,, >> what he hoped would be signature achievement called is called obama care has nothing short of it's almost become a parody of the government can't seem to do anything right. you have held a variety of posts, committee chairman in congress, two cabinet posts, white house chief of staff. if you were on the president's staff right now what would you advise him to do? >> i think the most important thing some of the steps that he's taken to acknowledge the mistakes that were made to apologize for them. to make clear that he's going to do everything possible to fix the website so that it works. i think it's really important,

at least in my own experience, that you cannot rely on the bureaucracys to do this kind of work. i mean, they're good people, they're dedicated but very frankly they're not the ones that really have the capabilities to in fact get this done. so, i would drive this out of the white house, i would have an ongoing task force, i'd have one person in charge of it and i would meet every day to make sure that they're getting this straight. because i think the president's trust on this program is really going to be dependent on his ability to fix it and they have said they want to fix it by the end of november. but i think that's going to be tough. these are complicated processes and you've got to make sure very sure that you are in fact fixing it. >> schieffer: you think they should just shut the whole thing down and start over is that what is going to have to be done? >> i think they ought to be able to try and fix the systems.

i mean frankly they "have done it before it started, they should have gotten it right in place. and there are too many players so they really ought to try to make sure that they're going to be able to fix this system by the end of november. i hope they can. but if they can't they ought to be honest about what they're confronting. and i think ultimately that if they can fix it they can put this back on the right track. if they can't fix it then i think the president may very well have to accept some changes in order to make sure that we can continue to implement it. medicare went through this, the shakedown. medicaid went through the shake down these are complicated programs. but you've got to be able to adjust. you've got to be able to see what you have to do in order to make them work better and you ought to be open to that this if in fact that's required. >> schieffer: the president has apologized for telling people that they could keep their health care plan if they

liked it. now that's obviously not going to be possible. do you think he's done enough by saying that? >> i think it's important for him to acknowledge that. i do think that they need to do everything possible now with regards to those that may be having their policies cancelled to make sure that those people are being well served and can get new plans at a reasonable premium. that's something you really ought to focus on. >> schieffer: i want to ask you about the ongoing revelations about the national security agency. do you think this agency went too far, mr. secretary? >> bob, you know, my experience with these intelligence agencies is that these are professionals who do a great job at gathering the kind of intelligence that's important to protecting this country. we went through 9/11 and we learned that very frankly we did not have good intelligence with regards to what al qaeda was

doing. they have developed very good approaches to going after intelligence. let me tell you something else, that these agencies don't go out just gather intelligence on their own they do it pursuant to priorities that are established by the national security council and the white house. they don't just do this hit and miss on their own. they do it pursuant to what they're direct to do. >> schieffer: you were in the rare position of running both the cia and defense department which age see do you think is better suited to run the drone program? >> you know, this is -- without getting in to classified information, it is an operation that obviously i think we made a great deal of progress on at the cia. it was a very effective operation in terms of establishing targets and conducting very specific strikes

at going after poor al qaeda leadership. they did a very good job. and at the pentagon there is a comparable capability to do that. and one of the things frankly when i was secretary i said, we ought to pay more attention at the defense department to how cia handled this operation because they really have a very effective process. so, i think that's happening. i think the pentagon is beginning to develop that kind of capability. i think ultimately the more we can probably put in to the military the better because it's a much more open process. but there are always going to be the need for the kind of clandestine operation that the cia and cia alone can operate. i think we are best off if we can maintain both of those capabilities. >> schieffer: leadership it seems to me is about priorities. president obama has three years to go here, what do you think

his priorities should be over the next three years? >> i want president obama to be successful. to have a legacy. and office. there are important areas where i think he has made an important contribution, but more is going 4v-pi think he's got a good legy on the economy in terms of what he was able to do. but he's going to have to put a deal on the deficit in order to make sure we don't constantly confront these crises. that we've been confronting. that has to be done. i think he's got -- obviously a legacy on health care but he is going to have to do everything necessary to make sure that that program works. we're a country that's going to become energy independent but we need energy reform and we need to deal with climate change. lastly in the world he's kept america safe but we also have to continue to exercise world leadership. so, yes, he's made some good steps but he can't just -- can't get caught in what i call second

term blues where you kind of sit back and hope that things are going to be okay. you got to keep working at it. and if he does i think he can develop a hell of a legacy. >> o'donnell: more on second term blues we written in political roundtable joining us stephanie cutter with the top advisor to president obama she cohost at cnn's "crossfire" phil is a long time strategist and former director of the republican governors association. and john dickerson our cbs news political director. welcome all of you. let me start if you you served in the administration, worked for president obama. this is a little bit more though than second term blues, this was a failed roll out of obamacare, is the credibility of his presidency on the line? >> well, i think the credibility of the presidency is always on the line no matter what is going on. i don't think anybody inside the white house right now including the president is happy with the way this has rolled out. the health care law.

