>> schieffer: we'll hear more on that from newt gingrich. tennessee republican representative, marsha blackburn. for analysis, being bring there david ignatius of the "washington post." david sanger of the "new york times," and from campaign 2012, obama adviser stephanie cutter, and romney adviser kevin madden. back to face off one more time because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: and good morning, again. california's democratic senator dianne feinstein is joining us in the studio this morning. senator, you introduced this legislation friday to ban assault weapons reinstate the ban. you got this passed once before. it was uphill all the way. you can see this time it's going to be uphill, but why do you

think you can get it passed? >> well, i think i can get it passed because the american people are very much for it. there's a new poll out 50,000 people in the field 68% supportive of a ban on assault weapons. i think what happens is you have one group-- namely, the national rifle association-- that has such a pronounced view that dominates the arena but we have the united states conference of mayors we have the major city chiefs, we have the largest police organization in the world supporting us, we have individual chiefs and sheriffs. we have pediatricians trauma room surgeons, teachers-- you name it, all the way down-- we have the clergy. we have the dean of the nationalica needald launch this and talk about effort he's going to put together among clergy of

all types and sex and religion in addition the united states to support this. this is an uphill climb. it is a different bill than i introduced. we go from two physical characteristics in the definition of an assault weapon to one. we ban 158 specific guns by make and model. we grandfather 2200 weapons by make and model that are rifles, shotguns pistols used for recreation defense hunting. we ban clips drums or strips of more than 10 bullets. prohibit their manufacture their sale, their transfer. we are different from the new york state law. we do not require registration of grandfathered weapons. and in that regard we are also different from the california law. in a sense it's a little more moderate in that regard because

the gun organizations regard registration as "the first step to confiscation." >> schieffer: when somebody sells one of these guns they may have now or gives it to someone else? >> we rerequire a full background check to the transferee the person to whom the gun is transferred. >> schieffer: do you think the n.r.a. is now or less powerful than 20 years ago? >> i think they're equally as powerful. they're now supported by a lot of gun manufacturers. they've certainly extended their arm-- this morning's front page story in the "new york times" tells about their efforts to provide training and weapons to youngsters 8-15 years old. as a matter of fact, i saw a very young youngster with an ar-15 in the newspaper this morning. that's the same type weapon that was usedly at sandy hook school. i know what happened to the bodies at sandy hook school, and

to have these weapons just floating around our society and particularly with youngsters who are by nature unpredictable is a bit frightening. >> schieffer: let me ask you this. some people clearly see-- and i think they're sincere about it-- that they just feel this infringes on their rights and that this is the first step to taking their gun away from them. >> well, let me talk about rights for a minute. does a child have a right to be safe in school? does a law client when he goes into a law firm have a right to believe he's safe? does a shopper in a mall have a right to believe that she's safe? i think so. and what's been happening as these incidents happen-- look at aurora. people sitting in a theater. somebody with 100 rounds in a drum came in and just mowed down people. do people going to movies have a right to be safe?

you want to talk about rights, talk about the rights of the majority, too. >> schieffer: what about-- what about the idea that-- which some gun rights supporters cite-- they say look, all of this is just to make people feel good. it's just kind of feel-good legislation that in the end it's not going to stop these kinds of incidents. >> well, that's absolutely not true. what we are trying to do is overall see that weapons-- i would like to see them all registered. it's not in our bill, but see that weapons are in the hands of responsible citizens. that they are used legally not illegally. that they do not fall into the hands of gangs. do you realize we have 150,000-plus gang members in the-- in this nation. when they go up against the police, it's generally an ak-47. you realize that police have had to break into gun stores to get

weapons that would be stronger than the adversary they have? do you realize that one up on the of every five law enforcement officers that's killed is killed with an assault weapon? do you need assault weapons? these are weapons that are made to kill large numbers of people in close combat. and what we have found that now with the ar-15 they have a slide stock which you put in. it's legal. and it makes the gun act fully automatic. >> schieffer: let me change the subject just quickly because you are also chairman of the intelligence committee. we've got some bad stuff apparently, going on in mali and other places. you know, a couple of months ago, people were saying we'd basically won the war on terror. how much of a threat do you think terrorism is right now? >> i think it rehans a real threat. i do not believe it has gone away. i believe there's now--

