good morning to our viewers in the west. it is wednesday, october 17th, 2012. welcome to "cbs this morning." the presidential candidates hold nothing back in a fierce and fast-moving debate. we'll tell you who voters say was the winner. >> and we'll ask vice president joe biden and vice presidential candidate paul ryan how they think it went. >> >>. and nike uses strong words and fires lance aarmstrong in the wake of his doping scandal. we begin with a look at today's eye opener your world in 90 seconds. >> i don't -- >> i had a question and the question was how much would you cut them by? >> you ant me to answer. i'm happy to answer the question. >> okay. and the aanswer is? >> president obama and mitt romney go toe to toe in a high

stakes showdown. >> he doesn't have a five-point plan. aps one-point plan and that is to make sure that folks at the top play by different rules. >> i think you know better. the past four years haven't been as good as the president had promised. >> you had to wonder if the secret service was going to get involved. >> the president did well enough to blunt romney's momentum. and that was very important in a state like ohio. >> is there another state other than [ bleep ] ohio? i don't know. lance armstrong is stepping down as chairman of the live strong foundation. nike is terminating its contract with the cyclist. ambassador chris stevens who lost his life in the attack on the consulate in libya. earthquake in maine felt across six states. rotterdam.

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morning." i'm norah o'donnell. charlie is out today. president obama and mitt romney hit each other early and often in their second dough bait last night. 37% of uncommitted voters say obama won, 30% say romney won and was a tie. >> in a moment we'll have reaction from vice president joe biden and republican running mate paul ryan. first, nancy cordes is here. she covered last night's debate in hempstead, new york. >> there were times last night where you almost felt nervous, what's going to happen next? pretty combustible mix here. the president with a lot to prove, governor romney fighting to maintain his momentum and a for forum that allowed them to walk into each other's personal space to make their point. >> how much did you cut them by

then? >> not true. we actually produced more oil. >> no, no how much did you cut licenses on federal land and federal waters? >> reporter: president obama and governor romney clashed from the very first of 11 audience questions. >> i don't think anyone really believes that you're a person who will be pushing for oil and gas and coal. you'll get your chance in a moment. i'm still speaking. >> reporter: and energized president obama unleashed all the attacks his supporter ss were longing for in the first debate. >> governor romney says he has a five-point plan. he doesn't have a five-point plan plan. he has a one-point plan. and that plan is to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules. >> reporter: the president repeatedly challenged not just romney romney's policies, but his honesty. >> what governor romney said just isn't true. very little of what governor romney just said is true. >> reporter: but romney came loaded for bear, too, with this harsh assessment of the president's economic performance in response to a question from a former obama supporter, who is now unsure. >> i think you know better.

i think you know that these last four years haven't been so good as the president just described, and you don't feel like you're confident that the next four years are going to be much better either. >> reporter: the audience members were all undecided voters and it was a response to one of their questions about women in the workforce that got the most attention online. governor romney explaining how he tried to bring women into his cabinet as governor of massachusetts. >> we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet. i went to a number of women's groups and said can you help us find someone and they brought us binders of women. >> reporter: saying romney tried to turn the tables. >> have you looked at your pension? >> no i don't look at my pension. it's not as big as yours so it doesn't take long. >> let me take some advice. >> i don't check it that often. >> let me give you advice. you also have investments in

chinese companies. >> reporter: and misleading the country on the attack on the consulate in benghazi that left four americans dead. >> it was very clear this was not a demonstration, this was an attack by terrorist. >> the president came prepared for that terrorism. >> the suggestion that anybody in my team whether secretary of state or u.n. ambassador anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own, governor, is offensive. >> obama campaign aides were thrilled with the president's performance. he hit all of the points they wanted to and then some. but that made it all the more con founding for his supporters who said where was that president in the first debate two week ago and can he make up the ground he has lost in the polls? norah, both sides claimed victory. >> nancy cordes thank you very much. shortly after the debate i spoke

with vice president joe biden and asked him why this with his a different president obama than the one we saw in the last de debate. >> the president obama that i worked with worked six hours a day until this campaign start eded aas the guy you saw tonight, the guy i see every single day. this is the guy who is absolutely committed to bringing the middle class back and you get this country on the road to recovery and continuing it. so, i mean i wasn't surprised aaa at all by what i saw tonight. >> you have to admit he seemed a bit more engaged in this one than the last one. >> el with he was. he was. he had a great debate tonight. and i expect you'll see another great one next monday. >> why do you think president obama and your double-digit lead among women voters has evaporated in the latest usa today/gallup poll? what happened? >> that's not what the guys on our team tell me.

i think that -- i think we still have a clear lead among women, for good reason. you saw it tonight. you saw when governor romney was asked about everything from you know, what was he going to do about everything from lily ledbetter to equal pay. >> i know you watched the debate. there was one moment in the debate where it looked like governor romney and president obama was so close that perhaps the secret service was going to have to get involved. what did you make of that moment? >> i thought that was real. the thing i liked about this debate, it was so real you know. both men you know intent on making their points. and i just thought it was -- i thought it brought a freshness, a realness to the whole thing in that town meeting setting as opposed to behind a podium or seated at a table where there's not much movement. but i wasn't worried about that. i know them both.

