good morning. and welcome to mosaic. it's always a privilege to host month say mosaic. we have a guest who has lived in the bay area for a long time. he has a new book out called mister for our times. we are happy to have him. he travels all over the world. dr. matthew fox. you just got back from medical

mexico and arizona. >> they really did a great job organizing this. a father from brazil lead it off and than i spoke. we then did a dialogue together. last time i saw him was 25 years ago when we were both silent for the pope. i went to see him. it was wonderful seeing him again. i was expelled by the pope or the cardinal. he left the francisco order the same year.

he got became an angloton. then he started reinventing young people's languaging. >> okay. >> it was a beautiful experience to see these many people wrestling with the issues of values. the governor of the state was there. it was interesting to see the politicians together. >> what were some of the questions asked? >> well one of the question asked was is the catholic church losing out in south american? the boss said yes. he said he didn't regret it. he said sanity comes in many expressions and always has.

beginning with the early church. we all see the gospel in different ways. i believe the catholic church is learning humility in latin america and that's hard to learn. the new pope from latin america is a good thing and he talks about a new spring. i hope he's right. i know the pope is a fine man. i believe the middlemannagement that has been appointedded the last 35 years is so different. >> i believe we feel that the pope maybe he could change ever

something. that doesn't seem like that could happen. >> no. it's a very human us institution. there is big backlash about the gays. it will go on for another year until that meet again. at least it's on the table now. there are those two factions. organizations like opes day. they are not interested in

theology. >> i forgot where it was the pope had the people spend $42,000 on his home. >> yeah, he fired them; >> we'll take a break and talk about that in the next segment.

welcome back to mosaic. we have been talking to dr. matthew fox. tell us about your book.

>> he lived until 1969. roomie died injuring the teaching of the jewish musical. i have a part in their about him being given the key. the great buddies had the greatest accomplishment. it'sen canny. we all rub elbows with both of

them. another guy wrote me that said he was a sufie. he's out about being islam. for his concept of spark of the sole. he talks a lot about the spark of the sole. our friend howard loved ekhart. he quoted ekhart a lot. this is a spot that could never go out. >> exactly. >> life is alive. that's the real miracle. the real revelation is their is a heart in the center of the universe and life.

>> that's right. >> not neutrally. the use universe is caring. he said that understand about justice. you see how howard picked up on that. his spiritualty is about engaging the world and creating new ways to relate. >> i almost complete it and saw you at the book reading at barns and noble. he said a lot about payer too. >> yeah, about about going deep and down. he talked about sinking.

he said i pray to god. part of it is letting go of our projections of god. his buddist side too. he said god is superinessential. he has the complete history of divinity. >> he also spoke about god. >> yeah. he has these faces on -- phrases on bumper stickers that are great. part of the women movement of his day and he supported the pheasants. he was the first to preach in

german. germany was possession pheasant die leg. >> martin luther almost got killed when he converted the bible into german. >> he owed him a lot indirectly. his student was a demin dominican also. luther was influenced by ekhart. >> i have you down as a writer and activist. tell us about mysticism. >> for me in one word the mystic is a lover.

we are all lovers. bill a california poet was a dominican. he said most people experience god in nature or not at all. the mystic is a lover. he defends what we love. today we have these cry -- crisis of mother earth. are we able to stand-up and defend it and all of the rest. ekhart saw the sacredness in

everything. not to a biblic -- biblical text. he saw the wisdom of many other tradition. he never met an hindu. he dares to unvail the truths they found. >> i came across a beautiful point that said i'm not the river, the sand, or rock or the things that holds this together. >> another place i saw she

wrote about the river. she said the rock of the river and the sand is part of the river too. we are all of christ. >> you have a fascinating book called the letters the pope francis. there is a section in there i would like to look at in the next segment. please join us with dr. matthew fox.

