from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: today on "face the nation" will americans be safe at the sochi olympics. what is the tea party's plan now as new year begins in washington. as washington prepares for the annual state of the union address, we'll talk to the man who led the government shut down last fall. texas republican ted cruz, what is his next move? key senate democrat chuck schumer responds. with a sochi winter olympics near how homeland security michael mccoal just back from russia will have the latest on security preparations. and we'll talk with two openly gay members of the u.s. olympic delegation, tennis great billy jean king and 1988 gold medalist

brian boitana what could they expect. plus analysis on all of this from peg knee noonan of the wall street journal, legendary "washington post" reporter bob woodward, conservative william chris tall of the weekly standard and former white house chief of staff now cbs contributor william daly. 60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs >> schieffer: good morning again as you probably know by now there has been another mall shooting yesterday, a 19-year-old police have now identified as darion marcus aguilar of college park, maryland, took a shotgun and two homemade explosive devices in to a suburban mall in maryland, shot and killed two people then apparently turned the gun on himself. plus there is a new threat

against the sochi olympics that is surfaced this morning from the same group that claimed responsibility for the bombings in volgograd, rusha those killed at least 34 people. for latest on both of these stories going to the chairman of the house homeland security committee michael mccall he is just back from sochi. and i want to get to your trip but if you know anything more about the shooting at the columbia mall yesterday. we're told that police call it an isolated incident. i take that to mean this was not a terrorist thing. >> that's correct. this is not a terrorist threat at all. probably more domestic squabble. it does highlight the vulnerability of shopping malls two, shootings, targets like we saw in the -- that's scenario we do not want to see happen in the united states.

>> schieffer: what do we do? more security at the malls? what do you do to combat that? >> you can't have security lockdown at our malls things like canines, heavier canine presence, very good at detecting explosives. i know this individual had a backpack of explosives. but the fact is, bob, it's very difficult to stop a lone gunman who may have mental issues that wants to kill people. he can only do so much to stop that. >> schieffer: well, let's turn to sochi. i know you're just back, when you were there you said you wanted to come back and get more intelligence before you decided whether you would recommend that your own family go to sochi for the games. where does that stand right now in light of now another terrorist threat to the games. >> that's a difficult question to answer. i would say we should not scare people from attending the olympics. it's a time-honored tradition f.

we do not support our team and show up i think the terrorists are winning that's what they're trying to do here. having said that i say the security threat to the olympics this particular olympics are greatest i think i've ever seen. because of the proximity of the terrorists to the olympic village and just recently, bob, most significantly now we have leader of al qaeda from pakistan, afghanistan, now calling for global jihad against these olympics. as homeland security chairman that is very disturbing to me in terms of the security at the olympics. >> schieffer: let's talk about that a little. is this something, should we just cancel this whole thing, should we not put our athletes in harm's way? when he's talking about a worldwide jihad that sounds pretty serious stuff here. >> it's concerning, it's a little spooky combined with the

so-called black widows are seeking revenge for their husbands' death and one of these penetrated the ring of steel, if you will, i don't think it's time to be alarmist and cancel. if this thing gets worse maybe we would consider that. but remember this ring of steel has about 100,000 security officials, i saw them down there, the special forces, military, this is quite a fortified event. putin is putting everything he has from security standpoint down almost we have also had added our diplomatic security corps, fbi to help with the security. the perimeter is secure, the olympic village. i think the real threat lies outside this ring of steel where soft targets can be hit quite easily. probably go fog see more of those, like you just saw with

that train bombing you had on the program earlier by a suicide bomber. and they're calling for more of these attacks just as of yesterday. i think you'll see more of these attacks but outside the perimeter. >> schieffer: do you think we are getting the kind of cooperation that we need from putin himself? for awhile there he wasn't talking outside agencies and to us he said, we'll handle all this. is that situation changed at all? >> sense up get over there in russia is sense of nationistic pride. they do not want the united states to tell them how to secure their olympic games. we have delegate, i would say area of cooperation that could be most effective that is not happening is the intelligence sharing. also military sharing with respect to these ieds, being the weapon of choice for these

