tv Face the Nation CBS February 22, 2015 8:30am-9:01am PST
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>> schieffer: i'm bob schieffer. today on "face the nation," terrorist issue a new threat against targets in the united states. the group responsible for the 2013 attack on a kenyan mall released a new video appearing to call for attacks on american shopping malls. we'll get the latest from the head of homeland security jay johnson. and the chairman of the armed services committee john mccain. then we'll talk to the new governor of texas greg abbott who filed the lawsuit that blocked the president's plan to shield illegal immigrants from deportation. we'll get analysis from our panel, hear from president obama's former advisor david axelrod on his new book "believer" and we'll document the impact this wild weather is having on human behavior.
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it's all ahead because this is "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs welcome jeh johnson the head of homeland security. mr. secretary, let's get right to this video that came out that talks about al qaeda they appear now to be targeting some american shopping centers at least encouraging attacks how seriously do you take this? >> this reflects the new phase in the global terrorist threat that we've evolved to where it's no longer al qaeda planning and operating in secret directing operatives to come from foreign lands to place of attack. now have a situation where groups like isil, al shabaab aqap are publicly calling for individual actors to carry out attacks in their homelands. and in my judgment that represents totally new environment, we have to deal
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with it in a new and different way that involves a whole government approach and involves working state and local law enforcement, working with the community, working with community leaders to hopefully persuade people who might be inclined in this direction to turn away from violence. >> schieffer: are you stepping up security or asking people to step up security at any malls? >> i am confident that there will be enhanced security at the mall in minneapolis. that is the focus of that video. seen and unseen. in response to earlier calls we ramped up the federal protective service at federal buildings around the country. but this most recent release is emblematic of new phase that we're in. doing things here in the homeland has become critical to deal with this new global terrorist threat that we face. >> schieffer: i guess one of the most worry some things abut this whether we think 20,000
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people some way connected with isis maybe three four thousand of those who could come in to the united states without a visa. >> well, that's the other new thing about where we are now. this foreign fighter phenomenon that we see. which requires that we carefully track those here in the country who may be attempting to leave who do leave. we have to carefully track their travel. the fbi does a good job of interdicting those who are attempting to leave charging them with material support to terrorism. but there's some phenomenon of broken travel where we see somebody going to one country they drop off radar then we go in to syria. working with other nations working with our counter terrorism partners to provide collectively about individuals of suspicion is also becoming very important and we've done a lot there, we need to do more. >> schieffer: do we have handle on it or we -- >> we have systems in place to
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track individuals of suspicion who are traveling internationally. there is an unknown factor. i have a reasonable degree of confidence that we know who they are but i don't have complete degree of confidence, there is more work to do there. >> schieffer: i want to ask you about this terrorism summit that the president had last week, turns out that the director of the fbi was not invited, you just talked how the fbi is working with you how can you have a terrorism summit not have the director of the fbi there? >> well, the fbi is definitely very, very active in our counter terrorism efforts. his boss the chief law enforcement officer of the country, eric holder, was there. so -- >> schieffer: that's not like having the director of the fbi there. shouldn't he have been there? >> the fbi -- >> schieffer: i know you weren't in charge of the invitations but shouldn't he have been there? >> the fbi without a doubt is crucial part of our counter terrorism efforts without a doubt. >> schieffer: ask you about something else. you used to work with rudy
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guiliani. he said last week that he thought the president did not love america. what is your response to that? >> you're correct. rudy hired me to be a federal prosecutor 26 years ago. this past 9/11 mayor guiliani and i spent together in new york city touring fire stations police precincts, i know him well. and i respect mayor guiliani a lot for the leadership and visibility he had right after 9/11, it's an example for how those of us in government should respond to a crisis. i think his latest comments are not helpful and are unfortunate. his comments about the president of the united states. i think this he unfortunate. >> schieffer: you have a problem coming up here, your department may actually get shut down because the congress can't agree, there are some in
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congress trying to shut down parts of your department because of the president's immigration policies. what's that going to do? >> well -- >> schieffer: do you think that is going to happen? >> i sure hope not. i think it's regrettable that we're having the conversation. given everything that is going on with the global terrorist threat, harsh winter that we're facing in the south and northeast. everything happening with cybersecurity. very carefully tracking to make sure there is not another spike of illegal migration on the southern border right now there are things that we have to pay for. i hope leaders of congress will come together, i'm talking to democrats and republicans as often as i can about the importance of a fully funded department of homeland security. especially in these times. so i remain optimistic. we've got good people in congress who appreciate the importance of a funded department of homeland security. like senator mccain who i know
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will be on your show and my hope is that we will get there. but it requires the house and the senate to come together. when i talk to them they are doing this -- >> schieffer: do you think this is going to be danger america's security if you have to shut down some of these things? >> well, let me give you concrete example. i'm pushing my headquarters staff to stay one step ahead of isil, one step ahead of-challenges on aviation security, one step ahead in terms of monitoring our illegal migration, our border security on the southern border. if we shut down my headquarters staff is dialed back to skeleton. and so that hampers our ability to do that. plus all the other operations in my department. >> schieffer: mr. secretary, thank you very much. i know you're a busy fellow these days we appreciate you coming by. hope you'll come back. >> thank you sir. >> schieffer: go now to chairman of the senate armed services committee john
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mccain. he's in phoenix this morning where it's a lot warmer than it is here in washington. senator, let me just ask you about this deal, do you think the senate would possibly shut down, cut off funds to the department of homeland security with the country facing what it's facing right now? >> i don't believe we will. now have an exit sign that is federal court decision saying that the president's actions unilaterally are unconstitutional. and i think we have great argument for the united states supreme court where it will go, because 22 times the president of the united states said, it was constitutional for him to take the action that he decided to take. i believe we've got an option there that we should pursue. i'd love to be a friend of whoever is taking this case all the way up to the united states supreme court. i think that's the best way that we can resolve this.
