>> rose: clarissa ward is here along with mike morell and "washington post" columnist david ignatious. let me go, mike, first to this question of lone wolves and home grown terror. what do you make and what do you assess from canada and the u.s. and new york? >> so, charlie, we have had three attacks in the last week. two in canada, one in new york city. and there was terrorist attack in united states last week, media sort of didn't pay a lot of attention to it, but there was. also in last month we've had arrests in australia, malaysia, france and united kingdom arresting people who are planning attacks. this is a very significant threat, self radicalization

inspired by isis message. >> rose: how do you combat it? >> you have to cam bat it whole number of ways. you have to be on these websites where these individuals are going and getting radicalized and when they talk about violence and committing violence you have to investigate them. and you also have to take on the narrative, not something the united states can do by itself, we need the help of allies and moderate clerics to be able to fight this. >> rose: this is tougher than has been going on in the middle east. >> yes. also add that one of the problems we have now the former director of the national counter terrorism center is what ed snowden did made both law enforcement against this problem and intelligence against this problem for difficult. >> rose: you have talked to people who have been recruited. what is it that attracts them? >> i think sometimes we forget that there is a real ideology behind this. this isn't just a bunch of psychopaths who see people getting beheaded online think i

want a part of that. there is a perception that they are the vic testimonies of a war that the west is waging against islam. and so there's annie peel that comes with essentially trying to be a hero and go in and defend your religion and defend the innocent muslims being persecuted. that's the first thing. the second thing when you look at the shift in recruitment much radicalization, you just touched on this, the whole to which internet is playing. people are not being recruited any longer in mosques by clerics with very foreign sounding names. they're being recruited online, behind closed doors by people who speak their language, by people who they may even know who come from their own country which is why some sorts are calling fledgling jihad. sometimes the families don't know. the question becomes, if you don't know that your own son or daughter is being radicalized online how can authorities monitor that. >> rose: in the sense the message is, feeding in to a

grievance, a place where you can join a crusade against them. >> this is a real battlefield where muslims are taking the law in to their own hands, so to speak, fighting back against the oppression of the west. they look at the invasions of iraq and afghanistan, they look at drone strikes and they believe fundamentally that the u.s. wants to obliterate islam. that is their ideology. >> rose: young women are included as well. >> they are. it's amazing to see how many young women are going over to join isis or marry jihadi fighters i think sometimes we forget all of this that there is certain romance to the narrative of jihad as well. very young teenage girl living sort of middle class suburban live in the u.k. or u.s. or canada or wherever it may be and suddenly you're talking online to this brave, handsome young warrior who is risking his life to fight jihad there is a real romance to that narrative especially for a -- >> rose: we need message to

counter act that make sure it's not against islam. on the ground you were just in the middle east where do we stand in the fight against isis and the iraqi made a difference. >> i just got back from lebanon and jordan which are both next to these wars, one in syria, one in iraq. i found people who were anxious, who wanted to see what the u.s. strategy for combating this problem was, who were in some cases be very impatient as u.s. slowly moves in to its -- >> rose: from the united states and is it u.s. leadership they think is essential? >> i think that people in the region are comfortable with president obama's statement that the arab muslim world has to take the lead. that the boots on the ground have to be principally in iraq, iraqis from the kurdish part of

the country, new sunni national guard in the sunni areas. shia fighters in the army of iraq, in serious more complicated because boots on the ground have to be created. but again there's an idea the administration has. emphasize coming back from there is that time is really slipping away. that people have been waiting now for a month for signs that the u.s. is serious. take the national guard in iraq, sunnis are ready in the tribes, i think, to join up with this force. yet the weeks passed it hasn't been created yet, if they can move quickly -- >> rose: to do to make them understand the appreciates the time dimension. >> get the formation of sunni national guard units in iraq with major are tribal leadership, 5,000 people moving toward training in the next two weeks that be would crucial. if you could also get a statement by the president that the u.s. advisors will travel in

to combat areas with those forces that would be crucial. >> rose: i think that we have to be careful that we don't get impatient here. the president made it very clear this is going to take a very long time and he's absolutely right. my sense where we are on iraq side of the border is, in those cases where we've had good forces, iraqi side, we have done well. we've also made a conscious decision, charlie, not to take weak forces in to battle. we have to make sure that when we take these forces in to battle they're going to be effective. and that is going to take some time. so let's not get impatient here. other thing i'd say on advisors is, i would move from the brigade level to the forward operating base level in terms much advisors. but i would not put advisors with units that are actually doing the fighting. the reason i wouldn't do that, at the end of the day the iraqis have to fight this war themselves and when you put -- take a u.s. special forces guy and put him in a unit they

