>> the eyes of cbs news cameras. >> schieffer: i'm bob schieffer on this 60th an verse roof "face the nation" from the oval office in washington and the bush library in dallas, two presidents in one hour. president obama reveals the next step in the war on isis. >> without a position to going -- >> schieffer: former president bush talks about the book he's written about his dad. and whether his brother jeb will be the next bush to be in the white house. >> i think it's 50-50. >> schieffer: all-star panel of analysts. 60 years of news, politics, presidents, foreign policy, analysis and culture. because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs >> mr. president, thank you so much for joining us on the

60th anniversary of "face the nation." >> congratulations. >> schieffer: it's a pleasure to have you. i want to start with your decision to basically double the size of the american force in iraq. bring it up to about 3,000. when you ordered the airstrikes three months ago you didn't seem to think that was going to be necessary. what is this signal that what we've done so far hasn't worked? >> no it signals is a new face. first of all let's be clear. isil is a threat not only to iraq but also the region and ultimately over long term could be a threat to the united states. this is an extreme group of sort we haven't seen before. also combines terrorist tactics with on the ground capabilities in part because they incorporated a lot of saddam hussein's old military commanders. and this is a threat that we are

committed not only to the ultimately destroy. what we knew was that phase one was getting iraqi government, that was inclusive and credible. we now have done that. and now what we've done is rather than just try to halt isil's momentum now to get offense. the airstrikes have been very effective in degrading isil's capability and flawing advance that they were making. now what we need is ground troops, iraqi ground troops that can start pushing them back. >> schieffer: will these americans be going in to battle with them? >> no. what hasn't changed is, our troops are not engaged in combat. essentially what we're doing we're taking four training centers with coalition members that allow us to bring in iraqi

recruits, some of the sunni tribes that are still resisting us, giving them proper training, proper equipment, helping them with strategy. helping them with logistics. we'll provide them close air support once they are prepared to start going on the offense against isil but what we will not be doing is having our troops do the fighting. what we learned from the previous engagement in iraq is that our military is always the best. we can always knock out, knock back any threat. but then when we leave that threat comes back. >> schieffer: should we expect that more troops may be needed before this is over? >> as commander in chief, i'm never going to say never. but what the commanders who presented the plans to me say, is that we may actually see fewer troops over time because now we're seeing coalition members starting to partner with us on training and assist effort. >> schieffer: i want to get back to foreign policy but also

want to ask you about what happened on tuesday. harry truman once famously said if you want a friend in washington get a dog. i thought of that when i heard the chief of staff of the democratic leader of the senate, harry reid, say, this street his quote, the president's approval rating is basically 40%. what else more is there to say. he's basically saying it was your fault. do you feel it was your fault? >> look, another saying harry truman was, the buck stops with me. the buck stops right here, at my desk. so whatever as head of the party, it doesn't do well. i've got to take responsibility for it. the message that i took from this election, we've seen this in a number of elections, is people want to see this city work. and they feel as if it's not

working. the economy as improved significantly, there's no doubt about it. we have a jobs report for october that show that once again over 200,000 jobs created, now created more than ten million. unemployment rate as come down faster than we anticipated. just to give you some perspective, bob, we've created more jobs in the united states than every other advanced economy combined. since i came in to office. and we're making progress, the people still feel like income hasn't gone up, still hard to save for retirement or send a kid to college. and then they see washington gridlocked and they're frustrated. they know one person in washington and that's the president of the united states. so i've got to make this city work better for them. >> schieffer: all the presidents in modern history who have been successful, i mean, in various ways, lbj, fdr, ronald

reagan, teddy roosevelt, bill clinton they sahl team to have a zest for politics. they like the give and take they like the twisting of arms. they like the conjoeling. they like all the things that presidents do. but i don't sense that you have the same feeling that they did. do you like politicians, do you like politics? do you like this job? >> let me tell you, bob, i love this job. and here is i think a fair statement. if your name is barack hussein obama you had to have liked politics in order to get in to this office. i wasn't born in to politics. and wasn't encouraged to go in to politics. i got in to politics because i believed i could make a difference and i would not have been successful would not be sitting at this desk every day

if i didn't love politics. the fact is, that we wouldn't have gotten health care passed if there wasn't a whole bunch of arm twisting. we would not have been able to make progress on the deficit if i hadn't been willing to cut some deals with republicans. i think every president that you've mentioned would also say that while they were in office people weren't always as complimentary of them as -- >> schieffer: is it what you thought it would be? >> here is one thing that i will say. that campaigning and governance are two different things. i landed two successful campaigns, anybody who has seen me on the campaign trail can tell how much i love just being with the american people. and hearing what they care about, how passionate i am about trying to help them.