you know i -- i wasn't worried about them needing the secret service. >> well, speaking of styleistic things that happened at debates, i want to talk about your own debate with paul ryan. saturday"saturday night live" had a -- >> it was good wasn't it? >> do you think your laugh inging at paul ryan was overdoing it a bit? some people said they didn't like it. >> well, i wasn't laughing at paul ryan. i was laughing at the assertions being made by paul ryan. some of the stuff that was being said in two minutes you get to answer were absolutely simply incredible. and so i mean, it's fascinating how governor ryan -- i mean paul ryan, congressman ryan has run a away from the ryan budget and his voucherizing of medicare which he got the republic houmn aid ro wersintul ally it's laughable. >> i want to ask you about another thing that happened in

tonight's debate between governor romney and president obama. there was a question asked about equal pay and governor romney talked about filling his own cabinet in massachusetts where he said he was not presented with any women to fill his cabinet so he said this he, quote, went to a number of women's groups and said can you help us find folks and they brought us whole binders full of women. what did you make of that remark? >>ith well i have never had any problem when there's a job opening having as many women -- having as many women applies men. so the idea that he got -- he had to go ask for help to find so many qualified women are walking around in boston massachusetts, where the capital of massachusetts is and the state capital and so many qualified women walking around every place in this country. the idea you've got to go ask help to find one, i -- i didn't quite understand what he was

talking about. they're in abundance. >> i want to ask you about libya. >> yes. >> certainly the vice presidential debate that topic also came up. you said you were not told about the request for extra security at the consulate. i have to ask you, do you wish you had been told? >> well i'm not going to speculate on that. look, but what i said was absolutely accurate. neither the president nor i were told of the additional security requests, as hillary pointed out straightforwardly, that requests never got to the president or me. >> should you have been told? >> well i, uh -- i'm not going to speculate on that. there's an investigation under we. we'll see what the -- what it's all about. >> now let's hear from the other side. vice presidential candidate paul ryan is with us from virginia.

>> good morning. >> good morning, anthony and norah. how are you doing this morning? >> doing very well. let me ask you about the dough bait last night. there was a sharp exchange over libya and what had an happened the president said last night he takes offense to anyone who would suggest that they were playing politics after the loss of four american lives. do you accuse the president of playing politics with this issue? >> well what's so troubling about this norah, is that five day s days after the attack, they sent the u.n. ambassador out to suggest this was a result of spontaneousious mob and youtube video. it took the president two weeks to acknowledge this was an act of terror. he mentioned the youtube video six times after the attack. that's what's so troubling about this as the facts come out about the benghazi attack we learn more troubling facts by the day. that's why we need to get to the bottom of this to get aanswers so that we can prevent something like this from ever happening again. that's what's so troubleing about this had whole entire episode.

>> there was this sharp exchange in the dough bait last night where president obama pointed out that he did say in the rose garden september 12th, the day after the attack quote, no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of t nation. "the wall street journal" editorial page this morning said that this back and forth over benghazi was mitt ey's weakest moment in the debate. what happened? >> i actually totally disagree with that. it wasn't his weakest moment in the least. the moderator said that she -- he was right on this, that she wasn't correct in pointing out that he made reference to this being a specific terrorist attack. he made passing reference to acts of terror in general. if this was what you're suggesting, that he said this was the result of a terrorist attack attack, then why, five days after the attack four days later sent the u.n. ambassador out to the sunday talk shows to say it was not that, it was a spontaneous mob reacting to a youtube later. why go on univision and "the

view" and not claim it was a terrorist attack? look, the facts just don't square with that line of argument. what's difficult and troubling about this is every time we learn more about these facts, the more troubling it is and the reason democrats and republicans in congress are asking for answers is so that we can prevent something like this from happening again. that's what's so troubling about it. >> congressman, the governor used a phrase last night that's getting a lot of attention. he said when he was governor of massachusetts in recruiting female candidates for his cabinet, he got binders full of women from some women's groups. what did he mean exactly by the phrase binders full of women? >> all he simply meant was he went out of his we to try to recruit qualified women to serve in his administration when he was governor. that's really what he was saying. by the way, he had an exceptional record of hiring women in very prominent positions in his administration and that's the point he was making. the other point is this economy

has been terrible for women. poverty rates among women are at a @17-year high. we need jobs economic growth. and among those who have been hit hardest in this economy are women women. what he was pointing out to was nt out of his way to find qualified women to serve in senior positions in his administration and he did just that and had one of the most exceptional records of governors in the country. >> the original question was about ensuring equal pay for women. does governor romney believe the president was right to sign the lily ledbetter fair pay act into law? you -- >> it was not an equal pay law. equal pay was already established in prior legislation. we, of course agree with equal pay. lily ledbetter opened up the time limit for lawsuits.

lily ledbetter was about opening up the and essentially limitations. it wasn't an equal pay law. of course we support equal pay. my first chance to get to ask you about your own debate against vice president joe biden. there was a lot made of sort of the stylistic differences there, the vice president laughing and smiling, interrupting you a lot during that debate. he told us he wasn't laughing at you. your proposals. how did that debate go? what did you make of how the vice president treated you? >> i thought it went very very well. look, i wasn't worried about how other people were conducting themselves. i was focused on offering the country a very clear choice offering ideas about how to create jobs the differences that stand between us. >> did you think he was respectful to you? >> look i wasn't focused on how joe was conductinhimself. i was focused on myself and giving the country a clear choice. that's what's so beneficial. these debates, the vice

president and president have not offered a single new idea about how to turn this economy around and create new jobs. they haven't given a single new idea of how the next four years would be different than the last four years. grow the economy, create jobs and get us going in a new direction. that's why i think these debates are going so well for us. >> congressman ryan good to see you. good luck on the trail. >> norah, thanks. >> fact check both candidates this morning, we'll talk with john dickerson and major garret in our next hour. nike announced this morning it's dumping lance armstrong because of his doping scandal. the company pointed to new evidence that armstrong used banned drugs while he won the tour de france seven years in a row. in a statement nike said it was misled by armstrong for more than a decade. the news came minutes after armstrong stepped down as chairman of his livestrong cancer charity. nike says it will keep working with livestrong. time now to show you some of

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>> it's one of the biggest art thefts ever. bandits break into a dutch museum during the mid. night stealing paintings worth tens of thousands of dollars. >> and google has millions of customers, but very few of them have ever seen this. >> how many servers are on this floor? >> today we have 55,200. >> for the first time our cameras take you inside a top secret google data center that keeps the online giant online.