necessary just my belief-- an effort to establish a beachhead for terrorism a joining together of terrorist organizations. i think benghazi was a small symptom of that. in northern africa, in mali, in other countries in that area, i compliment the french for taking vigorous action. i believe very strongly what the united states needs to do is put together our allies into an alliance bring in russia, bring in china because i think it's to the interest of civilized countries to have an apparatus to be able to take down and rend asunder terrorist groups wherever they appear. >> schieffer: all right dianne feinstein, thank you so much. >> thank you very much. >> schieffer: we're going to get a slightly different take on all this now. we're going to new york and police commissioner ray kelly. commissioner, you just heard senator feinstein. do you think-- is this the right

way to approach this? is banning assault weapons where you start banning these magazines that hold more than, say, 10 rounds? or do you see it in a different way there in new york? >> well, i commend the senator. i i think it's certainly a move in the right direction. i agree with it. as the senator said, it's probably a heavy lift in congress, but for us in new york city. >> and believe in most urban centers of america the problem really is concealable handguns. only 2% of the people that we've arrested for guns in the last two years have had assault weapons. we don't want them on the streets. make no mistake about it, but the problem is the handgun. 60% of the murders in new york city are caused by handguns. and we simply have too many of them. even though last year, we had a record low in murders in new york city, and a record low in shootings, it's still way too

many. >> schieffer: if you had a wish list of what you would like the congress to do, what congress could do to help you and your policemen who are out there on the streets what would it be, commissioner? >> i think the universal background check can be helpful. about six million weapons is estimated were sold last year would you want a background check. that's a significant-- that's the loophole that they talk about. i think the background check will also be helpful in identifying straw purchases making them more aware of the fact that they're now on record and you can record purchases that they make. so i think over time, the universal background check will have an impact. >> schieffer: i want to talk to you a little bit about this new technology that you're using up there in new york, or at least getting ready to use where you can kind of-- i don't quite understand how it works but basically you can point it

at somebody and tell if they're carrying a weapon i guess would be one way to put it. >> well, we're not quite there yet. but it's called teras hertz technology. we have been looking at it for several years with the department of defense and also metropolitan police in london. basically, everyone emidst what is called terra hertz radiation and if that radiation is blocked by something such as a woman you can see the outline of it. we tested it. we just received the latest prototype and it's very encouraging. it's still too big for deployment in-- you know, in a reasonable way. but we're getting there. it's sort of like the cell phone was 20 years ago. so we're encouraged by that. and the british are encouraging as well. we hope to be using it, at least experimentally, in the next six months. >> schieffer: do you foresee any problems with civil liberties groups? they may say this is invasive on

people's privacy? >> oh, sure. this is new york. no question about it. and we're working with our attorneys to see to it that it is appropriately used. we understand there are fourth amendment issues here. so we want to get everybody on board before this goes to any widespread use. but it is-- it is encouraging. and i say new york is probably most litigious environment in the world, and we have to be aware of that before we implement it. >> schieffer: what about people who sincerely believe that when we institute tighter controls on guns, even background checks, that it is infringing on their rights? >> well, we understand that. there are different cultures in this country and i think you know the supreme court case the district of columbia versus healthem, pretty much made certain that the concept of people having a right to guns

with some legitimate regulations is here to stay. we're not looking to infringe on anybody's right to have guns legally. aware whatwe're looking to do is get the illegal guns off our streets. for our city, 90% of the guns we confiscate are coming from out of state. so we need a national, comprehensive strategy, or we need other states to put in the very strong, aggressive gun legislation that just passed under governor cuomo's leadership in the state legislature. so we are the target, so to speak. it's coming in from other places but we're clear not looking to infringe on the rights of legitimate people to possess guns legally. >> schieffer: all right well, commissioner, it's always a pleasure to have you. and good luck on keeping those streets safe up there. we'll be right back in one minute.

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>> schieffer: woman we're back now and we hope to get another perspective on guns and this whole problem that the country is pazzing. with us this morning former speaker of the house newt gingrich and congresswoman marsha blackburn from tennessee. you actually liked to be called congressman, don't you? >> congress marsha. whatever works. >> schieffer: well you hospital dianne feinstein. >> sure. >> schieffer: miss black burn and you heard ray kelly. what's your take on this jamy take sfirst of all we need to make certain we keep children safe, and that's what we want to do. but i gotta tell you when i hear some of this conversation, i think that we're looking at symptoms. we're not looking at the root causes. and i've talked with a lot of teachers, classroom teachers after the sandy hook situation and i say look, we need to be