terrorists. we have these jamming devices that could stop ieds from going off. we've offered that to the russians so far they have not accepted that offer. i would implore them to work with us on that. >> schieffer: all right. just tell us where we are right now, where does this stand? how dangerous is this, what has to happen here, what needs to be done? >> i think what brings this home, bob, i remember appearing on this show talking about the boston bombers trying to explain why this area is so important. this is a chechen rebels, this s the dagistan area, war with russia with 150 years now spun off in to a radical islamic movement. again, the concern -- my job is to look at threat assessments and protect americans. we are sending 15,000 americans at these olympics, this latest development with the leader of

alexi da there's no connection between pakistan, afghanistan and chechen rebels before although some would argue there's been support. for the first time coming out endorsing, blessing, calling for this global jihad against the olympics, wow, that gives me great pause. >> schieffer: all right. very disturbing news this morning but thank you, mr. chairman. hope you'll keep us informed. we want to turn now to the president's state of the union speech on tuesday and we're going to houston and the tea party republican ted cruz who led the shut down of the government last fall because the president wouldn't agree to shut down obamacare. senator, thank you are for coming. you have already released a list of issues you want the president to address in his state of the union speech. including you want a new investigation in to the bin good e controversy and i.r.s. you want him to admit that economic program failed that, it was mistake to pass obamacare on

partyline vote. senator, that sounds like you want a confession not a speech. >> what i put out are the questions that i'm hearing from texans all over the state. i spent a lot of time traveling the state of texas listening to texans and the questions they raise over and over again they say, why are jobs and economic growth so dismal? we've got the lowest labor force participation in over three decades, since 1978. if president obama wants to give an honest, candid state of the union address this week he'll address the fact that his economic policies are not working and that they're exacerbating income and equality. they're hurting the people that are struggling the most. each of the questions i put up are questions that the people are asking. i think the odds that the president will answer them are not high but it's what he should if he was listening to the concerns that people are raising. >> schieffer: well of course what he would say is that he is creating more jobs, that

unemployment is going down and on and on. but we'll leave that for the democrats to talk about. let me ask you this, you became a celebrity when you led the drive to shut down the government over obamacare. but afterward your fellow republicans said you led them over a cliff. can you conceive of any situation in which you would do that again, try to shut down the government in exchange or in demand for some action by the president? >> well, bob, with all due respect i don't agree with the premise of your question. throughout the government shut down i opposed it. i said we shouldn't shut the government down, i think it was a mistake that president obama and democrats shut the government down this fall. the reason they did so, is that president obama dug in and said he wouldn't compromise, he wouldn't negotiate. i went to one of the most surreal meetings i've ever been at where president obama invited all the senate republicans to go up to the white house, in the middle of the shut down i invited you here to tell you i

will not negotiate, i wl not compromise on anything. that's why we had a shut down. that was a mistake. but in terms of whether we should have stood and fought on obamacare, i think the proof is in the pudding. millions of people across the country have seen why we were standing and fighting because obamacare is a disaster. for the state of the union, one of the things president obama really ought to do is look in the tv camera say to the over five million americans all across this country who of ha had their health insurance cancelled because of obamacare to look in the camera say, i'm sorry. if you like your health insurance plan you can keep it. if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. that wasn't true. i'm sorry. but then, bob, here is the real quicker if you are really sorry you don't say you're sorry you do something to fix the problem. the pattern we've seen over and over again with this president is he says he's sorry, expresses outrage then doesn't fix the problem. keeps doing it over and over. >> schieffer: let me go back the question i asked, would you

