>> schieffer: today on "face the nation" it's been a cold week, but politics turns things red hot. >> i am not a bully. >> schieffer: new jersey governor chris christie got all tangled up in a scandal of what caused the traffic jam. and former defense secretary robert gates was telling tales about his old boss, the president. we'll get the take of florida senator marco rubio and key democrat elijah couplings. the white house had little to say about gate's new book. but privately aides were stunned at the former defense chief's harsh treatment of the high command. does gates have any regrets about the book? >> no, i don't. i think that it's an honest account. >> schieffer: we'll talk to the new jersey legislator heading up the investigation in

to bridgegate. "face the nation" flashback, captain sully sullenburger joins us of the hudson river. this is face the nation. captioning sponsored by cbs >> schieffer: good morning again, florida republican senator marco rubio joins us from miami and senator, i want to just start with the story that's been getting so much attention over these past few days. that is this net that new jersey governor chris christie finds himself in. what is your reaction to this? do you think he still a viable candidate if he decides he does want to seek the republican presidential nomination? >> first of all, good morning, thank you for having me on. happy new year to you and those that are watching. it would be a miss for me or

others to comment. we don't know all the facts this is story that is still developing and we should reserve judgment. beyond that i'm i don't know that much about it what i have seen reported in the press. i really don't have much to add other than that. i wouldn't delve in to the political speculation as well. that would be a mistake. >> schieffer: do you -- have you decided one way or the other whether you're going to explore running for president? >> interestingly enough in 2016 i'm up for re-election if i want to choose to stay in the senate i'll have to make a decision around this time next year if i'm interested in running for another office or re-election or becoming a private citizen. >> schieffer: senator, as you well know this month marks the 50th anniversary of lyndon johnson declaring war on poverty. you made a big speech where you led off proceed poe alls on alleviating poverty. first, i just want to ask you this. coming off an election where the

republican candidate lost and polls suggest many people say one of the reasons he did not do well is because he kind of wrote off lower income people, seeing -- seeming indifferent to them, in light of that, why was it good politics to go to the lyndon johnson room in the u.s. cop toll and say that lyndon johnson's programs had been a failure, his programs to alleviate poverty. >> first of all let me say that i understand there was going to be a political analysis done of this issue, but for me i've been talking about this now better part of decade going back to my service in the florida legislature. the reason is i myself generation removed from poverty and despair, my parents had the opportunity to come to a place where people like them had the opportunity to improve their lives. i think that is still true for the majority of americans, but i think it would be wrong not to recognize that there are significant number of americans that do not have equality of

opportunity. that is not a political issue, that is something that threatens what makes us exceptional and different from the rest of the world. we need to address that. need to address the fact that we have 40-some odd million people who feel trapped in poverty and don't have equal opportunity to get ahead. i think it goes to the heart of it means to be america, the war on poverty is concerned the programs have utility they do help alleviate the consequences of poverty but they don't help people to emerge from that poverty that's why i foal like the war on poverty has failed because it's incomplete. i think we have to take the next step help people trapped with inequality of opportunity to have the opportunity to build for themselves a better life. that's what i hope we'll be able to arc. >> schieffer: you are not saying that program that head start were a failure because i took that from your speech that that is what you were saying, is that what you meant? >> actually i think programs like head start are geared in

the right direction of the sense they're trying to get children educational opportunities as young as possible. i think those programs can be completed and improved is that we create flexibility at the local level. i'm not saying we should dismantle the efforts, i'm saying that these efforts need to be reformed and i believe the best way to reform them is to turn the money and the influence over to the state and local level where i think you'll find the kinds of innovation that allow us to confront an issue that is complex, quite frankly diverse. for example, rural poverty looks different than urban. >> schieffer: this is one of the major proposals that you outlined turn these programs over to the state. i tell you the question i had, when i heard you say that, is i know some of these states when they had the opportunity opted out of federal programs like medicaid especially some where there were conservatives like yourself running local governments, what if the states opt out of these programs then

