from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: today on fakes the nation, good news overnight on that devastating mudslide in washington state. some of the missing have turned up alive. we'll get the latest from washington governor jay inslee. we'll go to australia for the latest on the missing malaysian airliner. assian troops continue to amass on the border of ukraine and diplomatic talks presume, we'll get analysis from former cia official michael morell and former nsa chief michael hayden. and should college athletes be allowed to unionize and what does that mean for the future of college athletics. we'll talk to mark emmert the head of the ncaa. all that and an all-star panel of analysts.

60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning again we'll start with the devastating mudslide that wiped out a tiny town of oso, washington, a week ago. last night authorities raised the death toll to 18 but also revised the number of missing from 90 to 30. john blackstone is in nearby darrington. >> good morning, bob. it was a dramatic change when they lowered that total of missing from 90 to 30. there was some duplicates on the list and some people thought to be missing were just somewhere else. now it's a much smaller number but for those who are waiting to learn the fate of their loved ones it's no less painful. now for searchers the work is as

challenging as ever. they are slowly making their way to a muddy debris field that stretches across one square mile. it's littered with uprooted trees and wreckage of homes and cars. national guardsmen have been working in waist deep mud and water more than 100 searchers a day are picking through the mud and debris, shovel by shovel. it turns out the most effective search tool here comes on four legs. rescue dogs have been essential part of the hunt for bodies and for possible survivors. but even the dogs, even four of the dogs working in the mud is proving demanding and difficult. the good news came mostly in the first hours after the landslide when helicopter rescue crews saved those who managed to stay above the mud. 4-year-old jacob spillers was youngest person who was saved his rescue gave people here much needed reason to hope. but now search leaders acknowledge it's unlikely that

anyone could still be alive, searching in collapsed building a possibility of air pockets, voids where people could survive. but here, bob, it seems that the mud and water have filled any sort of air pocket or void. >> schieffer: thank you so much. thanks, john. governor jay inslee is on the other side of the mudslide in arlington, washington, governor, thank you for taking time to talk with us this morning. there are still 30 people missing. do you think at this point there's any chance of finding them allay? >> we are hoping for a miracle, more importantly we're working for a miracle we're doing everything humanly possible if that opportunity exists. these searchers, both professionals and volunteer are really performing herculian tasks, they're working beyond

the point of exhaustion. we intend to exhaust every possible avenue to lack for that miracle. but we do know that these are going to be heavy days ahead for folks in the valley and for the state of washington. and for the nation. we do feel the nation's compassion for this part of the world right now. which we appreciate. >> schieffer: i do have any kind of estimate as to how long this search is going to go on? >> well, we don't know exactly the dimensions but we're going to be in active rescue mode as long as there is any possibility of hope far these survivors. but the task before our state is quite monumental. this is severed an arterial highway to the town of darrington we have temporary road set up but have to restore this highway and restore this town. >> schieffer: do you have any need for anything that you're not getting now, is there any kind of help you would like to have that you're not getting? >> well, we're fully resourced

on the rescue but we are appreciative of the state and nation are pouring out their hearts and donations to the red cross and united good way, those things are welcome. we feel that warmth. i guess what we'd like from the nation to recognize the depth of the grief of darrington and oso and recognize that these are resilient independent people. i have seen acts of courage and inspiration from the rescuers to the kids who are serving meals to the rescuers. this is a place of peaks of inspiration as well. hope people are proud behalf is going on in this real. >> schieffer: babe, o back in 1999corps of engineers issued a report of large catastrophic failure out there. do you feel the state missed the warning signs that something might happen?

>> we live in a state that was carved by glaciers, it's supremely beautiful state but left large hills and mountains of unconsolidated soils on top of clay. there are quite a number of areas that do present some geological instabilities. we are going to get to the bottom of the question you asked, going to take a lot of work, months of geological research. right now just tell you we got to focus like laser beam on rescuing anyone who could be subject to a miracle and also taking care of these families. these families are in great stress right now, we have to wrap them in our arms, take care of their housing, things as simple as getting i.d. and driver's license that's got to be our focus right now that's what we're going to get done. >> schieffer: we're all thinking about you. we appreciate what you're doing and we wish you the very best in this. >> thanks to you and the whole country. thank you.

