>> schieffer: and welcome back now to face the nation. we want to first give you an update on that 6.0 earthquake out in northern california that struck overnight there and now reports of dozens of injuries, ,,,,,,,,,, unwind with tide, downy, and bounce. when you're awake and can't sleep an ounce, the sweet dreams collection is so relaxing, including two serious. these reports are coming in from the associated press. so you can tuck in and turn off after a day oh so taxing. there are also several significant fires and power tide, downy, and bounce. outages in the region as well. official products of the national sleep foundation. we will keep you posted as the developments come in. there were protests again last might in the city of ferguson, missouri, following the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager by a white police officer, but the demonstrations were far smaller in scope than they had been earlier last week. a funeral for michael brown will be held monday, congressman william lacy clay represents ferguson and he will be among the speakers at the service. he joins us now from st. louis,

congressman, thank you so much for coming in this morning. we learned last night that the president has now ordered a review of this program that allows the pentagon to sell and give military combat equipment, surplus equipment, of course, to various police forces around the country. do you think this program ought to be just flat ended? >> well, i applaud and appreciate the president's quick action on the 1033 program as you know earlier this week, congressman cleaver and myself met with secretary of defense hagel about the program, because i was so alarmed when i went to ferguson and walked with the demonstrators and saw this heavily armed police force, tactical unit point a sniper rifles at my constituents who were there exercising their constitutional rights and so that is what alarmed me and i

applaud and appreciate the president's quick response to our concerns. >> you, congressman, are going to be speaking at the brown funeral tomorrow. are you concerned that the funeral might reignite the tensions there? >> i am not really concerned about the funeral reigniting the tensions. i guess what i am most concerned about, and i made a promise to michael brown's parents that i would do everything to bring all of the resources of the federal government to this investigation so that it is transparent, so that it is a viable investigation and we bet to the truth. now, i am more concerned that if we do not get to the truth and get to what actually happened and bring justice to this situation, then there is going to be a problem in the streets. >> schieffer: what do you think the first thing that needs

to be done down there right now? >> right now is to improve police-community relations. there needs to be a frank discussion about how we change the way the african-american community is policed. these people were sworn to serve and protect and apparently that is not happening here. and so we have to change that dynamic. i think police should be required to wear a body camera and i think each car, each police car should be equipped with a camera, so that when incidents like this occur in the future, there is no dispute. it is all on tape and then we can sort out the evidence in a clear way. >> all right.

well, congressman, thank you so much, and all of the nation will be thinking about you at this funeral tomorrow and the brown family, of course. we want to talk about more about all of this, the news both foreign and domestic joined by our panel this morning, cbs corresponcorrespondent margaretn is back along with david rohde of router and washington bureau chief susan page and i also want to say we hoped to have washington post reporter my nia-malika any with us this morning but just a few minutes ago her office told her to come back to the newspaper to supervise their earthquake coverage, so i guess we are fall the news business and we all understand this. susan, how far has ferguson setback race relations in this country? or has it? >> you know i think what it has done is reminded americans about some of the racial problems that persist and boy it spotlights once again the chasm between the whites and blacks tend to see issues like this, you know, the

whites thought, two-thirds thought the black went too par in ferguson so maybe if we think we have an african american president we have an african-american attorne attorny general, a lot of us think we have made real progress in race relation has this is a reminder of how far we still have to go. >> well it brings back to those of us a of a certain age that would be me, of course, what we saw in the oj trial, the oj simpson trial where the perception just split right down the middle how it was viewed by one community and how it was viewed by another. let's talk about this situation in isis and all of that. park rhett, you were talking about there is -- there is planning at least underway at the pentagon about striking back, maybe even into syria, i think it is going to be very, very difficult to get the congress to agree on any kind of plan at this point, when you

stop to think about it when did the president extend up this half million dollars request, not half million, but $500 million. >> train and equip program for the syrian rebels, that was just a few months ago. >> yes, it just sat there, nobody seemed to think well we will get around to it when we get around to it. >> right. and that wouldn't be funded until 2015, so there is not necessarily a quick reaction to the isis threat on that level, at least there is a smaller covert program to train some rebels, but building up an army to fight isis doesn't happen overnight. certainly some programs could be launched, the one of the other challenges here beyond congress is getting an arab country in the region to agree to host such a train and equip program, because so many fear then becoming a target if they take in these fighters to, fighters to make them actually be a standing force. >> has anybody said oh let us do that. >> the jordanians are reluctant.

