this morning and thank you so much for joining us have a wonderful day.