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is. they are calling it a museum director's worst nightmare. a group of million $paintings were stolen from a dutch museum tuesday. >> who would do this? we'll ask a captions by: caption colorado comments@captioncolorado.com >> your realtime captioner: linda marie macdonald.

good morning, everyone. 7:26. i'm frank mallicoat. get you updated with some bay area headlines. today the crew of the america's cup boat that capsized while trying to figure out exactly what happened yesterday, pieces of the boat are now back onshore. part of a $10 million catamaran that flipped yesterday while doing some training out on the bay. hundreds of people gathered at san francisco's city hall to honor the life of ambassador chris stevens. the bay area native died in libya. attendees included mayor lee and senator feinstein. and oakland officials are showing signs of compromise in the face of a federal takeover of the police department. city council members may let an outside receiver take over the opd internal affairs. >> giants and cardinals game number 3 at 1:00 in st. louis. traffic and weather after the break.

better news for the san mateo bridge. they canceled the traffic alert. the overturn accident on eastbound 92 near the high-rise

is cleared from lanes. we are sensing a little slowing actually both directions including you can see it westbound 92 as you pass the toll plaza. to our maps word of a new crash westbound 80 by highway 4. several lanes were blocked. the road is cleared but still seeing slowing off the carquinez bridge to the maze. here's lawrence with the forecast. >> lots of sunshine coming our way. nice start to the day outside. a little cool in spots in the north bay 48 degrees in santa rosa but already 62 in livermore. that offshore wind going to crank up these temperatures some 80s and announce inland but the beach, boy, that will be really high pressure in. mid-70s at the coast. 80 in san francisco. another hot one for tomorrow. then we start to cool down on friday. by next week, yes, that's right, the prospects for some rain! how about that shot. captions by: caption colorado comments@captioncolorado.com

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australian prime minister had an embarrassing moment this morning in new delhi, india. she was visiting a memorial and took a tumble. she said one of her heels got stuck in the soft grass. thankfully she was not hurt. she pointed out men get to wear flat shoes all the time. >> yes, we do. >> speaking of flat shoes, good to have you here anthony. we should note police in the netherlands are looking for suspects in the largest art heist in history. >> reporter: with a level of precision only hollywood could duplicate thieves broke into rotterdam's kruntshal's muse sum and walked off with seven weses of art washing. it reads like a test book in art history. they include a picasso, a matisse, a gaugin and two

monets. police arrived at the museum five minutes after the alarm system was triggered. >> we had state-of-the-art alarm system but somehow the people responsible for this found a way in and a way out and they found the time to take seven paintings. >> reporter: chris marinello, director of the art loss register said high level of sophistication it took to pull the crime off said thieves had inside information. >> police will be looking at friend relatives of various museum personnel looking into their backgrounds. >> reporter: together the paintings have an estimated value in the tens of millions of dollars, which would make this one of the biggest hart heists

in recent history. but marinello said despite the high value carried by tart the people who stole it will have a hard time selling it. >> you take these to vancouver, or somewhere you can't sell them. no respectable collector ordealer will touch them. >> reporter: the museum is optimistic the stolen artwork will soon be recovered. >> senior correspondent john miller is the former fbi director. john as he pointed out you can't shop this stuff anywhere once you've stolen it. who is typically an art thief. >> it's an interesting question. i know who we want the art thieves to be. we want them to be like pierce brosnan in "the thomas crown affair." we want them to be this handsome, cultured, sophisticated thief who has an appreciation for art.

the real art thief is usually a knuckle head. that's the short version. the long version is they are great burglars and thieves. they are lousy businessmen. that's because they spend a lot of time planning their way into,000 get the thing. but not a lot of time planning what they are is going to do with it after. we'll steal it find the black market and then find the black market doesn't exist. >> how many former deputy directors of the fbi wear pink ties like you have on today? >> a few. >> just had to go there because we're talking about -- >> what's wrong with pink ties. >> have to say for the record they all wear flat shoes. i think when you -- i'm moving us back. i think when you get to the art theft, what's going to happen with this stuff? one of three things usually occurs. number one they actually find a buyer and the buyer brings in a curator and that person is so

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♪ get ready to go inside google's cloud the tech giant has 12 data centers around the world. they are the engines that make google run and they contain a lot of sensitive information about you. >> now for the first time the company invited cameras inside its top secret facility in north carolina. michelle miller went along for this story that you'll only see here on cbs "this morning." >> reporter: with all the patrols, fences, barbed wire and steel barriers designed to slice through cars it would be easy to mistake this place for fort knox. but it's really a fwoogle data center. for many years the company refused to admit these even existed. even today no visitor may enter

without first signing a in nondisclosure agreement. >> saying you won't take anyone authorized pictures or talk about anything you see. >> reporter: inside security is just as tight. retina scans determines who has access some of whom many google executives have. every single person entering and leaving is tracked. if more than one person enter the door at once an alarm sounds. >> have you ever had a breach at this facility? >> no. >> reporter: our tour guide is google's vice president, urs holzle. one of google's first employees. >> my title was search engine mechanics and i picked that because everything was broken. google was down. searches took five seconds. >> reporter: now urs holzle is in charge of building and running all of google's data centers.