become michael jordan, superman. they take over the fighting. iraqis have to do this themselves. i'd be a little cautious about putting u.s. special forces right on the ground with the guys doing the fighting. >> rose: just take moment to talk about afghanistan, too. we saw today the marines leaving camp leatherneck. when you look at that war which all of you have participated in terms of different capacities of journalism, in the cia, after 13 years what do we say about what we achieved, appreciating the loss in blood and treasure? >> i think it's difficult to make that statement just yet. i think we have to watch what happens over the coming years. december 31 was the official end to combat operations but obviously there were lessons learned in iraq so we are leaving just under 10,000 u.s. troops, 2,000 nato troops and continue to advise and train the afghan army but the world will

be smaller contingency of special operation forces who will continue to launch counter terrorism rates raids as well. one that struck me when i went to afghanistan, i went to the base in the pesh river valley, some of the hottest activity lot of americans died there. they had this hand this base over to the afghan troops there were flags and anthems like we saw today. within a month, the taliban had closed down the road that would allow the afghan army to get their logistics and supplies they weren't able -- couldn't get food, water, munition, they went in to survival mode they stripped the base completely bear. they weren't going out on their patrol within another couple of months americans had to come back in, retrain and rebuild the entire base. and that -- very much hoping to avoid that scenario or the repeat. but so far i don't think there are any guarantees. >> rose: mike, when you look

at the front page story in the "new york times" today about what happened to jim foley including water boarding. they say, well that's what the americans did. >> my mind, charlie, no equivalency. what the united states did to a very small number of senior al qaeda operatives, the worst of the worst, was used to get information to stop attacks that were going to kill americans. that was the intent. the intent here on the part of isis just punishment. >> rose: punish: one last question about allies there. what success are we getting from sunni arabs in convincing soup knee militias and provinces to come fight against isis and not stay on the fence. >> charlie, u.s. commanders think that they have several dozen sunni tribal leaders in iraq who are prepared to move toward a program that would be a kind of sunni national guard. we'll see in the next couple of weeks whether that is real or

not. i think going this broader question of long haul fight, things don't involve boots or bullets. changing the education system in the muslim middle east so that people aren't radicalized. it's working with prisoners that will become schools for jihaddists, finding way to talk good sense online to young people. as much as the u.s. needs to work with allies to crank up the fighting side of this, i really hope they're paying attention to the long run. this really is generational issue and unless more money and effort goes in to that it's going to be the same thing every few years, i fear. >> rose: thank you, david. thank you mike. thank you, clarissa. we'll be back to talk about mid term elections and politics.

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battleground tracker joining us today amy walters, david leonhardt and cbs political news director of director and cbs news nancy corder, having said all of that -- give us a snapshot of the moment. >> snapshot republicans go in to the final week with the edge to retake the senate. big picture we think they will get at least 51 seats for majority. wouldn't be surprise understand they get 52. but they haven't sewn it up yet. when it gets lit on election night on that second or third cup of coffee we'll look at three races, our results suggest. going to come down to iowa, to colorado and georgia. those three wins the senate. >> rose: takes us to colorado. colorado is fascinating president bush won it twice and obama ma flipped it. mid term electorate is for favorable to -- democratic

incumbent mark udall leading to gardener. the question here really is, are democrats going to be able to turn out young voters and latinos and others in mid term year to resist this republican. >> rose: is the focus on this senate race most typical of the nation that we can learn most from? >> it actually isn't. because -- all right. i think colorado -- hold on. i'm going to bring you back a little bit. colorado and iowa are going to be very important. republicans this map is always benefited them. these are red states up in mid term year. they should be able to win those red states and control the senate. but if a place like colorado, iowa or new hampshire, that they need to be able to win a national election for 2016. we're all going to be focusing very much especially on colorado and as david said been swinging back and forth to see if that

republicans can figure out the magic to be able to win in place they needy electoral college. >> rose: how much factor is the democratic ground game? >> that's the factor. there are whole bunch of republicans have post traumatic stress thinking about the ground game. up in polls in the 2010 election. then losing on the ground in that election. obama was going to made very close race in 2012 is big win. republicans say we have right candidates this year and better ground game. democrats say, we've got a new system of voting that democratic legislature put in to place, every voter gets a poll mailed to them don't have to ask for them it just shows up they can track those voters now better than ever. >> rose: something else happening in colorado that all these other races, do things, one the focus of democrats on women. it has been when you travel in that state feels like women's reproductive rights are on the ballot themselves alls ref wren

rum. and democrats have run that play book, the question is do they find way to blunt that or old play book doesn't work. as amy said, colorado matters because we draw grand conclusions, it's a battleground state that will be battleground state in the 2016 election. one other important thing about colorado is that cory gardener is a good candidate. in the past republican senatorial chances have been doomed because of candidates. gardener is good representative of the kind of solid republican candidate who is running a pretty goody lex and that matters across all these places that's one way which the affordable care acts matters. he wouldn't have gotten in the race if the affordable care act hadn't softened up the democrats. it's not a big deal here at the end that is one way which that president obama care mattered to recruit the candidates and to that point across all of these races where we see candidates favorable on the rise, coyy

