,, >> good morning. i'm hugh boroughs in for ron. welcome to mosaic. thank you for being here. let's start with the obvious. islamist networks group. what is that? >> ing was founded in 1993 as an outreach nonprofit that originally focused on conveying to the public what believed,

practiced, are into and then through the years, we've had different arations. we reach out to schools, universities, colleges, and along the line, we also began doing cultural constancy work with law enforcement and with social service providers and educators and then in 2007, we got a new program where we provide interfaith education with panels of either jewish, muslim, abrahamic faith or the five major faith to talk about contemporary issues of faith and been doing that for five years. >> let's walk backwards. five major faith.

>> judaism, islam, christianty, buddhist, muslim. how do you do a better job providing service to your muslim patient? which in turn then enables you to do a better job and the patient is happy. it's kind of a win/win situation. we begin our presentations with a general overview with what it means to be a muslim because you can't really talk about interacting with your muslim patient if you don't know a little bit about islam and then we go into some of the specifics. you know, what do you do if you have a female patient with the head scarf? do you want to not have any males go in the room? what are the dietary restrictions and the patient who needs to pray and they're handicapped, how can they do that? end of life issues. we've done a few end of line

panels. what are the specific things people want to know with a muslim patient at the end of life or an organ transplant, euthanasia. we get into the nitty-gritty. >> it's important, by the way, folks to talk about the end of life issues an get the work out before you get in the hospital as the loved one to make last minute decisions. you really began with, we began talking about if the patient or person is muslim. what do you say off the bat? >> if you have a muslim patient? >> yes. >> we do the islamic greeting, which we inform people is a great way to open doors to break the ice to show the patient or the student or whatever it is that you know a little bit about their culture and then we always encourage them to ask. if you're not sure, ask.

don't assume if a man was wearing a head scarf, she doesn't want a male bringing the snack. someone put a sign, no men allowed which i never asked them to do and i was missing my snack. so we informed them, just tell them to knock on the door and give the woman a chance to put opposite a head scarf. just little things. we'll >> we'll be right back after this. stay with us. ,,,,

>> tell us more about what we need to know about your network, about services, how we can be involved. >> sure. so like i said, we have basically three programs and then we also put a lot of our content online. >> remind us of the three programs. >> the three programs includes the first one, islamic speakers borough with what it means to be muslim with terminology. a lot of people can't distinguish between muslim and islam. islamist, how to use the terms. demographics, where do muslims come from in the world and most american muslims hail from, some of the history, people don't realize muslims are part of the american history according to research before columbus but definitely after columbus with a percentage of african slaves, we talk a little bit about that. we talk about notable american much, it's a growing number.

people don't realize. dr. mamed oz, that's the turkish way to say muhammad. and here in the bay area, south asian muslim. so we just kind of put in perspective because part of the problem islam faces in the country is that it's a newcomer on the block and people don't know about it and all the news is generally negative. and young people going off to harvard and becoming lawyers and engineers. we try to convey that and talk about basic beliefs and practices and people are generally surprised to learn muslims are similar to the abrahamic faith because they believe in profits, the day of

judgment and arabic. >> you've got an organization that can give you a call -- >> people want to learn a little bit more about the faith. we go to school and people's homes. if they have a little book club, we go to rotary clubs. we go to anywhere that people want to learn a little bit more. >> that's program one. program two is what? >> program two is the culture of constancy which is mainly healthcare, law enforcement, which we detail for more programmed needs. and then we take the same model instead of taking once, we take two, three or five speakers. we also look for speakers. if you like to speak and young people, we're always open to having new speakers and they talk about a topic of choice of the person requesting the

presentation. could be shared values or living the faith in the bay area or contemporary issues like the environment. so every speaker will briefly talk about their faith and just then jump into the topic. with the panel, we learn a lot about each other. >> interfaith panel. >> exactly. we have the muslim speaker talking about the environment, the jewish speaker talking about the environment, the christian speaker and have a lot in common and we learn about our commonalities. >> you help people distinguish between use of islam, muslim, and islamic. >> help me here. >> islam is a religion. it's usually translated to mean permission to god or peace. so when people say islam is peace, it comes from the origin

because what means peace in arabic is the same root as easy lamb and a practicer in is a muslim one who submits or practices peace. you would not refer as an islamic person, just an islamic art or networks that you wouldn't call someone an islamic person but a muslim. >> there. there. john tally. thank you very much. i wasn't clear on all of that. i'll be right back. stay with us. ,,,,,,,,,,,,

>> she's talking about matters islam, particular, her group, the islamic networks group. who are you? how did you get into this?