>> schieffer: now to the ongoing mystery of the missing malaysian jetliner which vanished from radar over three weeks ago. cbs news correspondent holly williams is in perth, australia. >> good morning, bob. we are now 11 days in to this search in the southern indian ocean for the wreckage of flight 370 and so far nothing has been found. for the first time yesterday ships were able to retrieve objects but everything they dragged up was just flotsam and jettison. now we flew yesterday on a p3 research and how how difficult the crew's job is. they flew as low as 250 feet over the water and they were able to spot fishing bouys, even a pod of dolphins but again no wreckage. the fact that no debris has been found adds to the frustration felt by the families of the 239 people who were on board.

around two-thirds of the passengerser from china. some of their families arrived in kuala lumpur to press malaysian airlines to get more and clear information about the investigation. what the search teams here are racing to find are the plane's black boxes or flight recorders. because they could finally explain what went wrong and perhaps also offer some comfort to the family members. the u.s. navy has flown in a black box locate or which can find flight recorders in waters up to 20,000 feet deep. it was loaded on to a ship here today and should reach the search area in the next 48 hours. but, bob, the batteries on those black boxes may only have around eight days of life left. >> schieffer: holly, keep us posted, thank you. the united states of course is one of six countries involved in the search and rescue. commander william marks is the spokesman for the 7th fleet.

he joins us by phone this morning from the 7th fleet's command ship. commander, anything new at all from overnight? >> we have our flight just landed from the mission, no reports of any debris associated with an aircraft. and although somewhat discouraging to find debris it does bring up a good point in that the satellite imagery that we have seen, it is helpful. however we have got to have conclusive visual evidence of debris. that is most important thing. we have to keep flying these missions out of perth until we can determine that original location we can't get our pinger locator out there and we can't use our sonar to search. >> schieffer: some are saying this search may well go on for years. can we continue at the level, we're now operating?

>> if we don't get a location on that pingere then have to very fully use sonar to get an aim knowledge, digital image of the bottom of the ocean. that is incredibly a long process to go through. but it is possible. yes, it could take quite awhile. >> schieffer: commander, is there anything that could be done that is not being done at this point? >> we have about as many assets out there as we have. last count was 60 or so between ships and aircraft. you have to wonder if the debris is even out there. if we fly over something, we will see it. >> schieffer: commander, thank you so much. all the best of luck to you. >> you're welcome. thank you. >> schieffer: and now to the situation in ukraine. russian troops continue to mass along the board are of ukraine, u.s. officials say there are close to 50,000 of them there. they say those troops show all

the elements of combat power. on friday russian president putin called president obama said he wanted to work to reduce tensions. yesterday the russian foreign secretary or foreign minister sergey lavrov said the russians had in his word, no intention of invading ukraine. he and secretary of state kerry are going to meet later today in paris. david ignatious of the "washington post" is with us this morning. david, i can't remember a sunday morning when we started out covering so many different stories. such different stories but all of them of great significance. let me ask you first, what do you make of this phone call that putin, he called the president on friday, said he wanted to tuck about this situation of ukraine. you've been on this story all weekend, what u.s. officials make of this? >> it's tempting to see this as

a -- putin is poised on the board are of eastern ukraine, idea of actually attacking is pretty risky for putin. he would ebb counter resistant, the prospect of having to fight a long, partisan battle against millions who feel strongly about their makes. it appears what putin has said that he thinks that the time to at least begin a round of diplomatic talks to see if there is some balance, middle ground solution. president obama has very delicate task here. he wants to invite that conversation but maintain the position that what russia has done in seizing crimea is unacceptable, violation of the international order. there are formula, is that have been fled what the talks later today in paris between secretary

kerry and foreign minister lavrov, there are things like perhaps implicit promises from ukraine, maybe explicit. the u.s. would like to keep the door open for eye crane joining european union but maybe not. >> schieffer: do you think he's dialing back or wants to dial back a little? >> you can't say that he's dialing back as long as all those troops are on the border. threatening to come across and really destabilize the situation. putin's come right up to the edge of very volatile conflict in europe. i think he's wondering whether it's time to step back a little bit, gain diplomatically enough that he can de-escalate. >> schieffer: scott pelley had very interesting interview with the president, the president speculated what he thought was motivating putin. here is part of what he said.

