from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> today on "face the nation." a horrific start to memorial day as six are killed in a mass murder in santa barbara. honoring our nation's veterans on this memorial day. 22-year-old elliot wrong tore kill six before turning the gun on himself. we will get latest from the chief investigator on the scene, bill brown. and president obama promises accountability in the v.a. scandal even as he keeps secretary eric shinseki on the job and orders new round of investigation. should he go? we will ask connecticut democratic senator richard bloom

enat&t and iraq and adam kinsinger and "washington post" reporter who broke the 2007 story about mistreatment of veterans at walter reed. we'll look at latest lawsuit to hit the nfl with the attorney for the players and panel of sports writers. 60 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning, bob is off today. i'm major garrett. police have identified 22-year-old elliot rodger as the gunman who killed six friday night near the campus of the university of california santa barbara before taking his life. the details are chilling. police police say the killer was severely mentally disturbed and the mayhem in his apartment where three were stabbed to death an on the streets of santa barbara ever the work of a madman.

rodger post add video to youtube promising retribution against women who has shunned him. he wrote a 141 page man tess toe outlining his plans. last night the police released names of three. 22-year-old catherine cooper, 19-year-old veronica weis and 20-year-old christopher michael martinez all students at ucsb. we begin our coverage with cbs news correspondent who is in santa barbara this morning. >> good morning. this is a small college community, they are in shock and they are grieving. hundreds showed up to a candlelight vigil last night to pay their respects. the sheriff says the calls came in at 9:30 friday night for the next ten minutes i will rot rodger went on a shooting spree leaving a crime spree in locations. he post add video on youtube of the chilling message that he

wanted to kill people at sorority for not getting dates and never being kissed. >> force me to suffer all my life and now i'll make you all suffer. >> he fired shots outside of a sorority house killing two people there. then he drove around town shooting at random, by the end of this shooting spree six people were dead, 1 others wounded. and police say as they closed in on rodger, they believe he took his own life. now rodger had three semi automatic handguns, they were all in his own name and they were purchased legally. police also found 400 rounds of ammunition. looking through social media and e-mails, they are also examining a 141 page man tess toe to "there were any warning signs. >> danielle, thank you. joining us now, santa barbara county sheriff bill brown.

we understand is a traumatic time. wish you the best of luck in this investigation. what can you tell us about what your department learned april 30 made this visit to elliot rodger prompted by the warnings or at least concern expressed by one of his relatives? >> well, major, on that day we were asked by the mental health department to conduct a welfare check with elliot rodger to determine if he was a danger to himself or anyone else. this was prompt by call by third party, mental health department contacted one of his relatives who expressed concern about his well being. our deputies went to check on mr. elliot, contacted him outside his residence, they found him to be at that time rather quiet and timid. he was polite and courteous, he was able to convince the

deputies that this was all a misunderstanding that although he was having some social problems, he was probably not going to be staying in school and going to be returning home. he was able to make very convincing story that there was no problem that he wasn't going to hurt himself or anyone else. and he just didn't meet the criteria for any further intervention at that point. obviously looking back on this it's a very tragic situation and we certainly wish that we could turn the clock back maybe change some things. he was able to convince them that he was okay and when you read his autobiography and manifesto that he wrote it's very apparent that he was able to convince many people for many years that he didn't have this deep, underlying obvious mental

illness that ultimately manifested itself in this terrible tragedy. >> sheriff, are you satisfied your deputies followed procedures as was there anything that would have normally overlaid their visit with any check of recent or even not so recent weapons purchases? >> we are still looking in to all of the details, everything that we've had at this point has been pretty hastily put together. we're going to take a look at the detail as the investigation continues. as far as weapons checks go, normally under case like this weapons -- i think they actually probably spoke to him about the weapons i'm not sure that they had actual weapons check conducted, i don't have that information right now. there's been a lot of discussion about whether or not he was -- how he was able to obtain weapons. he purchased three of these handguns over preceding year before the incident and during

the course of his interaction with medical health professional he had never been either institutionalized or committed for an involuntary hold of any kind. those are the two triggers that actually would have made him prohibited person in terms of firearms purchase. he was able sadly to obtain those three firearms. >> sheriff brown, what can you tell us about the victims who were wounded i believe the number is 13, what is their status? >> i don't have the exact numbers. number of them have been treated and released from hospitals already. there are two i believe that are still in serious condition. the remainder are in good or fair condition and at this point it doesn't appear there is any more that have life threatening medical situations. we're very pleased about that obviously. >> sheriff, three people were murdered in his apartment by knife wounds.

