this is mosaic and i've built looking poet to today's 4 at least 48 hours. a half hour and interrupted with the man that i've grown to respect. the himself of the roman catholic archdiocese of san francisco and a good one. the archbishop thank you for being here today. talking about being a shepherd and the shepherd of the archdiocese of some of the sky with five and a thousand catholics running around new permitted dozen on your trip here today how would you look over 500,000 souls?

with a lot of help there are other shepherds and they sure the work with me first " priest the chief " readers with the bishop of the vatican council and women religious and teachers and schools and those who work in the catholic charities anybody who helps carry out the mission of the church and get along with a lot of help from my friends. and i think to the like to say for another image% shepherd about the conductor leading an orchestra all those people on the stage the only one not making a sound is the conductor when he is doing is bringing together orchestrating symbolically the sounds of the others make a things that that some are really important for me to remember this the work of other people better going to

advance the life of that church. i concur to my mother them part of the noise. and taken talk to just for a second since 20005 and six you were installed your site of no nuisance them on a limited basis but i haven't had this much time alone with you and and i think people really do so this is a real treat so have you handled that being able to have some people to see? we don't began a square one with anyone. we share the faith and that experience and abortion and prayer and family life as a catholic we sure having worked for the church so that there certain things that you can presume to does not to begin at the very beginning of each person to think that that's the foundation on which to build however short or long

relationship with the exchange's that we get past what might keep us distant because of what unites us. congratulations and 50 years you've been a priest in 17 years as a bishop must've been exciting time for your opinion you are happy to help us through the vatican ordained in 1962 so how was that how was the church you knew and a day. i think the church was growing even before the the council always growing and changing with each generation but i think the vatican council really touched back into older traditions not so much all whole new way of being a catholic a touching and traditions that had perhaps the most understated a friend since having the worship

to the language of the people that's an old tradition not just a new idea it was new to the mid 20th century but it was a renewal rather than bringing in something brand new and think that was true for a lot of things in understanding how to teach the fate and how to live the faith in different circumstances it was a ring rather than a brand new product. will get to the future, was that for people inured generation did you see that coming i don't think we saw it coming a think that sentence and is set at a retreat at that time to a number of us saying that first half of the 20th century and a church in america was unusual for the 20th century history of turkish everyone was very certain of the anniston of

with the faith meant as certain about what their obligations mentioned certain that the enemies of their fate or outside themselves where was communism or whenever i then think the idea of having people having to talk to one another about what it means to be catholic and understand it and perhaps apply to new situations that was something that was developed with the vatican council. the sense that it's an ongoing the new process that just learning something in the first 10 or 15 years of your life and unthinkingly a planet for the rest of the life. it really is pretty light of christ and the teaching to bear upon new developments in your note and in your own life. your help a lot of hands to that process i'm sure. will be back aer this.

wonderful picture of the arch bishop and were here with him today on mosaic. the shepherd them all to the above your priests and religious and other people and we're i have to ask you have a wonderful past and your going to have a big future but today there's a big thing going on in the church in the midst of it. and the whole history of the church in this country religious freedom has been the cornerstone of all and in january of this year, the

department of health and human services announced a mandate with regard to insurance but more important to us with a lasting effect is the principle they pasted on. principled they defined religious organization to the first time that your religious and you're entitled to religious freedom when you're in the church teaching fates are worshiping in employing and working among the people of your own faith. and the position of the church would operate schools and hospitals and charitable organizations and reach out to everybody. we don't reach out to just catholics. we have always been able to follow our own religious convictions and the way that we reach out our new concern is with the new definition the contest winner being religious

and your not. the one limning concern for me is that for a long time now there are many national organizations which have been very critical of the catholic church and catholic hospitals for letting our own beliefs perfecto we administer health care. if your serving the entire committee then you should be providing abortion for example. catholic hospitals will not be able to to that but there are those that say that if you're serving the community should provide a full range of reproductive rights which includes in their interpretation apportions. the same principle that came in january about the insurance can be used as as that. they did not really been as religious as you are when you're worshiping in mass soot you don't have the freedom to say we

will not perform abortions and that hasn't happened yet but that will come down the road because it's very much based on the assumption that this issue was. is the inspiration rehabs some catholic leaders will buy not say something around the fourth of july about a. it ends in july 4th and it is to call to pray and to learn and to act and interact with their public representatives on this matter of all its refreshing and the religious freedom. greta was asking to the format for freedom has a lot to do with communication his to me personally am sure many others that of st. paul were alive today he'd be in your chair. absolutely the pope john paul the second legally father

said that that would be the new public square the public square and that is not is electronic access to a piece of land in the middle of town and that's were paul preached and that's rare you'd be teaching in responding to criticism know. do you think the churches getting better at getting it. are getting better at dialogue and moving forward in getting our word out and listening to others. but we need to get even better if think the more we learn about what works and what doesn't and hope works and to not be afraid the more the parishes the priests and bishops woman religious everybody gets more involved in it the more confident we get to the better judgment to a how to do well. it's that kind of thing that's getting and don't just walk around the pool get in and swim.

