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radicalized muslim convert. clarissa ward, on assignment for "60 minutes," reports why authorities in north america and europe are keeping an increasingly close watch on homegrown islamic extremists. >> ward: one of the most shocking things about the recent rise of isis in iraq and syria has been the thousands of westerners who have given up everything to travel to a bloody battlefield far from home and live under strict islamic sharia law. but to understand the mentality of these jihadis, you don't need to travel to the middle east. across the west, isis has a committed support base that is actively recruiting young muslims. we sought out a man at the heart of that movement, a british preacher who sees no border between the streets of london and the frontlines of the middle east. talking to him and his followers gives you a window into a world

you may find disturbing and difficult to understand. there are at least 500 u.k. citizens fighting in syria and iraq. every week, according to british police, another five recruits join the fight. british jihadis have been on the front lines with isis from the very beginning. in the group's recent videos showing the executions of western hostages, the masked man holding the knife speaks with a london accent. >> we'll only drag you and your people into another bloody and unwinnable war. >> ward: the spike in western fighters may be, in part, due to this man, anjem choudary, a british-born lawyer turned islamic preacher who lives in london and has for years been asserting his democratic right to call for an end to democracy. >> anjem choudary: down, down democracy. i believe that islam is superior

and will not be surpassed. so i believe that the law of god is much superior to manmade law. >> ward: so, in that sense, you believe that islam and democracy are mutually exclusive, that they can't exist side-by-side >> choudary: allah is the only one to legislate. so, obviously, in that sense, it's completely diametrically opposed. you cannot have man legislating and playing god in parliament, and at the same time believe that allah is the only legislator. >> ward: you have the freedom to come here today. you have the freedom to speak on television, to worship whichever god you please. but you're advocating a system that essentially would take away all of those freedoms. >> choudary: allah created my tongue to speak. i don't have freedom to come here, because allah created my feet to walk. so i walk, and i speak, and i look, and i hear, according to what god says. >> ward: choudary has been accused of inspiring hundreds of muslims from across the west to join isis. we went to a meeting he held in an east london basement. on the wall was a large picture of buckingham palace turned into a mosque.

he described the newly formed islamic state in iraq and syria as a kind of utopia. talking about jihad, he sounded at times like a coach giving a pep talk before the big game. >> choudary: when the heavens are with you, when the earth is with you, when the sea is with you, when the wind is with you, who's going to defeat you after that?! nobody. >> ward: choudary has fronted a series of organizations that have been banned by the british government under the country's anti-terror laws, but he denies that he actively recruits fighters. >> choudary: you know, the... the messenger mohammed, he said, "fight them with your wealth, with your body, with your tongue." so, i'm engaged here, if you like, in a verbal jihad. >> ward: but what you're actually doing, essentially, is inspiring young men to go and fight in these countries, while you stay here and enjoy a comfortable life in the united kingdom. >> choudary: no, i mean, this is... this is a kind of a... the rhetoric that the western media come out with. but, i mean, there are no examples of anyone, in fact, who is in any of the battlefronts,

who actually say, "well, actually, mr. choudary asked me to come here," or "he bought my ticket," you know! if... if it were the case... >> ward: they wouldn't say that you bought their ticket... >> choudary: well, no, if it were the case... >> ward: ...but they might say that you inspired them with your message. >> choudary: there... there was a report out recently which said that i... i inspired 500 people, in fact, to carry out operations here and abroad. and if that were really the case, don't you think that i'd be arrested and i'll be sitting in prison? >> ward: so, if a young man, one of your students, comes to you and says, "should i go and fight in syria or iraq," what would you tell them? >> choudary: well, they haven't come to me. and if they come to me, i'll think about a suitable response, but i... i'm engaged... >> ward: what would you tell them? >> ward: it's a hypothetical question. >> choudary: i don't deal with hypotheticals. >> choudary: because it's a... >> ward: it really should be an easy question. >> choudary: i... i like... i like to deal with reality. if that happens, you can have another interview with me and i'll deal with it. >> ward: but one week after our interview, choudary was arrested "on suspicion of being a member of a proscribed or banned organization, and encouraging terrorism." also rounded up in the raids was one of his young followers, abu rumaysah.