what can you tell us about how that happened, was there anybody nearby who heard anything? what about that particular part of this crime stands out to you? >> we didn't receive any reports of anything, those victims were discovered during the course of a search of the suspect's apartment that was secondary to the actual incident as part of our investigation. it was then fairly quickly after the shooting rampage that occurred on friday night when we discovered those bodies. no one heard anything or contacted us as though anything was amiss. when our deputies went in to residence they found three male victims who were deceased, who -- all of whom appeared to have suffered multiple stab wounds. >> one last question for you. did you come across anything that would indicate even in a tangential way in that who was close to elliot rodger had any

inkling this might happen? >> we haven't discovered that at this point at all. in reading his manifesto i think that he was able to fly under the radar, so toe speak, in terms of his likelihood or propensity to hurt anyone else. we haven't seen any of that. >> santa barbara county sheriff, bill brown, thank you very much for your time. richard martinez the father of one of the students killed had this to say to reporters yesterday. >> you don't think it will happen to your child until it does. chris was a really great kid. ask anyone who knew him. his death has left our family lost and broken. why did chris die?

chris died because of irresponsible politicians and nra. they talk about gun rights, what about chris' right to live? when will this insanity stop? when will enough people say, stop this madness, we don't have to live like this. too many have died. we should say to ourselves, not one more. thank you. that's it. >> we want to go now to republican senator john thun, in minneapolis and democratic sector who joins us from stanford, connecticut. senator, i'm sure those words and those sentiments and emotions ring in your ears as a dark and grim reminder of the situation in connecticut, elementary school, everything about that, what is your reaction, sir? >> first of all, my heart and

prayers go out to richard martinez and loved ones of all of those victims in santa barbara. that gut-wrenching, heart-breaking statement is a reminder of how we felt in wake of sandy hook on december 14 a year and half ago when it seemed like we were on the verge of the legislation that would stop the madness and end the insanity that has killed too many young people, thousands, tens of thousands since sandy hook including erica robinson and javier whose lives we commemorated. i hope, i hope that this tragedy, this unimaginable tragedy will bring back measures that would keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people who are severely troubled or deranged like this young man

was. and provide resources, we need mental health resources and that initiative i hope will provide a common ground, a point ever consensus that will bring us together in a congress enable majority, 90% of the american people want background checks to be heard. to be responded to and to end the madness and insanity. >> let me follow up, the sheriff told us that there were no flags that would have prompted a check on the legally purchased weapons that elliot rodger had he didn't seem to have large or larger than normal size magazines for his weapons. do you believe legislation the senate did not pass would have made any difference in this case? >> the legislation that failed to pass it got support from 55 senators. would have provided a mental health initiative with more resources, greater ability for the santa barbara police to intervene, to use the sheriff's word. to have professionals trained in

diagnosing and detecting this kind of derangement. obviously not every kind of gun violence is going to be prevented by laws out of washington but at least we can make a start and i am going to urge that we bring back those bills, maybe reconfigure them to center on mental health which is a point where we can agree that we need more resources to make the country healthier and to make sure that these kinds of horrific insane, mad occurrences are stopped and the congress will be complicit if we fail to act. >> your thoughts, senator? >> well, major, let me say that our thoughts and prayers go out to richard martinez and his family all those that were impacted, this was a her riff can act of violence. that not only shootings but stabbings when we get the specifics of the case we do need to focus on, assure that we have policies in place that allow

people with mental health issues like these to be diagnosed and to be treated. i think that some something on which there is agreement that is where we ought to be focusing our efforts. >> let's go to the question of the veterans addv, its conduct of the health care system itself, broadly and allegations of either fraud or mismanagement or possible criminal conduct. former u.s. attorney, former attorney general, you have said that the justice department must get involved. how hasn't it honed yet to put department of justice investigators on this case? >> i believe that the department of justice has to be involved. i've urged secretary shinseki privately and publicly to request and involve the department of justice, we're talking now about evidence, credible and specific evidence of criminal wrongdoing across the country in more than 30 places.