ever conceive of threatening to shut down the government again? >> as i said i didn't shut down the government the last time. i don't think we should ever shut down the government. i repeatedly voted -- >> schieffer: senator if you didn't threaten the shut down the government who was it that did? >> president obama. bob, i understand that the white house said over and over again the shut down is the republicans fault, i understand, that's what you're repeating. but the reality is, i voted over and over again to fund the federal government and the reason we had a shut down -- look, the democrats were very candid i know they told you we think the shut down benefits us politically right now the democrats are telling you that they want another shut down because they think it benefits them politically. it's hard to understand that they forced the shut down when they -- >> schieffer: senator, i know what republicans were telling me like john boehner who said this was the disaster and never again. but let me ask you one more

question here. the government is -- >> let me ask you -- >> schieffer: just a minute. the government is approaching another deadline, february 7th. when it will run out of money unless congress agrees to raise the debt ceiling will you agree to raise the debt ceiling or demand something in return? >> look, of course we should do something. we shouldn't just write a blank check. five years ago the national debt was $10 trillion that took 43 presidents over 200 years to build up $10 trillion in debt. now it's over $17 trillion. it's grown 70% with one president in five years. and if you ask any american outside of washington, should we just keep raising the debt ceiling while doing nothing to have fundamental structural control of spending to get washington spending problem under control? it doesn't matter if you're talking to republican, democrat, independent, of course.

and it's worth noting in the past the debt ceiling has been the most effective lever point for real structural reforms whether it was graham rudman who did great job getting it under control or budget control act. both of those came through the debt ceiling. what the president is saying is he just wants a blank credit card to keep growing and growing the dealt. i think that's irresponsible. i think it's irresponsible our kids and grandkids to stick that debt on them. >> schieffer: let me ask you something on different subject. do you think chris christie is still a viable candidate for the republican nomination? >> you know, bob, i like chris christie, i think he is brash and outspoken i think it's terrific he's been able to get elected twice as republican in a very blue state. i think it's unfortunate he's found himself in this mess. i hope he can extricate himself. i'm rooting for him. i think he's an effective leader and i'd like to see him move on

to governing new jersey and not being mired in the scandal. >> schieffer: will you run for president? >> well, look, my focus is on the challenges facing this country right now, on the senate. my focus, for example, on the abuse of power from the president. let's take something like the i.r.s. scandal. >> schieffer: i take that as a yes or no? or still -- >> what you can take that as that my focus is standing and fighting right now in the senate to bring back jobs and economic growth. economic growth is my number one priority. >> schieffer: thank you so much for joining us. we'll talk to you again. >> thank you, bob. >> schieffer: we'll be back in one minute. you can separate runway ridiculousness... from fashion that flies off the shelves. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. and only national is ranked highest in car rental

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alice in wonderland. says the president's policies haven't worked, but he hasn't let them go in to affect. he's blocked just about everyone. i would say this, i have good news on the debt ceiling. i do not believe republic leaders will follow -- let me say that again. i do not believe that republican led leaders will follow ted cruz over the cliff once again. i believe we will pass a clean debt ceiling. that makes sense, we don't want to risk full faith and credit we can debate all these other issues at a different time and place. but i think they learned their lesson with the government shut down, not only did at the time party ratings plummet so did republican party ratings. and i think there's a new way of thinking in the senate and the house among republicans so that we can get more done in 2014 than we did in 2013 not just going to mindlessly follow ted cruz and republicans over the cliff in to this hard line position unless we get our way,

we're going to hurt innocent people whether by shutting down the government or not renewing the full faith and credit of the united states. >> schieffer: let me ask you about "the hill" newspaper ran headline said that chuck schumer had a plan to poison the tea party. i think we've got a picture of that maybe we'll show that before the broadcast is over here. do you? obviously you -- >> the question millions of americans are asking not just democrats but independents and republicans how can a small extreme minority paralyze the government. i think of plan how to deal with that. dealing with the fundamental contradiction in the tea party. the tea party elites believe government is evil. everything about government is bad and they blame all problems, even noneconomic problems, problems that were caused with you the private sector on government. but the tea party rank and file