what happens to these children and these people in poverty? >> here is the distinguishing factor under obamacare you turn medicare over to the states, money will be available up front for the expansion for few years then money will go away but you get stuck with the unfunded liability. i'm not saying we should do that. i'm actually say that take existing federal funding that we use for some of these programs and we're still working through which ones those should be, collapse them in to one central federal agency that would then transfer that money to fund innovative state programs to address the same issues. but it would be funded, it wouldn't be something where states are told you get the money for a few years then we'll back away, it should be revenue neutral. >> schieffer: senator, do you think there is any way that congress or even the senate is going to come together and find a way to extend these unemployment benefits, i know you're going to vote on it next week, what do you think the outlook is? >> i do think there is outcome we can arrive at. there is general consensus that they need to be techs ex end tended but fade for maybe not as

part of this effort right away, but in the long term we need to figure out way to reform those programs so that we get more people back to work. >> schieffer: let me ask you about another big story. bob gates, the former secretary of defense had a book out this week, a lot of people were surprised he had some pretty harsh things to say about joe biden saying he was wrong on boast everything. a lot of people have been around here for awhile like i have, were a little surprised to see not so much what he said but the fact that gates who is always been the ideal -- the person of ultimate discretion, what did you think about him making these disclosures? >> i have two thoughts. the first is my preference would be that people would refrain from writing these sorts of things until the president is out of office. it undermines ability to conduct foreign policy. i don't think we can ignore what is in that book i think for many confirms our worst fears that is that this is an administration full of people that either have

the wrong convictions or in the case of former secretary clinton lack the courage of her convictions. you see that for example motivations in averages was primarily political. and the idea that the president had that this is not his war you saw that reflected in the decision that he made at the same time that he announced the surge he also real estate nounsed exit date and strategy. there by the taliban to believe they can wait us out. the result is now of tend, oural lies see us as you can reliable. i think this is confirms our worst fears that this is an administration that lacks strategic foreign policy in fact largely driven by politics. >> schieffer: what happens now in iraq? it look like it may fall back in the hands. rebels has this war going to turn out to be a tragic waste? >> first of all we need to understand that much of what has happened in iraq has been the result of poor leadership within iraq. contributing to that is the fact that u.s. does not have long term status in iraq and as a

result air space used by eye rainians and others, ultimately whether it's afghanistan or iraq future of those countries is in the hands of their own people. the u.s. can't rescue them from themselves. and it poses a real challenge because if you start adding it up now, you have ungoverned states in iraq, uncover earned states in syria and in ales and innerve radio this is ultimate fertile territory for al qaeda and others to set up training camps and our interests around the world. >> schieffer: let me just ask you what show we do now? anything we can do now? >> i think that ideal provided assistance to iraqi government in terms of training and equipment to allow them to deal with the challenges. i would not underestimate the impact that these rebels al qaeda-linked forces in syria are having cross border in iraq that will be a growing factor.

some asked me if i would support another invasion of iraq, of course not, i don't think that's a solution at this point. i think we'll be dealing with this for some time ultimately only problem through iraqi government to be able to solve it, they need military and security resources in the short term but in the long term they need a stable political processors this is going to be ongoing problem. >> schieffer: senator, we want to thank you for sharing all this with us today when you do make that decision about whether you're going to run for republican -- >> i'm sure you'll hear about it. >> schieffer: i hope you'll come here and temp us about us. >> thanks for having me. >> schieffer: not the only one questioned former secretary gates' decision to speak out his book hit washington like a bombshell. rita braver of "sunday morning" asked him last thursday if he had any regret about what he had written. you will notice that he's wearing a neck brace, he is recovering from a fractured vertebra. >> i think you have to look at the entirety of the book.

and the fact that it deals with getting in to wars, getting out of wars and frankly seemed to me with the experience of -- and perspective of working for eight presidents and having been secretary for four and a half years, i didn't think the waiting until 2017 to weigh in on these issues and in a comprehensive and thoughtful way made any sense. >> i think what people are troubled by is that you criticized president obama on actions particularly on his commitment to the war in afghanistan. while it's still going on. people are saying, look, that's just not right. >> i make very explicit in the book that i agreed with all of the president's decisions on afghanistan and ones that he made in 2009 and subsequently.

