>> schieffer: today on "face the nation," the families of the newup to victims came to washington to make their case. >> please help us do something benefit our tragedy becomes your trag tragedy. >> i'm a parent . you i can't imagine. i can't imagine. >> schieffer: they will be

here to talk about the bipartisan plan they worked out to strengthen background checks for gun buyers. we'll also hear from former astronaut, mark kelly, husband of gun victim and former congresswoman grirdz. it was a rare. week of bipartisanship, and who know where's it all goes, but we'll also talk to senator marco rubio about the bipartisan group he's working with on immigration reform. all that, plus analysis from davi from david ignatius of the "washington post," david sanger of the names. madeleine albright of the. requested cook political report, and our own own john dickerson, next on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. captioning sponsored by cbs

chff: good morning again. the topics are g and migration. we're going to start this morning with immigration. we're joined by the senator many consider the key person on this issue, marco rubio, who is part of a pipartisan gang of eight, who have worked out a compromise proposal. they are hoping it will result in a reform of immigration laws that will appeal to both sides. the senator's in miami this morning. senator, good morning. >> good morning. >> schieffer: let me just make sure first, do you-- have you agreed with the gang of eight? are you all together on this proposal and when will you unveil it? >> first of all, it's important to understand we're not agreeing to a press release. we're agreeing to a bill, a piece of legislation. we have agreed to the principles will of a piece of legislation. they're still being drafted. i would say, obviously, if the draft looks what we agree to i look forward to talking about it later this week about it. i'm very optimistic about it. >> schieffer: senator, i think the most important part of it,

what happens to the 11 million immigrants in this country illegally? what happens to them. >> right, yeah. first of all, i think it's important to point out this is not a theory. they are actually here. we are not talking about brings millions of people here illegally. they are here now and they are going to be here for rest of their lives. the proposal in the past some advocated to make their lives miserable so they'll leave on their own or basically ignore the problem which is happening now and is de facto amnesty. they will is have to come forward and pass a rigorous background collect. if they pass the background check, they will be given an opportunity to pay a fine and get a worker permit that allows them to stay in the u.s., work, travel, and pay taxes. they will not be eligible for any federal benefits, including obamacare. it's not a special path. it's the same path as everybody

else. that will be dependent upon certain security measures being met. that means securing the border. universal e-verify, and the universe pre/exit. and if it is not in place, it will not begin, even the 10 years has elapsed. >> schieffer: some republicans wias amnesty under another name or under another label. is it? i think that musses the point, under existing law, if you're illegally here you can get a green card. it says you have to go back to your country of birth, wait 10 years, and apply for the green weird. we're saying if you decide to stay here, you have to wait more than 10 years, until e-verify and border security happens pup won't qualify for any itself observers. you have to pay taxes, prove you're not a public charge and you'll have to wait longer than 10 years to qualify for all of that. i would argue the existing law is more lenient, going back and waiting 10 years is going to be

cheaper and faster than going through this process we are outlining. >> schieffer: you are also calling for some very significant measures to tighten security along the border. and-- including spending more than $3 billion, as i understand it. >> well, i just think it's important when we talk about border security-- although, the immigration issue gets all the attention with regards to it-- want border is really about our sovereignty as a country, about our ability to protect our borders and. who has access to our nation. the fact of the matter swhile i am not in favor of a housekeeper or landscaper crossing the border illegally, what keeps us up at night is that a terrorist comes across the border one day or the activities being undertaken now by criminal gangs that are human traffickers. this addresses that as well. there was a very compelling argument over the weekend in the "wall street journal" about the problems that exist at the border and i think these are the kinds of issues we're trying to get here as well. >> schieffer: do you think you can get this bill passed this year on immigration? >> the-- i do. i'm optimistic about it. i think this bill answers all the questions that people