>> abu rumaysah: we want islam. we want islam to dominate the world. >> ward: talking to rumaysah, you come face to face with a version of islam that wipes out every other aspect of a person's identity. he is a convert from hinduism, but his new beliefs bar even the most basic human feelings towards his mother and other family members who didn't convert. >> rumaysah: i don't love them, as non-muslims, but i desire for them to become muslim and embrace islam. >> ward: but you love her as your mother. >> rumaysah: she's my mother and she has rights over me, so i have to take care of her, i have to look after her. i have to make sure that, you know, she's protected and secure, so i... i fulfill my obligations like that. >> ward: but do you feel love for her? >> rumaysah: it's not allowed for me to love non-muslims, so that's something that is a matter of faith. >> ward: so, do you feel that you are british? >> rumaysah: i identify myself as a muslim. if i... if i was born in a stable, you know, i'm not going to be a horse. if i'm was born in nazi germany, i'm not going to be a nazi. i mean, this is just an island i

was born in. >> ward: rumaysah and choudary both live in east london, which is home to one of the largest muslim populations in the u.k. in one part of town, rumaysah and his associates have set up so-called sharia patrols, to go out and discourage behavior that they deem un-islamic. on this night, they stopped to talk to a couple of non-muslim men who were in a park drinking beer, which is forbidden under islam. >> so, we're just reminding, anyway, reminding the community about staying safe, and in... >> okay. >> ...this area, there's a lot of gambling that goes on. >> okay. >> a lot of alcohol drinking, and it leads to a lot of problems. so we advise you and we advise anyone we see to stay away from these things. >> ward: but the patrols are not always so friendly. online clips give a very different picture. a woman in a short skirt is abused. >> we don't respect people who disobey god.

>> but this is great britain. >> it's not so great britain. >> ward: a man the patrol thinks is gay is insulted. >> get out of here. you're dirty, mate. you're gay. >> ward: walking through london with rumaysah, you experience an alternate reality where there is no compromise and all conversations are one-sided. >> rumaysah: ultimately, i want to see every single woman in this country covered from head to toe. i want to the see the hand of the thief cut. i want to see adulterers stoned to death. i want to see sharia law in europe. and i want to see it in america, as well. i believe our patrols are a means to an end. >> ward: the only thing i would say is that, in america and in the united kingdom, we have a system, democracy... >> rumaysah: a backwards one. >> ward: but it's a system... >> rumaysah: a barbaric one. >> ward: ...that allows the people to choose what they want and allows people freedom. >> rumaysah: so why can't i choose sharia? when in rome, overthrow caesar and commit to sharia... >> ward: act... in your home,

you can do whatever you want. >> rumaysah: but what about in the public? why can't i tell you to cover up? am i free to say that? >> ward: because it would be outrageous. of course, you're not... >> rumaysah: so where's my freedom? where's my freedom? >> ward: you can say it to me, but you... >> rumaysah: okay, so cover up. wear the hijab. >> ward: that's absurd! the thought of choudary's supporters taking the law into their own hands is deeply frightening to most british people. this is a group that believes the west is at war with islam, and that the invasions of iraq and afghanistan justify any kind of violence in response. the most shocking example of that logic was the gruesome and very public murder of british soldier lee rigby on a london street last year. >> we have killed this man today because muslims are dying daily by british soldiers. >> ward: on that day, the man wielding the knife was a known associate of choudary. choudary has refused to condemn rigby's murder, nor will he criticize isis for the beheading