my one concern was that over the course of 2010 and early 2011 president began to have his own reservations about whether it would all work. i think that is not an unfair thing to say. >> in your book you say that one of your favorite adages is, never miss a good chance to shut up. i wonder if you think maybe you violated your own advice here. do you regret anything that you've written? >> no, i don't. i think that it's an honest account of -- people gave me a lot of credit when i was in office of being blunt and candid about what i felt about things. i could hardly be any less in writing a book. >> schieffer: joining us now, maryland democratic congressman, i want to talk to you about poverty some of the other things

marco rubio talked about but get your thoughts first on secretary dates, do you think he was out of line? >> first of all, good to be with you, bob. i think that -- i have a lot of respect for secretary gates he served presidents of both parties done outstanding job. and i agree with him when he said that president obama exercised great bravery with regard to bringing osama bin laden to justice. my one quibble when we've got troops in harm's way, it does concern me that these comments are made. but overall i think -- at the same time, he comments about the president being concerned about having second thoughts about putting troops in harm's way. i know the president. i know he cares about the troops that's basically why secretary said so i'm glad he did that.

and i cannot say that with the situation always with president bush. i feel comfortable. i just wish he could have waited a little longer. >> schieffer: let's talk about this other big story that's getting so much attention now, that is this situation that chris christie finds himself in in new jersey. you are on the house transportation committee. as well as government oversight committee. do you think this debacle up there is worthy of a federal investigation, congressional investigation? >> being on that committee and doing a lot of investigation i've always been reluctant to get ahead of a situation. in other words, i think what we need to do see what comes out of -- we've got at least two investigations going on right now. we've got the new jersey legislature then you've got the u.s. attorney's office which is very serious matter. keep in mind what they're doing, bob. they are basically investigating

a former federal prosecutor which is serious. i think we need to see what comes out. i got to tell you, though, when i look at christie's style, i don't know him, it's hard to believe that he was blindsided by anything. because he doesn't come off that way. again, we need to wait and see, there may be a point where we have to look in to it. but nobody is above the law. and so we'll look in to it if it comes to us. >> schieffer: talk to me a little about marco rubio's proposals on poverty, basically what he is saying is just turn mows of these programs over to the states. he also talks about doing away with the earned income tax credit and replacing it with just federal subsidy to people who are in low wage brackets. >> i listened to it, i got to tell you i was surprised in a way. on the one hand the poverty

programs have taken a lot of people out of poverty. i was pleased to hearsay alleviate poverty for many folks. research shows that the poovery rate would probably be doubled if these programs like medicare had not been put in place. keep in mind, medicare, 50 years ago, 50% of our people didn't -- didn't have health insurance. and now they do. same thing with social security. were begging almost for food, now one out of seven is in poverty. that's a big difference between 50%. so i think that's -- those programs are important. his proposal bothers me if you're going to take these programs, going to say that about medicare put it in a basket in the states, you see what the states have done. we've got 800,000 people, bob, who could have been placed in

medicaid under affordable care act could be being treated right now. there are people watching the show right now that could be being treated for colon cancer or serious diseases that are not and. >> schieffer: let me ask you, big vote is coming up in the senate this week, if the house takes it up we'll find out, do you see any way that congress is going to come together on extending these unemployment -- >> bob, i'm hoping so. so many people who are depending on that. one that extending those benefits will cover 1.3 million people plus another two million for 2014. i'm hoping that they will. >> schieffer: what about increasing the minimum wage? >> we've got to do it. again, i'm hoping that rubio will lead people -- dash he said we need to do more. need to help people survive and help them -- that one move from 7.25 now to 10.10 will bring five million people out of poverty. it can make a major step there

maybe even go to the library and make that announcement. >> schieffer: we want to thank you for being with us. we'll be back in one minute with the head of the state investigation in the fort lee, new jersey, traffic debacle. you stand behind what you say. around here you don't make excuses. you make commitments. and when you can't live up to them, you own up, and make it right. some people think the kind of accountability that thrives on so many streets in this country has gone missing in the places where it's needed most. but i know you'll still find it when you know where to look. over the pizza place on chestnut street the modest first floor bedroom in tallinn, estonia and the southbound bus barreling down i-95. ♪ this magic moment it is the story of where every great idea begins. and of those who believed they had the power to do more.