>> i'm the director. we present things in a way that's not prophettizing in schools, we're breaking law then. we try to be talking about religion the way we talk about any other religion. >> you live in the east bay. >> i live in the east bay. >> you here originally? >> my dad originally from india, came here 55 years ago for his ph.d. and my mom, caucasian origin. my mother converted, it was a slow process of learning for the entire family because there weren't a lot of muslims there. by the time i was in high school, i was fairly practicing. i grew up in colorado and not a lot there. misunderstandings during the iran hostage crisis, so i found

myself in high school having to explain things and be a bridge and stuff. always see myself as a bridge between cultures between religion, just try to help the world understand each other better because i'm fully american, fully muslim and i don't see any contradiction in either. i can be both. i love america and my religion. the more i can help people see it, the better i feel about myself. >> you enjoy what you do. >> there are challenging moments. some audiences will have someone who's there to kind of give you a hard time but if you're patient and sincere, usually by the end of it, they learn more and hope any overcome some of the stereotypes people have and all humans have stereotypes. we have to be able to recognize that. >> one of the things to take away from the interview is that

what amina just said, fully american and fully islamic practicing, it's just neighbors next door and it's a matter of learning about one another. tell us about your organization and how we can get in touch with you. >> it's islamic networks group. ing.org. we actually provide all of the information about all of our different programs that people can go on the web site and request a presentation. also, for educators, they can access a lot of our curriculum online and be able to download that. so ing.org and anyone interested in becoming an interface speaker, you're welcome. >> thank you for coming on mosaic. amina, thank you very much and ing.com. attack advantage of that.

we'll be back. appreciate it very much. ,,,,,,,,

>> welcome back. we're joined now by stephen salinas who's written a children's book. entitled catholic churches big and small. welcome, welcome. glad you're here. this is illustrated in san francisco. >> correct, correct. >> how did you get an idea to do this? >> i thought of the idea several years ago because i read, one time, a writer said if you're going to write about something, write about something you'll interested in because it will take you two years to work on it and two

years to promote it. when i was a wee little one, i loved the architecture of catholic churches and other faiths, temples as well. as an artist, there's an interest in spirituality, the mix of making a space that we can collect in that will take us hopefully to a higher place, something beyond the material. and then when i started looking around for examples, few and far, those are the oklahoma catholic churches. we started piecing it together. i want to be able to personally visit every church and not just

focus on the grand ones, and two different styles and catholic churches big and small. and the mosaics and these are symbols. here is that san francisco. what do we see?

>> i want to get them beyond and tell them through the eyes of the children which is for adults as well. you're going to tell us about the architecture and the symbols, so if we go for probably the best known symbol of roman catholicism, it's that. >> why is a cathedral? >> it's the head church in catholic region.

larger diocese. >> that's a faithful -- called the washing machine. basically, it's the hat of the bishop. maybe it's stirring things up a little bit. that's one they think i have yet to see with churches or when you watch television shows, one or two, the same old looking stereotypical romannesque church. but there's variety. >> one of the things you focus on, those things which are the same. so going to bring up another image for us here. and now on the left, what part of the church are we looking at there? >> this is behind the ultra.

we have a beautiful painting from the left. it's on the right, st. thomas. who are the figures there? >> i need to look at them of course. and paintings depict biblical scenes and the teaching through painting. and the one on the right -- >> jesus himself. holding up the risen christ and i like how the art tells a story with a different tune. the one to the left of me is like a hallelujah chorus and the right, is a modern glass stark. >> particular church in san francisco or? >> st. thomas is the one on the right. and the left is st. bonafit.

>> let's go on. this is great. we have here now, it looks like stain glass windows the me and stain glass windows throughout the middle ages were used to tell stories and this one, tell us about the one on the left. >> the one on the left, this is jesus turning the water into wine and the wedding. the one on the right is blessed mother, the virgin mary and we -- this is something that, the one on the left is st. vincent na pal church and the right is st. paul the ship wreck. >> very different artistic renderings. and the symbolism, again, i love the water into wine. i see jesus sitting there.

here's what i want to do about it. and mom, i don't do that kind of stuff but he did and the idea was that you save the best wine for last. it's the analogy of the late coming of christ in the jewish story. the one on the right, you don't have to interpret this for us. but you've got symbols on either side of the virgin and then you've got three images. so very powerful why the spirit coming down. >> that's a dove. a descending dove. these cop say biblical stories and theological messages. let's go on. let's see what he's got for us here. all right. now here's your church. tell us basically, because a lot of your book, catholic churches big and small, is explaning churches,

architecture. walk us through this picture. >> this is a star the c and here's an example of the next page with the interior but shows kind of the basic cruciform they try. it's the shape of a crucifix, a cross. >> i wouldn't mind a crucifix. not a cross. >> saluting myself. the main part, the sanctuary is where the priest and the accolades perform their duty.

the entrance of the front window. it's called the crossing where there's on either side. >> what do you do besides write children's books? >> i work on illustrations and paintings. >> are these illustrations? >> yes, i illustrated it. and i've been lucky enough to get a few commissions after i've been working on this. and negotiating with the wolf. and i've done an icon of the holy spirit this descending in the church of the visitation and these were all blessings. this stuff, i've loved all my life. and for me, and meditation,

it's really a way to just go beyond something that you want to have in a museum or this is something where it's a tool. it's a tool to help us get to something better, you know? i mean, this book is just a tool. >> the spiritual journey, you started out as a spiritualist and then unitarianism -- >> three years ago. >> 30 seconds. why roman catholicism? >> i've been interested in many religions but a lot of friends are catholic and i started working alongside catholics and volunteering alongside catholics. but it wasn't just that. >> stefan, we've got to go. stefan salinas, catholic churches big and small. thank you.

we'll see you again next month.

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