>> there is some training they allow the u.s. to conduct for special forces for iraqis and others but there is real reluctance to advertise that, because then it is seen as you are in the game. but bigger picture, it needs to be articulated before the president goes to congress or speaks to the public here and it is not clear that there is one that the president is comfortable taking, at least not a position yet publicly that would marry him to military action. >> schieffer: david a allen talked to you about something you are uniquely qualified to discuss and that is this idea of these captives, these enormous ransoms these people are asking, you know a little something about that because you were taken captive by the taliban and held for how long? what, seven months? >> seven months, yes. >> in afghanistan, later moved over to pakistan. is it time for the united states to review the strategy we have? we flatly say we don't pay ransom to terrorists and i think

reasons for that are understandable, but other countries are, and that is what is complicating this. >> yes. i think it is a time, it is the time for the international community to talk about in lack of a strategy. i agree with the american approach which is to the, to be fair to the other countries the u.s. government doesn't pay ransoms but if a family or organization can pay a ransom the u.s. will turn a blind eye to that. the problem is that the european countries, france, we saw this in the foley case he was held with french hostages, spanish hostages, danish hostages, they were all ransomed, jim foley is dead and when these governments pay ransoms in the millions of dollars no family can compete with that, the foley family couldn't compete with that and it is not working, there is one estimate that al qaeda affiliates have got 10,125,000,000 in ransom primarily from european governments just in the last five years. >> what do you think the impact of the foley killing is going to be, susan? my sense is that it

was a macabre kind of way a wakeup call, certainly we saw the statements coming out of the pentagon this week, they took a much sharper edge as it were. is that reflecting what is going on at the pentagon or i mean at the white house or do you think that the state department and the pentagon pay be ahead of the white house on this? >> you know, i think this could be a real turning point. you had mike morales saying this ♪ is the most complex terrorism problem he ever encountered what kind of statement is that from someone who is a career cia intelligence operative? that is ♪ a terrifying statement from your previous guest and i think it is really, the horrific, the horrific scene there i think is has really touched a lot of great rates for great rides. americans the question is, what has been the impact on president geico motorcycle, see how much you could save. obama? because we have seen in the past president obama has at times talked pretty tough but he today, more and more people with type 2 diabetes has been kind of allergic to military action when it comes are learning about long-acting levemir®, right down to it. does this change his calculus of an injectable insulin that can give you what to do? that i think is the blood sugar control for up to 24 hours. question to watch. >> president goss on vacation and levemir® helps lower your a1c.

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to do, david, and margaret, with swelling of your face, tongue or throat, just the fact that america is coming out of two very long sweating, extreme drowsiness, dizziness, or confusion. wars? the country is really stick of war. (male announcer) today's the day to ask your doctor i don't think there is any question about that. about levemir® flextouch. it is almost we are seeing a covered by nearly all health insurance feeling almost as if it was and medicare plans. before world war ii, when the nation was sick of war and you had a strong isolationist tis the one you want to be thee cleanest. but using bleach leaves some stains behind. atmosphere in this country, led as this dye reveals. by lindbergh who says we have to stay out of wars. lysol toilet bowl cleaner does more. it removes the tough stains that bleach doesn't in many ways, we are in kind of and it also disinfects. a situation like that right now, that's healthing. because this threat -- and i agree with these assessments. this is a group of people unlike anything we have really dealt with, even on the terrorist front up until now. >> well, i think one of the problems with the statements, you know, the american public is war wary they may very well be but the national security community can never afford to be and many policy makers i mean i remember sitting in briefings back in october of 2013 of the state department where they were