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problems that were created in fort lee, but also talking about how to send it to the press. i don't think so it's possible for all of those people to be involved and know and for governor to absolutely have no communication. remember, this is in the midst of his re-election campaign. any governor running for re-election is going to want to know about problems that come up. if for no other reason to know how to respond. these people got an e-mail from the executive director of the port authority saying that laws were broken. his chief counsel knew, his deputy chief of staff knew. it's just strange credibility that they didn't look at those documents and say, we ought to let him know about it. >> schieffer: at this point, though, you're very early in your investigation, you don't have any proof that he did know. but from what you're saying if it proves that he did know then what. has a crime been committed here? >> whether he knew or not isn't the issue of the crime.

clearly in my opinion when you use the george washington bridge for what the e-mail showed to be a political payback, that amounts to using public property for a private purpose or political purpose that's not legal. so that constitutes a crime. whether or not he was knowledgeable about it, whether he authorized it, whether he was involved in trying to spin it or cover it up we don't have any direct communication, e-mails, documents, that directly go to him. >> schieffer: if it turns out that this is, as you define it a crime, could he be impeached or what would be the penalty? >> well, i think we're a little early on that, bob. i think you pointed out at the beginning at the early stages of this. clearly if it becomes known that the governor was involved and he knew about it and he knew about the cover up and he was approving the actions taken by his senior staff that raises serious questions that the

assembly ought to look at and that ought to be considered in light of what our responsibility is. the assembly has ability to do articles of impeachment. we're way ahead of that. we know that there are senior staffers in the governor's office, bridgette kelly sent the e-mail to deputy chief of staff to close the lanes down. she spent the rest of the day with the governor at the fire scene at the seaside boardwalk. so again, this senior aide who is with him that day never once communicated with him. is unbelievable. >> schieffer: all right. mr. assemblyman, thank you for being with us we'll be checking back with you to see what you found out. >> thank you. >> schieffer: back with personal thoughts in just a minute. ♪ [ male announcer ] if we could see energy...

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>> schieffer: some of the worst news from the week was from iraq. cbs news correspondent elizabeth palmer joins us now from baghdad. liz. >> good morning, bob. there have been two bombings already today in baghdad, one in a public market and the other at a bus station. in the latter case army recruits seemed to have been the target. that's the second time this week that a group of army recruits have been targeted by bombers. the bombs were probably the work of a group that when the u.s. was here was known as al qaeda in iraq. sings it's changed its name and grown in influence. up in anbar province about 50 miles west of here a target -- we do know there have been sporadic bouts of fighting for the last ten days.

so far the iraqi military hasn't moved in, there's been no big offensive just smaller units facing off against these armed extremists. hasn't ordered a big assault because he knows very well that the people of the area armed tribes men, really don't like his shia led government. if the army were to move in there's every chance that the local people would pick up arms and fight them off. so at the moment, iraq has two serious security problems. one is armed extremists who the government doesn't seem to be able to stop. and the second one of course is just a background of poisonous sectarian politics. >> schieffer: all right. thank you so much, liz, be careful. at least 13 people now at last count have been killed in those bombings just today in iraq. joining us now to talk about that and all the other news, the assistant managing editor of "time" magazine and scored

exclusive with the knifed chair janet yellen for this week's issue. michael who was the speech writer for george w. bush now a columnist ha. washington bureau chief of the wall street journal and joined by our old friend the chief of politico. this iraq news just gets worse by the day s. this about to -- >> it's worse than that it's regional problem. what you're seeing is the sectarian strike of the syrian civil war now across the borders back in to iraq where it was under control at one point and across the border to lebanon. you have shiite civil wars breaking out in many different ways and different levels. for the u.s. obviously conundrum, what do you do. we spent more than a decade in this country, fallujah, that we liberated twice and fallen to al qaeda. what do you do about that. there is the notice which retired general proposes that

