>> schieffer: former president george w. bush has written a book about his dad 41. we went to his library in dallas to talk with him about it. many of you saw part one of that story on "sunday morning." in part two, the former president talked a little politics including the possibility that his brother, jeb, may run for president in 2016. >> a lot of speculation about him. i occasionally people the speculation by saying that i hope he runs. i think he'd be a very good president. i understand the decision-making process pretty well. i know that he's wrestling with the decision. >> schieffer: if you had to make an estimate right now, what do you think is going to happen? >> i think it's 50-50. he and i are very close. on the other hand he's not here knocking on my door agonizing

about the decision. he knows exactly the ramifications on family, for example. he's seen his dad and his brother go through the presidency. i would give it a toss up. i know this about jeb, he's not afraid to succeed. in other words, i think he knows he could do the job. nor is he afraid to fail. >> schieffer: is it a family thing? >> yes. one of the lessons that you learned from george h.w. bush you can go in to politics still be a good father. the priorities of your life don't have to be compromised. i know jeb's priority is his family. a priority. also his country. and his deep faith. and he has seen that you don't have to sell those out in order to be politician.

>> schieffer: but it was family that almost kept 41 from running again. in 1991, george bush told his son he was seriously considering not running again because of his son neil's legal troubles with a failed savings and loan. george w. bush's response, you still got work to do and the country needs you. but bush, the hardest part of being a president's son, was seeing his father lose. >> the defeat was really hard. ironically enough it did make it easier for me. because when people criticize my dad, somebody who i admire greatly, i didn't react well at times. it really, really affected me. when they criticized me, the sting wasn't nearly as difficult actually buying his son during his presidency created kind of a layer of asbestos. only thing i was concerned about

was how would my girls react when they were put in the same position i had been in. >> schieffer: would his father had won reelection, texas billionaire ross perot not entered the race unexpectedly make eight three-way contest with bill clinton. >> i think he would have one. >> schieffer: you do? >> absolutely. and i just can't prove it. this is all conjecture, i think he would have won ultimately there would have been a clear choice between a guy who had very good first term and untested governor. >> schieffer: after the gulf war, your father drove saddam hussein back in to iraq, his rating went to 89%. but then he was defeated in the election. >> from 89 to 39 on the poll that really mattered. >> schieffer: how did that affect you? >> it's an interesting lesson of

how to spend political capital. in the book, somewhat dismayed about inability for white house to connect the message to connect with the american people that domestic politics really mattered for george bush as much as international politics. he had a lot of capital to spend. in retrospect it wasn't spent wisely. >> schieffer: you write in the book, when you decided to send troops in to iraq it was not to finish what your dad had started. >> very few defensive moments of the book that happens to be one. i was just responding to the gossip that tends to work around the political circles that clearly only one thing in mind, that was to finish the job his father did. my daddy sided not to go in to baghdad after getting saddam hussein out of kuwait. i went in there as a result of

very changed environment because of september 11th. the danger ruled, we were concerned about was the weapons would be put in to the hands of terrorist groups that would come and make attacks of 9/11 pale in comparison. and since this is a book about my dad i thought it was necessary to kind of set the record straight. >> schieffer: you said in the book, he was right and i was right, too, in 2003. >> right. i agree. >> schieffer: were you surprised when you gave the ultimatum to saddam that he didn't leave. did you think there was a chance? >> i really did. >> schieffer: you really did? >> i did. when he was captured i was told that the fbi agent that talked to him, he said, i just didn't believe bush. it's hard for me to believe that he didn't believe me.

we'd given ultimatum to the taliban and make a point in the book, of course, dad understood this better than anybody, when you say something as president you better mean it. words mean something. and he was very clear at times during his presidency, i thought i was pretty clear at times during my presidency in that saddam hussein didn't believe us. i was surprised. >> schieffer: but you thought that he would believe you and that he would leave. >> i thought that there was a chance, yeah. certainly hope so. but he didn't. so that's why i put in the book he chose war. twice did he choose war. >> schieffer: when former first lady laura bush joined us we turned back to the possibility of a bush 45. let's talk about the bush dynasty here. your mom says there have been enough bushes running for president, what do you two think about that? >> sometimes her

prognostications haven't been very accurate. i think you have to earn your way in politics. i don't think anything is given to you. >> schieffer: i think the question that every candidate faces, you have unique perspective on this, if it were putting the family through -- >> that's what every candidate has to think about because it is -- even since george and i lived at the white house, social media has increased so much, lots of mean and terrible things on the internet about every family for which -- even we didn't have. but i think that that everyone has to weigh that. >> schieffer: from your perspective, has politics, my sense it's gotten a lot meaner. in the older days -- >> i hate to be one to talk 'the old days. people were held to account for what they said. there was a pushback.

