from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: today, breaking news on the missing plane as new satellite images are discovered. and mitt romney speaks out on ukraine and american leadership. we'll get the latest on the search from our reporter on the scene and veteran pilot sully sullen burger and talk to dave galo who led the under water team who found the air france plane that had been lost at sea for two years. ukraine, does vladimir putin want more than crimea f. he does, what will the west do? we'll talk to mitt romney who warned during the campaign about russian intentions and we'll hear from senator dick durbin just back from ukraine and

republican senator kelly ayotte who is there now. plus, our panel of experts on those stories and the other news of the week. 60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs >> schieffer: good morning again, there is actually some new information this morning on the search for that missing malaysian plane, new satellite images, these from the french that show objects in the same general vicinity as the earlier satellite images. the search is now focused on an area about the size of texas, some 1500 miles off the coast of perth, australia. our holly williams is in perth this morning. >> good morning, bob. there is now a massive search taking place in waters of the southern indian ocean what might be the wreckage of the airline which has been missing more than

two weeks. yesterday the chinese government reel leased a blurry satellite image showing something around 70 feet by 40 feet floating in the sea off australia's west coast. that is just 80 miles from where australian satellite, one of similar size. malaysian authority said that french satellite has also seen debris in the staple area. only human sighting was yesterday when the pilot of civilian aircraft reported seeing several objects in the water including a wooden pallet. that is item commonly used in the cargo hold of passenger planes but also shipping containers. safety authority warned that there is no certainty but these are the only credible leads in the search for the missing boeing 777. today a fleet of military and civilian aircraft from the u.s., australia and new zealand combed a region of the indian ocean the size of west virginia in

difficult weather conditions with lots of cloud cover, radar proved ineffective. they are relying on the human eye and flying just a few hundred feet over the water. it is extremely challenging work, in seas that are notoriously rough. more than half of the passengers on flight 370er from china, several chinese ships are making their way to the area and two chinese aircraft will join the operations tomorrow. >> schieffer: holly williams. thank you so much. and we are joined now by retired u.s. air captain sully sullenberger who made that miraculous landing on the hudson river now five years ago now cbs news aviation and safety contributor. what do you make of this latest situation, should we be hopeful about this, these new images that we've seen? >> well, good morning, bob. everyone is grasping for any bit of hope. this is an extraordinary circumstance in many ways. with each passing day it makes

it more challenging because of the combined affect of wind and current on what floating debris there may be. if it turns out that this debris is part of airplane which it might not then of course searchers have to work backwards for several weeks, that wind and current information to find where on the ocean floor the aircraft may be f. that's where it is. unfortunately there was some missteps made very early on. here we are three -- in to the third week of the investigation just now beginning to narrow the search that are areas as large as the united states. >> schieffer: you know, this information keeps coming out in dribs and drabs because some of it we're learning when the searchers find it, but it seems to me some sort -- there's problem with communications here. do you sense that? >> and that's not an uncommon

circumstance in these large endeavors. there are many countries in the world where there is not sufficient coordination between civilian air traffic control organization and military, radar, air defense organization. little sharing of information. and then you add to that the regional concerns, suspicion, instability, border disputes, makes it even harder to mount large scale investigations. large scale searchers, most of these countries cannot do by themselves f. within other good thing comes out of this, it would be more widespread use globally. stolen and lost travel documents. my understanding is only united states, united kingdom make 10% on that lost travel document database that's something tasha be done globally to prevent people from boarding an airplane with fraudulent travel document. >> is it possible that we're in the ever going to know what happened here?

>> unfortunately with the passing time, with each passing hour and day it becomes somewhat more hickly that that may be the case or may take many years. hopefully some floating debris will be found. that will be traced back to this airplane and then we can work backwards to find the point where it entered the water and begin doing a search to bring up as much wreckage can be found, forensic analysis hopefully find the digital data recorder. >> schieffer: when do you think we'll reach the point where we'll stop searching? >> unlikely that we'll reach that point soon unless there simply no leads to follow. as we've said it took two years for the wreckage of air france 447 to be found in deep waters of the south atlantic. great efforts and huge sums will be expended to find this aircraft and to resolve this

huge ambiguity. >> schieffer: if these satellite images prove to be part of the wreckage finding what is beneath the surface is the next step. we want to thank you for being with us this morning. but finding what's beneath the surface is the next step and there are only a few companies in the world who are able to do that. heads up special projects for one of the best, the institute is with us here this morning. >> in 2011 nearly two years after air france flight 447 crashed off the coast of brazil, the staff located the wreckage two and a half miles below the surface of the atlantic ocean. special under water vehicles mapped the ocean floor through a process called mowing the lawn.