the u.s. provide air support to the iraqi government to help turn this tide back around the other way. i don't think there's a lot of appetite for that, when you ask senator union yes about it he said, fairly quickly, we're not going back in to iraq. >> schieffer: i don't imagine, can you, michael, that we would provide military support? >> not directly. but there are things that you can do to support the region whether it's afghanistan, syria or iraq. i thought that was the most effective part of senator rubio's critique. in the gates' back we see how the real world results of ambivalent american policy. 100,000 people dead in syria. six million people homeless. al qaeda safe havens all across the region. we have seen in the also decade risks to engagement, but also seeing risks to disengagement. given policy of the middle east, the republicans are increasingly

hold the president accountable. >> i do want to talk about this, the big story of the week about one that is getting so much attention that is chris christie. but since you brought up the gates' back and his criticism, john, what do you make of this? i have said a lot of what secretary gates says in his -- i frankly agree with but i was really surprised that he said it. >> well, there is a classic tension in washington and everywhere else between truth and loyalty. two conflicting values. obviously bob gates made decision to proceed on the -- >> schieffer: but it was -- i completely agree that it was a spry. he's a consummate establishment figure, but quietly. every president has to make judgments as he look at or some day her team. which side are these people are. there are two sides, there are

loyalists to the end then there are people who are loyal to the washington establishment. loyal to bob woodward getting their story out there. the bob barnett going to get the book. or bob schieffer want to be on a show like this. it's not on the side of the loyalists but on the side of frankly bob gates. i'm not criticizing what he did, but it did seem to me a move to advance his profile at the expense of the loyalty and sanctity of the policy process which he served. >> schieffer: really does underline both that in washington, the president, i don't care who he is or what the ground rules are, there is nothing that in the end is off the record. people talk to the president in confidence then suddenly it shows up in a book. >> absolutely. no such thing as off the record, all journalists know that. >> the other thing lost in the gates' book that he was hard on

president obama in some ways, he was harder on other people. on vice president biden obviously, very hard on congress, almost top to bottom, hard on the white house staff. the president almost gets a pass from bob gates on some of these things because in the end bob gates says i agreed with the decisions that the president ultimately made in afghanistan. he i think was most upset because he perceived administration as lacking faith in the uniformed military. naturally what i think when george said in the clinton years, the late historian what he thought very similar he said, look, i'm all in favor of this, let the debate begin. don't wait until administrations or over or people are dead. let's have the debate. compelling on both sides. we're going to learn about more because of this. >> schieffer: you were there for a lot of this. you were not there when gates was there working for barack obama but working, michael, for

george bush. were you surprised by this? >> i was. i think this is man who has completely lost patience with politics, politicians and washington that was a lot of the context of this book. he was not a good picture in congress, not a good picture of centralized national security structure. that i think is the context here. but i thought it was pretty damaging profile because gates doesn't disagree with obama on the substance of many of these decisions. he's not making an idealist argument or realist, or critique, he's saying that the president's leadership was flawed. he was conducting mixs he didn't believe in. he had a staff that was insular not very effective. i think that's a pretty effective critique, i don't think he has ideological axe to grind he's making critique of the president's leadership. >> schieffer: you had a big scoop this week, you got interview with janet yellen,

what should we expect? >> she's optimistic. perhaps most important thing she said in terms of the economy during the interview was she and aerified governors are hopeful that growth, gdp growth will be more like 3% rather than two. that would be a big shift. that gets us balk to the historical range. the question is, that the fed is now going to have to do tricky maneuvering, they have been pumping a lot of money in to the economy, $75 billion a month. have to pull that back. she's got her work out cut for her. i think that she and other fed governors would agree that in a politicized washington they are sort of left holding the bag. biggest institution that can act to make changes. >> schieffer: what is she like? >> she is -- she's a real troop seeker, she's an academic, married to nobel prize winning economist as well. her son is an economist, a lot of very heavy dinner table

conversations, she took the lessons of the great compression as did her predecessor. her father was a family doctor in brooklyn a working class neighborhood and she saw him taking in laborers pay $2 or not she really understands the human impact of unemployment, that's something she kept come back to during our conversation. she is going to be really making sure that those employment numbers start to go down, that is her primary focus. i think she's also going to be tougher in terms of bank reform. >> schieffer: okay. let's talk about it. a bridge too far. chris christie. where does this go? >> i don't know. where it goes exactly but my own theory why scandals are bad that they violate one of two principles. the first is if there's a whiff of hypocrisy if they seem to confirm preexisting perception.