raise. that's why it's taking so lock. that's why we've spent so much time on it. that's why we continue to spend this time on it. this does three things, modernizes our legal immigration system, something we need to do no matter what. it puts in place the toughest enforcement measures in the history of the united states, potentially in the world. and it once and for all deals with the issue of those that are here illegally, but does so in a way that is fair and compassionate but does not encourage people to come illegally in the future and is it not unfair to people who have done at the present time right way. that's why i am optimistic we will get the voteses that will pass. it will be a long process, and i believe it take some time but i believe we get there. >> schieffer: let me shift this with guns. you met with the families-- some of the families of the newtown tragedy. what do you think is going to happen. >> we're going to have senator marchy and senator toomey here with a proposal on background

checks. you said you were going to filibuster the debate on guns. will you now continue to filibuster, as these various bills come up and why? >> well, we're on the bill now, and hopefully we can get into an open amendment process. for example, i hope we can pass an amendment to the bill that says we're going to start prosecuting people who ill leally are trying to buy guns and get around the background checks. i hope we can have a debate on violence in this country. i don't think there's enough focus on the violence, which is the fundamental problem that we face. i also think it's important to protect the rights of americans, of law-abiding americans to posecret firearms have a the second amendment which is a constitutional right. i didn't write the constitution. that's in in there. any time you're going to do anything that touches upon that you have to provide a very high standard. my issue is i hope we can can broaden it and deal with pentald health and prosecutions of those who are criminals will but have been trying to buy guns.

>> schieffer: did the meeting with these families, did that have any impact on your thinking? >> it sure did. >> schieffer: what do you say to them? >> first of all, i was very impressed by these families, very touched by them and i have never had a meeting like that in all my years of public service. it's an indescribable experience. i congratulate them because they are taking a horrifying tragedy and trying to turn it into a positive for the broad aspesktz america. i don't think they disagree with anything i say that the debate needs to be about violence. and what i expressed to them, and i think they would agree with that, this issue cannot just be about guns. it has been hobby whole singly about violence as is impacts the whole country and i hope we take the opportunity the next few weeks as we debe this bill to look for ways to raise that issue and i think they would be very supportive of that. >> schieffer: senator, it seems to me, back when you were in the florida legislature, you were for background checks, for a waiting period before people could purchase a gun. are you now against background changed your m>>d? we-- we-- thw

requires background checks. by the way, the florida law also provide for you to have a concealed weapons permit, which means as a concealed weapons permit holder-- which i am-- you undergo a background check. there is no three-day waiting period for you when you go to buy a gun. we should apply that nationally. if you have received a concealed weapons permit from any state in the country, any state should honor that because that means you've undergone a rigorous background check. maybe that can be part of this bill as well. my problem is this-- new england to the issue i raised, which is this debate needs to be about violence, glowft about guns, we have to ensure the laws people are putting out there do not infringe on the rights of law-abiding citizens and do keep guns out of the hands of criminals. my skepticism about gun laws is criminals don't follow the law. they don't care what the law is, you can pass any -- >> senator, are you still there, senator? you know, criminals don't follow

the laws on burglary and on murder and on auto theft. but those laws still-- >> and we prosecute them. >> schieffer: i think most people would say those law are fairly effective. let me ask you this questions. you have you have a concealed weapons permit, do you carry a weapon? >> i do not. but i have a concealed weapon permit, and i don't quite frankly because you spend most of my time in airports and the capitol where you're not necessarily allowed to carry them around. all the americans have a second-american right to buy a firearm to carry one for self-defense and sport. if someone has an effective way to protect that right and prevent criminals from getting access toes, with certainly i think everyone is open to that. >> schieffer: let me ask you quickly before you go about north korea, what-- shawe be doing there? are we following the right policieses? >> i believe the administration has acted rponsibly right now on that. i think they've done three things that are important.