the same vehicles were then able to gather high resolution photos of the jet's remains leading to the recovery of crucial flight data and the cockpit voice recorders. you've been there before. you've done this with the air france plane. what happens if the satellite images turn out to be wreckage? what happens next? >> you put over to team of scientists using models of the shapes of various pieces of debris can look at the currents, winds, weaves, tides, all that stuff for the past few weeks hopefully give us the x on the ocean to begin under water search. >> schieffer: i'm told we have the search area narrowed down to the state of texas. can you start the under water search when the search area is that big or do you have to narrow it down? >> could you. we need to have much better haystack. the air france search was 40

mile radius circle we're many times that size. nothing is impossible but we do need to have some real good foundation where we begin to look beneath the sea. >> schieffer: is sonar the next step? >> almost like, we go in to that area and do something very akin to plowing a field. identify the wreck then move in with higher resolution equipment. >> schieffer: and then when i start going under water with your special vehicles what happens then? >> then once wreck is identified you want to almost do forensic analysis in place using the best cameras, best robots, all the same thing you have to have the right technology, the right team, the right game plan and a little bit of lucka lot of prayer then off you go. >> schieffer: i'm looking on the screen now we're seeing -- what exactly is that? >> that torpedo shape thing is a

remus 6000. under water robot we used three of those on the air france survey, search. they cover about 25 square miles a day. it's slow going but last thing you want to do asking over a spot, miss the aircraft then go to the next spot. >> schieffer: how far are we from that right now? we haven't found it yet. >> i don't want to hope against the hopes and prayers of the families by hoping this is wreckage from the plane. but we're a ways away. air france it was a two-year process. it wasn't all at sea, a lot of thinking, lot of things, who goes and does what next. we're at the beginning of that. it's a long haul from here bob what do you know about the oceaner from at this particular place if it turns out this is where the wreckage is? >> the place is a horrible place to do any kind of work. the waters are rough, i've spent time there in 60 mile an hour winds, the sea floor beneath is smooth and flat, under water

volcanic mountain range. >> schieffer: right now what do you think the chances are? >> we're looking for very small needles in a very large haystack. have confidence of the government and confidence of the families, again with the right teams, the right technologies, nothing is impossible. i'm confident given those things, it's impossible to say when because we don't know where to start and when to start. >> schieffer: you volunteered your help as anybody said we need you yet? >> not yet. we're in stand by mode. we've offered to the state department and malaysian we'll wait and see. >> schieffer: thank you so much. we'll be back in a moment. the crisis in ukraine, this morning the head of nato as military command says russian forces who are at the eastern board are are very sizable. and very ready to use his words.

u.s. military estimates the number of russian forces at 20,000. former massachusetts governor and 2012 republican presidential nominee mitt romney has joining us to talk about that and other news this morning from san diego, good morning, governor and welcome back to "face the nation." during the campaign, i want to start with, this you took a lot of heat for saying that russia was our greatest geopolitical foe in the third debate, the president came down pretty hard on you about that. >> a few months ago when you were asked what's the biggest geopolitical threat you said russia. not al qaeda, you said russia in the 1980s are now calling to did for foreign policy back, the cold war has been over for 20 years. >> schieffer: i'm sure you're tempted to say, i told you so, do you really believe that what happened in ukraine had anything

to do with what president obama has or hasn't done? >> there's no question, but that the president he's naivety with regards to russia and his faulty judgment about russia's intentions and objectives led to number of foreign policy challenges that we face. unfortunately not having anticipated russia's intentions the president wasn't able to shape the kinds of events that may have been able to prevent the kinds of circumstances that you're seeing in the ukraine as well as things that you're seeing in syria. we need to understand that russia has very different interests than ours, this is not fantasy land, this is reality, where they are geopolitical ab very sierra. but they're an adversary on the world stage. >> schieffer: should we have known this, should we have anticipated, it caught a lot of people by surprise it seems to me. >> well, there may have been some people surprised but many