>> in the industry you're known as the infrastructure czar. flattered by that? >> you know yes. >> reporter: yes? our first stop the networking room. it's like air traffic control. every time a user asks google for something that request is first routed here and then directed to another computer on the server floor. how many servers are on this floor? >> for today we have 55,200. >> reporter: the sheer size and scale of the place is breathtaking. employees must wear ear plugs to protect their hearing from the roar of tens of thousands of machines. >> e of these >> each of these are very powerful. >> reporter: when one goes down we see firsthand what it takes to replace them. >> right here.

how about that? >> reporter: recently the industry came under fire for being energy hogs. consuming huge amounts of electricity to keep servers running in air conditioned rooms. on our tour google was very eager to show us how they were reducing their carbon footprint here at the data center. that's because the company is very protective of its green image according to "wire" magazine. he's covered google for years and also got a tour. >> the opening up of data centers really comes from their feeling that they can't keep this to themselves. >> reporter: google reduced a lot of its energy consumption by raising the temperature on the server floor from a chilly 68 degrees to a balmy 80. >> we're estimating we saved over a billion dollars through the history of google. >> only 10% of the electricity is not used to power its

servers. another google innovation. replacing wasteful air conditioners with a water based cooling system. for all of the company's efforts to become energy-efficient a lot of their power still comes from nonrenewable sources. >> reporter: the power here is -- >> the power comes from whatever the local utility provides. >> reporter: clean energy? >> in north carolina it's about coal. we're currently at about 35% of renewable energy and aiming to get eventually to 100%. >> reporter: google says it's the only time they will allow tv cameras inside their server floor but in an effort to be more open they say they will put up video and pictures of all their data centers on their

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is doing today but we think it's not coming back any time soon and we promise anthony mason will come back with a breaking news report once we know the status of the raccoon. welcome to cbs "this morning." >> cnet calls the ipad mini the sasquatch of the gadget world because nobody knows if it exists. apple is hosting a media event next week and they are expected to show off a smaller version of the ipad tablet. brian cooley is here with us this morning. it's kind of the worst kept secret in apple. >> as usual. apple secrets are leaky these days. >> what do we expect from this meeting? >> we expect them to roll out this ipad mini that's smaller and cheaper. that's what's consumers are responding to. over the course of this year we're expecting tablet sales to go up 60%. but within that the smaller seven inch tablet sales are going up 100%. consumers are veering that way.

to give you and example why. you couldn't do this with a full size ipad. this is a competing google tablet but this gives you and idea what a seven inch tablet feels in your hand smaller, lighter and the key here is cheaper. a lot of people look at the current ipad of 500 to 830 bucks. that's a commitment. that's more than i can afford >> you're carrying this around. >> i've gone to to the seven inch tablet. i have them both. i'm not carrying the full ipad as much. i'm using it as the tv room device as the reader upstairs for reasons i don't understand because i like this guy whenever i travel and when i take to it work. >> what you're saying is size matters. >> size matters. in this category it's about getting smaller because consumers want to spend less they want to love less and they want to feel they are getting all they need without getting too much. >> so, is it just a reduction in size or are there going to be new features? is it fast center >> that's the key angle.

what will they do to make it different. imagine if apple comes along with something that that does. they don't want to look like followers. their reputation doesn't go down that alley. i don't have a good handle on what the new thing would be. >> we think of apple of usually being ahead or breaking a category. >> usually. they usually break categories in terms of getting them mainstream. not first in smart phones or mp-3 players or not first in many other areas but first at making them really acceptable. that's their key. >> is there a concern at all people will stop buying the bigger iran pads? >> that's reason why steve jobs poo-pooed that idea because they wanted to be careful about demand for the big ipad getting injured. now they are coming in to backfill where the consumer says we need it. rolling stones probably as you've never seen them. they are coming up next right here on cbs "this morning".

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today the crew of a $10 million catamaran will try to figure out why the boat capsized on the san francisco bay. pieces of the boat are now back onshore. oracle racing was testing the boat for next year's america's cup race when it flipped yesterday. apple is expected to unveil its new gadget next week. word is the company will introduce a smaller less expensive version of its ipad which some call the ipad minute any. the company has sent out in-- mini. the company has sent out invitations for an announcement next tuesday at the california theater in downtown inside. stay with us, traffic and weather in just a moment.

good morning. first just getting word of muni delays. there was a minor injury accident at third and king on a muni train. there may be street closures by at&t park. otherwise, bart, ace, caltrain,

ferries, everything is reporting no delays. quick look towards the south bay where it is really backed up again once again this morning on the guadalupe parkway. highway 85 and 280 heading out of downtown san jose. that is a check of your "timesaver traffic." here's lawrence. >> a lot of sunshine coming our way, nice start to the morning. high pressure building in overhead and those offshore winds are already beginning to blow outside. that will keep skies clear as we head throughout the day. and really going to heat up temperatures. 61 in livermore. 60 vallejo. still cool in santa rosa at 48 degrees. by the afternoon, 90s showing up in some of the hottest valleys, even mid-70s at the coast and 80s inside the bay. the next couple of days spectacular. more clouds for the weekend, rain next week. captions by: caption colorado comments@captioncolorado.com