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have no doubt, i am angry as are my constituents in the border state that the president of the united states would unconstitutionally issue the executive orders that he did. >> schieffer: i understand that. i understand your position on that but i mean the idea that the government might actually shut down that the senate would go along with that, i take it you are going to oppose that even though some of your republicans do want to do that. >> i do oppose it. i remember last time we shut down the whole government this would obviously be homeland security, last time we shut down the whole government we turned away 600,000 visitors to our national parks here in arizona. i don't want to see that movie again. >> schieffer: you just heard jeh johnson talking about the terrorism summit. did you come away from that summit, you weren't there but did you come away from it feeling that the united states has a strategy to fight these terrorists? >> we refuse to call them what
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they are in the beginning. isis has to be defeated first. they have to be defeated. with all due respect to the secretary it's not a phenomenon these rising isis and al qaeda threats they are natural out growth of a successful terrorist organization that is now largest and richest and most powerful we've ever seen on earth and in our history. and these other terrorist organizations imitate them because nothing succeeds like success. we have no policy or strategy to defeat them and that's what is terrifying about it. >> schieffer: some of the president's critics say there is disconnect not just between the white house and pentagon or the white house and other agencies but just throughout the government. the idea that you would not invite the director of the fbi to a summit on terrorism,
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strikes me is sort of unusual. then last week there was this incident involving the pentagon and that is, that there was a briefing given by the military on the offensive we have planned against isis they went over the troop numbers, talked about the timing. i know immediately after you and senator lindsey graham put out a statement said when did we start announcing things like this before they happened. then after you said that, then it turns out the white house says well, nobody told us about this basically. i guess my question is, what is going on here? >> it's my question, too. you know, everybody knows that mosul has to be retain it has to happen first because it's second largest city in iraq for whole variety of reasons. but we didn't, in shock and awe describe how we were going to --
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this spokesperson described how when where, what forces and that is obviously critical to the lives of americans as well as the people we are asking to fight in greater dane fer we telegraph everything about our plans to isis. i just don't get it. i don't think when we decided that we need to go to europe in world war ii going to tell the nazis exactly when and where and how we were going to land. it's just very unfortunate. >> schieffer: do you -- have you heard back i guess i would say from the white house since you asked them what was going on? i know you and senator graham wrote that letter have you heard back from them? >> no, we haven't. i'm not holding my breath. >> schieffer: let me talk to you a little bit about ukraine. it sounds like things are getting even worse there. how do you read what's happening
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there and what do we need to do now? >> i believe that german chancellor and president of france legitimized for the first time in 70 years the dismemberment of a country in europe. it's shameful. vladimir putin has not paid any price even the cease fire was violated until he achieved his objective that vital rail link. he'll pull back some now, next so that he can establish land bridge to crimea. honestly, it's terrible. ukrainians aren't asking for american boots on the ground, that's not the question here. they're asking for weapons to defend themselves they're being slaughtered and military is being shattered this is a shameful chapter. i'm ashamed of my country i'm ashamed of my president and ashamed of myself that i haven't done more to help these people. it is really, really
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heartbreaking. >> schieffer: what do you think can be done now? >> we can give them to start with should give them weapons with which to defend them sells. there are russian tanks in eastern ukraine they have no weapon to fight against. they have -- some of the best russian special forces are there and they will continue this aggression for as long as they can get away with it. it's not just the military side but economically they are on the verge of collapse as well. vladimir putin wants ukraine not to be part of europe and us succeeding in doing so, put enormous pressure on the balance particulars and continued occupation of georgia as well. this is really a dark chapter in the history of our alliance. >> schieffer: i'll say this senator, i've known you for a long long time interviewed you many times i've never heard you say i'm ashamed of my country, which you just said.