of american journalist james foley and other western hostages. >> choudary: you know, i don't know the details about james foley, but... >> ward: i know the details. let me educate you, because he was a friend of mine. >> choudary: i don't believe you. i'm sorry, i don't believe you. >> ward: you don't believe me that james foley was a journalist? >> choudary: i don't believe... no, no, i don't believe any western journalists, quite frankly. i believe you're liars until proven otherwise. but let me tell you something-- the perspective of the muslims of journalists, whether that be james foley and others, is that they are the propaganda for the western regimes. >> ward: have you formed an opinion for yourself? >> choudary: i form my opinion on the basis of what the muslims say, not on the basis of what you say. >> ward: i'm sensing a double standard here, because, essentially, you're very quick to condemn acts of violence by the west, but you refuse to condemn any act of violence by your fellow muslims. >> choudary: no, i believe that the... there's a difference between the oppressor and oppressed. >> ward: britain's authorities have struggled with how to handle extremists like choudary and his followers. he has been arrested multiple times, but never convicted of anything more than staging an illegal demonstration. and now, the police face a new challenge that is nearly

impossible to manage-- the spread of islamic extremism through slickly produced online propaganda films from real fighters in real battlefields. >> we will chop off the heads of the americans, chop off the heads of the french, chop off the heads of whoever you may bring. >> ward: those videos have proven wildly attractive to thousands of young people who feel alienated from the western societies they live in. for them, jihad offers the promise of power and glory. sir peter fahy is in charge of a government program called "prevent," set up to combat the radicalization of british muslims. >> peter fahy: i think the big concern about the current situation is just a huge amount of material which is available on social media, in the various publications, and the various videos that i think a lot of us are... are struggling to come to terms with and get a good picture of. >> ward: so, in a sense, it's less about preachers radicalizing young men, and it's more young fighters radicalizing

other young fighters from the battlefield using social media as their recruitment platform. >> fahy: i think you're absolutely right. that is my concern is that what has changed, again, over recent months is that you have got local people identifiable as real people. you've got, you know, a person who's identifiably british who's gone out there, and is absolutely using social media to be able to communicate directly into your son or daughter's bedroom and to encourage them to come out. and i think that is extremely worrying as a new development. as i say, i think a lot of families and a lot of parents, including obviously muslim parents, are very concerned about that. >> ward: "bedroom jihad," they're calling it. >> fahy: absolutely. it's almost that personal contact which is the worrying aspect. but, you know, we... we need to be aware of all different forms of brainwashing and radicalization. >> ward: if their parents can't stop it, what can you do to stop it? >> fahy: well, all we can do is raise awareness, but you're

absolutely right. and we constantly agonize about whether this is a job for the police or not. >> ward: britain's mainstream muslim leaders are speaking out against isis and have discouraged young men in their communities from joining the fight. but the ongoing u.s.-led military campaign in syria and iraq has stoked anger and raised fears of terrorist retaliation attacks in the west. do you believe that there will be more attacks in the west? >> choudary: yes. i believe it's inevitable. >> ward: if you believe that, would you ever use your role as a british citizen, and as a muslim, to actively dissuade people from launching attacks here in the u.k., in the u.s., in the west? >> choudary: well, i think we need to deal with the root causes. i think it's... it's really absurd to say, "well, why shouldn't people react?" the fact is if we don't deal with the root cause, which is the occupation of the muslim land, which is the torture of muslims, which is the foreign policy of governments like britain and america, that you

will never be able to stop people. >> ward: so, just so i understand, you will continue to refuse to condemn acts of terror? >> choudary: well, as i say, you know, i'm not in the game of condemnation or condoning. >> ward: it's really just a yes- or-no question. >> choudary: well, i don't want to answer you with a yes or no answer. >> ward: but choudary, who is out on bail, will have to give answers when he reports to police in january. his case is a serious test of the government's strategy to fight extremism. >> clarissa ward describes her strategy for interviewing extremists. go to 60minutesovertime.com, extremists. go to 60minutesovertime.com, sponsored by viagra. you know what? plenty of guys have this issue, not just getting an erection, but keeping it. well, viagra helps guys with ed get and keep an erection.