the inspector general of the vet answer administration has only 165 investigators, more resources are needed, only the department of justice and fbi have the resources, the expertise and the authority to do a prompt and effective criminal investigation ever the secret waiting lists, potential destruction of documents, falsification of records, in effect the cooking of books and covering up that may have occurred. these are allegations but there's evidence to support them. we're thought rushing to justice, but the department of justin can convene a grand jury, the ig cannot. we flex and present outside independent authority that can offer accountability and perception of accountability of restored trust and confidence. that has to be our focus. accountability is a means to the end of assuring better health care, better delivery of health

care. the end to delays and rigid bureaucracy that have impeded access and blocked many veterans from receiving timely care. >> senator thune your that's right about the president's press conference earlier this week also like to get your thoughts on dust up by one of your colleagues who criticized for not being forceful enough in calling for secretary shinseki to resign. they have accused him of outrageous conduct, i'd like your thoughts on both subjects, sir. >> first off i think the president just waited way too long to get in to this, that was the issue that many of us were raising that you have reports of up to 40 people who died on waiting lists, you had these reports of secret -- falsifying records. it took three weeks for the president to act. i'm glad that he's engaging, the things that were set r said yesterday about giving veterans access to non-v.a. facilitiesf

they can't get in to v.a. facilities is a welcome change. i think what senator burr's letter the vfw's response suggests that there's a high level of frustration. i think gets at broader issue of what do we do reform institutions. we have failure of the institutions, that hasn't been associate with funding, funding has been increased by 60% over last five years to the v.a. we need top to bottom review by inspector general, system-wide that points out and gives us an idea how to proceed. i think one of the things is, we've got to have more accountability, more transparency not only waiting lists but outcomes. have to come up with a better model of delivering care to our veterans so they don't have these waits. this is a real tragedy, these are people with whom we have say credit trust that has been betrayed. we need to make sure that it's fixed. >> the vfw called senator burr's

comments monumental cheap shot. there are those who have expressed some nervousness of this become hyper politicized in a mid term election year, is that what is going on? >> look, there's going to be basic disagreements of different veteran service organizations came to different conclusions whether the secretary ought to step aside. basically this ought to transcend politics, this really is an issue that needs to be involved. we're talking about men and women who put their lives on the line who risk everything for us and we need to have a system of health care that gives them the highest possible quality care in a timely way and do it in the most cost effective way. that ought to be what we're focused on. you're seeing high level of frustration, only way that we're going to get to the bot. of this have that full blown investigation and then look at better ways of delivering health care services to america's veterans. >> real quickly about 15 seconds, have you called the attorney general, eric holder

about this what has been his response of putting the doj on the case? >> i've spoken to the director of the fbi about it. obviously they are considering what the options are learn can more about it. but here is the really important point. looming right away are more than a million americans who are going to be leaving military becoming veterans placing unforeseen demands on this system. the system under stress, there needs to be reforms and accountability. and we owe our veterans. i'm impatient. so are veterans. >> very good. thank you very much. we'll be back. in one minute. ♪ [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. ♪ [ birds squawking ] my mom makes airplane engines that can talk. [ birds squawking ]

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and what is your reaction to the announcement just made offer the weekend that veterans who can't get care can seek it from non-v.a. facilities. >> well, you know, look, everything i hear from this administration, from politicians talking about it, i'm acutely aware that i'm also a politics talking about indepth studies, see what results are, we need to figure out what is going on here. look at this, look at that. meanwhile while we're waiting for the results of studies you have veterans waiting for care from the veterans administration general shinseki has been there for six years, has not been able to get his grip on this. the press conference sounded like he talked about in 2007 it is time for a shake up and for some real issues. in terms of what was done this weekend what was announced in terms of veterans being able to go to private doctors and hospitals i think it's great. we've been calling on this for a very long time.

