tv Face the Nation CBS June 15, 2014 8:30am-9:01am PDT
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>> schieffer: i'm bob schieffer this is face the make. the news from iraq overnight worse than ever and back home the republican party is in shock after one of its top leaders is defeated in his primary. we're going to start with iraq where suicide bombing attack has killed at least nine and injured 20 in central baghdad. possibly the first in a wave of attacks that have been announced by isis the al qaeda splinter gripe that is leading the movement against the iraqi government. in other regions in iraq, shiites marched in the streets to show they were ready to defend their homeland against the invaders. and what is left of the iraqi government forces now seem to be preparing to stand and fight setting up for showdown in baghdad. the president has ruled out sending ground troops to iraq
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but united states has moved aircraft carrier the iss george bush in to the region and president says he is weighing options but only if iraq institutes immediate reforms. we have two reports now from iraq and we're starting with clarissa ward in baghdad. >> good morning, bob. the situation continues to get worse and worse this morning a suicide bomber attacked location where iraqi soldiers go to buy their uniforms. we're hear can reports that at least 12 people were killed in that attack. meanwhile iraqi security forces do appear to be preparing some time of counter offensive. the iraqi army are assembling north of baghdad which is hem to one of the holiest shiite shrines while the u.s. is reluctant to get involved militarily here iran has no such problems they are throwing their support solidly behind the
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shiite government, cbs news can confirm that the head of the owe rarian paramilitary force is here in baghdad along with contingent of iranian fighters. >> schieffer: do you get any indication that prime minister malaki heard what the president said on friday about instituting reforms immediately? do you get any sense that he is taking the president's words seriously? >> well, actually quite to the contrary. what we're seeing here in terms of strategy is remobilizing shiite militia, flying in paramilitary forces, actions that only fan the flames of the sectarian division already exist here. what was so striking about when isis went in to the towns and cities, many moderates who don't espouse radical ideology welcomed them that's because over past few years the rest of
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the world is forgotten about iraq, malaki's government has been systematically disenfranchising the population and leaders it's not clear whether he has either political accumen or frankly motivation to try to bridge that gap. >> do you get any sense that iraq can actually be put back together? >> that is what so desperately scary when you talk to iraqis and politicians all have the same fears whether there is sunni or shiite they fear that this country is breaking apart. in a way that is irretrievable of course that is particularly frightening because it's accomplished that really threatens to consume the entire region. we could literally see all of the borders of this region be redrawn around sectarian lines. bob collar russ a ward. thanks so much, be careful now. now we want to go to iraq and cbs holly williams. you have been in northern iraq
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all week. what is the latest there? >> good morning, bob. islamic militants have swept three northern iraq and speed which they have towns and cities here especially earlier seem tough taken everyone by surprise. iraq's military which cost the u.s. billions of dollars to train and quip have not put up much of a fight. many soldiers laid down their weapons and deserted. we saw some of them lining up at airline office to buy tickets back to baghdad. they have also been helped by sympathetic locals. many people like the militants are sunni muslims. they are angry of the government which is dominated by shiite muslims. just 25 miles from her, second biggest city which was seized tuesday we've seen internet videos of militant parading through the streets to welcome
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from local people. now hundreds of thousands have fled. most of them have come through this check point where i am now in iraqi kurdistan which is relatively peaceful since theist invasion in 2003. moss of the refugees have told us they're not running away from the extremists, in fact they like them and say they're doing a good job. instead they say that they are fleeing because they fear that iraq's government will bomb their towns and cities to force out militants. >> schieffer: holly, you be careful now, thank you so much. we're joined in washington now by senator lindsey graham, republican of south carolina. he's been to iraq many times. he's been a critic of administration policy. what happened here? this seems leek just came out of no where. was the administration asleep at the wheel. there was an intelligence failure? was this the fault of malaki in iraq? how did this happen. >> kind of all of the above.