i think that he's trying to take steps to fix it. making sure that the website is up and working by the end of this month. that people can go online sign up for health care and of course we heard what he said couple of nights ago, apologizing for what's happening to some people in the individual market. i think that -- we are in a snapshot of time right now we know how quickly these things change. three weeks ago we were talking about a government shut down i think we have to see how things progress, the president's committed to it. there are people across this country who are already benefitting from the health care law whether it be preexisting condition, getting preventive care, women no longer paying 50% more than men those are -- those are signs of progress in very broken market. >> o'donnell: turns out that the president said this is more than just a website. turns out you look beyond the website there are a lot of real problems, millions of americans who are being kicked off their current insurance plan. they may be sub-par plans of being kicked off. after the white house pushing

back for several days on that then the president, john, came out said i'm sorry. that's extraordinary to have a presidential apology. >> presidents don't usually apologize. this one was late, too, president was apologizing for those people in the individual markets who got the cancellation notices, that's been going on for several weeks now. he's tried some other exits to this problem, redefining what his original promise was, putting it in important context which is, this is why it's more than a website. because what is supposed to happen, these people would lose their insurance that they had, the president knew that was going to happen because that was the point of this whole law was to disrupt the health care system from the bad form that it was in previously where people had to worry about ever getting covered if they were covered getting it dropped. or going bankrupt if they had coverage. so he said, i'm going to replace that with something else. he knew this disruption was going to happen that's why the apology is a little weird because he's apologizing for something that happened as result of policy he knew what was in place. the problem with the website what was supposed to happen is

you lose your coverage, but then you get all these wonderful option, is that you can look at on a website. you can learn that you're going to get something that might very well be better. that didn't happen. and so what's interesting going forward is they're going to be winners and losers in this law and the hope was there would be vastly more winners than losers. well, the president got the situation which losers are in the news now and so it's not just how he manages this, but how he manages the future disruption that are going to come about as result of this law. >> o'donnell: now you have democratic senator going to the white house who are in a lot of trouble, in fact there are 21 democratic seats that are up for re-election. democrats could lose majority in the senate. >> that's right. it's a mid term election, president's second term we know historically is always a bad time to be part of the president's party. but to john's point it's exact low right not just the individual market that's going to be disrupted. people who have employers are also go likely to feel something about this. premiums may get changed, maybe they lose their access to the

doctor they always liked. this isn't going to go away once health care.government gets fixed. to john's point doing the broader outline which is this is meant to disrupt the process because the process was broken. but in disrupting it, yes, you people who have health care right now you may find that your healthcare doesn't look the same. >> o'donnell: you were in the republican governors association we saw two big races, in virginia where democrats, terry mcauliffe. that was tighter than what people thought, did that help him? what did you learn? >> i'm not sure. i think there have been a lot of shooting of the muscots saying the narrowing of the campaign was directly correlated. i'm not sure the evidence bears that out. republicans parties should think carefully before we draw that conclusion. i think to the 21 races next year that is 5% in the individual market, we do know is impacted. we do know that the president

talking to them about what they would get. that is a voter slice of the electorate. we should learn of the campaigns much 2012 copy them. we should narrow comas on the 5% because in states like north carolina, iowa, louisiana these are states where senators voted for obama care where that 5% is very persuadable. 5 persalters -- matters a lot in the swing state elections. >> o'donnell: you cover these races do you think that's true? >> the environment in virginia very different and political environment that it is in lot of these red states, louisiana, alaska, arkansas. but i think what happened in the virginia governor's race is as much about the success of the mcauliffe campaign in creating turn out that looked a lot like obama 2012. if you look at the exit polls, the people that turned out this election in 2013 looked almost exactly like the people that turned out in 2012. if i'm republicans i'm going to be a little bit nervous because

it said, wow, democrats can actually turn out iniomi been ma model in off year let's be clear, terry mcauliffe of not a perfect candidate. if you can do it -- >> a lot of ways. frankly the republican candidate made series of strategic mistakes early. it was a ticket too far to the right for the center of the virginia electorate that should have been folk isnd on economy. good things that happened, the rnc went in early learned lesson about outreach, governor chris tee talked early about importance of showing up that is a fundamental lesson out of this election cycle for republicans. the republican party nationally invested in a lot of outreach, a plot of staff, they're spending a lot of money early in way that they haven't done before. that is really important that's lesson that we learned from the democrats from the last cycle, are going to pietate wait. >> a better candidate. >> the virginia governor's race that will be watched in the 2014, stephanie knows how the message this is her expertise,

health care was in the news everywhere. 27% in the exit poll said health care was number one voting issue. you might expect that because couch nelly brought that was it was in the news all the time. 20% said abortion was their number one issue. that was issue that was not on the front pages for any reason that terry mcauliffe was relentless in driving that. he won with women by a big margin and that is a play book similar to the one that was run in virginia by the obama campaign that's something that democrats can be happy about in -- >> yes. the campaign ran a great campaign. let's remember who they were running against. those messages only worked because they were true. cucinelli was outside of the mainstream on women making their own health care decisions, being the first attorney general to sue to overturn the affordable care act which did work against him with certain demographics. being a climate deny. not putting out a pro-active economic plan those things matter in an election.