i'm going to celebrate this move by the v.a. but i'm also going to say, what took so long. this is not a new issue in terms of the backlog, and it's not a new issue in terms of the fact that now secret waiting lists created which is whole other level of incompetency to the level of criminals. >> is that something that you are certain of or suspicious about? >> i'm not a lawyer. i'm proud of that. but at the same time, if you have somebody that created a fake waiting list in order to make their numbers look better, more interested in protecting their bonuses and job than in protecting those that have protected us, frankly i think that is criminal negligence. for me i think it's gone from incompetent. we were talking year or two year backlog that was incompetence, that of bureaucracy, something that we had to take a real strong approach on. but when it came to people have created fake waiting lists and veterans have died, i think that goes to the level of criminality, that is where as prior senator was saying

department of justice needs to get involved. the president has to show some intense outrage, i think general shinseki needs to go, i don't think he's fit for this. i haven't seen the left of outrage out of him that we ought to be marching. >> before i let you go the president often says it doesn't do any good to fire somebody in the moment of crisis. what is your reaction to that why do you think getting rid of shinseki now would make the situation materially better. >> to an extent i agree, i had conversations with colleague about calling for his resignations. where it changed is when i heard that there were in fact secret waiting lists, the reality is, it's been six years, he hasn't been able to tackle this, we've got to have answers now, he's a great guy but i think maybe bring somebody like a hospital administrator in just because the general has bin the military doesn't mean he knows how to run largest hospital organization in the country. it's time for a major shake up

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>> welcome back to fakes the nation i'm major garrett filling in for bob severe. we're joined now by "washington post" investigative reporter dan that priest who won a prize for her work at the post in 2007 uncovering walter reed scandal. and david finkel her colleague at the post who has new book out called "thank you for your service" also honored to be joined this morning by colonel tom manion "brothers forever" about his son and son's best friend who were killed in service now buried next though one another at arlington national cemetery. colonel, thank you are for joining us i'd like to get your opening thoughts on veterans administration scandal as we're calling in washington what you think needs to be done. >> well, major, for me on this memorial day weekend when we think about those guys that are coming home for them not to have

the type of service and attention they need is unacceptable. also something that no surprise has been going on for years. there is too much red tape and we just got to get past that deliver services that are needed for these guys that have done so much and owe them just that. >> does it pain you to read these stories discover or confirmed reports of veterans dying simply waiting to be seen. >> it's just not right. we need people to come together look for solutions. there is too much of the finger pointing, this is something that has been around for a long time. those involved in the military know that veterans affairs has been having issues for a long time. let's get together let's make it work.

>> dana you did your work in 2007 immediately thereafter there were resignations or firing, how would you contrast the accountability index now against what you saw and what you record. >> there were some things that were similar which is that this story originated by some courageous insiders from the v.a. a doctor and staff members who were willing to come to the media tell them what was going on allegedly. the government has responded by saying we're outraged which happened before. those who don't take they're outraged got fired in walter reed. one of the disturbing facts is the immediate politics of it last time they seemed to be more willing, politicians on capitol hill to work together. there is bipartisan commission appointed by president bush they worked together they came up with a lot of solutions, there was much more money that has --

that was poured in to both the situation for active duty soldiers but also the v.a. and like the colonel was saying veterans administration has had problems forever it's a very large system. >> for those who may not remember briefly walk us through what you discovered at walter reed, why it caught so many people by surprise how you think it differs materially from reports of veterans dying for care now. waiting for care now. >> this was a report about the situation of neglect really at the walter reed army medical center for active duty returning troops that was three miles from the white house. a white house that had continually said we're going to do the best we can for our troops and american public who said basically no matter what we feel about the wars dough don't want to take it out on the troops and that is not what was happening at walter reed which is place that was under funded,

run by people who had compassion fatigue as the name for it, really. and this bureaucracy issue, people were getting -- out patients, it wasn't the medical staff. but as out patients people were getting lost in the system. they would go back to their rooms where they were supposed to be convalescing, nobody would check on them, forget their appointments because they had ptsd and traumatic brain injury and paperwork was missing. this time around it's not -- right now it's limited to one place, the ig will look at that. it's the veterans administration where all those folks now are. the bubble has moved from one to the other. >> david, this bring us to you and your book which is searing on so many different levels, emotionally gut wrestling, i compliment you on that difficult. about those who have come home and difficulties they encounter some of which are aggravated by veterans system, some are things

you bring home from battle itself. talk us to about your observations and your reaction. >> it's beyond my length to say what ought to be done. i can tell you that i have been -- spent last seven years writing about an army infantry battalion that was sent in to the surge, these were 800 young men who went off to war with a young man's sense ever invincibility. when they came home 15 months later they had matured, they were changed. in some cases degraded by the experience ever fighting a war, what they did, what they didn't do. what they saw. the battalion of 800 includes 14 guys who died who will be remembered this weekend. and the others came home in various stages of being okay and not being okay.