this does both. he's a little bit of a bully. and this confirms that to voters that's a problem. second problem is on the hypocrisy front he had portrayed new jersey as kind of a model of bipartisan cooperation. that didn't seem to be the case when it came to the bridge. those are two things that give it legs. >> schieffer: one thing about it that was very chris christie-like that was he just came at it head on. we'll see where it goes. >> maybe this doesn't have the long term resonance, i think it is the dumb and dumber aspect of it. the most entertaining political scandal with no sex angle that i can remember. you've got -- it's vastly entertaining. the other thing i would note comment in the "washington post" by kathleen parker, i picked up the same thing. a lot of conservatives who chris christie needs to court because he's seen as a more moderate republican they don't seem as

bothered. in my e-mail, my conversations as well they think there's hypocrisy on the part of the media this is a lesser scandal than the i.r.s. investigations. when the media goes in to full frenzy mode actually republicans and conservatives rally around the target. >> in an odd way this is not bad timing for christie. president almost candidates have scandals, dui, or bimbo eruptions or other things this is well before the election. he's got time. i would not minimize the fact that this is his closest team, if his team lad been transposed to the white house it would have had nixonian implications, putting these people in part of the department of justice or i.r.s. could have been a serious mistake. christie now has to prove that he can make adjustments in his inner circle, make that worthy of presidential run. >> i agree with that. i think you can't minimize that. as people dig in to this, if it

turns out there is a pattern if there are other incidents of pulleying, discussion about rutgers professor who didn't support certain policies who lost funding, there turns tout ab a pattern this will stick. >> schieffer: won't his main problem be when he goes to places like south carolina convincing them he's a conservative. in the end won't that be what will be the deciding point as to whether gets the nomination or not? >> i think so. he's not got the profile that necessarily fits the republican party of today in terms of primary politics, when the base turns out they're not necessarily looking for a guy like chris christie. stylistically or in terms of his substance. his hope that he he could replace ideological purity which he won't have with character. toughness and perjurious take taught that that would stats file in terms of the more conservative voters. >> schieffer: let's talk about marco rubio who is

somebody, you heard him say he's going to make a decision next year as to whether he's going to do it or not. obviously he is already checking around and seeing how the ground is there, looking for that ground swell, i think if florida can see a swell. people are talking about it. >> he had a bad year in the sense in 201 because he made a big push on immigration, the party pushed back pretty hard. but in a way he's now moved to new issues, poverty is an interesting one, lots of people in the party want to talk about the debate between democrats who want to talk 'bow income equality. the issue is upward mobility, why isn't there upward mobility in society. he's got that in front of that issue, got plenty of time to become the presidential contender that a lot of people thought he would be. >> you know what, if he wants to really use this idea of opportunities of society as platform point republicans have to sharpen those arguments, because the truth is that mobility in america has been

decreasing and particularly relative to europe but one of the reasons for that. number of the nations have more government support around like education, health care, one of the top regions in fact third of american cycling in and out of poverty. this is a very thew answer topic you need to see well hung policies. >> schieffer: the senate votes tomorrow on whether to extend unemployment benefits, does anybody have prediction on where that is going? is that going to happen? >> i hope it's going to happen. because we're still in the weakest recovery of the post war period. there are historically high number of people that have been out of the job for a long period of time. and that has not just an economic impact, but a social impact. the research shows that when people are out of a job, when the bread winner can't work, children suffer, their test scores go down, divorce rates are higher, this is a real social problem and i think that just saying that, everyone can

move up the ladder is not fixing it. >> schieffer: when you put this on -- this money, lot of these unemployment benefits do go back in to the economy. >> that's right. absolutely. this is an economy made of 70% consumer spending. >> schieffer: minimum wage. do any of you think that we'll see the minimum wage increase this year? >> i don't. >> schieffer: you don't? >> it's hard to see bipartisan agreement on that. >> i think we might because i think republicans might make decisions just not worth fighting about. they have to be something similar in the past when this came up. they might say this is not the place to wage an ideological battle even one that most conservatives do agree with it's not job producing. it's job depressing. >> i think on this broader issue you're correct but both sides have to make concessions here because you're not going to achieve social mobility just with income transfer just by expanding programs. aren't going to achieve by just economic growth and focusing on