number one, they made very can clear there is not going to be any food or conceptions in exchange for downsizing these provocations. number two, they've repositioned assetes, and those repositioned assets do two things-- they protect the youth and our territory. but they also let our allies understand clearly that we are going to live up to our security commitments. i'm also encouraged that secretary kerry went to china yesterday and met with the president of chineica and hopefully we can get want chinese to care more with these issues and we're hoping china will recalbright their relationship with north korea and realize what's is there on the peninsula is unsustainable. the solution to the north korea problem is militarize and denewtularrize the passenger. when north korea has is not a government. north yeah is being run a criminal syndicate. >> schieffer: senator, thank you so much for joining thus morning. >> thank you. >> schieffer: all right, well, we want to welcome now another unlikely duo to "face the

nation," west virginia democrat joe manchin, and pennsylvania republican pat toomey, and i use the word "unlikely" not because only one is a democrat and one is a republican, but both are gun rights supporters and earned top ratings from the n.r.a., but last week they announced a proposal to expand background checks on gun purchases that will be debated in the senate this week. your proposal, as i understand it, closes this loophole, which means that people who go to gun shows will have to be subjected to background checks and a record of the sale will be kept, just as it is when you go to a-- to a gun dealer and buy a gun. have you gotten any republican support yet, senator toomey? >> yes, there is republican support. mark kirk has been actively engaged in this process, fully supports this approach. let me sess a couple things, bob. first thing is, there is not a single word in this legislation

that in any yfringes on the second amendment rights of a law-abiding citizen, but we think the laws that make it illegal now for a criminal or a potentially violent, dangerously mentally ill person to have a weapon-- that's the law of the land-- we think that makes sense, and we think a background check to help increase the likelihood that we'll be successful in keeping guns out of the hands of very dangerous people, it just makes sense. it's common sense. i think when people see the bill, they're going to support it. >> schieffer: you just heard senator rubio, i think you're going to have a problem with him. he does not seem to think any gun laws, really, as he put it, works. >> marco is artic lace raitt saying the things he would like to see in a bill and he can support, and all i'm saying i know he has time-- i know he has a busy schedule-- that he has time to read the bill, it's only 49 pages. everything he pointed out is in the bill, if you're a law-abiding gun owner you're going to like this bill. veterans rights, you're going to like the bill. if you have been mentally

adjudicated and try to go to a gun show or buy a gun online, you might not like this bill because you can't do it. we shut down the gun show loopholes and online sales. we did not infringe, as pat just said, we did not infringe on any individual's right, family, tradition of gun owners that we come from, gun culture states where a father can give a son or a relative or a cousin, did not infringe on any of that. and we strengthen the penalties for the states to do their jobs so we can get the records up to par. >> schieffer: i know, senator, you said after newtown it was time, that something had to be debate. senator toomey what, brought you to this place where you are now? >> bob, i have been in this place since 1999, my first term in the house. i voted to expand background checks because i think it's common sense to try to make it more difficult forcrim al schedules truly mentally ill op obtain weapons. and i acknowledge, there is no

single bill that is a panacea for this, but we can make it more difficult. we can reduce the chances that they'll be successful. and that would be some progress without infringing on the rights of law-abiding citizens. >> let me just say-- and i think even marco just said it and i know pat met with the families. i met with the families of newtown. these families-- i've never met people with the strengths and convictions they have. first of all, they'll come in and say we don't want anybody's guns to be taken away. we don't want any infringements of the second amendment to be infringed upon. when they come to you and they're saying, honestly, we know the bill you're working on right now would not have prevented what happened to our babies. but if you can prevent one family from not going what we went through, by keeping the guns out of a mentally deranged publish, out of a criminal that could do something, and i keep thinking if we just had half the courage these families had, if we as congress had half of their courage, and the common sense to

do the right thing oh, my goodness what, a difference we could make. >> schieffer: senator toomey yis this so hard? why is this such a hard thing? >> i think it's hard because people have misconception misconceptions about what's in the bill. they think there's a whole new system we're creating that they have reason to worry about. in fact, we're working within an existing swant existed background system that some shats stateshave chosen not to provide much information. in the case of the virginia tech shooting, for instance, that individual had been adjudicated as dangerously mentally ill. the court system in virginia knew that, but the state never provided the system to the background check so when he went to buy a gun, he passthe test. under our bill we create better incentives for states to provide this information, so hopefully they will and someone like him might be denied in the future. >> this is not universal. let me be very clear. this is a criminal and mental background check bill. only gun shows and internet sales. some people say you didn't go far enough. some say you went too f.

if you look at the bill, what we dwe did right, and we have cut down the loophole in the gun shows, and those on internet sales, bob, and that's what we tried to do. and we made no exceptions on that. and you know we're not infringing on people's rights. we're just not infringing on their rights. a law-abiding-- i come from a gun culture -- >> i know you do, senator, let me just stop right there. we're going to talk about this some more but we have to take a break here and we'll have more from the two senators. the world needs more energy.

