>> schieffer: welcome back to "face the nation" page two. peggy noonan of the wall street journal, former house chief of staff now contributor to cbs bill daley. let's get back and talk about what to expect from the president's state of the union. we were just saying as we left, bob, it looks like not much. he's not going to make any big promises this time. >> small ball as bill daley was saying, no ball. and there are governing issues and if you look at this, i've spent some time looking at the democrats, obama has good ideas, the republicans have some good ideas they should sit down and say -- i think one of the indicators here is over the summer obama had dinner with a

bunch of c.e.o.s from the hi-tech world. and one of them asked the right questions, what are you worried about most? obama said, unemployment, second he said, climate change. third, he said, pakistan. now, number one issue, unemployment, how do you do the things the government can do that both parties have ideas and -- on the back of an envelope, bill daley could work out something that would be saleable to both sides. >> what i meant by no ball, it doesn't look like congress can play any ball game together. and that i think the president after very difficult year with very little done and partisanship and fight within republican party that seems to be playing out continually. and my opinion through at least '16 that the odds of something happening there are pretty slim. i think what the president is going to do and what i think is a smart move is try to figure out how to use the government for each of those issues in a way that you don't have to go to

legislation to get mired in this craziness that's been going on on the hill for too long. >> schieffer: you know, isn't he going to have to reach out more to the pill? i mean. seemed to me that, though, obama white house has some of the worth relation, is that i can recall since i've been in washington, with the hill. there was at one point where nobody knew who his congressional liaison was, they couldn't identify him in a line up. i mean, really. >> you've got to -- you have got to want people to reach out to you. a sense that we just don't want to engage this white house. when i was there in '11 we had a lot of engagement, very difficult, there was a sense that there was a chance with divided government to get somewhere, as you saw -- >> schieffer: you're not saying democrats on capitol hill who say i don't want to engage with the white house. >> there's republican strong piece of the republican party up

there who has been consistent since they got control of the house and many people like ted cruz, who is pretty clear even though he's rewriting history with you on what happened with the shut down just don't want to engage this president. if there is a person who is reaching out more than any president i've seen in long time it's been president obama who has done. that but you've got to want someone to reach out to you to respond to it. i'm not seeing that in the last couple of years. >> schieffer: do you agree with that, bill? >> i think, white house chief of that have, i've talked to fair number of democrats haven't heard lot from this president. they have controlled the senate all five years of the obama presidency. doesn't have the sense that the president has lot of legislation going through that body either. no, i don't think he's been effective leader. i'm curious, he is the president, he's commander in chief that's one thing you don't need congress. is he going to defend this deal with iranian leaders, surrender by the u.s. or whether making

clear they're not going to dismantle anything? what is he going to say about afghanistan. bob gates served him, said that president obama just wants to get out. the he -- >> doesn't believe in -- >> having ordered a surge, which i supported at the time is he going to say something serious about afghanistan, just said that i didn't know this he said pakistan was his number three thing that keeps him up at night. what happens to afghanistan happens with pakistan. >> schieffer: let me ask you about one thing you wrote this week you said that republicans ought not to expect a debt ceiling bonanza. go ahead, vote, let the debt ceiling be raised make your fight on something else. >> vote against it if they want. my advice to my friends and conservative activists tea party wing of the party. my advice to republican leadership don't push immigration reform which i think totally splits the republicans party and forces negotiation with bad bill out of the senate. my view is no amnesty on

immigration, no default on debt ceiling and happy year for republicans. >> schieffer: i was taken by the piece you wrote in the wall street journal yesterday which said basically people will snooze through the president's state of the union message because they have stopped listening to him. >> i think so. i think people have gotten to the point where at the beginning of the sixth year of the obama administration, people are managing to restrain their excitement when the president speaks in a big speech or not. he spoke the other day on nsa. talked to 1500 people, half of the people didn't know he'd said a thing. one in ten paid attention to it. they didn't like what he said. that's what's going on. he is over exposed as all presidents are by this point. but he more than others in the past. he also has hanging over him right now not only his inability to be a swaying force with the congress of the united states.