is different. they have been fed this line that government is to blame but when you ask them about specific programs they are for them. they're more medicare. they want to keep it. they are for the government building highways which its traditionally done. for the government helping middle class families let their kids go to college. when we let them justifies anti-government theory on everybody. and the world is changing. the tectonic plates are changing. the average middle class person with his or her income declining wants help and they want a government to be not blocked and obstructed as ted cruz does all the time but actually to do things to help them. so we're going to focus on some specific things that we think have support even among tea party rank and file. like raising the minimum wage, like make knowledge college more affordable to middle class families. like creating jobs by

infrastructure growth. >> schieffer: let me ask you this, do you think there's any chance of getting anything done on immigration reform this year? >> i do, bob. let me tell you why. there's a lot of republicans who feel that they should do something, this is not a monolithism. economic conservatives like immigration reform and in fact many support it, the bill that john mccain and i put together in the senate. you have major republican groups, evangelical, christians, business community, hi-tech community, lobbying for this. speaker baner is now entertaining it. obviously he's not going to do it exactly the way we do but i would predict that we will get immigration reform done this year, another example of the mainstream republicans not just listening to the tea party but doing what's right for their country and for their party. >> schieffer: all right. senator, thank you so much for being with us this morning. and we'll be right back with our panel of analysts.

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>> now to help us understand what it all means. peggy noonan. bob woodward, former white house chief of staff turned contributor to cbs news, bill daly all of them here at the table today. bill, you actually have some news, i understand, because you've learned that republicans are going to present an alternative to obamacare? >> obamacare is a disaster not getting better but the best talking points, what would you do. just go back to the status question which wasn't great. losing health insurance allegedly with -- you asked me i just had to say it. senior republicans layout the outlines of legislation which will become real legislation

that would be conservative reform to obamacare it would deal with preexisting condition problem, tax credits for the poor, it would get rid of all the ridiculous bureaucracy regulation of limitations of obamacare. i think it will senators coburn of oklahoma who is retiring, very well ped. senator hatch the ranking republican will become chairman of senate finance and senator who is senior on health committee. this is seen just piece of legislation, it could get across the board support. there will be tweaks, but with the tax credits so forth. i think it will make it harder for the president and democrats to say republicans have no alternative. >> schieffer: will there be any chance that that could pass? >> republicans in the senate and i think 2015 you can imagine republican house passing this, might even this year, whether he wants to abandoned obamacare sign on to sensible health care

reform. >> schieffer: what did you think about ted cruz today? is he -- does he still enjoy the support that he had back whenever led republicans to shut down the government? >> i think he's fighting to regain his footing a little bit. i don't think there are too many people who say that was a huge success. what happened last time with the government shut down. we have laughter from democrat now because huge success is not quite the way he put it either. but could i note, if the republicans who are going to unvail their machine tomorrow if that plan is simple and marked by clarity and is not 2,000 pages is not too complicated for a normal human to get it, that might gain some purchase and go some place. but to your question, ted cruz is trying to come back i think. >> schieffer: bill daly what about it. do you think there's any chance

that republicans can come up with something to replace so-called obamacare? >> you hear they finally decided this is important issue that they ought to put some principles on it. the president i think has been very clear last -- make this better which i don't think it's perfect. we be the first to say it's not perfect. it is working better, those who have been praying for the collapse of reform and health care the thought this they may now be willing to engage is good. >> schieffer: what do you think is going to happen this next year, bob? >> everything and all of this looks like gridlock and deadlock. looks like people aren't agreeing, there are spending and taxing issues which could be negotiated if these people would sit down that really could make a difference for obama and the republicans. and you listen to what obama was

saying to the new yorkers, david remnik what's in the papers, looks like everyone is going in to -- we're not going to do anything mode. that's unfortunate. >> schieffer: we'll see. we'll talk to all of you in part two of our broadcast we'll stop right now. we have lot more coming up, we'll see part two here. ] yes? lactaid® is 100% real milk? right. real milk. but it won't cause me discomfort. exactly, because it's milk without the lactose. and it tastes? it's real milk! come on, would i lie about this? [ female announcer ] lactaid. 100% real milk. no discomfort.

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