can we have to take a break but you have a wonderful voice if you wanted to get into voice overs to probe the could credibly ever said that till i was in the '60s so good luck to you because maybe of voices change down workers something. we'll be back the archbishop with us on mosaic.

welcome back to mosaic. today we are delighted to have with us the archbishop the shepherd the archbishop of the

roman catholic archdiocese of sentences go. is this is your program we produced this for the archdiocese and it's great to have you here. and you're on your way to retirement and the letter is and that the vatican. and what ask you about 75. 76 now and it was thought 75 was a long time. i always thought thought that was a lot for priests and bishops to give. quite frankly here in the archdiocese and synthesis coup retirement age to 78 can retired with the questions asked. if there's bill on this if your kid take that into consideration the can't handle the duties and the mark and alex up to resignation but they will require had 75 hot but you may

retire at 70. my understanding is the people living under and staying healthy longer even people in terms of national policy and recommendations about south's security are considering retirement to be least a few months later with every year that you go forward. and they even here speculate that there are questions about your retirement should be at. the above its long time to give a lot of priests ordained but sometimes we don't realize how long a time priest served and continue to serve. the the 70 and 75 is a long time. i understand that it is a

vocation and a job with a lifelong commitment and we have to be very careful about an analyst wasn't alive when it came into my head his retirement from administration to be asked me that's mean you won't be hearing confessions are teaching not at all. many of our retired priests love supplying and parishes and saying mass on sunday during convention center and a baptism that is pastor work and that goes on in to you can't do it anymore. i think when you retire from is the responsibility in terms of administration and the to the bishops retires from a pastor or perhaps a parish retires from. i have to ask you, who is the arcishop of home? to have a pair of slippers to relax with

to you like to do come through much into my reading not so much fiction anymore war nonfiction special things like memoirs and biographies is finished that biography that is free fascinating to me and i have a stamp collection that payless and less attention to. i very much like films and like seeing especially what could be done abroad and the countries as well as u.s.-made phones. another of classical music and love this in listening to implant the background sometimes when i'm reading.

and going to the opera mozart and a weaker so. i took to lessons of golf and that was enough for me, i began to tease my dad say no golf slows spells backwards flog and somebody else called at the game they earned a perfectly good walk. but i admire golfers and just don't play it. are you a dodgers fan? not any more. i moved north and said in the affections. i am very happy and going to a game this afternoon. were going to take a break and don't want to get this to refit time but everyone of us has people who us toward the

person we are today and who was that for you the teachers at an elementary school in the teachers in high school and the seminary like companions in the seminary principally my mother and father. they supported their only child going into the priesthood and report always in my corner on that although it did mean that they wouldn't be having grandchildren and that's really selfless love in my point of view. and i think you for joining us for going to take a break and we will be back on the mosaic.

welcome back. we're here today with the archbishop of the archdiocese of san francisco with that half an hour with you a loan this been wonderful and i have like five minutes left. now how the zero lists just talk for a second about the wonderful priest since sisters and people you work with. the backbone of what goes on. i cannot imagine how one could be bishop without being involved daily hourly basis with the priests. they're the ones to bring the life of the church together. pope john paul the second is to call a family of a domestic church in the sense there the next the parish is all those little family that come together to worship together for the sacraments and to learn the

fate and that's richard chopin's at that parish level. and so the only place it happens and it's important for us to have schools and colleges in charities and organizations and all that presumes with happening in the parish and the priests make that happen very self sacrificing been very generous and madam for one thing they don't put up with a lot of nonsense with the bishop they're very obedient but they have good questions and suggestions sometimes and you want answers and i think they're right. we don't have a lot of time but your best moments here and as a priest and as a bishop. best moments interestingly for me are subtly the liturgies at the cathedral of mr.

christmas and the holy week the conformations i love confirmations. the torch is passed the essence of faith that is a very exciting time for me as you get tired of them over there are a lot of them. avicenna walk for life here in the midst of a very secular population first five and in 10 and 15 and 25 dozen people come together the don't even call the march because the walk and the come the middle of january and a thing can happen in the weather and out there to witness their faith not to attack anybody but just to say that we're here and to refer life. were going to miss you and i am a lot of other people are less than wonderful having you here and you are an educator pickup for a number of years. but you always found you had a

home and a parish priest said mass seeing evidence yourself away from being a parish priest to feel the same way i do very much. it is interesting even the theologians call been a bishop the full list of the priesthood. the same priest to the decreased exercise the same sacraments that the deacons received. that we all cooperates in different ways in different dimensions to the life of the trick. it isn't just being out there alone performing it's been to get their and shepherding in caring for the people. was in the future for you what will retirement plan? after the new archbishop is installed i will move into the but the archbishop house is called in menlo park as a seminary life. young people keep you young and

they're very idealistic and i think of elect to be among the band of the committee i don't know whether i would teach or right but if the comet that plan after i don't have to plan the day's one by one. with very little time left but craigs-list to win every like. i think it's important to focus on what to really about witches following jesus christ. he is lord and savior he means forgiveness of sins and eternal life for us if we will follow his teaching to recognize him and those who are hungry and thirsty and as rich strangers and the to be taken in that's what we need to do. your name is currently on top of the best guest lists thanks for joining us today.

thanks for joining us on mosaic.