he also has over him the fact that obamacare this year came out. it's no longer a hazy promise it's a reality and reality that has caused more upset than good. it has lost more people coverage than giving them. it's also become obvious that truths were not told in the spilling of this darn thing. so when you put together, oh, my, god, the central meaning of this presidency was put forward somewhat fraudulently plus always in our face. that will equal, i don't think i'm going to watch the speech. i'm sorry. that's a harsh thing to say but that's what's going on. >> the management experts would say the way you have to deal with this and obama said in these recent interviews he understands the power of the presidency. he realizes he can do things. and the answer is, to pick one thing to focus and act aggressively on that one thing. you look at all of the -- like

the nsa speech, it's kind of, women, i like the nsa but i'm worried about them. he wants to have lots of these things both ways and he's got to come out and say, this is what we're going to do and this is what we're going to fix. he has good ideas. one thing it's expensive to spend money on infrastructure, stools, bridges, roads. and you look at the economic impact of that, it could be favorable, people could get jobs. there are lots of republican senators, bill, who are willing to go a long with that. who in exchange -- >> five years ago. >> corporate taxes. there's a deal to be made. ip fact what the president should do, bill daley knows, turn it turnover vice president biden and tell him to go down make a deal as biden has done time and time again. >> one of the most conservative republican senators given a speech laying out proposal to

reform the highways, the transportation bill which is notorious. send the money back to the states. let's be serious about fixing the infrastructure. i agree if the president takes bail daily's advice which i don't think he will call him, can we reform highway bill at the same time that we spend money? there would be republicans willing to work with him. >> the president, all sounds great at this table when you get to the reality on the hill and the inability, lack of desire by lots of people who have come to the office of the senate or house with the express purpose of, we're going to stop this president, stop him from being successful i think it's going to be very difficult to do other than what he can do on his own and this year, too, now suddenly in the -- everyone focused on the hill are running for president. or running for re-election. the climate in this town -- saying it's going to get better

we've seen this now and right now my advice to the president, don't go for home runs, when you go to the hill you better make sure you've got a unified plan both republicans, but it all sounds good but the president has tried much of this. when i was there in two years ago on infrastructure we had reasonable plan. nobody is there. >> it's always hard. >> it was hard for lyndon johnson those southern democrats they weren't too much about desegregation. >> if a president tried to do what lyndon johnson do he'd be indicted. >> schieffer: he got something done. >> not at the table like we're analyzing what he did how he did it. >> we're doing that. sure we were. you and i were here. the grownups were at the table. >> last democrat to be elected,

he capitalized, negotiated with congress. full of people with lunatic, whackos, running against clinton, new england they cut very useful deal which led to budget surpluses. >> schieffer: when they passed that civil rights bill lyndon johnson went up to tap toll hill and he signed it up there. not at the white house because he said if it hadn't been for every -- we'd have a bill. we have a law. he said, i want to make sure he gets credit and he said the other part he told his daughter this, he said the other part of it is some of the people that voted for this are going to get beat the next time. i want them to know i appreciate that. >> a lot of people who voted -- president understood for health care reform lost their election that was courageous vote as under bill clinton voting for tax increase in '93 probably cost democrats. this president has not been afraid to take -- have his friends take -- as they did --

>> schieffer: >> what everyone is saying you have unruly very difficult political opposition. the job of the president is to figure out how to manage that. and, look, you know john boehner the speaker is a traditional conservative anyone who has dealt with him knows you can make deals with him. >> things have gotten better obviously looks like they may be. quite frankly there is a battle going on with the republican party within the republican party that we cannot dismiss. and that has driven since control was changed in house to the republican -- >> you don't think that is -- that's exploited. don't say they're taking each other apart. >> i'm going to bring you in. >> you know, i hate to keep going back to this this is not tutorial on lbj but there was battle going on between northern and southern democrats -- >> that was year ago. are you saying today president could pull off --