when you start governing, there is a tendency sometimes for me to start thinking, as long as i get the policy right that's what should matter. and people have asked, what do you need to do differently going forward i think you do that check after every election. >> schieffer: what do you need to do differently? >> i think one thing i do need to constantly remind myself and my team are, is it's not enough just to build a better mousetrap. people don't automatically come beating to your door. we got to sell it. we've got to reach out to the other side and where possible persuade. and i think there are times, there's no doubt about it where i think we have not been successful in going out there and let can people know what it is that we're trying to do and why this is the right direction. so there is a form of politics

that we have to improve on. >> schieffer: what criticisms of your administration do you think are valid? >> i just mentioned one. i think that what is also true is that no matter how frustrating it can sometimes be for any president to deal with an opposition that is pretty stubborn, with really strong differences, you just got to keep on trying. >> schieffer: let's talk about immigration. you have said you're going to change immigration policy with an executive order by the end of the year, republicans said don't do it. mitch mcconnell like waving a red flag in front of a bull. john boehner, when you play with matches you take the risk of burning yourself. why not give them a chance to see what they can do on that and then take the executive order? >> number one, everybody agrees immigration system is broken. we've been talking about it for

years now in terms of fixing it. we need to be able to secure our border, we need to make legal immigration system that is more efficient and we need to make sure that the millions of people, many have been here a decade or more, have american kids and for all practical purposes are part of the community. they pay a fine, pay penalties, they learn english, but they have capacity to legalize themselves here. because we're not -- don't have the capacity to deport 11 mil yen people. everybody agrees on that. i preside over a process in which the senate produced a bipartisan bill, i then said to john boehner, john, let's get this passed through the house. for a year i stood back and let him work on this. he decided not to call the senate bill and he couldn't produce his own bill.

and i told him at the time, john, if you don't do it, i've got legal authority to make improvements on the system, i prefer to see it done through congress. but every day that i wait we're misallocating resources, we're deporting people that don't need to be deported. john, i'm going to give you some time but if you can't get it done before the end of the year i'm going to have to take the steps that i can to improve the system. >> schieffer: are you saying here today, their time has run out? >> what i'm saying to them, actually their time hasn't run out. i'm going to do what i can do through executive action. it's not going to be everything that needs to get done. and it will take time to put that in place. and in the interim the minute they pass a bill that addresses the problems of immigration reform i will sign it and it supersedes whatever actions i

take. i'm encouraging them. we're going to implement executive action, but if in fact a bill gets passed nobody is going to be, it will be permanent not temporary. they had the ability, the authority, the control to supersede anything i do through my executive authority by simply carrying out their functions over there. if in fact it's true that they want to pass a bill, they have got good ideas, nobody is stopping them, the minute they do it, the minute i sign that bill, then what i've done goes away. >> schieffer: we'll have to take a break here, we'll be back in one minute. [♪] great rates and safety working in harmony. open an optimizer +plus

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shared interest in fighting isis. i'd ask you the first question, has he answered? >> i tend not to comment on any communications that i have with various leaders. i've got whole bunch of channels where we're communicating to various leaders around the world. let me speak more broadly about the policies. we're two big interests in iran short-term and long-term interests. number one priority is making sure they don't get nuclear weapon. because of the unprecedent sanction, is that this administration put forward and normalized the world to abide by, they got squeezed, their economy tanked they came to the table in serious way for the first time in a very, very long time. we've now had significant negotiations, they have abided by freezing their program and in fact reducing their stockpile of

nuclear grade material or weapons grade nuclear material. and the question now is are we going to be able to close this final gap so that they can reinter the national community, sackss can slowly reduced and we have verifiable, lock tight assurance, is that they can't develop nuclear weapon. there's still a big gap. may not be able to get there. the second thing that we have an interest in is, that iran has influence over shia, both in syria and in iraq and we do have shared enemy in isil. but i've been very clear publicly and privately we are not connecting in any way the nuclear negotiations from the issue of isil. we're not coordinating. there are some deconflicting in the sense that they have some

