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>> schieffer: welcome back to "face the nation." we'll peck up on discussion abut president's decision on immigration reform we're joined by two hispanic members of the house republican raul labrador joins us from boise his home state of idaho in the studio illinois democrat luis gutierrez. congressman labrador seems to me the president put the ball in the republican court. what do you think what he did or was illegal or legal, whatever you think about it what are republicans going to do about it or what are you going to do now? >> several things we need to do. number one it was illegal for the president to do this. he has been saying the last three years that he did not have the authority to do it now he changed his mind. i think it's also unfortunate because right after the election he looked in to the camera disagreed that his policies were

rejected. he looked in to the camera tolded american people that this election was about working together with congress. specifically working together with the republican party. this is what he does right after the elections instead of uniting us like he promised seven years ago that he was going to do he's dividing the nation in every single area. what we should do lot of different things. number one we should -- i think it's unfortunate that he did this, i think we need to layout clearly why this is unlawful. we need to pass a funding bill that separates homeland security from that funding bill. and i think we also should writer the president of the united states to go through a comment period, just like we have to do for regulations under the administrative procedures act. and finally, i think this is most important part, we can't take the bait from the democrats. we isn't we we're not going to do immigration reform. tell the american people what we're for. we need to show them the step by

step that we have been doing in the house. it's unfortunate to hear the president and other democrats say we haven't done anything. we have passed legislation out of the house and democrats have refused to work with us on that legislation bob are you going to try to pass some sort of legislation during this lame duck or let it go to next year? >> if it was my decision i would start passing legislation. in fact i asked our leadership to start passing legislation two weeks ago. we need to start with the border security bill. we need to show the american people that we're serious about border security. i think we can do something like we already passed out of the house the hi-tech immigration. >> schieffer: what did your leaders say, did they give any indication that they're going to? >> i think we're going to start doing things. as you know i serve on house judiciary committee and immigration subcommittee. i think we're going to pass legislation. but not going to be legislation that the president is asking for. we have rejected the legislation

the president has been asking for. we as republicans do not any you should give am necessary fee first and talk about security late cher is what the senate bill did. we think security, border security foremost in our mind and in the minds of the american people we need to do that first then need to do step by step approach where we reform the entire immigration system that is completely broken. and we can then do what the american people want us to do. >> let me go to luis gutierrez from the democratic side of the aisle. what is your response to that and where do you think this -- >> a couple of things. surprise, surprise, surprise. the president of the united states to listen to him anybody would think that the president of the united states when he gave state of the union address last january took the gavel away from the speaker of the house at the state of the union address. he said to the nation, if you do not act, i will use the power that i have as president of the united states to begin to fix

the broken immigration system. he repeated that. speaker boehner called him at the end of june said, mr. president, notwithstanding all your good efforts, notwithstanding all my good efforts, the house will not act on immigration reform. what did he say? i called my cabinet together i will act on immigration. seems to me that the argument is now we're going to start legislating. it's 2 months in to the legislative session. they control the house of representatives. they don't need a single vote from the democrats, we could have been in conference right now. i am no the saying to my friend raul labrador, he necessary that i never said this, i said let's passion a house bill. make sure when they said, we didn't walk away from it. said there was no path to citizenship. we didn't walk away. when we gave them 30,000 more border p pa troll agents we

found way the finance that. i think the problem here if you listen to mr. mccaul they mix things up, they want border security, border security. comprehensive immigration reform secures the border you cannot secure the border because they keep talking about a border. between mexico and united states. let me suggest to the american people that there are other borders called lax, called kennedy, called right here washington dulles, airports all over this country millions of undocumented workers that came through those borders. if you want a bill, you truly want to secure our community the president, bob, was forced. think about it they want to censure the president. i'm inviting millions of people to come forward, go through background check, criminal background check at their own expense, pay the taxes that they oh, go back and work and raise

their american citizens children. i think children are special and they're special no matter what immigration condition of the parent that they have. >> schieffer: let me just ask you this. some people are already saying that the president taking this action is just going to cause more immigrants to. do in now because they want to come in get in on this deal. >> you want to know something, great question. number one, let me say the following there's no path to citizenship that the president is offering. they can't get a single benefit from the government. they can pay all the taxes that you and i, i'm sure you feel better i feel better that they're paying taxes. we feel better they have gone to the background check. what the president said, i don't want to break up families. we're going to put more border patrol agents. you know that under the

