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bob today on "face the nation" the eric garner case has taken another tragic turn. now two police officers are dead. new york patrolman rafael ramos and question january liu were shot and killed at point blank range while sitting ip police car by deranged gunman seeking revenge for garner's death. nypd commissioner. >> two of new york's typest were shot and killed with no warning, no provocation. they were quite simply assassinated. >> schieffer: we'll get latest and talk to naacp president cornell william brooks. next, perspective on the week's other big story, the sony hacking case and change in cuba policy from republican senator
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marco rubio and lindsey graham and democratic congressman chris van hollen. plus the cbs news tradition, an end of the year round up with our cbs news correspondents. 50 years of news because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning again we begin with a new york story cbs news correspondent. >> good morning, bob. officers liu and ramos were in their squad car brooklyn yesterday afternoon when police say 28-year-old us nail brinsley opened fire numerous killing both officers then ran to subway station where he took his own life as police were closing in. earlier that morning police in baltimore say brinsley shot and wounded his ex-girlfriend. he posted numerous messages on instagram warning of his plans that said, putting wings on pigs today.
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shoot the police follow weeks of protest over failure of various grand juries to indict officers involved in deaths of black men. some of those protests here in the city turned violent. and the police union chief part of blame clearly on shoulders of the mayor who is mother sympathetic to the protesters than the police. >> there's blood on many hands tonight. that's on the hands, on the steps of city hall in the office of the mayor. >> today police all across the city as well as country are mourning the loss of two of their own. now the family of eric garner the man who died in police custody while he was being arrested for selling loose cigarettes, has condemned the shooting. they will be taking part in press conference here at harlem later today with the reverend al sharpton. bob. >> schieffer: thank you so much. both president obama and
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attorney general eric holder condemn the killings and urge calm, for more now we turn to the head of the naacp cornell william brooks. mr. brooks, i want to ask you first, you heard what the head of the police union just said. former governor of new york george pataki, republican, sent out a tweet also very credible of democratic of the mayor, these are his words, we're sickened by these barbaric acts which sadly are predictable out come of divisive anti--cop rhetoric of attorney general eric holder and bill de blasio is that fair? >> i don't think so it's fair. i send my condolences to the families of these police officers. i don't think it's fair because the clear insanity of lone gunman to the peaceful protests and aspirations of many people across the country including the
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attorney general, the mayor, even the president. simply not fair. >> schieffer: this does appear as you say to be deranged man. but are these shootings somehow a step backwards in the effort to try to get this thing right? >> i believe it's not a step forward. we have a violence problem. think about it this way. the tears of the families of these police officers and the tears of eric garner's family and michael brown's family, aren't shed in law enforcement blue. they're colorless. they're tragic. unnecessary. we have a violence problem. the policies that we're pushing to protect not only the public, but police officers and families that they hope to go to at the end of the day, members of the public. >> schieffer: what can be done? what should be done now? >> we've got to push for reform in policing. but that is a part of larger
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challenge of addressing violence in this country. we can certainly push for federal, municipal and state legislation. we got to be clear here. it is simply wrong to violate the command meant of thou shall not kill. the police officers in uniform or civilians, that's wrong. >> schieffer: we want to thank you for coming in. coming in on short notice this morning. >> thank you. >> schieffer: we turn now to the other big stories of the week, the hacking of sony and the repercussions and the president's surprise announcement about changing relations with cuba. we welcome senator marco rubio of florida. senator, let me ask you first about this sony situation. you, last week, asked the question to, quote, undo the damage freedom of speech and express caused by sony's decision not to release this movie. what exactly do you want him to
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do? >> well, first of all i think the president end of the year press conference alluded to the fact that there would be response and strong one and measured one but that's reciprocal. i'll support that. the tactics of that is something i probably wouldn't say, but suffice it to say there needs to be responded to multiple ways. first, the response that the president is thinking through, second, i think it's important that that movie be played. that that movie be seen. i don't know if it's a good movie but now important that that happen. that we figure out way to get that out there so americans can watch it. it's unacceptable to this attack not just on business located in america but on our constitutional freedom, unresponded to, stays the way it is now it is going to be incentive for others to try to do the same thing in the future. >> schieffer: the head of the republican party said the republican party will ask people to buy a ticket to that movie. is that a good idea? >> i think as many americans as possible that can show that
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we're not going to be deterred by these attacks, better off we'll be. the problem sony is seeing that movie theaters don't want to show it. i think it's critical. downloading it on streaming video platform or actually having people open up their facilities to watch this movie i think it's important part that we show that we're not going to allow these attacks to infringe upon our constitutional rights. >> schieffer: the north koreans have warned there will be repercussions if we take any kind of action and response. that we should join them in investigating this. should that be taken kiir justly? >> no. it shouldn't. the not even government it's a criminal syndicate that needs to be treated as such. they possess nuclear weapons and led by irrational leader. north korea is a growing problem in the foreseeable person you
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have person running that country that is mentally unstable, also fully capable of over estimating his own strengths ends up and creating catastrophe not just south korea but japan and the united states. it's a very serious threat. not just a cyberthreat. i think north korea has potential to become source of huge instability in the next few months. >> schieffer: let me ask you about cuba. you obviously are very much against this and made that known. you were the first person out to say the president is wrong in doing this. you have opposed it for a long time. can you and other republicans who oppose this, can you stop this from happening and how would you do that? >> well first of all it's important to understand why i oppose it i am not opposed to changes in cuba policy, we need to examine our foreign policy. i'm opposed to changes like this that have no chance of leading to the result that we want, more freedom and more liberty for the cuban people. this change is predicated upon