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this is the story of how one of the men who shot osama bin laden came under fire from his fellow seals and his own government, and what he'd like to say now to make amends. you know, i wonder how you compare the stress of the last two years to the kind of work you did as a seal. >> mark owen: i would go back overseas today and deal with fighting isis face to face rather than deal with the last two years again. >> pelley: the last two years were something that mark owen never trained for. he's been investigated by the government, excommunicated by the seal leadership, and inundated with legal bills, all for writing the first eyewitness account of the bin laden raid, and for being the first seal to talk about it publicly-- in our interview in 2012. >> owen: and then, all of a sudden, we banked hard 90 degrees, and it was very apparent something was wrong. >> pelley: what do you say to people who believe fervently

that you do secret operations for the government, and they stay secret until you die? you don't say anything about them. >> owen: how many former secretaries of defense have written books? how many former generals have written books? how many former so-coms, special operations commanders, have written books? i'm a nobody, right? i'm a senior enlisted guy that did 13 straight deployments-- nothing else, nothing. i've sacrificed everything in my life to continue raising my hand, volunteering right next to my brothers to continue to go back overseas and do what we could to help, so it's tough. >> pelley: so, if it's fair for the generals, it should be fair for the enlisted men, too? >> owen: absolutely. >> pelley: those 13 deployments he mentioned include many to afghanistan and iraq, plus the bin laden raid and the famous mission that freed captain richard phillips, held hostage by somali pirates in 2009.

in both of our interviews, we disguised his appearance and his voice for his safety. in 2012, he walked us through the assault on bin laden's house. owen told us he was in line right behind the seal who shot bin laden first. >> owen: myself and the next assaulter in, we both engaged him several more times, and then rolled off and then continued clearing the room. >> pelley: when you say you "engaged him," what do you mean? >> owen: fired. >> pelley: you shot him. >> owen: yeah. >> pelley: the seals were faceless heroes. that's owen with the president and vice president. here he is with the elder george bush, who's holding a copy of owen's book, and with the younger president bush. but even amid the celebrating, over at the pentagon, there was growing anger because owen had skipped a step that is considered mandatory. he didn't clear the book with government censors. defense secretary leon panetta fired back on "cbs this morning." two days after your first

interview ran on "60 minutes," the secretary of defense came on cbs news and said that your book tells our enemies essentially how we operate and what we do to go after them, and when you do that, you tip them off. >> leon panetta: how the hell can we run sensitive operations here that go after enemies if people are allowed to do that? >> pelley: did you do that? >> owen: did i disclose anything that would've put the guys in harm's way? that's... that's absolutely not what i intended to do. these are my brothers that i served beside for years. and a lot of them continue to serve. these are guys i... i had, you know, lived and died next to. these are not guys that i would want to sacrifice their security for any reason. >> pelley: one of the things you said in that book was, "if you're looking for secrets, you won't find them here." >> owen: i tried my best, yes, sir. >> pelley: but now, his lawyer tells us owen is the target of a criminal investigation under the espionage act, looking into whether he gave away valuable

secrets. no charges have been filed, but eight weeks ago, he was questioned for ten hours about the book and our interview. mark owen is a member of the team that killed osama bin laden, and now he faces criminal investigation. how does that happen? >> bob luskin: well, it happens because he got some bad legal advice. he should have submittedthe manuscript for "no easy day" for pre-publication review and he didn't. >> pelley: bob luskin is mark owen's current lawyer. >> luskin: and folks in the defense department were concerned that it disclosed classified information. and so they're conducting an investigation to see whether he did it with the wrong intent. > pelley: was classified information disclosed? >> luskin: well, i can't discuss that. you know, in the catch-22 world of classified information, you can't talk about what you can't talk about. >> pelley: and the government won't talk about the investigation, either. but we've learned that one area of concern deals with the existence of the seal's special

night-vision goggles mentioned in the book. anyone can find the goggles on the manufacturer's web site, but just because a secret is out doesn't mean it isn't still classified. owen told us that he skipped the pre-publication review on advice of his former lawyer, who had helped other retired special operations troops with their books. >> owen: those books had never... nobody had ever gotten in trouble for them. i went to him and said, "okay, hey, look, what are my legal obligations?" he said, "look, you have no legal obligation to get it reviewed. you're a civilian now. i can review it for you." i had no reason to believe otherwise. >> pelley: what do you know now? >> owen: that you're absolutely supposed to get your... any type of manuscript or book reviewed. >> pelley: in this interview, you've acknowledged not following the procedures properly. and i wonder why you think you should not be prosecuted? >> owen: from the beginning, i've always tried to do the

