>> schieffer: welcome back to "face the nation" page two. we will have a lot more on nelson mandela in just a moment. but there is some breaking news this morning on two fronts, afghanistan and iran. we want to go first to liz palmer who is just arrived in tehran. >> the first big milestone in the post geneva era of nuclear cooperation between iran and the west have been passed, bob. there is a highly controversial reactor outside of tehran which could in the end produce plutonium which could be used for a bomb. it's been off limits to the international agency inspectors, but today they were allowed access to the site. i should stress that this deal, this cooperative deal is not universally popular here in iran. the president gave a big speech at a university yesterday and he was heckled by hardliners who

really feel as if his reformist government has sold out. he was also heckled by students who want more reforms, political and economic and they want them faster. which really underlines how he is going to have to tread a very clever, diplomatic path from here on in. >> schieffer: all right. liz palmer, this story is going to go on all week, we know you'll keep us posted as it unfolds. thank you so much, liz. secretary defense chuck hague sell in afghanistan this morning but afghan president hamid karzai is noticeably absent. he is in iran and in a meeting with the iranian president rohani earlier today. he said iran opposes the presence of all foreign troops. karzai has refused to sign the agreement between afghanistan and the united states to protect american troops if a small group of them remain in the country to train afghan forces passed 2014.

cbs news state department is traveling with the secretary and he told her about a half hour ago that if karzai does not sign this agreement, we may have no alternative but to leave. >> 2,000 americans have died here, billions of dollars have been spent and yet the president of this country is putting off signing this agreement. that has to be incredibly frustrating. >> well, it is, except for this. the group which represented thousands of citizens and leaders in average met a couple of weeks aguilera you know overwhelming leap, over 90% of those people strongly supported a u.s. partnership past 2014 along with our partners. >> the president says he's not going to sign it until the spring even they they appbmh it.

>> i think the more he involves himself, president karzai and listens to his people, which leaders must do, i hope he'll come to the right decision on this. because we need that security agreement signed for our own planning, for our own purposes as well as our international partners. because if there's uncertainty, if the president of this country doesn't make a decision on this, then you're right. there will be some questions as to how and what we do from here. >> general dempsey said it is a possibility that full u.s. retreat from afghanistan because of the uncertainty around the standoff with security agreement. how real of a possibility is that? >> it's a very real possibility. because if we don't have a bilateral security agreement, which i have noted, that means we can't protect our forces that would be here after 2014.

no international partners will come, afghanistan essentially will be alone. but we have no other option, we can't plan for it, the president can't commit american forces or united states of america, no other country can. unless bee are protected with an agreement. >> with a zero option, no u.s. soldiers isn't that an american retreat? >> you can use any term you want, retreat or not renewing. our efforts here post 2014. you can say it any way you want. what i'm saying unless we have the security of an agreement to protect our forces, then we'll have no choice, we will not be able to stay. >> american people look at this, all the blood, all the -- hear things that hamid karzai says about adding new demands before he signs this security agreement, refusal to comply. he's not even here in the country while you the secretary of defense are in country.

why not, why can't americans look at that say, it's just not worth it. >> well, i think that is a legitimate question. that we should ask that question, is it worth it or not worth it. it needs to be asked and he is specially in a representative government, a democracy those questions must be asked. so, it is now up to president karzai to make a decision. >> did the u.s. miscalculate think he could be a partner? >> we were surprised. we didn't understand what he said going in, as you noted in support of the bsa as it was agreed to, when secretary kerry was over here with him a few weeks ago. and then to have him come back and try to reopen some of these issues, yes, it was disappointing. yes, it was surprising. but we're dealing with the

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rick also worked closely with nelson mandela on his biography wrote the book "mandela's way" i want to start with gale king, you came to know nelson mandela quite well. >> i actually did. i have to say that i am forever grateful to oprah for that. oprah and nelson mandela had deep affection for each other. and because he thought so highly of her he welcomed anybody that she introduced him to. my children and i were invited along with oprah to lunch at his house. he used to say, that you have breakfast alone, lunch with your friends and dinner with your enemies. because he believed in order to make peace you had to work with your enemies then your enemies become your partner. we had this fabulous lunch at a big table like this, that my son was sitting here, march mandela, could you please pass the peas, i don't know if i was 'prayed that he called him mr. mandel louisiana don't talk, just -- you know i will never forget his