>> that was even before that. >> you saw the great movie on lincoln f. a president did what he haddon, lincoln, the pass that i would assume as i said etch peachment would be the least of his experience. >> the president did worse. keep the house then fought off -- >> he fought off that -- >> all i'm saying to go back to the lyndon johnston analogy you'll due respect to him and type of congress and system we had there then, and say you could do -- that's the model, just not reality. >> obama is capable of doing this. >> the thing he probably did to get those votes that never probably with reported are are things that got it passed.

today you can't do those things. it's not just giving a speech it's -- >> without a single republican vote -- the drama you need them coowning this bill with you. you need them moderating this. can i ask a question, i'm so sorry, bob. >> schieffer: of course. >> tell me, the president begins his brand new sixth year ahead. state of the union on tuesday night. you know him, you have been his chief of staff, what governing part of his job as chief executive, president of the united states, does he love? does he love this job, lyndon johnson loved it. does he love the doing of the presidency? does he love the deal making? >> doing the deal making, there's a big difference. that's a little different. for what i know this president he absolutely loves the job, he loves the fact. i think if you read in that long

article you mentioned, bob, that he understands that whether it's four years or eight years or part of history, things he's trying to do whether it's health care, whether it's reform of the banking system as was done and other things going forward. that there is a -- he does love the job, he loves the fact that he is able to help people and i think the thought that he doesn't love the job is just from people who have -- >> a lot of people -- >> schieffer: let me just shift to something else. the "new york times" magazine today put out a cover that -- i think we'll be seeing this for a long time. it is called "planet hilary." i must say my first reaction, i thought it was chris christie. then i thought well maybe it's the man on the moon or something. what about this article? >> my first thought was, it was

unfortunate rendering of an attractive person. but i guess my second thought is, you know, mrs. clinton i'm not sure if she's going to run, she may not be sure or maybe everybody understands she's going to run. but, man, she takes up all the oxygen and keeps other potential democratic presidential contenders from getting in to the story. if she does not run, she's going to spend now between now and when she announces she won't run being the star and being the assumed democrat, i wonder what that is going to do for the democratic party, i would worry about it. >> schieffer: what about, bill kristol. >> i'm not -- i don't -- not about her this drama going on, she as enemies and frenemies and friends and supporters and she has been senator from new york for eight years and secretary of state for four years. shouldn't the "new york times" be reporting on her record, the pluses and minuses not this kind

of childish psycho analysis. >> i couldn't agree more. sucking all the oxygen out of this, it's about the consultants and aides even in one version that have in the magazine in her -- dick morris. he worked for her husband is now an enemy of the clintons, would that be -- hardly in the orbit you've got all of this stuff about the consultants and the teams coming in, going to micro target, macro target. talk about fund raising. the average democratic voter i think says, wait a minutes this a railroad? is there a choice for me? >> schieffer: we have to end there. we'll continue this in the green room. on the air here we'll be back in one minute to talk about the olympics. this is the story of the dusty basement at 1406 35th street the old dining table at 25th and hoffman. ...and the little room above the strip mall off roble avenue. ♪ this magic moment it is the story of where every great idea begins. and of those who believed they had the power to do more.

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been in the headline. russia asterisk anti-gay policy, former olympic gold medal figure skater brian boitano is joining us because he's part of the u.s. delegation to sochi recently went public with the fact that he is gait. i would ask you, brian, is that why you decided to come forward and announce this because of the situation in russia. tell me about the timing of your announcement? >> you know, when i said that i would love to be on the delegation it was a huge honor and when the press release came out where it was mentioning where president obama was sending a message through the delegation of tolerance and diversity, i looked at it as an opportunity to step outside of my -- i've always been a private guy in -- i've been a public figure but also been very private. i took it as an opportunity to step out, stand for his message