right thing. had we purposely tried to go around what my obligations were, absolutely, i should be held accountable. but the fact is, i didn't. i hired a lawyer with my own money off to the side because i wanted to do the right thing. i got horrible advice, and i've dealt with that for the past two years. >> pelley: owen's previous lawyer who helped with the book denies that the legal advice was faulty, but he won't comment further. it turns out that the criminal investigation is just the half of it. there has also been an anonymous campaign of retribution, apparently from inside the military. one piece of indisputably classified information revealed at the time was owen's real name, leaked to the media before our first interview by persons unknown. what did you have to do for your own personal safety once your name came out? >> owen: let's just say i fly a little further underneath the radar than i ever have before. i don't want anybody to know where i live. that's not the important piece. i... i want to be very cautious,

security wise. obviously, the... the world is a crazy place right now-- isis, and plenty of other bad guys out there. >> pelley: when you tried to reach out to your former commander to explain yourself when the first book came out, what happened? how did he react? >> owen: the first thing i wanted to do when i figured out that, "wow, whoa, this is going to be a little bigger than i thought, this... there's going to be some issues here," then i want to reach out to my former command and say, "hey, look, sir, let's discuss. i have nothing to hide. i... you know, let's talk about this." i got a text message back just simply saying, you know, "delete me." >> pelley: "delete me"? what did that mean? >> owen: i take that as he did not want to hear from me or talk with me anymore. >> pelley: owen appears to be the only one under investigation, even though several people have talked about the raid. someone, unnamed, revealed details to the "new yorker" magazine. there's another well informed book by author mark bowden.

and then there's the movie "zero dark 30," which also depicts those night vision goggles, by the way. the moviemakers met with the acting director of the c.i.a., senior white house officials, and the pentagon's undersecretary for intelligence, mike vickers. according to this pentagon transcript, obtained by the group judicial watch, vickers says he will give the screenwriter someone who "was involved from the beginning as a planner," a seal team six operator and commander. "the only thing we ask is that you not reveal his name," because he shouldn't be talking out of school. the meeting with the commander was apparently called off after critics accused the administration of revealing too much. i wonder if mark owen is being singled out here. >> luskin: look, the folks on the other side, i think, are honest and well intentioned. and they're trying hard to do a difficult job.

but having said that, there... there's clearly something outlandish about a process as a whole in which people are free to leak classified information to the person who wrote the "new yorker" article, to mark bowden, to the folks who produced "zero dark 30." and at the end of the day, the only person who's held accountable is the person who risked his life. it's not fair at all. it's an absurd result. >> pelley: the best result that mark owen can hope for now is to avoid prosecution and reach a settlement that would give the government most of the profits from "no easy day," profits that owen intended to donate to navy seal charities. such an agreement is still being negotiated. was an apology part of the agreement that you wanted to strike with the government? >> owen: sure. and it's not that they needed to ask me to... to get on the media and say, "i'm sorry." >> pelley: would you like to make that public apology right here, right now? >> owen: yeah, sure. absolutely.

i did not set out to bypass any rules, regulations. i felt that i was doing everything the right way, legally. obviously, that was a mistake. so no, i'm very sorry about that. and i've proven that we can do things a different way, which is what we've done with "no hero." >> pelley: "no hero" is his new book, which he did clear with the pentagon, and the censors struck part of it out. but the reader can infer that this is about captain philips, also the subject of a movie. and then, there's "seal team 'blank.'" owen is not allowed to use the number "six." the prologue of the book, called "40 names," is a vivid reminder of how much the seals have sacrificed in afghanistan and iraq. >> owen: they're 40 names in my cell phone contact list that are... that are no longer here. >> pelley: 40 names of people who've been killed? >> owen: yeah. >> pelley: why do you keep them