looking at mental health. we need to be looking at the root causes. some of these psychotropic drugs, and not let this be about the weapon but let's talk about some of the root causes in these issues. and i understand the senator's passion for this, but i gotta tell you an assault ban is not the answer to helping keep people safe. >> schieffer: do you think oops the answer, speaker? >> as new york commissioner said, the overwhelming problem for him is handguns, not the-- assault weapons are about 2%. but i also think the term "assault weapon" is propaganda. any true military weapon is illegal, has been illegal since 1934. if somebody using an ak-47 they're using an illegal weapon because it is an automatic weapon. we do not allow people to buy automatic weapons will unless they have a very strict collector's license, and that's been true now for almost 80 years. >> schieffer: but these are rapid-fire weapons. >> you pull a trigger-- >> schieffer: they're not machine guns but they're rapid

fire. >> every pistol does that. the person who killed the most people at virginia tech used two pistols. the fact is every political attack from j.f.k. to the president has involved a weapon which would be legal under senator feinstein's law. pistols-- go to chicago the murder capital of the united states, and north the house or senate has held hearing but over 500 people died last year. they are weren't assault weapons. this is a serious question where we ought to have the courage to look at facts and not create propaganda. >> schieffer: i agree with you, miss blackburn that i think mental health needs to be a part of this. i think it's got to be a comprehensive plan of some sort. but i also wonder, i mean, don't we have to find some way just to reduce this access to guns that some of these people have? i mean,un if the guy had walked into the connecticut school with a baseball bat he could have

put some bumpologist a couple of people's head, but i don't think that many people would have been killed. >> well, you know, i think again, you look at the safety issue. some of the school districts if my congressional district are looking at resource officers, and how they secure that environment. but, you know, the speaker is right. you look at what is actually causing the problem. this means you look at the weapons that are there. you do some hearings that are on, that have occurred in some of these areas like chicago where they have a problem. you look at the mental health issues. you look at the psychotropic and psychiatric drugs that a lot of the youth are taking that individuals that have committed these crimes are taking. you look at the violence that is there in entertainment in video games, and don't just go say "we're going to do an assault weapons ban and that's going to solve the problem." because it is not going to get to the root of the problem. >> schieffer: how do the two

of feel about background checks? do you think that would be helpful? >> well, we have background checks now. i think there are substantial number of felons who have actually amild to buy a gun. the obama administration to the best of my knowledge, has prosecuted virtually none of them. >> schieffer: but there are no background checks at gun shows. >> we already have a background check when you go to a regular gun dealer. a gun dealer who is at a gun show, in fact, does a background check. >> that's right. >> if he's an authorized dealer. all of those folks fill up on the the paperwork. it goes to the federal government-- don't hold me to this-- but i think there are 70,000 cases will of people who are convicted felons trying to buy a gun who was turned down. it's illegal to apply to buy a gun if you're a convicted felon. i think this administration has prosecutedly virtually none of them. so they already have the data. they were not doing anything with it. what i'm trying to say is there is a perennial desire photomake the innocent have a more complicated life because of the

hand full who are the guilty rather than focusing on the guilty. >> schieffer: but you still have, at the end of the day you have these awful things that happen and they happen over and over, and they seem to happen more and more. aren't we going to have to find out and aren't we going to have to get serious about doing something about this? >> well, absolutely. you do because you want to make certain that people are safe in public places. you want to make certain that children are safe at school. but, bob i've got to tell you doing a so-called assault weapons ban is going after a symptom, and as teachers have said to me, don't focus on whatever is the weapon. get to the root cause. look at some of these mental health issues. look at some of these drugs that are involved in this. look at some of the is violence that is permeating this society. teenagers parents are all saying, you know, you need to drill down on this a little deeper. be a little bit more thoughtful on it.

and, you know, i'm with the speaker. why should law-abiding citizens be compromised because you've got some bad actors over here that are not complying. >> i think it would be very compelling-- there are a finite number of mass murders in the last 25 years. a series of hearings has started with cull tumly evaluating these people. who are they? i just sat through a wonderful report by the author of "rawhide down" when he talked about reagan being shot. the reason he shot him is he wanted to get jodi foster's attention. now, i mean you look apt these kind of things, and the guy who killed people tragically in newtown was using his mother's guns. so the background check wouldn't have done any good. the young man in new mexico who killed his family-- tragically-- had actually been given the guns by his father to protect the family. i think we have to look at what's really going on and not just rush in to a 20-year-old idea that didn't work. by the way gun murders have gone down since the assault

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