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you go back to 2010 and 2011 the perfect storm. we withdraw our forces in 2011 so the security environment falls apart. malaki without hand holding being pushed, obama administration had hands-off approach to the political problems in baghdad and syria. we had al qaeda and iraq the predecessor to isis, when syria bad they got reinforcements. all this came together, malaki is a flawed leader, he has to go. there's no way that malaki can bring this country back together. >> schieffer: you think he has to resign? >> i've been there so many times i can't count. and after we basically detached ourselves from iraq, petraeus and crocker would go in to his office, i was there with them a lot, pushing all three parties. what is heartbreaking that we had this place in a good spot. they were playing politics rather than killing each other. decision to withdraw u.s. forces
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created a vacuum, syria is launching pad, all come together, we need air power immediately to stop the advance toward baghdad. if the central government in iraq collapses, that's the goal of isis iran will own southern part of iraq, they can operate isais baghdad all the way in to syria. eventually march even jordan, lebanon, our best ally, they will attack us from that part of iraq and syria according to our own director of national intelligence, next 9/11 is coming from herement. >> schieffer: that's a very serious -- >> that's what they say i agree. >> schieffer: we could have another -- >> inevitable. the seeds of known are being planned all over iraq and sear california you don't have to believe me. this is what they're telling you. they're not hiding. they are going to take the king
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of jordan down because he's infidel in their eyes as much as and drive us out of the mid east by attacking us here at home. >> schieffer: says malaki has to put in reforms bring sunnis in to the government should our aid or whatever she do should depend on what he does. >> if you use air power i can kill civilians. if baghdad gets infected the government collapses that's worst case scenario. any assistance we provide needs to be coordinated with the political solution. you got acute military problem, got chronic political problem. there is no way in my view that malaki can pull this off. but there are people, your reporter mentioned something about the iraqi people. the average shiite doesn't want to be dominated. they don't want to live under isis rules. good news is average iraqi wants to move forward they have no infrastructure. iraqi air force grounded without
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american air power going to be hard to turn the tide. >> you heard the reports from there, iranians want to help, should we encourage them to help of all things ". >> we're probably need their help to hold baghdad. their goal create sectarian iraq. to have a puppet in baghdad that is shia dominated government they control outcome they want the southern part of iraq. our goal to have inclusive iraq. in the short term, deal with stall in because he was net a as bad as hitler we have some of dialogue with iranians, coordinate our efforts to put a line to the ear rayians don't use this crisis to take territory from the iraqi people. put them on notice that we will not accept their intervene in to iraq for purpose of creating a
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satellite state. >> you're saying you could see a situation where we have iranian forces fighting on the ground and u.s. air power serving as their air -- >> makes me sick to say it turkey needs to get involved to convince sunni arabs to get back in the game and keep the kurds breaking away then another front. iranians have an interest. their shia populations to correct. we need to all make sure baghdad doesn't fall so, yes, we need a dialogue of some kind with the iranians also need to put them on notice don't writes this crisis as way to create satellite state of iraq controlled by iran. >> schieffer: i can't let you leave without asking about republican politics, while the big story was eric cantor, the majority leader in the house getting beat last week in primary, you had stronger tea party force, you had an army, running against you -- and you
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won. you won by stressing that the republican party has to have some kind of path to citizenship for hispanics which is one of the big issues. what as a winner, what is your advice to your party this morning, senator? >> i don't think eric got beat because of his stand on immigration i think he got beat because of his lack of defining himself on immigration. i told the party that we're doing well because democrats are doing poorly. ultra liberal agenda, we're going to win in 2014 conservative values will connect with hispanics and african americans, don't be delusional where we stand. if we become the party of -- if that again is our position we're going to drive deeper wedge between us. pathway to citizenship after secure the border, control who gets the job, more legal immigration what they have to criminal background check, learn the english language, if 65%
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accepted in the state of south carolina republicans nationally will accept earned pathway to citizenship if you secure border far our party to let the 5% tell us how to engage with immigration. we will lose a natural ally in hispanic community, we're down to 27. never convince not because of the immigration if you solve immigration problem in a good american responsible way our party is back in the game we can dominate the 21th century. only answer for the republican party we will have destroyed our chances in 2016 and dealt death blow to our party by 2015 majority of this country will be african american, hispanic and asian. conservatism is the best hope for african american children.
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conservatism ale lines with hispanics, they're hard working, entrepreneurial, pro life, it will break my heart for my party to go down road that we did not go embrace, rational immigration reform that prevents a third wave of illegal immigration we're back in the ball game. if we don't adjust on this issue our chances for survival as party are very bleak and country needs a vibrant party. our democratic friends have put us back in the game. >> schieffer: lindsey graham. we'll be talking more about politics and republican party in part two of our broadcast. go back now to this news from overnight in iraq. perhaps nobody at cbs news spent mr. time in iraq over the years since first gulf war than cbs news correspondent than laura logan. this thing seems to be working
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all too well. it seems to be as these invaders came down on this march toward baghdad, everything seems to be clicking on all cylinders. well coordinated, who is running this thing? >> it's a very good question. because the leader of isis is the poet and floss fear and spiritual man, he's the one driving the vision of the state and governance that they want to institute. on the other side of that the military masterminds. there are number of them but among them there's the -- who we hear very little from who seems to be very powerful. then one of the others is man known as abu al iraqi who was hold, when he was released went over to the syria. but in syria has become a powerful force for isis. he's known as the prince over there. he believed to be recruiting people from syrian intelligence,
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has to be that on iraqi side of the border created structure that truly understands military movement on the battlefield. and not only how to take territory but hold it and defend it. >> schieffer: he's a former member of staple's army. >> and many, they are commanders, generals intelligence. that is why the u.s. military both civilian and military sources regard as troubling. once you put people in the fight who know, for example, the weapons that they have been seizing. you see here and there randomly that gives you something of an edge. what happens now, how to -- both in syria and iraq use knows efforts to change outcome of the war. >> schieffer: we'll talk about that because i think what they got over a hundred tanks now. >> the official list, u.s. leads
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behind -- left behind striker assault vehicles what they left behind as well which is particularly significant is missiles. that is the best that we have to bring down aircraft in the sky. all of these other assets, heavy weapons, increase capability of what your ground forces can do. the u.s. maintained dominance because of it's dominance of the skies. if you now remove your dominance make it difficult to fight taken away significant advantage that the u.s. has you've significantly changed the dynamics of what we face. if you have got hundreds of anti-aircraft missiles and helicopter. really have some from before, those are the kind of weapons that must be hopping iraqis still held on to.