>> i think he's been willing to show a deeply held grievance about what he considers to be the loss of the soviet union. you would have thought that after a couple of decades that there would be an awareness on the part of any russian leader that the path forward is not to revert back to the kinds of practices that were so far in the cold war, but in fact to move forward. >> schieffer: what did you make of the president's comment? >> i thought it was worth seeing in the entirety. in the clip, president obama i thought was trying to do something that i just heard henry kissinger in a private gathering at yale say, that it's crucial for statesmen to try to see the world as their adversaries see it. and in that comment about deeply

held grievance that motivates putin, i thought obama was trying to do. that the trick is to understand your advera terry but maintain your -- behave in responsible way. i think that little tease that putin watched it he would say here is american president trying to understand the way i see the world. >> schieffer: if he reacts to things the way we in the west react we don't know. but at least they're talking. we'll see what happens. we'll come back to this, david. we're going to be back in one minute on a totally different subject, mark emmert the president of the ncaa the ruling body of college athletics going to be here to talk about what could be a ground breaking ruling for college sports. ♪ [ male announcer ] how could a luminous protein in jellyfish, impact life expectancy in the u.s.,

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dr. mark emmert and dr. emmert i this it's fair to say this was a surprise that was a bombshell with the national labor relation board ruled last week that college football players at northwestern had the right to unionize. now, it's my understanding you think this is basically would be a disaster for college sports. >> certainly like i think many people understand the need for people to take pay attention to be concerned about welfare of student athletes that's what the ncaa was created for a hundred years ago that's what we keep our attention on. i don't think that unionizing student athletes, turn them in to unionized employees of universities is way to improve their success. no, war not particularly -- >> schieffer: what would happen if they declared them to be employees, i guess that would mean their scholarships would be considered wages? they would be taxed? >> i assume so as well. if you look at northwestern, for example, the value of a scholarship tuition fees, room

and board, around $75,000 a year we assume that becomes taxable. more importantly completely changes the relationship from a student there to get an education and enjoy benefits of being a student at place like northwestern, to being an employee. we don't even know what that looks like if they drop a ball do they get fired? how do you recruit them? do you hire them, trade them? what is that relationship look like is anyone's guess. >> schieffer: aren't you going to of ha to do something? this is now become a multi-billion dollar industry. and people say, look, everybody is making money out of this. but the students themselves. that they're being used. they're in the being treated fairly. >> to me at least i'm sure it's true for more than 1100 member university and colleges the game changer for a young person in life that they get an education. we know that means they will make a million dollars more than

they would have otherwise. if we're making sure that the focus is on students getting an education, graduating from the university, without debt, without any burdens on them they go on in to the world and they're successful because of what they learned as student athlete what they gained in the classroom that is real game changer for them. the billions of dollars that come in, it is a very large amount of money that universities receive for in tear collegiate athlete particulars in two sports, football and basketball, also what drives pays for all of the other things like track and field, soccer, women's volleyball, women's basketball. all of those sports are paid for by the revenue that comes in from the sports that drive all of that activity. the notion that somehow universities are taking that money putting in the bank sutterly erroneous. using it to pay for half a million athletes.

>> schieffer: would the other sports continue on if they are declared to be employees? >> they would be deeply threatened to say the least because of the change in that relationship. i'm not sure how you can rule that student athlete who spends as much time as our student athletes do in women's basketball is different than one in men's basketball. the time commitments is the same, work is the same. dedication is the same. ones that unionize athlete and employee i suspect the other is as well. >> schieffer: where do you think this is going? do you think it winds up in the supreme court? >> i think it does. so fundamentally changes the college sports and blows up what is one of america's iconic activities i think winds up in the supreme court. >> schieffer: are these students really student athletes? after all some are working, when you have practice time, 50 hours a week, they are different than the other students who go to school.

there's no question. >> you're right. there is no question. i think one of the things that the ncaa and our member universities have to address is, how much time demands are being placed on successful student athletes. across the board they committee norm muss amount of time and begins at the 6th grade these days. we have kids playing sports 12 months out of the year and i think we as society need to rebalance that. >> schieffer: can you think of any solution, any reforms, any way that maybe these kids can share in what's happening here in college sports? >> sure. there's a lot of things that we need to do and members are actively engaged in looking for changes. one, we have been talking about increasing the size of the scholarship to cover in our jar began, full cost of attendance which would add several thousand dollars worth of resources, we're talking about those time constraints can can we get them to be more reasonable because again game changer is getting that degree and that education. three, we need to make sure that

we're doing everything human auto possible around health and wellness and support of student athletes around their well being. those things and handful of others are critical that are in the works l we'll zoo that happen in the next few months. >> schieffer: thank you so much. very interesting situation. we'll be coming back to this story as it continues to develop and getting some other views down the road. for now i'll be right back with some personal thoughts. across america, people are taking charge of their type 2 diabetes... ...with non-insulin victoza. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar,

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