gardener. and where voters are telling us what they have seen in the last weeks of these candidates has made them think better that have candidate. that has not happened everywhere. but where we see it in colorado, in georgia, that candidate is actually moving a little bit. >> rose: okay. we mentioned iowa earlier. what is does the tracking show? >> a dead heat. the republicans and bruce the democrat. the dead heat part of what so fascinating is that really conservative and bruce is a proudly populous liberal. whoever wins here talking about two very different candidates. >> rose: who is running the better campaign? >> most people would say ernst is. braley criticized iowa farmers doesn't seem the kind of thing you want to do. on the other hand this is race somewhere republicans should win. iowa is a close state, mid term election with the democratic president, the fact that it's a dead heat suggests us that the campaigns are not wildly divergent in their quality. >> this is another state like colorado, like alaska where

democrats like to talk about their ground game. they say if we're behind by a point or two going in to election day, we can make it up with ground game. republicans can see democrats in the past have been better at this. they say they're getting better and they point out a ground game helps you, but can't help you if the message isn't going your way, too. if you are losing on message you are not going to win on ground game because whatever you do to try to get your voters out they're not as enthusiastic as the other side. >> rose: let me to go georgia. michelle nunn is surprise that it seems that she is gaining. >> it is. this is one of the very few states democrats think they have chance to take from the republicans. mostly play can defense. michelle is gaining, down right now in our survey if you include those who are just there. now, this is another race that comes down to turn out, comes down to ground game the big question here is, will this go to a run off. if nobody gets 50% in georgia,

they hold a run-off election in two months. and that could actually be where we all head to take control of the senate. may not end on election night. >> at this point based on your numbers, georgia is the only state where republicans have chance of losing one of their seats. in kentucky still a wide gap between the minority leader mitch mcconnell and grimes in san diego that was democratic -- south dakota that was pipe dream, doesn't look good there. they're pinning all their hopes on georgia. >> rose: you were just in louisiana, how does that look? >> she is the democrat who is using every tool of incumbency. used to be rule, you were pretty safe. she is in trouble almost certain to go to a run-to have she's basically saying, though, i'll be chairman -- i am chairman of the energy committee i can bring in -- i can do good things for oil and gas interests in the state and katrina comes up all the time in that state.

and what her argue system basically, another one is coming, you remember i was here for you after katrina last time when another hurricane hits why do you want to get rid of your hurricane insurance, which to say her, with another disaster. but in the polls doesn't look like it's going to get her to that 50% which means there's run-off probably in louisiana. >> all of this speaks to the other narrative here, too, can democrats win in the south. and with moderates, in north carolina as well. we have kay hagan up now few points. in her race this is another case where between arkansas, between north carolina, between louisiana as you mentioned in georgia the question is will there be any democratic senators left in the south after this. that's one place where they are certainly trying to hang on. >> north carolina. why is she doing well? >> she is doing well because she has to able to localize this race. democrats have said we're going to lose if this is national

election we'll try to localize it. we are seeing talking to people on the ground there, it is tightening back up and that tom has been able to renationalize it in part thanks to talk about ebola, terrorism, that he brings it back to obama. she's localized on issues of education specifically because tom is -- >> rose: vote in smoke. >> that is going to be important to try to generate that vote. what democrats have to do in the south is do much better than the p president among white voters. not enough to have a black turn out hitting historic margins. you need to be able to -- >> what's happening in georgia. it's local senate conditions and this outsourcing, the republican, business career in which he used outsourcing, georgia has second highest unemployment rate in the country lot of those white voters have lost jobs. they see him perhaps as kind of person embodying that negative economic conditions that may be what is helping michelle there. >> let's be clear, north carolina and georgia are

different from louisiana and arkansas. north carolina and georgia were the two narrowist victories for mitt romney sible to 12. it's less of a -- >> rose: one more state. kentucky, tell me about kentucky. >> kentucky, you know, we haven't seen much tightening there, the minority leader mitch mcconnell who has had a tough race republicans say he's going to win but going to win ugly. they still feel very confident that he will be. >> i think so. this is one of the races. georgia is going to be the most important not just because -- in 2016 this is state that democrats can put in play. >> rose: is this a wave election? >> i don't think it is. i think wave election you see republicans winning easily. people winning iowa and colorado and making inroads in michigan and new hampshire this will be goody lex for republicans, i don't think it -- >> rose: what about this election coming two years before presidential election? >> most important thing to look at is republican brand.

that is what they got to figure out if they can fix it in time for 2016. >> rose: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. thank everyone for joining us for all cbs news and "new york times" battleground tracker results be sure to check out cbsnews.com. we'll be right back.

>> rose: that's it for us today. bob will be back next sunday. i'll see you tomorrow on "cbs this morning" thanks for watching "face the nation."

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