and what has happened to them since coming home in april '08 has been basically the book is the chronicle of recovery. and that includes attempts, some good, some bad, to go in to the v.a. system primarily for mental health help. they had a tough time. anecdotally some have gotten terrific care. some have gotten abysmal care. what any would say to you, they went, they fought, these were not their wars, not their policies. they carried out policies, they did well. they came home. they were a little messed up by the experience. they want to get better they would all say they deserve an even playing field in their attempt to get meter. >> colonel manion your foundation about leadership and service to the degree you interact with those veterans of your son's and his best friend's age what kind of stories do you

hear, what is their level either of frustration or alienation from the v.a. system itself and trying the recover from some of the things that david talked about. >> i think what we're seeing, major, that there's a lot of opportunity for nonprofits to get in there and offer innovative solutions for these veterans. and we are working with the veterans in different ways. we're bringing social workers in, helping them transition in to new opportunities, new jobs. we're trying to take a holistic viewpoint in to what these young men and women need. and. >> is that one of the things that you think americans may be wondering this memorial day weekend what they could do, what i can do individually is to look to nonprofit or see what they might be able to offer? to fill in some of the gaps? >> certainly today you see a number of nonprofits out there doing innovative thing, addressing the needs that aren't being addressed and our government. i would say in the interim that

would be what i would definitely suggest that we need to get behind some of the efforts that are going on and support that, at least now and give them the backing that they need to work with the veterans to get the job done. >> you mentioned whistleblowers who came to you and also said this story in motion not just in phoenix but columbia, south carolina, augusta, georgia, pittsburgh, pennsylvania. not just one place. it is system-wide. the op ed in the "new york times" identifying as one of the whistleblowers, the justice department needed to get involved because people who will be kid by inspector general's office in the vet answer administration may not tell the truth either rer for fear of receipt provide walks, that's why you need criminal investigators do you think that is correct and next step that has to be taken to get to the bottom of this. >> criminal investigators, not necessarily. what i do think you have to understand that the system is

very deneutralized. there is over 150 hospitals and another 800 almost out-patient centers. you can't expect -- most effective way is to work with this is to -- have members of congress who care about the hospital or out-patient center in their district paying attention to it. and the local media paying attention to it. so the whistleblowers who can step forward or who choose to can be protected and the reporting and the pressure from the administration from congress in particular who gives the funding can be put where it needs to be. need to look at the individuals here, the individual hospitals, individual nursing homes, the v.a. nursing homes, it's a very mixed and matched record the v.a. does fine in some places and usually it's places wherever a lot of people from outside looking at that hospital including members of congress saying what is going on, what

are your staff. it is a decentralized system it needs to be treated that way in order to make it work individually for individuals. >> david, a moment ago dana mentioned that the bubble has moved. and soldiers you put together in your book followed in your first book now subsequent book are in that bubble that's moved. you have a story about someone driving to an appointment on the wrong day they're trying to squeeze themselves in because they forgot the right day for their own appointment, some of that is part of this story. what -- i'll give you the last word on this. do you think based on your reporting these veterans need most and are not being served best by through the v.a. >> well, if we're talking about psychological trauma, recovering from what war can do to you mentally. this is a tough population. you're exactly right. there is a point in the book where a very good soldier, needed help, is going to his

v.a. appointment and he messes up. it's the wrong day. and he and his wife fight about this the v.a. they figure a way to get him in. they adjust to his problem that day. but later in the book you'll see the same soldier again trying to get help and what happens that day is he's a good guy. he's just waiting to find out how shameful us as a human being because the way he thinks of himself. he goes in as soon as v.a. person doesn't listen closely enough to what he's saying the small window that's open for this guy to get help, down it comes, and the guy is out of this he doesn't want to get help again. no one did anything wrong in that case, the v.a. acted well, person didn't hear said tell me again what you said. opportunity lost. >> david finkel, author of "thank you for your service" colonel manion, author of "brothers forever" and dana priest investigative reporter of the "washington post" thank you very much. we'll be right back look at the