and this is a huge platform. it can make a difference in so many people's lives that's why i deshieded to make it public. >> schieffer: it was very brave decision. i want to ask you, are you concerned about the safety of our athletes over there with all these threats we're now hearing about, now a new one coming out this morning? >> in regards to the new one coming out this morning, i think it's a concern for everyone. i think that the athletes' safety should be first and foremost. i'm sure it will be. i think actually athletes' village will be one of the safest places to be. from athletes perspective to cancel the tricks would be devastating. since the olympics, it's really about people meeting together through sports and putting aside their country's differences for that time. >> schieffer: would you advise your family to stay home? >> that's really good question. i would want my family to make

their own decision. i would totally understand if they decided to stay home. but for me as an athlete i would always choose to go. >> schieffer: how do you stay focused on your sport? you're a professional athlete how do you stay focused with all this going on in the background? >> you know, certainly it takes your attention away a little bit. but elite athletes at the level of olympics are so used to blocking everything out and this is devastatingly serious, but at the same time they are so used to blocking things out that it will be another thing that they have to push out of their minds to focus on the task at hand of representing their country as best they can. >> schieffer: i'm very sorry i have to cut you off. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> schieffer: we spoke earlier to another openly gay member of that u.s. delegation to sochi, legendary tennis player, billie jean king. let me just ask you, what kind of reception do you expect, it's

been pretty dicey for sometimes for gay people in russia. will you feel safe going there? >> i will be alert, that is for sure. but i have been going to russia since 1962 and i can't tell you the people are fantastic there. they're very hospitable, very welcoming, they have been nothing but very kind to me. i hope it will continue just like that. i went as an 18-year-old. it's been quite an amazing journey going to russia off and on through the last few decades. >> schieffer: if there are demonstrations, if there are parades, if any of the athletes decide to express support for the gay community, will you take part in any of that? >> i'm not so sure we can. i think the athletes if they're asked questions by the media can answer it any way they see fit. the thing that cannot do according to rule 50 is to demonstrate a protest because they could have their medals

taken away and be sent home. i think if the media asks an athlete a question that they can respond. >> schieffer: do you think this could have a positive impact on russia and the attitude there? >> i think this will be very positive. i think people are genuinely kind and i think most people are accepting or at least will start thinking about it. i think it's important not to boycott. i think it's important to show up and be there and be a part of this wonderful occasion in sochi seeing our athletes try to go for the gold. >> schieffer: billie jean king you always set a great example not just for athletes but for all americans we want to wish you the very best. i hope you have fun while you're there. >> thanks a lot, bob. >> schieffer: we'll be right back with some personal thoughts.

>> schieffer: i watched the new documentary on mitt romney's on netflix, best account of how hard it is on anyone, republican or democrat to run for president any more. remarkably there's not much

politics in it. no heated war room strategy sections, no earnest young staffers debating the meaning of life and the importance of yard signs over late night pizzas, instead we see the romney family debating whether he should run. and as the campaign progresses the affect, the marathon of the modern campaign is having on them and him. one of the most endearing moments when one son assures him that if he loses they will still love him. about half way in to it i thought why didn't the guy i'm seeing here run for president. he was, after all, a moderate northeastern governor with firly good record who passed a health care law people in this state liked and he was a devout family man. but he played down most of that, moderate is modern politics dirty word. mentioning healthcare is toxic to the right. advisors feared his mormonism would be held against him. instead he tried to convince

voters he was to the political right of rick santorum which he wasn't. i'm not sure he could have been elected in any case, but the romney in that film was a far more likable guy than the candidate we saw. an american politics that counts for a lot. back in a minute. ogena® pore refining cleanser. alpha-hydroxy and exfoliating beads work to clean and tighten pores so they can look half their size. pores...shrink 'em down to size! [ female announcer ] pore refining cleanser.

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>> schieffer: that's it from here. thanks for watching. ,,,,

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a 19-year old penn state stt who lived in the bay area -- arrested and accused of makg weapons of mass destruction. a potentially explosionive situation. 19 -- situation. a 19-year-old living in sacramento expected of making bombs. good evening. a college student from the bay area is facing a weapon of mas destruction charge in pennsylvania. he graduated here just last year. now suspected of making a bomb it in his bedroom. mark kelly is what happened. >> reporter: this is 19-year- old from russia. the principal