in your cell phone contact list? >> owen: how can i delete them, right? these are friends of mine that i served with, next to, ate dinner with, had a beer with, you name it. and... and they're no longer here. how can i delete that name out of my phone? i can't. >> pelley: it's like losing them forever. >> owen: sure. >> pelley: "no hero" is about the lessons that owen learned as a seal, usually from failing at things. the most important, he says, came during a rock climbing trip, when he froze 300 feet up. the instructor made his way over to him. >> owen: and he's like, "hey buddy, stay in your three-foot world." what the hell are you talking about? he says, "look, you can't affect anything outside of three feet around you, can you?" i'm like, "well, no?" "so stay in your three-foot world. look inside your three-foot world, find the next hand hold, and climb your way out." i climbed my way out, and i've applied that analogy to so many things in my life. if i can't affect them, don't worry about it. you can't.

people waste so much of their time and effort worrying about things outside of their control. learn from them, move on, and don't worry about it. you don't dwell on the past. >> pelley: staying within his three-foot world has helped mark owen these last two years. he would still have written "no easy day," he told us, but now he says he would have done it by the book. if you are able to reach a settlement of this criminal investigation with the government, what will that mean to you? >> owen: a huge weight off my shoulders. i don't feel as if i've officially moved on and out of the... military because i still feel like i'm somewhat under the thumb of this... this issue. and i would love more than anything to just move past that, move on with my life and-- and figure out what-- what life has in store for me. this is charlie. his long day of doing it himself starts with back pain... and a choice. take 4 advil in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief.

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>> o'donnell: blake shelton has one of the top country albums in america and a grin that won't go away. he's country music's most recognizable star, and that's saying something, since 80 million americans listen to country music every week, songs about hook-ups, pickup trucks, and solo cups. and that's just fine with the 38-year-old shelton, who grew up in oklahoma, wears jeans and alligator skin boots every day, and as you'll see, has enough personality to fill out his 6'5" country boy frame. what is it about country that's so popular? >> shelton: you know, it's not just our music, i think, that people feel like they can relate to, but it's us. it's the artists that they feel like they can relate to. i know, for me, when i go home, i hunt and i fish and i plant

corn and i drive back roads. i literally do the things that i sing about. >> o'donnell: what about the criticism that country music, a lot of it sounds the same? >> shelton: gosh dang, man, i hear about it all the time. you know, "it's... it's the same subject matter over and over again," and "all y'all sing about is, you know, pretty girls," and... >> o'donnell: there's a lot of songs about drinking, too. >> shelton: i like pretty girls, and i like drinking, and i like singing about it. ( laughs ) so get over it. that's my take on it. ♪ the more i drink... ♪ ♪ >> o'donnell: on tour in little rock last summer, blake shelton's point of view was on full display. ♪ ♪ his concerts across the country are filled with people who see things the way he does. ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ >> o'donnell: seats at shelton's shows are usually holding more beers than behinds. his audience prefers standup singalongs. >> shelton: ♪ boys round here ♪ ♪ >> o'donnell: here's one of my favorites from one of your biggest hits, "boys around here": "backwoods legit, chew tobacco, chew tobacco, chew tobacco, spit." >> shelton: you can't tell me that doesn't speak to your soul and... >> o'donnell: "chew tobacco, chew tobacco, chew tobacco, spit." >> shelton: see, you almost tear up when you say that. it's because it's striking a nerve. it's just fun. i don't know how you let loose

and just have fun if you're having to... to think too hard about it. and then when it's time to be serious, i have songs that... that'll take you down there. some will take you too far down. it... it hurts for me to even listen to some of my own songs, sometimes. but when i want to have fun and not think about it, i want to sing, you know, "chew tobacco, spit." ( laughter ) >> o'donnell: shelton comes by his country credentials naturally. he was raised in ada, oklahoma, a town of less than 20,000 an hour and a half from the nearest big city. >> shelton: so that was the drive through town. ( laughter ) >> o'donnell: that lasted two minutes. his father sold cars here and his mom ran a beauty parlor. he started singing to the radio as early as he can remember. >> shelton: anytime mom walked by my bedroom, it was like, "what in the hell is he doing in there? it's loud," you know. "turn it down." >> o'donnell: and she had you performing at beauty pageants... >> shelton: she knew she had a kid that she wanted to get on