>> schieffer: back now can senators marchion and toomey. senator toomey, thereby going to be a lot of amendments. this is going to go on for a while. some people say in the end there may be so many amendments you wind up with looser restrictions on gun sales. how do you counter that? >> i think it's very hard to say what amendments may succeed and

which may fail. i'm not sure how many there are going to be. but one we know for sures is going to be ours, and ours i think strikes the right balance. extend the background checks at gun shows we think makes a lot of sense. strengthening the existing background check system makes a lot of sense disappointed third piece we haven't talked about, there are a number of provisions in our legislation that allows an of a law abided citizens to enjoy their second amendment rights. flower current law, a very can be denied a second amendment rights. a social worker at the v.a. can decides pers is having trouble handling their financial finances, and bingo, they're denied their second amendment rights. we create a mechanism by which they can simply challenge and adjudicate that. it's very reasonable. >> schieffer: what b.c. will be the toughest thing to get this past? >> i think to get an honest look at the bill. if they'll just look at the bill-- and that's all we said. it's only 49 pages. it's not that long. we've had breakdowns on our web

site. cent it to all of our colleagues. they'll look at the look, and everything they heard about-- they said registration. you can't register. it's illegal. by law today we doubled down, pat and i, and basically says if any agency tries to do a registration, to have a national registry, it's a felony, 15 years' imprisonment. those kinds of restraints are there today. >> schieffer: how many voteses do you think you have right now, would you say? >> well, we're close. we need more. >> we're close. we're working it. we're discussing with colleagues on both sides. we've got bipartisan support, but there is bipartisan opposition glu mentioned one republican. do you have request other republicans at this point? we have others we're confident about. i'm not sure they've announced it. >> i was proud to see susan collins came out openly. >> schieffer: that was last night. >> and susan, what a beautiful lady. but she's got courage. >> schieffer: where do you see-- how do you see this debate

unfolding now? how soon will your amendment be offered? >> i think it's likely we'll have the vote by wednesday or thursday. >> schieffer: on your bill. >> we're going to start tomorrow. pat and i will start on the floor tomorrow, and we'll go through the bill and talk about it line by line, section by section, every misnom eeve falsehood we can talk about and bring light to it. i think the more people take time to learn more about this bill we'll get more support. if they give support to their representatives -- >> are the two of you going to be together. >> grandson on all of these votes that are going to be coming here. >> we don't know what votes are coming so it's hard to say that for sure. joe and i both are n.r.a. members "a" ratings with the n.r.a., we probably see things roughly the same way but -- >> what has the n.r.a. said to you? >> we've had open discussions. i think everyone should be at the table, and we've been very open and honest and had good discussion. there are some things they brought up that we have looked at this bill-- when they said,

listen, we supported this 10 years ago, and the government didn't do its job, d.o.j., they were right. we put penaltie penalties and incentives to make sure the records are done and done right. at the end of the day, they won't be with us on this i & i hope they allow members to see the facts and vote with their conscience. >> schieffer: do you think you'll get any conservative diswrems i do. i really do. and we're pleased with that. but i know some are in very difficult dispringtz bob, we came here to do something. we've got a chance to make a difference in people's lives. we have a chance to save lives and not infroinj law abiding citizens of this country, gun owners like myself and pat. we had that opportunity and got help us if we don't do it. >> schieffer: do you think, senator toomey, the n.r.a. will penalize you in some way? >> i don't know. we've had a good relationship over the years. we disagree on this. bob, you know, the chips will fall where they fall. i think my job is to do what i think is right. >> schieffer: all right well that's a good place to end this. thanks to both of you.

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