others who predicted that russia would try to grab additional territory and certainly when we saw the demonstrations going on in ukraine, we recognized that russia has major base in crimea, there was -- couldn't be surprise to folks that russia might take the opportunity to grab that territory. after all we see reports saying that the russian soldiers came out without russian insignia, this had been prepared for some time. and we certainly could have taken action early on, we would have had far more options trying to shape events to keep russia from moving in. for instance, working with allies around the world, to develop the sanctions, communicating those to russia very clearly, at the same tie saying we're not going to interferes with your base nor your influence in kiev these things had potential of keeping russia from making a devastating move, one that changes the whole political landscape of the

entire world certainly that of eastern europe. >> schieffer: we had put on some sanctions now, they don't seem to have done much good. you're saying if we had done it earlier, how would we have done that? are the sanctions they put on now, do we need stronger sanctions? >> let's step back. i think effective leaders typically are able to see the future to a certain degree and then try to take actions to shape it in some way. that is of course what this president has failed to do and secretary of state, hillary clinton as well. resetting relations with russia, handing out gifts to russia would somehow make russia change it's objectives. that certainly wasn't the case. had we been at the very beginning of the demonstrations in in ukraine worked with our allies said, look, let's talk about the kinds of severe sanctions we would put in place if russia were to decide to move. had we then communicated that to russia beforehand, not -- but

communicate, look, russia, stand down here, don't you think about grabbing territory or these are things that will have to happen. these are the actions that we'll take. by the way, rusha we're not going to interfere with your -- had we communicated those things there is always the potential to kept them from invading a country. >> schieffer: what would be your advice to the president now? what should we be doing now and what do we do next? for example, what are we going to do if putin decides to move those troops that he's got poised on the border in to other parts of ukraine? >> well, given the fact that there's real potential that russia might be thinking in that direction, we need to communicate with our allies, what actions would we take, tell russia before they academy say, look, russia, if you do these things these are some of the things that are going to happen. of course you keep other options on the table as well. right now you do the kinds of things that are only available

to you after something bad has happened which options are typically far less effective. you do put in place sanctions, you do strengthen relationship with our friends, particularly eastern europe. you welcome those that seek entry in to nato to join nato. rebuild our military budget. don't shrink the budget at a time like this. you begin military cooperation with nations in eastern europe that want that cooperation. for instance, you reconsider putting missile defense system back in to the czech republic and poland. as you recall we pull that out as gift to russia. these are the kinds of actions you take the president is taking many of those, i'm saying what he should have done from the very beginning was have the judgment to understand that russia was not our friend, that russia had very different ambitions and interests that you have to stand strong. by the way, the president's actions in syria i belief are one of the things that led to the kind of aggressiveness

you're seeing from russia today. >> schieffer: have we reentered the cold war? >> no, we haven't entered that level, if you will, cold conflict. but we certainly recognize that russia has very different interests than ours. that russia is going to push against us in every possible way. they have been doing it. look, they blocked for many years the toughest hangss against iran, they stand with assad and syria and north korea, they link with some of the worst actors, send battleship in to the caribbean. they harbor edward snowden, all these things are designed to say, look, we're pushing against united states, they are our geo-political adversary, not our enemy. but adversary on the playing field of the world. we're going to determine whether the world is going to see freedom and economic opportunity or world going to see -- russia

and putin want to be authoritarian. not something the world needs or wants. >> schieffer: how would you judge america's place in the world right now? >> well, you look and see what's happening in the world ask yourself after five years of the obama administration, secretary clinton, her administration now new secretary of state, who, by the way, i hope does well. look offer the past five years and see what's happened, good things have in the been bursting out all over. the middle east is in turmoil, auto pack is fragile and may fall back in to a dove stating setting. we're not making the kind of progress in afghanistan that had been promised. and our esteem around the world has fallen. i can't think of a major country, hard to think of single country that has greater respect and admiration for america today than it did five years ago when barack obama became president. that's a very sad, unfortunate

state of affairs. >> schieffer: final question, governor. have you been thinking, are you thinking about running for president again? >> i'm thinking about the people i want to see running for president. there's quite a group. we have a very strong field of leaders who could become our nominee. and could stand up for the kind of leadership i think america wants. a lot of people are looking back to the 1980s saying, wouldn't it be nice if we had leaders like ronald reagan and george bush and jim bakker and george schulz and some of the strong presidents and secretarys of state that led us during difficult times that's the kind of leadership we want. we have there's kinds of leaders in the party i fully anticipate that i'll be supporting one of them very vigorously. >> schieffer: thank you very much for joining us and giving your thoughts on all this, governor, nice to see you again. >> thanks, bob. good to be with you. >> schieffer: dick durbin who is just back from ukraine and

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