now just so much stuff out there, people say what they feel like saying without any consequences. >> if jeb bush does run will you campaign for him? >> it would be totally different. i'd do whatever he wants. i will be one of his strongest backers if he wants me out there publicly, i'd be out there publicly. if he wants me behind the scene, i'll be behind the scenes. i'm all in. he'd be a great president. country could use optimistic. >> schieffer: what about you. >> i agree, absolutely. >> schieffer: would you campaign? >> sure, if he wanted me to. >> schieffer: i want to wish you both. thank you very much.

bob we're back with our pam to talk about all of this in the election on tuesday. peggy noonan contribute tore cbs news and "wall street journal" couple nest. the legendary bob woodward of the "washington post." michelle norris from national public radio. you're not old enough to be a legend yet. and david gergen of harvard who has been in both republican and democratic administration. it's really contrast to see a

president and a former president on the same broadcast. i think it's a lot easier for former presidents to speak on television than it is presidents, michelle. >> obviously. i mean just the body language. the comfort. president bush talks about a wave of asbestos, phrase we not hear roll off his tongue when he was in environment of presidency. but also interesting that there was difference, reasons for going to war, talking about when president bush was talking about messaging, echoed some of the challenges that president obama faces today. but, boy, what a contrast to see the two of them. >> in part it was what we saw here was portrait of two presidents, one is a happy man. lived through history being satisfied with the role he

faced. the other is a sitting president who just took it straight on the jaw in an election, he made point of saying he loved his office but made you sit back and think, yeah, are you sure you do? it was the difference between being in the thick of it and having the tranquility of reflex and retirement. >> schieffer: bob, what is your take away? >> one similarity they're both selling something. george w. bush is selling a book. and obama is selling what happened in the mid-term election and trying to put the best spin on it. i found the interview with obama very revealing. because he said, reach out to the other side. to persuade and sell t. you're going to reach out to the other

side on something one of the things you want to do is listen. but we didn't hear that. and what we heard is the continuous obama line, i'm heading in the right direction. this is right. and no one knows better than obama that all these powers are shared with congress. and a "go it alone" approach is just not going to work. >> schieffer: david? >> i think we got a revealing example of why ex presidents tend to go up in popularity once they leave office. they can be more candid. they can be a little funnier, and they can talk about -- can show personality they're not pulled in to politics of washington and diminish everybody who comes here. once you're out of that, just more refreshing, more interesting. i think thought president obama,

the first book he ever wrote was one of the best, memoirs. he has capacity to write the best memoir since ulysses s. grant, which was more about the war. way he now talks is everything is deflected. everything -- you don't get an understanding of who he is and what he's really thinking. you get sense of what the line is. >> he also i think the president has taken to putting a lot of padding in his message. you can say the words "i like you" you can give a 14-yard sentence that has parentheses, you know what i mean, that's what you do when you're running out the clock and there's certain running out going on. but i think one of the really big stories that we saw in your interview, but also in the past few days with the president is that he's very significant, election occurred, everybody looked at the president like, what does this change for you, he has made it clear, one way

and another and in this interview i think that this will not change his method of operation a bit. which means he's not going to change his relationship with congress which means more of the past six years. >> schieffer: do you agree with that? >> we don't know that, though. part of presidential strategy, part of political strategy not necessarily revealing your hand. you noted that president may be running down the clock, if you actually talk to people in the white house indication that that is not the case. dennis mcdonough has been reminding people on staff something that president has said that important things can and do happen in the fourth quarter. he is very competitive guy. anyone who knows him knows just how competitive he is. idea of sitting back and running out the clock and doing same thing that has led you to a point of defeat, just doesn't seem like that would be him.