warning about the high number of suicide bombings that were spiking in iraq, about the lack of a border between iraq and syria, and certainly the intelligence community has been warning about this for some time. so within the national security establishment has said they have been worried, and there hasn't been a follow through on strategy in a more robust way i think there are legitimate questions to be asked there about why it would seem there is a degree of ketchup being played. i think -- i want to come back to one of the things that david was talking about with the prisoner question there is a lot of frustration among some of these families, these hostages that not enough is done and i think this question of what happened with the decision to swap sergeant bergdahl for some prisoners in that were held at guantanamo bay also also brought to to the forefront what precedent if any has been set there and perhaps should if not money be prisoner squats or things considered. i am not saying it is legitimate but i am saying the question is now being raised. >> let's take a break and come

back and talk about this and some of the other news of the week when we come back. >>

>> and back now to talk about the news of the week, david, we talk about the search for isis and trying to find these bases, there is another equally intense search going on, margaret touched on it, and that is the search for arab allies to help us in this deal. >> yes. and i think that is at that. >> a key issue and talk about this also can the president sort of move american public opinion to get citizens to support a limited effort and get the arab state to back us, i think americans are skeptical we don't have allies in this region. there is good news the kurds have been fighting well, they retook that dam near mosul. i think there are allies and i think we need to have a long-term strategy to arm and train local forces, most people don't like the islamic state,

most muslims are horrified and disgusted by the killing of jim foley, the president needs to lead on that, he gave a much stronger statement then went golfing and that was the first clear vision i heard about him about the threat we face and he heeds to now respond and describe a new strategy that is not bootsma on the ground george bush style but not, you know, just drones, you know, barack obama first term style. >> you saw today isis is out there taking credit and you have seen some syrian activists talking about the fact they have taken and air base in syria that was controlled by the syrian regime. with where you saw the assad regime sort of be complicit in the rise of isis according to some diplomats now you are seeing out right fighting between the two and this idea circulating out there may be the u.s. should partner with someone they call a war criminal to take on isis. the reason that question is even being raised is because of what david is talking about, not really having a clear ally in the region, in terms of arab

countries being willing to fight alongside the u.s. on this one but also because while u.s. air strikes are backed up by movements on the ground by kurds and iraqi army in iraq, in syria, there is no, sirrian moderate syrian moderate opposition that backs up army, what is air strikes and what is that strategy going to be if you get a coalition to hit through some coordinated action. >> well it wasn't so long ago when there was a debate in the administration whether we should give some sort of support to those -- to the good syrian rebels that are fighting assad .. we famous lino now secretary clinton wanted to do that, the president vetoed it. and that was about a year ago, wasn't it? >> right. well almost exactly a year ago the u.s. was having a conversation about strikes against the syrian regime and those were called off and almost exactly a year later we are talking about hitting what the u.s. sees as a new enemy, isis

here. isis has been fighting the moderate rebels that we have been saying we have been supporting. they have been at war with each other. and so in the absence of alternatives you are left with these two very dirty partners here, right? you go with isis you go with the assad regime. it is not clear what the u.s. can do if they can quickly train moderates to step up and fill that gap or whether they even want to. >> schieffer: susan let's talk a little bit about paul ryan coming out with this book where it turns out he was very strongly against shutting down the government. he didn't say much about it at the time when republicans did that, but i suppose he is laying the groundwork to run for president if it works out, but he is taking the first early stems. i think he is far from making that decision. >> i have a slightly different situation. i went to an interview about his book about ten days ago and i got the impression he is somebody we haven't seen in town

for a long time and that is a legislator. he is taking over the house ways and means committee in the new congress. he wants to do a big tax overhaul and deal with entitlements and i think the impression, he cares as much about instituting the policy as he does about getting the -- that isn't to say he wouldn't like to be president or run for president but he is just 44 years old now. i really got the impression he might just focus on congress and how long has it been since we have had somebody who actually wants to pass legislation in congress? >> schieffer: well, and being the chairman of the house ways and means committee which is where all tax bills originate in the congress, is no small chairmanship. that is probably the most powerful post i would say on capitol hill once you get past the leadership, the speaker and so forth. >> we used to call it the powerhouse ways and means committee and we stopped calling it that because so little gets