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how much these guys have taken, there are reports this morning that military base was taken, that wouldn't be good at all. you have to think that the most significant weapons we have to hope are in baghdad and still in iraqi government hands. >> schieffer: thank you so much. always good to have you. we'll be back in one minute. i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards, even cash back. and my rewards points won't expire. so you can make owning a business even more rewarding. ink from chase. so you can. are the largest targets in the world, for every hacker, crook and nuisance in the world. but systems policed by hp's cyber security team
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seeing the results of that at this point. also by the way, senator graham was saying result of the break down of the border between syria and iraq. and-faux of a large number of foreign fighters in to the situation. >> schieffer: you know, i must say that a lot of people including senator graham who until couple of years ago if we leave there without leaving residual force this is exactly what is going to happen. >> i think what happened is this, think back, at the end of december 2011, united states forces that has been after eight and a half years of working in iraq. we tried to get agreement by iraqi government to provide protection to our soldiers needed. they wouldn't provide it. indeed if you think about the situation at that point, they politically couldn't provide it.
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>> schieffer: some people will understand the status, something that says, for example, if an american soldier is arrested or becomes captive of the israeli government they can take i am in to court, try him, we have no jurisdiction, we have never let troops in country without that kind of agreement at least not modern times. >> that's exactly right. >> schieffer: some people are saying should we have tried harder the get that force, because some are saying as you well know, looking for excuse to get out. >> we offered that agreement. you're right. our president, our military leadership are not going to allow our armed forces operate like that anywhere in the world without having appropriate protection. indeed politics in iraq wouldn't allow it to be forthcoming, my own personal judgment. also, by the way, been two and a half years since december 312, 2011, with iraqi government was
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given the space and time to put together the kind of inclusive government to deal with these issues, failed to do so. you have eight and half years up to that point two, and half years since then, we've had been engaged trying to support iraqis and this terrorism against this isis group. they resisted getting involved deeply in their security issues up until a year ago. >> schieffer: should the president order airstrikes now? he's obviously contemplating that. >> a number of things. i'll get to the airstrikes. we should short support the iraqi government. should provide more intelligence. we should provide do it in accelerated basis. we should provide advice with respect to making sure that the iraqis can get an iraqi ground force together. with respect to direct american action such as airstrikes, i think couple of things. first of all not a panacea, number two, it has to be done in
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coordination with things on the ground. has to be military purpose, number three need to be targets, this is i think what the white house is going through right now is asking those questions, i've been through number of these things, bob, as you know. need to have targets, a military plan, need to be coordinated with direct efforts most importantly any direct military action by united states needs to be done when we see that the iraqi government has actually pulled itself together politically. when you have a situation where you have mosul where 8 0 fighters and troops that's bigger problem than supply issues, logistical issues. it's morale issue, a management your military issue that is political issue. reason that the sunnis and western part of iraq have allowed this happen. i think over time this is not how the iraqi people want to live but this rellly is -- really is testament to the fact haven't had political inclusiveness that you need. any direct military action that
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i would recommend to the president needs to be confin dent -- contingent have inclusive government, bring in some of the confident military leaders that have been pushed out for political reasons and working for ground force. >> schieffer: we have 20 seconds here, is malaki just better if he resigned? >> not clear that he can pull this off at this point. we'll have to see. there is government formation underway see what iraqi people. last thing we have real problem here brewing in terms much foreign fighters coming back to europe and united states. >> schieffer: we have to end it there. back in a moment with personal thoughts. dad: he's our broker. he helps look after all our money. kid: do you pay him? dad: of course. kid: how much? dad: i don't know exactly. kid: what if you're not happy? does he have to pay you back? dad: nope. kid: why not? dad: it doesn't work that way. kid: why not?
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>> schieffer: who am i to say he's wrong? whether or not it was a miracle, why did congressional leaders get beat in years that end in 4? it was in 1994 that rereared long time house speaker tom fellly got beat by republican thought early on to have no chance. it was in 2004 that popular senate majority leader tom daschle lost his seat in a stunning upset. now, right on schedule, ten years later in 2014 the folks back home took down eric cantor. number two in the house republican leadership and the odds-on favorite to be next house speaker. every parent knows about the terrible 2s. but if i held a congressional leadership post who i'd worry about are the fearsome 4s. how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last.
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>> schieffer: welcome back. we'll turn from iraq to poll politics back home. chairman of the republican national committee. reince priebus. eric cantor got beat. how divided is the republican party? >> i don't think it's divided at all. you have districts that are 85% republican and more than one republican wants to be congressman and some cases more than one person wants to be a senator. i think in the regard to the cantor issue, i think tom price had it right. this past week when he said, look, when you're trying to be majority leader and eric did a great job of it. but it takes you all over this country. out of your district. pretty soon that good work you're doing nationally becomes liability locally.
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