the family. you have to address the influence of technology and globalization and also family issues and conservative issues do it in comprehensive way. i'm glad republicans have started talking about this. not just rubio it's cantor and mike lee from utah. policies are a little thin at this point. the question is whether they can rise to that and going to need to to have national appeal in 2016. >> janet yellen is thinking a lot about globalization and technology and job impact. >> schieffer: thank you all very much. when we come back we'll talk to sully sullen you goer. [ male announcer ] this is the story of the dusty basement at 1406 35th street the old dining table at 25th and hoffman. ...and the little room above the strip mall off roble avenue. ♪ this magic moment it is the story of where every great idea begins. and of those who believed they had the power to do more.

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when an airline captain right out of central casting named sully sullenberger performed what came to be known as miracle on hudson river. that is our "face the nation" flashback. on january 15th, 2009, u.s. airways flight 1549 took off from la guardia airport. the jetliner was barely off the runway when disaster struck. >> this is 1539 hit birds. >> schieffer: even before that message was finished chesley "sully u.i" sullenberger. he told air traffic control that option two, teeterboro airport

wouldn't work either. >> schieffer: as new yorkers down below watched in disbelief captain sullenberger steered the plane over the george washington bridge and put the airbus down in the icy waters of the hudson river. all 155 passengers and crew members survived with only one serious injury reported. sullenberger later recalled that just after the plane splashed down he turned to his cowilt said "well, that wasn't as bad as i thought" and sully sullenberger, thank you, california. >> especially fellow texan good to be here. >> schieffer: absolutely. i want to ask you this question. i've always wondered. if you had to do this again, if

you were presented with this very same problem, you think you could pull it off again? >> of course i now i know what is possible. that day that was unanticipated we had to very quickly come up with a solution. but i'm convinced that we can probably do something similar. >> schieffer: how do you remain so calm? you are out of central casting as an airline captain. you have that calm voice, how is it just training? >> besides the white hair, it wasn't calm that day. instead it was discipline, intense focus, having the ability to do our job well in sudden life threatening stress. >> schieffer: did you think you would be successful? >> i was confident that i could find a way to solve the. at the very beginning i wasn't exactly sure what steps, but i had good overall view of what needed to be done. >> schieffer: these new planes, they are relying more

and more on technology using the satellites all that stuff, we know about thening out in san francisco. are pilots relying too much on the technology now? >> this is one of the many new challenges we face. the unintended consequences of increasing complexity in our technology and airplanes, we have to have pilots who still have the well learned fundamental flying skills give them opportunities to have manual flying practice that they can remain sharp have the deep understanding of the technology that they can know what it should be doing and what is not. and when to intervene. >> schieffer: you won personal victory when the faa decided that the pilots need more rest. >> i've been working hard to be advocate for the traveling public. to keep aviation not only as safe as it is but getting safer. in that very beginning i testified before the house just a month after our flight,

continuous, most most recently department of transportation secretary anthony fox i met with faa administrator and met with national transportation board and talked about the great challenges we face and what we must do in the future to keep airline flying safe. >> schieffer: is that the main problem for pilots making sure they're rested? >> one of the great problems much after many decades we finally have an improved fatigue rule. we also are just now implementing pilot training rules, pilot experience rules, many rules that are coming in to fruition. but we have to do more. we can't define safety solely as the absence of accidents we have to look pro-actively at risks and mitigate them. >> schieffer: how serious is this threat of birds hitting these planes? >> what happened to us unfortunately could happen again tomorrow. it's a very rare event to have large birds disable both engines on two-engine airplane it could happen. there are a lot of people work on ways to prevent that

including high frequency radar that could warn air traffic controllers. >> schieffer: what is the number one problem now that pilots face in aviation? >> i think number one problem is how to manage automation and how to remain current at their flying skills. we need enough practice to be sharp. >> schieffer: captain, we thank you very much. again, than you for what you did that day. up there in new york. five years ago. seems like just yesterday. >> good to be with you, bob. >> schieffer: we'll be back.

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