president's program the border patrol is going to be able to get increase in their pay. why? because commensurate with their new responsibility they should get paid. the president was very clear in his message. he said, if you're a criminal in the united states it just got worse for you because we're coming after you. guess who we're not going after, the kids, families, in the deporting a thousand people every day who do not present a threat to america. >> schieffer: both of you have come the this with considerable passion. congressman labrador i'll let each much you, 0 seconds, tell me what is the most important thing that the american people need to know about this right now. you go first. >> most important thing they need to know is that we need to follow the law. if the president wasn't foreking the law we wouldn't have the problem that we have right now at the border. we are going to have a flood of people coming to the border i think same thing that happened with the amnesty of 1986, same

thing that happened just couple of years ago with the docket decision that's unfortunate. the last thing we need to pass immigration reform. it has to be conservative immigration reform. american people would like to do something about 12 million people that are here, most important responsibility that we have as members of congress to protect both borders. i have the border at the door. has the boarder with canada we're concerned about that as well not just southern border. >> all right. >> check the tape. first time any border has been spoken about that isn't border between mexican and united states that's in the right direction. my friend waited the last 2 months, we could be in conference right now passing a bill benefitting the american people. bob, they have 180 days starting january 1 before first person 'place for work permit under the executive authority. roll up your sleeves, you are sent to washington to govern you have majority in the senate,

majority in the house and i am ready to sit down and fix the problems in america. >> schieffer: i want to thank both of you. we'll be back in just a minute with our panel of analysts in a minute.

>> schieffer: for analysis we'll turn to our pam list, suesage page the washington, michael gerson for "washington post," speech writer for

george w. bush, david ignatious is also a "washington post" columnist. clarence page is columnist for the "chicago tribune" he's the author of this new collection of columns "cultural warriors." and last but not least mark leibovich for the "new york times" magazine. i didn't know quite where to start but i tell you this. so much energy in this discussion about immigration i've got to start there. susan, what is going to happen? >> i think president obama has done an amazing thing. he's put republicans on the spot, using a different tone from the republicans, no government shut down, we don't want to take the bait and overreact maybe they will actually sit down work on immigration legislation. that is an amazing thing. what we heard from republicans their concerns how are they going to looking forward to

2016. >> schieffer: clarence, have republicans come up with how they're going to reas a matter of fact we heard john boehner right after the morning after the president's speech. he talked about being emperor or king. he didn't say what they machine to do. >> he didn't. what we do know that house republicans have been divided up to now. president obama pulled them together as he often does in their mutual disdain for him. a great opening for them, because he has taken action on the part of reform that democrats like, which is bringing people out of the shadows and keeping families unified. the border security part which congressman labrador brought up to the republicans. they will push back with i predict with legislation of their own which calls for the stronger border security without

disrupting too much the family unification and those types of issues that democrats care about. >> schieffer: mark, you are kind of an expert on hypocrisy in washington after the book called "our town" and seeing beneath the surface, seeing things that may look one way and somehow turn out to be another. what is your sense of why the president chose to this route. >> i think obviously, people look at the political -- i think, from what people have told me, that he was upset that he didn't do anything before the election. he feels like he's been not played, but does not like doing things that are so negatively political. the timing of that was seen that way, he would probably admit to that now. i'm struck by the tone also in the republicans, especially last

few days. what they're trying to do is let this play out in a non-grandstanding kind of way. that could be a presidential context. someone like ted cruz or rand paul or someone more conservative governors like rick perry taking this issue. they have strong legislative hand now. something could actually work in way that might not have before. >> do you think so, mike? >> we're seeing that the leadership now has some leverage. we had congress that was controlled by people who were extremely in the past, right now leaders are in charge of their strategy, trying to determine what they do. don't want to do much in the mid term rather wait until they have both houses in congress. they do have a resolution, have to do something whether to prevent something worse from being proposed.

there is every lakely hood that the republicans will come back and pass something, try to put the president on the spot. that is the approach that disagrees with the skew testify order but embraces comprehensive reform which is with a republican can't date will have to do. >> schieffer: what do you think, david, you've been watching washington for a long time as i have. do you see any chance that things are going to change around here? >> i see a little more possibility of that after this morning's discussion, like susan i was struck by the two republicans that you talked to, each saying they want legislation and talking about the parameters of it. we have a system that's broken. and it's broken, unable to deal with an issue immigration that public cares about. president acts unilaterally to deal with that. he said, give me legislation, we