stage, and she put me in the damn pageant and let me... "they have a talent part. he can sing in there," you know? >> o'donnell: but wasn't it mostly girls? >> shelton: oh, for... god, yes. mostly all girls. i mean, because what boy from ada, oklahoma, would be... would want to be in the miss valentine pageant, right? >> o'donnell: but there was a lesson he learned on stage at an early age that shelton believes is central to his success. >> shelton: i learned that it was more... it was more to it than just coming up here and singing a song and walking off. i knew i... i wasn't a good enough singer for that just to be the thing. you got to perform, but you also got to entertain. you got to make people laugh. you got to tell a joke or a story, make the most of the time that you're out here so that people remember you when you walk away. >> o'donnell: blake grew up the youngest of three shelton children-- older sister endy and brother richie, who blake remembers looking up to for all the usual big brother reasons. >> shelton: his bedroom was

right across the hallway from mine when i was little. and he was listening to hank williams, jr., or waylon, lynyrd skynyrd, or bob seger. i just... whatever was popular, really. richie loved all music. and i would be sitting there going, "man, that guy's... that guy's my hero. that's the coolest guy. he's my big brother." >> o'donnell: but the music stopped when blake was just 14 years old. richie shelton was killed in a car accident. how did you deal with the grief? >> shelton: i don't know, you know? i remember picking up the phone to call him a week after he was dead, to tell him something. and it was like, you think about what i, you know, i was picking up the phone to call him, to tell him something i just saw on tv or... and it was like constantly a shock to me that he was dead. it was just... >> o'donnell: you don't ever get over it?

>> shelton: no, that's what my dad told me, too. he said, "look, you will never, ever get over this happening. you're just going to have to learn to get used to it." he was absolutely right. >> o'donnell: he wrote about the loss, even acknowledging his dad's warning. >> shelton: ♪ they say i'll be okay ♪ but i'm not going to ever get over you... >> o'donnell: blake shelton's childhood wasn't easy. his parents were divorced and, for a time, he lived with his dad in this apartment. they lived simply and very country. >> shelton: i went fishing or hunting every day after school. and whatever i had ended up on that porch. ( laughs ) i mean, we were bachelors; we had a lot of chicken chow mein... >> o'donnell: yeah, i bet. >> shelton: ...in that house, and deer chili. >> o'donnell: deer chili?

>> shelton: that... >> o'donnell: did you make the deer chili? >> shelton: oh... oh god, yeah. all that dead stuff i drug up on that porch, we ate it. >> o'donnell: two weeks after barely graduating from high school, blake left for nashville. five years later, he had a record deal, and in 2001, landed his first big hit. ♪ ♪ >> o'donnell: but having staying power in nashville is about as easy as making it in l.a. as an actor, and shelton was known as much for his hairstyle as he was for his musical chops. but his career and his life changed in 2005 when he was asked to perform on this tv special with an up and coming singer from texas named miranda lambert. ♪ ♪ a lot of people who were there say they saw you falling in love at that moment. >> shelton: i guess so.

>> o'donnell: and when you look back at it, you think? >> shelton: i mean, i guess so. it's hard to argue with what i'm looking at. i'm trying to play the guy card here like, "by god, no," but i mean, that's pretty pathetic right there. ( cheers and applause ) >> o'donnell: but you were married at the time. >> shelton: i was married. that was easily the toughest thing that... that i've, you know, been through. i put my divorce up there with my brother's death, and that was a tough, tough call to make. >> o'donnell: shelton eventually married lambert... and started to string together hit after hit. ♪ ♪ and in 2011, was approached about a new music competition show called "the voice." turns out the boy with the "aw, shucks, i'm from ada, oklahoma"