grace. you want to sit in his presence with a pad and paper, everything he said was magical. >> schieffer: again talking how nice he was to your children. i've heard from people this week saying, he was so nice to the person that worked for me. he was so nice to the maid, he was so nice to somebody, not the big people. >> i know that he loved children. i remember specifically asking him what did you miss most in priss none he said, the sound and laughter of children. is what he missed more than anything. he couldn't wait until he got out to hear the sound and laughter of great. he had great affinity for kids. >> schieffer: how do you think he was able to maintain his core that he had? 27 years, we hear our politicians talking about, this is such a hard votive to take. i might get a primary opponent if i vote this way. i never heard nelson mandela express concern about possibly getting a primary opponent. >> you never heard him complain. that's why it is so interesting

to see the people in the street, black people and white people together on streets with people died actually. many times in south africa they sing and dance through pain. they sing and dance through sore row to see the blacks and whites together on the streets where people literally died for apartheid is -- it's because of nelson mandela. >> schieffer: rick, you worked with him so closely over a long period of time, with his passing finally came, how did you feel about that? >> you know, bob, as gale knows he hadn't really been himself for some years. i think some of us felt like we had said goodbye earlier. but the other thing about being close to mandela that you cannot ever possess him. everybody possesses him. in fact when i stopped working with him back when the book was almost done it was like the sun had gone out of my life. i was mourning for a couple of years. that's how lots of people felt. >> schieffer: lorraine, you

and i have known each other for so long, back when you worked for the speaker of the house and other speakers you were on the hill, you were there when the sanctions legislation came along, the house passed, congress passed a bill to put sanctions on south africa and then president reagan vetoed it. the congress overrode that, one of the few that was ever overwritten. >> it was huge. it was a time rarely do you see the rise up and really get engaged in something, given the protests, a lot of members were going to the south african em been see. naacp was involved with the south african em been see you saw a ground swell of protests, righteous indignation. >> schieffer: do you think that was because of nelson mandela himself or just because the issue people were beginning

to understand how long this was? >> i think a lot of it was nelson mandela himself. because of his commitment, you were talking to gale about what fortified, it was his own personal commitment i think that made him so unique, not just this country but in the world. how many people do you think could endure 27 years in prison come out with the kind of attitude that president mandela possessed? it was just unbelievable. >> schieffer: just to say he was in prison is not quite enough. i mean when you go back, we've all seen film this week of that prison, what it looked like and how confining it was and how he could see johannesburg when they let him look out the window, as it were. it's just amazing. michelle, you went to his inauguration, what was that like? >> it was unbelievable. i was working in television

then, producer had to keep whispering in my ear, stop moving. it was impossible to not -- you saw on display his moral compass. i think that's what motivated congress, motivated so many of us. hard to underestimate how much anger there was among black south africans and how much fear there was among white south africans. the fact that he had his former warden there at the inauguration, he was reaching out a hand and olive branch made -- it made such a difference in that country and really in the rest of the world. there's one thing i think is important nuance we need to understand, people say he wasn't bitter. people say people who were closest said, he he was bitter. that's 10,000 days, more than 10,000 days in prison. he didn't hear the voice of children. his marriage suffered. his friendships suffered.

but to understand his magnificence you need to understand that he was bitter and he did battle with his anger and he won. that's one of the most important lessons i think for all of us. >> schieffer: that is a very important point to make. gwen, you saw all of this, you all the american attitudes towards south africa, you saw them change, what do you think the attitudes are today? >> i think american attitudes are not necessarily in sync with what south africa is going through right now. nelson mandela was kind, he was visionary, he was bitter and managed to bite his tongue for decades. but he also was a very shrewd politician. and he did what he needed to do in order to take his country where it needed to go. if that meant that he had to be with castro, he would do that but he would go to sweden say what they needed to hear. he would come to the united states and with the u.s. civil rights movement then he brought it home. as a result now, south africa

which still has troubles, still has 30% unemployment, which this rainbow nation doesn't exactly exist the way we like to think it does, is now left in -- with the absence of him to look in the hire current and future leaders realizing nobody quite measures up. partly because the goals were different. the ideals are different. the challenges are different. the economy is still struggling. will never see the likes of nelson mandela again. maybe neither should we. perhaps he was a man of his time. the question i guess now especially for all the young people, they call them born free, born after he was no longer president. he was one term as president which was another smart thing. >> one of the few african leaders who stepped down willingly. very few people in that position say, know what, i'm done. i'll move on to something else. >> schieffer: one of the few leaders, i mean you look where