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it's 8:00. welcome back to "cbs this morning." president obama gets high marks for last night's debate and so does mitt romney. we'll look at who is likely to get a bigger bounce from the voters, and we'll hear the rolling stones at the beginning of their 50-year career. first, here is a look at what's happening in the world and what we've been covering on "cbs this morning." >> mr. president, have you looked at your pension? >> you know i don't look at my pension. it's not as big as yours. >> let me give you some advice. >> i don't check it that often. >> president obama and governor mitt romney hit each other early and often in their second debate last night. >> a pretty combustible mix, a president with a lot to prove, governor romney fighting to maintain his momentum. >> this is a guy who is absolutely committed to bringing the middle class back and getting this country on the road to recovery. >> three debates the vice president and the president have not offered a single new idea about how to turn this economy around and create jobs. nike announced this morning

it's dumping lance armstrong because of his doping scandal. nike said it was misled by armstrong for more than a decade. police in netherlands are looking for suspects in one of the largest art heists in recent history. how many former deputy directors of the fbi wear pink ties? >> what's wrong with pink ties? monkey business for you. after throwing a wayward raccoon, they chased it down and wouldn't let it go. >> my worry is why are you -- the president gets a lot of criticism or got a lot of criticism for not being aggressive enough in the first debate. tonight he came out and immediately karate chopped mitt romney in the throat. >> i'm norah o'donnell with gayle king and anthony mason. charlie rose is out this morning. president obama and mitt romney go back to campaigning today after last night's in-your-face

debate. when it was over cbs news took a poll of uncommitted voters who watched the debate. 37% of them said president obama was the winner. 30% said romney won and 33% called it a tie. last night's debate had some very tense moments, a question about the attack in labia that killed u.s. ambassador chris stevens led to one very heated exchange. >> you said in the rose garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror it was not a spontaneous demonstration. >> please proceed, governor. >> i want to make sure we get that for the record. it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi an act of terror. >> get the transcript. >> we're completely off immigration. >> i thought we were talking about immigration. >> quickly mr. president, if i could have you sit down, governor romney. thank you. >> governor we have produced more oil. >> how much did you cut licenses and permits on federal land and

water? >> governor romney here is what we did. there were a whole bunch of oil companies. >> i had a question. how much did you cut them by? >> i'm happy to answer the question. >> mr. president, have you looked at your pension? >> i've got to say -- >> mr. president have you looked at your pension? >> i don't look at my pension. it's not as big as yours. >> let me give you some advice. >> i don't check it that often. >> let me give you some advice. look at your pension. you also have investments in chinese companies. let's bring in cbs news political director john dickerson and national journal white house correspondent major garrett. good morning. >> morning. >> major, did the president do what he needed to do to get back in the game? >> the president obviously did what he needed to do. he needed to inspire democrats completely depressed and demoralized by the president's awol debateperformance in the last

debate. the predicate will be used by the campaign so this debate is a turning point for president obama, regaining momentum and finding points to criticize governor romney down the stretch. >> they both seem to have a couple "you want a piece of me" moments where the president butted heads repeatedly. how do you think that played with people who were watching, people there in the auditorium and peach who were watching? what are you hearing? >> reporter: in the hall there was a moment when governor romney sold of toward the president to be quiet and stop interrupting. there was an audible gasp inside the hall. people had been told to be quiet and not pipe up at all. i think for partisans, they felt both sides had plenty to feel energized about their candidate. i wonder about any swing voter or undecided voter who watched this bicker-fest and sort of this is exactly what i hate about politics on both sides,

that any actual clarity about the issues was totally obscured by their interrupting each other and their obvious destain for each other. >> major, i want to ask you about the debate last night. there's been a focus on women voters that voters. there was an exchange about equal pay for women. romney talked about getting binders full of women. did that remark hurt him at all? will it be something he has to explain more about in the future? >> the obama campaign felt after the debate they achieved some significant breakthroughs on women's issues and they will use some of the things governor romney said in the debate against him binders full of women will be one of them. david plouffe said in the spin room afterwards look we are not tied with governor romney with women. one poll doesn't indicate where we are. in the swing states iowa nevada new hampshire and nevada they feel they have a

substantial important lead among women in those four states. what happened last night they believe they can use to expand or protect that lead. governor romney's people in the spin room said look, the overwhelming transcendent issue for women and all americans is the economy. they believe the summation to the one question was asking president obama, i supported you in 2008, why should i do it again? romney campaign believes that's the most important tell on the economy and every other issue and that will dominate. >> what was the home run for each candidate last night, major and john? >> i agree with john. i think the contentious nature and the thing we're portraying repeatedly and everyone else is because that's what we like to focus on, does tend to discourage uncommitted voters. they're thirsting for data exchanges, not human chest-pumping exchanges. >> they did not seem to like each other. >> that's pretty clear. >> at all. john? >> well, i think the best moment

for the president was his final answer. one of his objectives in this debate was to show that he was going to fight for these things he said he was going to fight

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♪ i'll never be your beast of burden ♪ ♪ i'll never be your beast or burden ♪ take a moment and think of your favorite rolling stones song. on monday they announced the first concert for their 50th anniversary tour. we're getting a look at their history. the first movie ever made about the band was never publicly released. as jeff glor reports, stones fans are getting a chance to see it. good morning. this is good. >> good morning to you. there is not much we haven't seen or heard from the rolling stones in the last 50 years except maybe this. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: the year is 1965. ♪ hold me love me ♪

>> reporter: and this is mick jagger singing the beatles. this was just for warming up. by this time the rolling stones had reached a defining moment. previously just a blues cover band, the group was now generating its own material. ♪ i can't get no satisfaction ♪ >> reporter: why was it so important for you to see them write their own stuff. >> look what happened to the bands that didn't. you're like an airplane without a parachute. the voice is the very necessary part of a band, to have a voice, or else you just do duplication. >> i just wanted to make it like you're sitting on a bench -- >> reporter: andrew loog oldham was the band's then 19-year-old manager who came up with the idea for this shots of the band riffing, writing and composing while on tour in ireland, now included in a documentary "charlie is my darling."