personality was about to go hollywood. >> shelton: i have absolutely no problem with making an ass out of myself. >> o'donnell: actually, he's made a name for himself. when it started, shelton was probably the show's least known star, but today, he's known as the unpredictable judge with the quickest wit... >> can i talk? >> shelton: yeah, go ahead. >> oh, my god. aw, man, i... >> shelton: well, that's a good point. and i'm glad that you took this opportunity... ( laughter ) >> why don't you hush up? >> shelton: okay. >> o'donnell: ...and the deepest drink, usually vodka. show time. >> shelton: you ready? >> o'donnell: i'm ready. are you ready? >> shelton: i better be. ( laughs ) >> o'donnell: because of his tv schedule, shelton performs less than other country stars, even though the demand for him is huge. >> shelton: welcome back to the acm awards. >> o'donnell: he hosts the academy of country music awards, and holds a unique country music record-- 12 consecutive number

one singles, so far. ♪ ♪ >> o'donnell: you don't write too many of your songs. >> shelton: i don't. if i've written 200 songs in my life, or 300 songs, i probably have 15 of those that i'm proud of, that i truly go, "man, i did something there." and i can't imagine me convincing myself that i'm a better songwriter than some of these people in nashville. i just want the song to be the best song it can possibly be. >> o'donnell: his other priority is getting home as often as possible. when his tv shows or concerts wrap, he heads immediately to the nearest private airport... >> shelton: i am leaving hollywood. thank you, god. ♪ ♪ >> o'donnell: ...to get back home to oklahoma, close to where he used to hunt and fish with his dad. he lives with his wife, miranda lambert, on a 1,200-acre ranch. they say it's their last private

place and we weren't invited in. when we drove around town with shelton, he was proud to show us the shop where he gets his boots re-soled. >> shelton: you can take a selfie. >> o'donnell: and that he still knows his neighbors. >> shelton: tell steve, pattie, david, i say hi. >> o'donnell: but no matter if we were in oklahoma, l.a., or manhattan, the country boy and the country star seemed to be the same person-- polite, funny, and completely comfortable in those cowboy boots. >> welcome to the cbs spores update presented by pacific life. i'm james brown with scores from around the nfl today. arizona beats the romo-less

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>> pelley: now an update on a story we first reported in april that we called "saving the children." bob simon told how a british stockbroker, nicholas winton, rescued more than 600 czech children on the eve of world war ii. it was a tale that nick winton kept to himself for decades, and involved more than a little creativity on his part to get the children to britain. >> simon: british authorities were slow in issuing travel documents, so winton started having them forged. he also spread some money around. >> winton: took a bit of blackmail on my part. >> simon: you were indulging in blackmail and forgery to get the children out? >> winton: i've never heard it put like that before.

>> simon: but you seem to be enjoying it. >> winton: it worked. that's the main thing. >> pelley: this past week, 105- year-old sir nicholas winton returned to what is now the czech republic to receive that nation's highest award, the order of the white lion. i'm scott pelley. we'll be back next week with another edition of "60 minutes." tomorrow, be sure to watch "cbs this morning," and i'll see you on the "cbs evening news." ♪ [ male announcer ] even more impressive than the research this man has at his disposal is how he puts it to work for his clients. morning. morning. thanks for meeting so early. come on in. [ male announcer ] it's how edward jones makes sense of investing. [ male announcer ] it's how edward jones i have a cold with terrible chest congestion. better take something. theraflu severe cold doesn't treat chest congestion. really? new alka-seltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. oh, what a relief it is. here we go!

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i'm going with germany. it's not the world cup. you can't pick germany. for the surprise factor. surprising what a bad choice it is? the first official trip of the secretary of state is loaded with political content. the world doesn't know her yet. this decision speaks to who she is, what she stands for. exactly. and if she chooses germany, it looks like she stands for techno and schnitzel. right. she's fun. okay, the secretary is not... "fun." turkey is looking like the front-runner. (groans) turkey? turkey's actually... it's neither here nor there. it's not fully europe, not really asia. it's the tofurkey of the western world. which is ironic, given that it's turkey. well, my money's on egypt. it's edgy, it's progressive. it's the gateway for modern middle eastern diplomacy. i beg you... let me do the writing. you know, i nominated brazil. seventh largest economy. they just won the olympic bid. not to mention they... not to mention their first-class beaches. (both laugh) why do you even care about beaches? you're ditching us for nantucket.