i don't think you saw that at all from cucinlli all of the positions he took outside of the mainstream worked against him with the population that he had to turn out. >> a lot this was interesting side note both outside money on the left showed up for the first time in this election, that hadn't happened in a mainstream kind of way. as i mentioned the closeness of this race was not accurately reflected in public polling i'm not sure it was reflected in g.o.p. polling that's something that needs fob addressed because the central trust of cucineli should have revolved around the tax cut. >> o'donnell: i want to come back we'll talk more about governor chris christie's victory republican who won in the state of new jersey, very democratic state the future of the republican party. we'll be back. over the next 40 years the united states population is going to grow by over 90 million people, and almost all that growth is going to be in cities. what's the healthiest and best way for them to grow

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>> o'donnell: had a win this week and not only two-thirds of independents turned out he won 51% of hispanic voters. what does that tell us about governor chris tee's appeal? >> certainly is a very big win. the democrat in this race had very little support and very little money to get the kind of outside help from -- even from democrats. he did run very strong solid race. he didn't have a very strong opponent. that said, i think his profile looked very strong going in to 2016. i know there's a lot of talk about, well, that's great from 2016 as general election candidate but he's going to have trouble in the primaries, another northeastern governor we've already tried that it didn't work last time. the thing about chris christie when you look at his policies he's not rudy guiliani not mitt romney. he's much more conservative than they are. he can attract conservative electorate in a way, in a

premarry in way that rudy guiliani, mitt romney who had to run away from his record in massachusetts. >> o'donnell: do you think governor christie can attract conservatives in a primary? >> i think he can attract conservestive in a primary he proved it in his own state. he got 94% of self i'd tied. >> these are in new jersey. >> this is in new jersey, correct. >> o'donnell: but not in iowa or south carolina. >> if anyone looks at the chris christie performance tuesday doesn't think that it's absolute slam dunk as model for future of the republican party they need to have their head examined. the truth is i spent a lot of time in iowa and new hampshire. seen a lot of you along the way. but the reality is that governor christie has got a proven record now appealing to both the center and conservative part of the republican party. if he's got great opportunity in the context of leading the rga which currently is the largest political committee in american poll six, 40-plus million dollars, can raise another

hundred million. that's an important post that will help him focus on the -- haley barber rule, electing more governors next year. >> what's interesting about that role of the red of the association that the republican governors association before christie came to head it was making the christie case. don't pay so much attention to the conservatives in washington who are hurting our brand. pay attention to the conservatives who are in office getting thing done, running as conservatives. what is interesting about governor christie in your interview with him him you never heard the word conservative once from him. does that matter? well, not too much. but people who are running as conservatives never stopped saying it. and his model in his victory speech was interesting for what he was talking about. clearly a pitch to 2016. he said he can get the job done and he talked about effective government. he didn't talk about dismantling government until barely breathe so that people can have individual -- that's really interesting argue tomorrow see in line with the rga argument but not necessarily in line with the dismantle tea party

argument. >> o'donnell: how will democrats run against chris christie if he seeks the republican nomination? >> we have to remember that chris christie is not going to run in vacuum. he'll have primary opponents try to drag him to the right. we've seen this happen before. it struck me on the night that governor christie was giving his acceptance speech talking about reaching across the aisle we can get things done still stick to our principles. you had ted cruz saying we need more people who have courage to stand up and fight for our principles. so you really have two different republican parties here going in to the next cycle. and the most important thing for chris christie is that he shouldn't change his position, he shouldn't move to the right he should stay exactly who he is. because that is the thing that people like about him there is authenticity to him. >> o'donnell: we have to leave it there. stephanie and phil, thank you. john, amy. we'll be right back with our "face the nation" flashback.

>> o'donnell: the next presidential election may be three years away but speculation about possible candidates is already dominating the headlines. will they run or won't they? it's a guessing game journalists played for decades as far back

at 1958. when then senator john f. kennedy was grilled about his political intentions on this broadcast. and that's our "face the nation" flashback. >> "face the nation." >> when the presidential elections have talked about here in washington, that's most of the time the name of senator kennedy of massachusetts emerges as one of the white house possibles on the democratic side. >> kennedy appeared on "face the nation" on march 30th to talk about his senate re-election bid. the panel of reporter questioning him had another campaign in mind. >> senator i -- if i could get a direct answer to the question of whether or not you are interested in the presidency in 1960? >> i don't know whether you consider the answer directly, mr. laurence but i'm candidate for the united states senate i think that that is acquiring all my attention shy take care that have matter before i'd even consider doing anything else. >> kennedy would be re-elected later that year by a huge

margin. in february 1959 he returned to "face the nation" and to the same questions. >> senator, when are you going to drop this public pretense of noncandidacy and frankly admit that you are already seeking the democratic presidential nomination in 1960? >> well, mr. laurence, i think there's an appropriate time for anyone to make decision and final announcement as to whether he's going to be a candidate. the 1960 election is almost two years away. i would think that it would be an appropriate time in 1960 to make such an announcement when a final decision is made not today. >> kennedy didn't waste any time once 1960 arrived announced his campaign for president on january 2nd. and cbs news continued this coverage of the 50th anniversary of the kennedy assassination on saturday november 16th with prime time special hosted by bob schieffer. that will air 9:00 p.m. eastern next sunday bob will be in

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