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this. your suit says the opposite. >> the evidence is really hundreds ever sworn affidavits from our clients dating back to the late 1960s. the focus here is that controlled dangerous substances have been regulated by state and federal law since 1970. and we as a society have said we are taking this out of the hands of regular people and putting this under the auspices of doctors. and druses are controlling it is procurement and distribution of controlled dangerous substances and prescription substances and it is not the choice of us individuals, whether you're an athlete or a fireman or a teacher to say, i am going to take this. i want to take that. we pit the responsibility with

the doctors and medical people and those medical people that work for the nfl have breached that trust and are in complete control over what is dispensed, how it's dispensed, what quantity it's dispensed. this is not a choice. the society where the responsibility is with the doctor and we trust the doctor. >> that trust was brine according to the lawsuit, what do you want to couple out of it? monetary damages, of course, but what remedial action do you want the nfl to take to address this? >> we want the nfl to expand the rosters so that players who are hurt have the opportunity to mend their injuries. we want the notify to provide independent -- the funding for independent physicians for active players to be able to monitor what the team doctors are saying or doing. because there's an in horn conflict of interest. >> very good. jarrett, what is your sense of

this lawsuit, how damaging is it for the nfl. >> on the heels of concussion lawsuit i think it's very troubling for the nfl because yet another pillar that really strikes to the fabric of the league and popularity of the league and things of that nature. some of the things that are reflected here have been addressed by the league in terms of the medical standards. i think more needs to be done, more can be done in this casts a light on some of those issues. i think just circle back for a second, to something that steve talked about. there are going to be a lot of questions about the personal responsibility of players and the context of this and within whole culture of the nfl. it's like a gladiator culture really and we've seen changes come with the concussion lawsuit in terms of how that is addressed. i think this will cast more light. >> legalities aside this is the next step in the explore rakes of violence in the game.

we've talked about concussions and ex pled that now putting focus on organ damage, knee damage, all this kind of stuff. now what is going to happen to the future of football. youth football, pop warner has had decline much 9.5% in participation between 2010 and 2012 when we cover story original rodger goodell in november of 2012, from 2007 to 2011 another step that tackle football participation kids between ages of 6-12 down 35%. no matter what the number is, less kids seems ton playing football. where are we going from there? >> steve, you said that the nfl has made billions ever dollars as result of drug use that would be prohibited for horses, what do you mean by that? >> what i mean by that, you have a culture of putting profit before players in the nfl. there is zero regulation inside the locker rooms, total disregard for the law and we

have clients that literally are being told one thing and ramifications are monstrous to them. for example -- >> hold on a second. jarrett, i want to ask you this you're in these harms. lawless places where players are treated like livestock? >> there is a meat market culture where the nfl. and there's so much pressure, it's inherent in the game. i think that is one of the things that really is underscored in all of this. players play this sport knowing that there are inherent risks. now the question is whether or not you are getting the medical attention that is really fair to the players and the ethics of the people who are treating the players. >> is this a 1970s and '80s problem that is largely addressed? >> it's gotten lot better from the nfl point of view. you hear from different recently retired players some say still a problem, some say they got excellent care. this suit at the very least

perhaps will make team doctors wake up and realize we've got to follow the rules. >> sports writer, sean gregory, jarrett bell, steve silverman wish we had more time. please stay with us go we'll be right back.

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>> in addition to honoring veterans we celebrate college graduates. with a look at some highlights from this year's commencement speeches. >> you are graduating today as most diverse class in yale's long history or as they call it in the nba donald sterling's worst nightmare. >> the truth is that brown versus board of ed isn't just about our history, it's about our future. because while that case was handed down 60 years ago, brown ask still being decided every single day. not just in our courts and schools but in how we live our lives. >> what is next for me? i don't know. so i'm in exactly the same boat as many of you. >> we're glad i never got to throw any football passes here on this lawn. so if you will indulge me i'm going to fulfill that dream

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