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with false notion that engagement alone automatically leads to freedom. and i think we got evidence that that is not the case. look at vietnam and china, countries that we have engaged no more politically free today than they were when this that engagement started. our job is twofold. one important to have oversight how these changes are made. there is existing law that codified the u.s. em bar dough whatever regulations are now written to implement the president's new policy have to live up to that law. and beyond it i think we need to examine as cuban government doesn't make think changes to the human rights they're going to arrest people today, they arrested people yesterday. they're going to continue to crackdown on opposition in the islands. we need to hold this administration accountable for these policies changes and fact that cubans do nothing to live up to or open up political space, constantly challenge and reexamine these policy changes the president made. >> schieffer: rand paul, who like you is considering whether to run for republican nomination
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for president in 2016 is one of the few republicans who came it in support of what the president did. he said he thought it was a pretty good idea, what was your reaction to that? >> well, obviously i disagree. he halls the right to become a supporter of president obama foreign policy but premise on the same false notion that engagement alone leads to freedom. it doesn't. we have engagement with vietnam and china. their political freedoms hatch not grown. look what china is today after that engagement. china obviously conducts cyberoperations against the united states. internally people have no religion, no freedom, no access to the -- >> schieffer: let me ask you this question. do you think it would be good idea for us to break relations with china? >> first of all comparing china to could you been is not really a probable analogy because china is second largest economy in the world. they have third largest nuclear arsenal on the planet. they are the most populous
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nation on the planet. obviously from a geopolitical perspective our approach to china by necessity has to be different from small impoverished island of 1 million. cuba is a neighbor our foreign policy has very realistic opportunity of helping further the cause of freedom and liberty on the island. in fact what cuba offers that china does not is opportunity to engage with real and vibrant civil society on the island. they were not consulted. they were left out of the equation and rightfully feel betrayed. >> schieffer: senator thank you so much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> schieffer: now on this very busy morning we go to republican senator lindsey graham. he is in clemson, south carolina. let me just start at the top here and talk a little bit about this situation in new york, senator graham. as a republican what do you think about this tweet that george pataki put out he called out democrats eric holder and
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the new york mayor. said some of the blood was on their hands. do you agree with that? >> i blame the shooter and nobody else. >> >> schieffer: any more to add to that? >> no. >> schieffer: do you think it's connected to the other cases? >> i think that the mayor of new york undercut his cops and torch is trying to walk a fine line. what happened in missouri i understood why the cop had to defend himself when you see the video in new york, that that man really have to die. but tone they're setting around the rhetoric regarding the cops incites crazy people. i blame the shooter. >> schieffer: let's talk a little about this cuban surprise we got from president obama to resume relations with cuba. you were very much against that. some people would argue, senator
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graham, that this is a good place for americans to be selling american products. we sell a lot of grain down there. we sell medical products under the heading of humanitarian aid. why do you think it's such a bad idea to do that? >> well, north korea would be great place to sell products they don't have anything. when america engages a country we do so with our moral voice just not cigars and rum. the last 50 years cuba's gone from being interventionist communist power to angola to back water poor dictatorship. without any reason we've changed our policy. look at cbs news stories in 2013 and show me one where cuba is becoming more democratic. as to what the congress will do, bob, if you are being ambassador ship to cuba turn it down because you don't have snowball's chance in hell of get cook confirmed. congress will not reinforce
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that. there will nobody confirmation of ambassador to cuba because castro brothers are terrible dictators who deserve no engagement. they deserve to be condemned and isolated. when it comes to funding any embassy in cuba, i'm in charge of all foreign aid all state department i'll be chairman foreign operations subcommittee, i will do everything i can to limit the size and stake of this embassy because you are rewarding people who kidnap americans and who really are still communists in every way. >> schieffer: senator, do you think that cuba at this point in time represents a security threat to america? >> last year the cubans were shipping arms to north korea in violation of the embargo. yes. cuba to me represents everything that threatens us and who are we. we believe in freedom and democracy, we safe when somebody rattles our shores, practices totalitarian communism in our
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back yard. they were actively trying to send weapons to north korea a year ago. should we be worried about north korea, yes. should we be worried about cuba? yes. but iran is watching. i can only imagine what the ayatollahs in iran must be saying when our president called north korean attack on our way of life not just movie, vandalism, when he reaches out to communist dictatorship done nothing but change they must be feeling pretty good about their chance to negotiate a deal with america. >> schieffer: what about north korea. what should the president do now? >> make it so hard on the north koreans they don't want to do this. we impose sanctions lifted by president bush, put them on terrorism list. put china on notice. it's not a movie it's our way of life. america is not a building with a symbol but way of life. to make a product and receive a profit. to go see what you would like,
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produce something that is edgy that's what we're about. they attacked who we are. when the president called this act of vandalism that just really bothers me greatly. it is an act of terrorism and i hope respond forcefully because iranians are watching everything this man does. when he draws the line in syria against assad and nothing happens. now saying he's contained putin. he owns the crimea, dismembered the ukraine only reason putin is suffering because gas prices have gone down because of opec. nothing we have done put putin in a box. iranians siding up obama i don't like the way they view him because i think he has been weakened and desighs stiff from one end of the planet to the other. >> schieffer: you're not talking about taking military action against north korea, are you? >> you can't attack their first amend. because they don't have one. i'm talking about putting them in a spot in the world where they are diminished beyond where
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they are today. i'm talking about consulting with china holding them accountable without china there is no north korea. we impose sanctions, what's next attack coming, on power plants, on our financial services? this is the first act of warfare that's really gotten a lot of attention. how the president handles this is very important. >> schieffer: you said recently that if the president, if i remember your words, released anybody else from guantanamo bay that you thought maybe impeachment was in order. >> i didn't say impeachment, i said constitutional crisis and it is coming. senator kelly ayot will introduce legislation in 2015 to put moratorium on releases from guantanamo bay because of a 30% recidivism rate. all kind of restrictions on transferring prisoners that the president is ignoring.