they sometimes have to take them out on a gurney know that their time is up. i just want to ask rick one thing. off what michelle was talking about. did he have an entourage? i mean so many of our politicians today have media coaches and speech writers and all that kind of business, what sort of help did he have? >> you know, bob, first started working for him he hadn't been out of prison very long he had almost nobody around him. many mornings do the interviews in the morning i'd come over to his house and he would answer the door. nobody was there, was early in the morning. we did some interviews in his bedroom and in fact i'll never forget that he was so precise, all those years in prison he had a big king size bed but he would only sleep on one side of it. in the morning one side was perfectly made the other side was slightly mussed then he would make the bed himself. he did not have a lot of people around him. in fact his learning curve when

he came out was kind of astonishing, because people say, yes, he was paying attention to the news while he was in prison. but there is so many things from women's rights, from television that he knew nothing about and he had to learn so fast and adapt so fast. it was astonishing to watch. >> schieffer: did he like his own -- did he write his own speeches? >> he didn't really -- i know this is a faux pas to say he wasn't the world's greatest speaker, i always used to say, throw out your notes and the text and speak from the heart. which of course he did sometimes. but remember when he came out, he was a loyal member of the anc as he said. part of his virtue as a politician was that he changed and bended. the anc said, national of the minds, he believed that, he changed his mind. but what he always believed and never forgot and it's a little bit unpopular to say he believed politics was way of changing people's lives for the better.

and he was proud to call himself a politics that is what he did. >> as politics you also understood dramatic flourish. there were moments, we saw that in 1990 when he did that eight-city tour. i think when he went to detroit he quoted marvin gay. in front of that audience, it was brilliant. mother, mother, too many of -- brother, brother, too many of you are dying, mother, mother, too many are crying. he understood the moment. >> schieffer: what did he say in new york? >> can i just tell a story. when we were doing christmas kindness in south africa go to remote villages. thousands of kids would be waiting for their soccer balls and jersey. a local politician went on for an hour about political theory. nelson mandela did twinkle, twinkle, little star and sat down. he knew the beauty of it. we were at his house, the crowd, not enough toys, crowd was

getting unruly they were breaking down the fence, his security said, no, you can't go. no, oprah, you can't go. he said, i'm going. i'm going out in to the crowd. oprah said, i'm going out in the crowd. i'm saying, i'm not going to be that guy. a frightening situation. he had such faith and such trust in humankind. >> schieffer: what did he mean to you? >> a man of humility. one time -- i met him twice. the first time was part of congressional delegation, he'd been released from prison about 23 days he took a big group down, he came in the room and he was just so humble. he reminded me of my grandfather. had uncanny resemblance. i told him that. i said, mr. mandela, i showed him a picture of my grandfather, he said, we're all brothers. my grandfather had passed away by then. it was just his constant humility. and i think one of the things

that i look at the nexus of the anc and naacp our struggle that was continuing in of -- going on in south africa there is a necks us that really made us as brothers and we had such an 'feign tee with him. affinity with him. he meant a lot to me. >> i think we would miss an opportunity if we treated everything that he accomplished, everything he was as something that we look back on. as the past. in fact he left homework for us to do. he left -- not only in south africa but also for us here. how do we relate. the things that we get upset about that we don't speak to people about. the fights we have, look what he forgave. look how he reconciled. the truth of the reconciliation in south africa still one of the most amazing things that's ever happened in the world. to face their accused and do something better. >> he created that possibility he left that work for us to do

here, lesson we should take from that as well. >> he focused on truth. we folk us a lot on reconciliation, part that have was looking back at difficult history and telling the truth about that history. we have a hard time doing that in this country. >> even today. i like dr. angelou's point that he taught us all about the power and importance of forgiveness. you look at your own day-to-day lives about things that you're nashing your teeth about. if he could do that, imagine how much better the world could be if we take that one little lesson the power an importance of forgiveness. >> i had a friend say he was trying to explain to his son why he shouldn't fight with his sister, if nelson mandela, perhaps you can. >> we still have so much to do. i was at the mall for the fasts for families, which is unbelievable with immigration. the same thing that we're going to have to do for voting rights. i just -- he referenced so much work, gave us a road map to do

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>> schieffer: well that's all the time we have for today. but we'll be back next week and as we go we want to leave you with more of maya angelou's tribute to nelson mandela. no sun outlasts its sunset but will rise again and bring the dawn yes, mandela's day is done yet we, his inheritors will open the gates wider for reconciliation and we will respond generously to the cries of blacks and whites asian, hispanics the poor who live piteously on the floor of our planet he has offered us understanding

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