. welcome back to mosaic. dr. matthew fox is the author of nearly 40 books. his latest book also just last year was letters to pope francis. it really captured his four path. >> they help name what our deeper spirit is. we have the path of joy and gradditude and awe and wonder. that's what opens us up.

then their is the path of silenc . that's for meditation. that's a spiritual journey that opens us up. then their is the holy spirit. it hovers over the mind of the artist at work. living is art. look at that beautiful shirt you are wearing this morning. they made it for you but you are wearing it. where would we be without music

and dance. then their is the path of justice. we can create gas ovens. we can create more mystery. we have the stir it. that's what justice is all about. those four paths which are at the part at your conference you mentioned the four e's. >> i did. i'm trying to apply his principals to today's world. they help name what should be gooding on in the world. we need a knew economic. did we learn anything about what law street did to main street. no one is in jail.

it's unbelievable. you know we need something that works for everything on the planet. the forest and ocean are we capable of this. david is a important economist. another e is education. >> absolutely. >> for 40 years i have been critical of the educational system in america. it's all about clear ideals. it's about our heart. >> my feelings were hurt. >> einstein said that. it comes from intuition and feeling. this is why young kids are dropping out of school. it's because they are board.

i have been working with inner city kids and i have seen that creativity. before they they don't see the connection. the religionon has to get off his high horse. >> all of this. >> that's why ekhart is a freak. there is no one like him. he worked with everyone. the forth e is ecology. how we treat the earth. the governor of florida today, who is running again. he said their is no need to

worry. i have a friend in miami who said if you walk the streets of miami there are six inches of water. the governor said what climate change. it hasn't been proven. >> i can't understand that. >> we are capable of creating such a public in terms of our ideology that trumps really, science, and truth. we have to start regetting strong about our responsibility and time is running out for us on this planet. we won't have long to turn things around. the young people know this. those who are running things don't believe it was important. if your air is foul and your

rivers and soil is poison your kids won't be healthy. >> i was reading in the science world that they are more creative. we don't believe in the impossible but they do it. >> that's a good point. the real world miracle comes from the word marvel. the potential is their for us to do so much in terms of solar energy and thermal energy. in india they invented a car that runs on compressed air. no pollution and air is pretty cheap. >> there was no glass made for the iphone when steve jobs started. he made it possible to have that. now you have an iphone 6 and

all of this. >> it's everywhere. millions of people buy it. >> we'll come back in our last segment. please stay with us. ♪ music

kids will spend 15 minutes watching online videos like this one. brushing for two minutes now, can save your child from severe tooth pain later. two minutes twice a day. they have the time. i hope you have been with us because we had a gratis cushion hear with l. matthew fox. he mentioned he had a story that was important.

>> the pro -- professor came to me and said i'm confuse. he came to a few classes and said i got my soul back. what these engineers do is go to different countries and teach people to create solar generated irrigation systems. all of these miracles that engineers can do. i saw him a few months ago and he said it came from the experience in your program. that's an example of good education that help the soul live again. engineers do great things. that's the story of hope. when you can change a few people and they go do what they are called to do. that's how things get changed

in the world. >> right. i mean again we think things are impossible. but when people find their soul you say anything is possible. >> the creativity flows. >> can you say any one of those e's are more important that the other. >> i believe the ecology one is staring us in the face. if you or your children is not breathing good air and the seeds and food are disappearing. we can kiss our suite -- sweet cheeks good-bye. we need more people to capture

the importance. >> it doesn't think in terms of the polar bares are dying. these great being who have been here far longer than us. if you have this narrow vision of the worlds which is about humans you can't break out of it. that's why we need new education that opens the mind and the heart. it needs to include the heart. the young people are claimerring for this. they can get facts on an iphone. they don't need facts they need wisdom. spiritualalty. >> creation spiritualty. >> that's right. it's the christ nature in all of us. let's bring that out when they are teenagers. >> thank you for being with us.

>> thank you, ron. >> i'm glad we got a hold of you. >> you are very persistent. >> i will have you back when you new book comes back probably next year. thank you for being with us. i'm ron. ,,,,,,

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