done but we saw murray, the democratic chairman make a deal on the budget in just a couple of months ago, so maybe there is some possibility foreseeing something happening on the hill that puts to shame the last couple of years when everything has been -- >> schieffer: and, you know, the other part, talking about paul ryan and whether or not he is going to run, this little joint appearance he made with mitt romney, the other day, where he said, when he sort of teased him about whether he was going to run again. i in the back of he mind tend to think if thinks break right and republicans can't kind of figure out where they want to go, mitt romney might be the nominee again. nobody has told me that, but again, this just keeps popping up. >> i interviewed mitt romney's wife after the election, and i asked her if he might run again thinking she would say never again, we will never do this. she did not rule that out. i think it is possible that you could, you know, people have run for president often kind of like

it and want to run again and again. we saw somebody like george mcgovern and even after they have been defeated want to run >> i never felt anything like again. so i agree. i think it is possible to see a that before. it felt like, you know, you're scenario where mitt romney runs inside a snowglobe when they're again, could even once again be shaking it really hard. the republican nominee. >> northern california is >> all right, u susan page, thak rattled by the most powerful you guys. earthquake there in 25 years. we will be back with a preview of a new memorial in washington. dozens of people are hurt and untold damage is done to the so stay with us. region's booming wine industry. >> it puts a lump in your >> hey, buddy, how are you throat, you know, that there's doing? that much going down the drain >> good. and not down yours. doing? >> gooit makes me happy to go on the computer. an american held hostage for two years by islamic militants is set free while authorities begin to close in on the isis terrorist believed to have executed u.s. journalist james foley. >> we are close. and bridge breach. another security breakdown at the brooklyn bridge as a man scales the cable and reaches the tower in broad daylight.

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>> washington's great memorials and mounts are really an index of american values. signs to the world that what we honor, what we consider important. this, another memorial is opening and is long over due it recognizes those that have been disabled for life defending their country. >> one of the driving forces behind the memorial is actor gary sinise, who became an activist for the disabled after playing a disabled vet in the movie forrest gump. >> in the nineties when i played lieutenant dan, that's when i

got involved with the wounded through the dav, disabled veteran americans organization and invited me to their national convention, and i really didn't know what to expect and i walked out on that stage and i saw 2,000 injured service members applauding me for playing a role and it was very, very moving and stayed actively involved with the dav now for going on 20 years and have been involved with the memorial here for about the last eight years or so. >> schieffer: decades in the making the memorial will occupy a prominent site at the foot of capitol hill and once completed will feature a huge fountain. >> for sinise it comes not a minute too soon. >> there are over 3 million who live on with amputations and traumatic brain injury and severe burns and blindness and mental illness because of their, from the things they have seen and to have them come here and

to be able to feel that the nation has recognized their sacrifices and is honoring them with a special tribute is going to be very special, i think. >> schieffer: sinise has literally spent years holding benefits, visiting wounded vets and lobbying for their cause. the memorial he hopes will help america to better know and understand their story. >> what do you hope people get out of this? >> well, i hope it heightens awareness, awareness is so much a part of helping to heal, and to support these folks. >> so many people aren't really aware. if you don't have a personal relationship with somebody in the service most of the country is disconnected from the military. yet we are fighting wars all the time. we are always deploying somewhere. we just want pokes to remember the cost of war, these are our defenders, they are our freedom providers, they go out there and they serve their country and sometimes bad things happen and they get killed or they get

injured and they have to live with their injuries. this place i hope will just raise awareness, continue to keep awareness up, somebody coming here who has no relationship with a wounded soldier may leave here and decide, you know what? i am going to look for the veterans in my community in my hometown and see if they need assistance. that is an important thing. if he every community around this country took care of their veterans and just said look we appreciate your service, we know you have been going through a tough time, we are here to help you, we would have our problem solved. >> schieffer: washington's newest memorial opens in october, a tribute to the millions who gave so much but a testament as well to the awful cost of war.

>> schieffer: well, that's it for us today b sure to tune in to the cbs evening news tonight and cbs this morning tomorrow for the latest on the earthquake in california, and thank all of you for watching face the nation. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org