troops or militias they control in and around baghdad. we let them know, don't mess with us, we're not here to mess with you we're focused on common enemy but no coordination or common battle plan and there will not be because, this brings me to the third issue, we still have big differences with iran's behavior vis-a-vis our allies. and poking and plotting and creating unrest and sponsoring terrorism in the region, around the world, anti-israeli rhetoric and behavior that's whole other set of issues which prevents us from ever being -- >> schieffer: still our policy that we want president assad of syria to go? >> it is still our policy and it's an almost absolute certainty that he has lost

legitimacy with such a large portion of the country by dropping killing children and bombs and destroying villages that were defenseless that he can't regain the kind of legitimacy that would stitch that country back together again. now obviously our priority is to go after isil and so what we have said is that we are not engaging in military action against the syrian regime, we are going after isil facilities and personnel who are using the safe haven in our strategy in iraq. we do want to see a political settle. inside of syria, that is a long term proposition, we can't solve that militarily nor are we trying to. >> schieffer: let me ask you this, you had a tough summer. we saw the rise of isis, outbreak of ebola, trouble in ukraine, illegal immigrants coming across the border, did you ever go back to the residence at night say, are we

ever going to get a break here? >> we have add a busy six years. this summer seemed to compress even more. but think about when i came in to office. it was worse. because the economy not just here in the united states but globally was in a free fall. i have great confidence in the american people and this administration being able to work through and eventually solve problems. sometimes we don't do it at the speed that keeps up with the press cycle. so we've handled ebola well. but folks aren't talking about as much now but there was a period of time people were anxious. you'll recall just a year in office when there was big hole in the middle of the gulf spewing out oil. and we went through a month that was real tough. nobody talks about that because

we actually had really effective response against the worst environmental disaster in american history. but when you solve the problem sometimes the cameras have gone away. when the problem comes um it's tough. but i tell you what keeps me going every day is to see how resilient the american people are. how hard they work. nothing i go through compares to the guy that lost his job or home or lost his retirement savings or trying to figure out how to send his kid to college. what i keep on telling my team here is, don't worry about the fact that we're overworked or we're getting picked on, yeah, that's all irrelevant. what is relevant we have the chance to help that person every single day, and we do. sometimes going to get fanfare for it and sometimes you're not. i still consider this the best job on earth. i'm going to try to squeeze

every last ounce of possibility and the ability to do good out of this job these next two years. >> schieffer: six years in to administration is a time presidents seem to make changes, some of them really shake things up, they bring in new people, they launch new programs. do i get the sense that you're not planning something like that? >> i think there is always going to be changes. if you look at after each election, i don't see -- >> schieffer: from what i've heard from you you don't plan to do much different than what you've done so far. >> bob, i think that what you'll see is a constant effort to improve the way we deliver service to customers. experimenting with ways that i can reach out to republicans more effectively. making sure that we're reaching out and using the private sector

more effectively. lot of things we're learning is that there's a real power to being able to convene here in the white house, not every problem has to be solved just through a bill, just through legislation. we will be bringing in new folks here because people get tired. it's a hard job. what i've told everybody, i want you to have as much enthusiasm and energy on the last day of this administration as you do right now or as you did when you first started. otherwise you shouldn't be here. >> schieffer: you came here talking about hope and change, do you still hope, was the change harder than you thought it would be? >> i always thought change was going to be hard. but i will tell you, bob, when i look back over the last six years i am really proud of the fact that people have jobs who didn't have them before. people have health insurance that didn't have them before. young people are going to college that couldn't afford it before. we've made big changes, but what

makes me hopeful is the american people. and change is inevitable. we have the best workers, we got this incredible system that attracts talent from around the world. we continue to be a beacon for freedom and democracy. we've got extraordinary military, an economy that is growing faster than anybody else's. we've got these incredible national resources and we are the most innovative than anybody on earth. there's no reason for us not to succeed. change will happen. but america is always at the forefront of change. that's our trademark. even after, over 200 years we're still a young country we don't fear the feature. >> schieffer: thank you, mr. president. >> thank you soap much, bob, i enjoyed it.

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