>> they do see the fourth quarter. he's 20 points back. he just has to communicate better. one of the things we saw today, which was very, very clear once again he says, i want to change, i want to reach out to the republican i want to change, but by the way i'm going to sign this executive order, period, end of sentence. most people in washington think that is going to throw a hand grenade in the middle of the conversations. >> schieffer: the "washington post" said as much they not always been -- anxious to criticize the president. >> a disengaged style that in terms of congress that just is not working. and he looks isolated. you talk to people in the white house and try to enter in and understand the mind of president obama. he looks at the critics he says,

now, wait a minute, they're saying things like -- on your editorial page saying that it's been six years of economic catastrophe. he says, now, wait a minute, look at all of the things we did and he's really got a point. you get this kind of wall that he builds up but so does the opposition. somebody's got to tear that wall down. >> schieffer: i'm just going to say this. sources have told me that the president met with congressional leaders on friday for lunch. the president of the united states announced to them, he held this announcement until he could brief these congressional leaders about it. he's sending more americans in to harm's way in a very dangerous place. he's doubling the size of the u.s. military commitment here. yet i am told 90% of this

meeting was an argument between the republicans who were there and the president over whether he was going to issue this executive order on immigration. i think president has done a lot of things wrong in how he deals with washington but it seems to me, i think you're right, the other side has got to figure out way to change the way they do business, too, if anything is going to happen. >> there may be some indication that the newly elected members that are heading to washington get that message. cory gardner said that washington has to lead with competence and maturity. sending message they want to distance themselves from a do-nothing label that it is time that voters have spoken to get something done. >> he's the boss. he's the one who has got to set the tone. and you have to -- if you chart the time he spends in these meetings and in these discussions, it's not enough to really get to know somebody, he

said to you, i'm going to sell and persuade. two words we didn't hear. listen and compromise. and that's what you have to do even when you're the boss. >> that's right. also note that there were -- i think not enough of the big meeting on friday between the congressional leaders and the president was devoted to the new decision on iraq, i get that. but that decision came two days after the election which immediately makes people think, hey, what the heckd the timing of this decision and announcement have any connection with the fact that america was voting all day tuesday this will be a very controversial decision. second, bob's right. a president sets the tone, when the president of the united states one wednesday afternoon listens to the soon to be majority leader mitch mcconnell, i got to be frank, if the president does this big

executive order on immigration and amnesty that will, quote, poison the well with congress. and the president an hour later said, by the way, i'm going to do this. i put my head in my hands i thought. >> bob, i think you're right. fundamental level that republicans have to compromise as well. they have to meet him half way. i don't think we know yet whether john boehner can still deliver the house. i don't know if he has the vote to go to a compromise on immigration. he couldn't get there last time, can he get there now. i don't think we know. the tea party as we know is stirring they're not happy with the direction that the leadership is taking. we'll have to see how it all works out. having said that, the president is the one who lost the elections. the graceful thing, the party that wins doesn't say, okay, we win. the loser has to say i'm going to change course as bob said. then republicans have to

respond. if the president first moment out of the box says, by the way i really want to work with you, first i'm going to spit ip your face over immigration now let's sit down and compromise. >> schieffer: would the president and democrats be better off if the senate majority leader, harry reid, resigned as party leaders often do when their party loses the majority? i hear some people say, yes. i'm wondering about talk after this election, i think the president's relations with the democrats and senate may be as bad as his relations with the republicans. >> that's absolutely true. you get the democrats in private they are on fire. just because he won't spend the time because he won't listen, peggy said yesterday in her column, i think there is real truth here. humility is power. and after you lose, you have to come out and kind of face up to

that and there's a whole undercurrent in the president's approach that, well, you know, it was bad but, you know, that was worse than bad. and i think optimistically i think he's capable and as you're suggesting, he's capable of changing and engaging in that outreach and he just needs to do it and get out of this bubble that he seems to be living. >> can i just point something out? at this very table expressions of humility have been interpreted as weakness. and often when he takes that posture, people are contrite you can almost hear the reaction to that. so there is another way of looking at that. >> that happened before, that he was humble and he was criticized? >> i do. >> schieffer: you know what i

would say in the age of the internet and the web, the web has no sense of humor, the web has no sense of irony. you can be self deprecating, finally admitted -- >> that's right. >> schieffer: there may be something to what michelle says here. i want to thank all of you for joining with us today and being with us. we will be right back. thank you all.

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