>> you like him? >> yes. >> that's drummer charlie watts. >> i can't read. maybe it's an inferiority complex. maybe i'm great after all. >> reporter: why did charlie stand out so much? >> it's indescribable. he looked like a french gangster star. he had the voice and the resume and everything. >> reporter: andrew says charlie watts for whatever reason just jumped off the screen. why was that? >> i think charlie watts still jumps off the screen. at their finest when mick is doing his rooster strut and keith is standing there propped up by some sort of anti nature with a cigarette dangling to see charlie grinning there goes the kids again his expression is priceless. >> reporter: don't be deceived though. the film is much more than charlie. >> the future as a rolling stone is very uncertain. >> reporter: from the moody,

messy brian jones. >> you're not the same person on stage as you are the rest of the time. >> reporter: to the surprisingly self-aware jagger. >> you're acting. you're doing an act. it's not really you. >> reporter: "charlie is my darling" shows a band teetering on the brink of international rock 'n' roll stardom and struggling to find out what it all means. >> jagger's ego, he has said this himself, was one of the things that powered the rolling stones and turned them into the juggernaut they would become later on. the idea that not only are we this successful but we kind of deserve to be this successful. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: in 1965 success meant touring the biggest venue spaces in ireland, movie theaters. >> there's no moat.

there's nothing to protect them. there's no -- you've got this band that maybe doesn't even realize quite yet just how popular they are, just how enthusiastic and excitable their fans are. >> i had just watched somebody's hands from the trunk of the taxi. eventually you had to whack them. they still didn't feel it. they went oh, that's nice. >> they were rabid and they couldn't get enough. >> couldn't get enough. >> reporter: in motel rooms, on trains oldham made sure the stones kept the music coming. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: and they never missed a gig. >> i have always known that regardless of how they may have appeared, that they were

soldiers, and they never missed a date. they never fell over. >> warriors. >> yeah. it's a long distance route. >> and they knew that? >> oh yeah. you know it. ♪ ♪ >> you just want to sing along, don't you, guys? >> the dvd is coming out in early november. it's also going to be on dircectv. but so much fun to see. they were such cool cats. >> and still are. >> i was going to say 50 years later, they just announced tour dates coming up in newark new jersey next year and in london. the one shot of the fans jumping on the stage. it looked like he was fitting mick jagger. that's a fan. >> he's that happy to see them. andrew said these fans something kind of just overtook them and it was the adrenaline

and everything else. they didn't know what they were doing. they didn't feel pain. it was this rare transcendent moment. >> and they hadn't figured out security at rock concerts yet. >> absolutely not. you will not see that. >> on this upcoming tour. >> i've never seen them perform in person. have you? >> i saw them in the voodoo lounge tour in syracuse new york, in 1994. >> i saw them in 1994 too, in washington. >> at rfk. >> at rfk. >> let's all go together. >> you've seen them? >> no. >> what? >> date night, date night. tell your wife i'm very nice. i'm harmless. producer chuck lorre thinks a tv audience should be entertained every second even after the credits. we'll ask the man behind "two and a half men," "mike and molly" and "the big bang theory." he's got quite a resume.

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cbs news headlines. today the crew of that america's cup boat that capsized is going to try to figure out what happened yesterday. the $10 million oracle catamaran dug its bow into the water then slammed right into the bay. crews tried to tow it out but a current pushed the boat under the golden gate and into the pacific ocean. the team brought pieces of the catamaran overnight. time for a new boat. >> the giants take on the cardinals game 3 this afternoon the the team worked out at busch stadium last night. marco scutaro says he is feeling better after getting plowed by matt holliday in game number 2. scutaro is expected to play, although there could be some, uhm, thundershowers there. some delays. once again, game time 1:00 our time. got your traffic and weather coming up right after the break.

good morning. mass transit we're still watching these muni delays. there was an accident light rail versus car happened about an hour ago at third and king impacting the t line affecting traffic inbounded 280 heading into san francisco. taking a live look at our traffic sensors, slow on the guadalupe parkway and 280 because of earlier fender- benders. give yourself some extra time. the silicon valley ride on west downed 237 is actually easing up a bit in the last half hour or so. we still have brake lights leaving milpitas towards san jose. that's "timesaver traffic."

for your forecast, here's lawrence. >> all right. looking good outside now, a lot of sunshine come our way. we are going to heat those temperatures up today all the way to the coastline. you have clear skies even out at the beaches right now. numbers a little cool in parts of the north bay. 48 degrees in santa rosa. already 60 in fremont. 61 in livermore. by the afternoon, how about some mid-70s in pacifica today? beautiful there. 80 in san francisco. low 90s in some of the valleys. so you get you caught up with -- so you get the idea,beautiful warm day. cooler with more fog on friday. rain monday and tuesday.

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>> i'm not a loser. pic the ionary is not a true test of any intelligence or skill. >> in all fairness it has verbal skills visual skills. >> a lot of tough talk for a man who can't draw a chocolate chip cookie. >> the big bank theory is one of half a dozen his created by chuck lorre. >> they are called vanity cards and chuck lorre written nearly 400 of them over the years. you can find his favorites in a new book called "what doesn't kill us makes us bitter."

published by simon and shuster.ve to start with vanity card number ten. when i began writing these the principle was simple it's a vanity card so be vein. this is a very big chuck lorre. you're a vein man? >> they are notumilitycards. just an opportunity to write some silly things down 15 years ago. >> you say silly things. when we were going book they are very poignant. a couple of times i felt i was reading your personal journals. you said there's an apology letter to your dad. if you want to kill someone, if you want to kill someone you hate make them famous. it was cool to write your eulogy. very poignant and touching things bur life. like you were sharing your life with us. was that your intention. >> some therapy is going on.