heard today the republicans are going to give him legislation that will start a process of bargaining, where they will send something up, he'll have to decide, question expect this, do they have to come back with something closer to what i want to do. i hate to say it but broken system that may be the only way forward. >> schieffer: it's not just i am breaks system that's broken it's our whole political system that's broken. as far as i'm concerned. the fact that congress is in gridlock seems to me just a symptom of the real cause that's our whole political apparatus here just sort of -- as we saw in this election. 37% of the american people voted. that's the lowest voter turn out since world war ii as i just remarked. i was stunned when i found that out. >> that's alarming far our system to have so few people voting. but not to be too pollyanish,

but when there was talk about bipartisan effort on sentencing reform that's the kind of issue where there is bipartisan agreement. no willingness to step forward on things that you might agree. maybe there is, the incredible frustration that americans have expressed which is reflected in the fact that so many people didn't turn out to vote. maybe that is beginning to have some kind of affect here. >> schieffer: do you all think that the mid terms will actually have any impact on 2016? i hear, mid terms are mid terms. they really don't affect what happens. >> they will have impact, landscape has already changed, president obama's 'poach, that says patch things up after mid term. no, he's provoking the system and as we heard this morning produce legislation as a result. people like ted cruz and dick durbin that normally don't work together have been for months.

sentencing reform was is coming together we're going to see some kind of trade deal now, republicans will give president obama more trade authority because they want the president to have that. and i think we're going to see some things change after the mid term. >> i think first of all if you look at the three leaders, speaker boehner, mr. mccontinental and president have less to lose. he's not running again. he's internalized that we can see that at work in his actions. mcconnell is not going to be up for reelection and speaker boehner don't her a lot about his position being precarious. these are all institutional, they might be much more position to deal on things like tax reform. maybe we are being pollyanish, but why not. >> you wrote a piece on chris christie, i take it he's

running. >> i think he is. he's doing everything he can that would be putting things in play. what he's not doing is talking about anything of any substance. he's been completely silent on immigration reform where as governor bush, two people with might run have been vocal especially taking more moderate position. he seems to be doing everything else politically that would suggest. >> schieffer: i think kasick is the dark horse. i think he might run, might do well. >> he's got ohio. he's pretty well respected in the party. he's had great cycle. i think lot of people are looking -- >> still looking at jeb bush. he's making some statements that this is a possibility. i think if he doesn't get in the race there will be serious look at the tier below him. john kasic, blue collar appeal,

appeals to religious conservative. 25% of the african american votes in ohio in his re-elect. admittedly weak opponent but serious win. this is the swingest of the swing state. give serious consideration. >> i would 'degree, other things jeb bush for less couple of years, has not at the top but tea party still out there that's what gets in the way of john kasick and web jeb bush. >> schieffer: i did not think he was go tg run until i talked to his brother, george w. bush, who he says, it's 50-50. but i just sensed that the family now beginning to think he is going to run. >> when i interviewed injury on his book, sounds like family campaign to get him to run.

he says, yeah, i think there is. i also wonder if the family would get out there as far as they have without thinking that jeb bush wants to be encouraged to get in the race. >> schieffer: we need to talk about what's going on in vienna. sounds from margaret brennan's report this morning, david, there's not going to be an agreement. >> it does sound that way. 24 husband before deadline having covered labor negotiations i'm always reluctant to say it's over. you never know about the 11th hour, 59th minute. but right now both sides seem to be positioning themselves for an inability to reach a comprehensive agreement. then question is, will they seek to extend bargaining that they have perhaps pocketing the areas of the agreement that have emerged over the last year and setting those aside saying we've made enough progress this we're going to work on these areas where we're still fairly wide apart. i've been struck by the way

which iranians are trying to signal, this isn't our fault. we've been reasonable as if they're getting ready for the day after they don't want to be blamed. >> schieffer: we're talking of course about how to find way to put limits and stop iran from -- >> stretch the time that iran is required to build a nuclear weapon. that's president obama's goal. >> schieffer: israelis say they should shut down everything they won't be satisfied with any kind of deal unless just said, everything stops. is that possible? >> it's probably not possible, would have been possible five year ago. but series of hurdles have been crossed in that time period. i think the danger is that if an agreement is reached that iran can enrich uranium, other

nations in the region starting with saudi arabia will insist on the same thing. then the nightmare of proliferation of nuclear technology in the whole region will be a set rate that should scare everyone. >> schieffer: will israelis allow that to happen? >> i think there are lot of isry lease say, an ugly deal that is safer than we'd be without one that's deal he wasn't seeking. would be preferable to taking the action. they probably don't have the weapons to be able to take out the nuclear program. i'm see pressure on the u.s. to do the thing. >> schieffer: if they launched it they -- they could start a conflict, probably couldn't finish it. >> schieffer: we have to end it there. thanks for being here this morning. we'll be right back.

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