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rather than closing guantanamo bay he should be filling up the place because terrorism on the march. i 'lone with senator mccain want to outlaw waterboarding. this president takes every terrorist, reads them miranda rights, gives them a lawyer holds them for a few days puts them in federal court. we can't gather intelligence. one hell of a fight between the president and republicans and democrats in 2015 over guantanamo bay. >> schieffer: we have to leave it there, senator. thank you so much. >> merry christmas! >> schieffer: we'll be back in a minute with a top democrat.
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so you can see like right here i can just... you know, check my policy here, add a car, ah speak to customer service, check on a claim...you know, all with the ah, tap of my geico app. oh, that's so cool. well, i would disagree with you but, ah, that would make me a liar. no dude, you're on the jumbotron! whoa. ah...yeah, pretty much walked into that one. geico anywhere anytime. just a tap away on the geico app. >> schieffer: back with chris van hollen he was on that plane that went to cuba last week return american allen gross. you heard lindsey graham, marco rubio i guess i don't have to ask you a question. what is your response?
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>> we heard a lot of rhetorical chest bumping but i don't think it actually dances to the goals of the american foreign policy. with respect to cuba does advance our goals. we know that the policy of the last 54 years has been a total failure. on its own merits, on own standards that the idea was that we were going to pressure cuba in that i would move the castro brothers out of power. increase more democracy, in fact opposite has happened. we've isolated the cuban people but we've reinforced and helped sustain the power of the castro brothers. more engagement directly with the cuban people. more travel, more trade, more ideas. back and forth. that will over time i think help loosen things up from the bottom up. is it going to happen tomorrow? not expecting transformation but more engagement will work better. >> schieffer: we heard fidel castro's brother, thanks a lot,
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but we're not changing. >> the theory blind this was not that the castro brothers were going to change their views that was the theory behind the failed policy last 54 years. by putting pressure on the island that somehow the castro brothers would say, hey, we're going to have free elections. that failed. we have very different concept here. idea is more direct communication with the cuban people will over time create more personal freedom then over time create conditions for more political freedom. isn't going to happen overnight. >> schieffer: i think that is may be the understatement of the year if what people in the bureaucracy in the state department and other places around town have been say can because, while you can say you're going to do this, say we now have relation, there are lot of things that republicans or those who oppose this can do to block this. this is going to take some doing. congress will be called on toe vote on a lot of it. how do you get this done? >> well, first of all the
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measures the president announced the other day can take place immediately. in other words, he can resume diplomatic relations, we can set up an embassy. we can, of course, increase travel, more trade in the area of telecommunications which will help open up cuban to more communication with the outside world. those are things the president can do right away. to confirm ambassador, of course needs senate ratification there could be debate about that. clearly lift the embargo would require congressional action. no one believes that is going to happen in the next couple of weeks or maybe even next year. but i do believe that greater engagement with the cuban people and through private sector in the cuban economy, which right now is very small. but we can begin to open it up. that's the way you get the conditions for more personal freedom over time. >> schieffer: if you don't change that em bar dough it's -- embargo not much is going to happen here.
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>> a fair amount can happen immediately. in terms of more travel because now people can travel under general license. more trade, especially in the area of telecommunications. the banking connections will change so that will facilitate a greater interaction. of course lifting embargo remains the long term goal. that does require congressional action. >> schieffer: all right. senator -- congressman we thank you very much. that was quite a trip for you to go down there. thank you. we'll be right back. that dares to work all the way until... the am. new aleve pm the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. and for many, it's a struggle to keep your a1c down. so imagine, what if there was a new class of medicine that works differently to lower blood sugar? imagine, loving your numbers.
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