some self-help. at a certain point i realized i could write anything i wanted. i kept waiting for a cbs executive or back in the "dharma and greg" days to say stop we don't like this. at times it got personal maybe too personal sometimes. i feel i had an opportunity to write whatever i wanted to and sometimes they would say no you can't put that on the show. >> we have to bring up 2011 a feud with charlie sheen who was in "two and a half men" and you used one of your vanity cards to vent. you wrote i don't do drugs, i don't have crazy reckless sex with strangers. if charlie why did you write that? >> i thought it was funny. at the time i thought it was funny. if you have to explain a joke then it's not funny. his initial reaction to it he

thought it was funny as well. you know someone out lives you you're not pissed. you're dead. that was the hope that it did not play well. >> i'm thinking it was an angry time but a painful time. i was wondering how you would save the show. i would think it was a painful time for you. >> this was a friend of mine. we had 8 1/2 good years together. we did a lot of television together. everybody on the show loved the man. and we were worried about him. we were truly worried about him. a great deal of concern that he was going to -- he might die. >> are you friends today? >> we've not spoken in two years almost now. >> you've been called one of the most successful comedy producers of all time. you've got three hit shows on right now. how do you do that? three hit shows. >> very efficiently. >> really? >> you run around and try to be helpful wherever you can and, you know it's all about the

writing. the scripts, you know are right and we had great casts on all three shows. just getting the words right. >> what drives you? you said there's still a sense of insecurity that drives you river day? >> you want to put on a great show every week. last week's show doesn't count. you have to do a new show and there's nothing that you've done in the past that reflects on what you're about to do and as you know you know, when you bring a show in front of an audience they ultimately tell you whether it works or not. it's humbling because you're wrong a lot. >> look at your track record. right now it's "mike and molly," big bang theory "two and a half men." before that "dharma and greg." you were fired from "my little pony" for not capturing pony voice. it's funny now but probably not funny at the time. >> more importantly too i didn't

even know you wrote, did you write the song for anyone gentleman turtles? -- ninja turtles? >> yeah. >> go ahead, chuck. turtle power. >> turtle power. >> because you have -- >> the one thing my children are most proud of. >> absolutely. absolutely. and what sort of musical background do you have? >> i was a journeyman guitarist for 15 years. playing clubs, bar mitsvahs. >> tomorrow is chuck lorre's birthday. >> happy birthday. >> when you were coming on you said i don't do this stuff. you weren't that nervous. >> my heart is pounding through my chest. >> wasn't this painless?

>> you guys were great. coming in to the dressing room and talking to me was helpful. >> no, no. tomorrow "two and a half men" guess whose on miley cyrus. >> i think you'll enjoy it. >> i'm looking forward to it. i'm a fan chuck lorre. nice to have you. >> chuck lorre the name of the book is called -- how great is half moon bay? "what doesn't kill us makes us bitter" does on sale and all the proceeds from this book goes to charity. maybe you think last night's debate had energy. but what about this? fast talking teenagers. they can go believe it or not 400 words a minute. we'll talk about these speed deba

♪ this is a car jack in progress. a man with a gun telling the driver in his pickup truck to get out. it goes from very scary to very quickly very funny because the gunman forgot something. how to drive a stick shift. he didn't get very far. finally he had to abandon the truck. crime does not pay. welcome back to cbs "this morning." do not try that at home norah o'donnell. >> a knuckle head. >> that's a knuckle head. >> well last night the presidential debate may be remembered for being aggressive and sometimes hot tempered but mo rocca met some young people who have actually had some fun debating as they speed through the process. >> if it sometimes feels our

candidates just aren't covering that much ground -- >> absolutely true. >> -- you might want to listen to this. few can argue like these fast talking teens on issues from russia. to poverty. and the economy. >> they are debating at speeds of nearly 400 words per minute four times faster than the average person speaks. it may sound like jibberish but this is serious. the topic is federal funding tore transportation infrastructure. >> you both go catholic school. >> yeah. >> you can do the whole rosary

in three minutes. >> we could. that's potential. >> but it's no gimmick. content counts. speed reading called spreading packs more facts into a speech and scores more points for the judges. timers are every where running long is not an option. >> if you think you can play fast and loose with the facts when you're speaking at these speeds think again. these kids don't miss a beat. turns out their lightning fast fast listeners and fact checkers. it comes down to what pennsylvania you use because some pennsylvania can write faster than others. >> if you're distracted for a couple of seconds you can miss a couple hundred words. >> it may cost you the debate.

>> the breathing. >> yeah. >> the sharp intakes of breath. sometimes it sounds like you're crying. like that kind of a thing. >> yeah. that happens. >> really good interpretation of the way we breathe. >> they feared something else the first time they heard their son practicing. >> he said speed is just a small part of debate prep. he spend hours every day researching content. >> here's a report. >> no won he went to national finals his junior year and when he's playing at home he never loses. >> we haven't won an argument in at least four years. we don't even gore try. >> i know it seems silly when we speak so fast as a result of that the ability to process

information quickly, make decisions quickly and subsequently think about an issue from a multitude of perspectives that is helping already. >> time with friends is spent dissecting topics like the impending fiscal cliff or nuclear annihilation. he never watches tv. ditto his policy debate competitors. >> if you were asked to debate nicki minaj versus maria carey in their feud you would learn everything about that. >> we would do some seven. >> do you know who they are? >> i've heard of them. >> i know starships. that's a pretty decent song by nicki minaj. but i don't know a lot about them otherwise. no. >> pop culture may draw a blank with this crowd but not politics. >> what could they learn from you? >> i think the importance of not just debating one issue, but

debating the issues behind those issues. or even the underpinnings -- >> should they talk faster? >> yeah. they probably should talk faster. >> mo rocca is here. i like your piece. it sounds like jibberish. it does. >> it's not jibberrish. what is the point? i'm a convert. it requires extraordinary conversation. these kids listen with precision. >> does anybody hyperventilate. >> maybe at the finals it will happen. they are formulating rebuttals as this is going on. so if you blank out, if you get distracted for a second you can miss an entire argument. >> this is a national competition now? there are other schools that are doing this >> there are other schools that are doing it in the chicago area. it's particularly big. i have to say it's kind of refreshing that these kids are totally disengaged from pop culture. i shouldn't say totally

disengaged but they are so focused policy, the sheer. a content they have to absorb and generate and formulate for these debates. i don't know. >> i would be worried if my kids started doing that at home. >> if you hear the muttering through the closed door -- >> the breathing concerns me. >> they could be olympic swimmers. >> thank you, mo rocca. if you love -- cbs "this morning". ♪

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♪ >> the x factor has two new hosts. they announced mario lopez and kim kardashian. hiring a kardashian is like having a vegetarian host a barbecue competition. >> ouch. >> the numbers are staggering. crime writer patricia cornwell has sold 100 million books in 36 languages in 120 countries. >> her new novel is the 20th featuring kay scarpetta. it's about a woman who vanishes while digging for dinosaur bones. >> thanks for having me on. >> congratulations. i tweeted you hello, by the way. >> hello to you. >> i marvel at what it must be like four. have you been to times square and seen this blow up of you?

>> haven't seen it in person but i'm aware of it. >> it's a blow up of the book. i'm thinking of how far we've come from a little girl where at the first book signing nobody showed up. >> the very first book i do which was a biography of ruth graham. they had a book signing for me and the parking lot was packed and my heart stopped. and it was everybody using the library. >> talk to me about kay scarpetta. >> she's such a fun character to work with. i never get bored with her. she's a forensic sleuth. she's an italian cook. she takes care of her dysfunctional family. if there's a case no matter how impossible this woman is relentless and she will find the answer that everyone else misses. >> you basically with this series of books kind of created the whole craze for foreignnsics.

are the mother for csi? >> do i. i have to admit when people tell me about the show and i cornered the market on forensics, how did i miss that boat? i wish forensic was as "star trek"ian as csi because we need more training in this country and it's not like what i write about or see on tv. i wish it was hat good every where. i think that what scarpetta did was make forensic science and medicine accessible to people. it made it for the entertainment industry to have fun with it. >> there's so many entertainment shows whether it's "bones" or "csi," very attractive women forensic scientists how did you come up with the idea of doing forensic scientist. >> i started out as a journalist. i get to a homicide scene and the body was gone.

i wanted to know what did they do with it? what is the body telling these people. i was incredibly curious. so when i decided to try to write crime fiction i did research medical examiner that got to see a facility in the labs. this was way back in 1984 where they were just starting to talk about dna and lasers and i said wow this is the world i want to know. >> i want seems like kay scarpetta and pa try va overlap. there's a very poignant story that at the age of 5 your father left on christmas day and you still remember that very vividly. i wonder what role that play? >> there's a parallel because scarpetta when she was a little girl her father was dying of cancer and her earliest childhood memories are the ones of being able to take care of him. my theory about her why she wants to take death and put it back together again because she wants to undo his dying. this is the enemy.

she understands loss. >> same for you. >> i do. hopefully it makes me a nicer person. >> the first book came out what year? >> 1990. >> i remember looking for a first edition of that book and it was priced at $1,000. >> first printing was only 6,000. one bad book review 6,000 copies and i got $6,000. i was grateful anybody wanted to publish me. >> now that you know each other -- >> do you happen to have one he could have. >> we wouldn't be mad if you sign it. very nice to have you. congratulations. thank you so much. "the bone bed" is

>> your realtime captioner: linda marie macdonald good morning, everyone. 8:55 your time. i'm frank mallicoat. get you caught up with some bay area headlines right now. today the crew of the $10

million catamaran will try to figure out exactly what went wrong on the bay yesterday. pieces of the boat are now back onshore. oracle racing was testing the boat for next year's america's cup race when it flipped over yesterday afternoon. today consumer advocates plan to protest a mediator that was selected for talks on the san bruno pipeline disaster. former senator george mitchell will lead the negotiations but some are calling it a back room deal claiming mitchell's law firm has represented major utilities in the past. how about the giants? they take on the cardinals game 3 this afternoon, nlcs. marco scutaro doing better after this matt holliday plowing him in game number 2. scutaro expected to play today. game time our time 11:00 but lawrence is telling me, there may be a little iffy weather. isn't that right? >> yes. about 90% chance of thunderstorms there so there could be some delays in the game. but not outside today. we have beautiful sunshine all the way to the coastline. overlooking nob hill, blue skies right now will stay that

way all day long. temperatures unseasonably warm as that strong ridge of high pressure sits overhead. we have the offshore winds. red flag warnings up in solano county and into the sacramento valley so that high fire danger will continue throughout the day today. temperatures are going to be something, mid-70s at the coast, 80s in the bay, low 90s inland. probably a similar day tomorrow. then we cool down for the weekend. maybe some rain next week. we are going to check out your "timesaver traffic" coming up.

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good morning. well, even at this late hour usually the commute is winding down, instead it's heating up. northbound 880 past the coliseum there is a stall, blocking a lane. stop and go from hayward, there is a look at the drive time, nearly 45 minutes between 238 and the macarthur maze. also, pretty busy still from marin county northbound 101 against the commute san pedro road heavy traffic coming through novato all the way down towards san rafael. and here's a live look at the san mateo...