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>> and i'm ashamed of myself. >> schieffer: senator always good to have you. thank you so much for coming. we'll talk to you later. >> thank you. >> schieffer: we'll be back in a minute with the new republican governor of texas, greg abbott. you can't predict the market. but at t. rowe price we've helped guide our clients through good times and bad. our experienced investment professionals are one reason over 85% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper averages.
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now that you have won your point? >> well, the point that we're fighting on is something that we'll continue through the court process all the way to the supreme court. first and foremost it is essential that we continue to win that point because what we have here is a situation where the president has violated the rule of law. and really contradicted the constitution by actually making up the law and opposing his own standards on immigration system. and so what congress must do is to continue to ensure that the rule of law and united states constitution as constructed are fulfilled. that means congress, not the president, that establishes what our immigration law. >> schieffer: do you think this will go to the supreme court eventually? >> no doubt about it. this is going to the supreme court for couple of reasons. one, because this immigration issue is such a powerful issue in the country right now. second remember this, the lawsuit that i filed against the
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president actually doesn't deal with the immigration issue. what it deals with is an overreach by the president who is refusing to follow and abide by united states constitution instead of allowing congress to establish immigration laws as is required by the constitution instead the president himself is making up new immigration law. >> schieffer: let me ask you this getting back to the first question i asked you. the congress senate is put together bill to cut off funding to the department of homeland security to do just what your lawsuit was designed to do, to stop the president. now that this is in the court system and all that do you think it will be best for congress to go ahead and give them a clean bill and fund the department of homeland security so secretary can get back to doing what he ought to be doing? >> two things, one is the first thing that we want to get out of washington, d.c. is full funding
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to secure the border. the reason why we're in this problem to begin with is because the federal government has not stepped up to fulfill its duty to secure the border. we all saw what happened on the texas border last summer but we need to understand the problem is not going away. already this calendar year since january 1 we've had more than 20,000 people come across it is border, apprehended unauthorized. we have an ongoing problem on the border that congress must step up and solve. however the issue against the president again is something different altogether. >> schieffer: let me ask you this, i'm well aware of what you're talking about at the border but you got 800,000 of these people that are in the state right now. what are you going to do with them? >> well -- >> schieffer: you don't have enough buses to send back to mexico and you can't put them all in jail, what are you going to do with them? >> two things, one is the president himself said these people were coming across the border that he would repatriate
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them as soon as possible. we need to see whether or not the president himself is going to live up to the commitment that he made. the second thing is, what to do with those who are here, by the constitution itself is dedicated to the united states congress knots the president, to decide how to deal with it. so we need congress to have the latitude to fulfill its responsibility to solve the problem. >> schieffer: congress can't seem to get together and decide what to do they just remain at loggerheads. in the meantime you and texas you got 800,000 people there. what are you doing now? >> what i am doing now as governor for the state of texas, i have outlined a plan that does what americans really want to have achieve, that is i have a plan that will secure the border. i'm going to add more than 500 more department of public safety officers, more texas rangers, more technology. we are coming out of our own pocket texas taxpayers' pockets
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of securing the border doing the job the federal government must do. the first step that has to be taken in this whole process to secure the border. >> schieffer: let me, before i let you go just talk about national politics texas is going to be a key state obviously again. you have jeb bush who has texas connections obviously, probably ted cruz he's doing everything he can to run for president. rick perry you do you think all three are going to run? >> i would not be surprised if they all run. if i could expand on that, the texas connection, charlie was born in austin texas, like you were. we also have rand paul who is a texas native. the odds favor that the next president at least republican nominee is going to have a texas connection. >> schieffer: if all of those people wound up running, what the is that five of them, who finishes fifth? >> finishes fifth? who finishes third? that's beyond my predictable skills.
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>> schieffer: have you picked out -- do you have a horse yet? >> what i'm looking for is to ensure, for one, that we have nominee that is committed to what i am most committed to. someone who is going to follow the constitution and apply the constitution. second, someone who is going to step up and do what the american people are demanding, that is to secure our border. >> schieffer: i interpret that to me you are not ready to announce who you are supporting. >> i'm looking for the best candidate who can assure conservative agenda is going to be achieved for america. >> schieffer: thank you very much. i hope you'll come back to see us. i'll have personal thoughts about all of this and beagles in just a minute. stay with us. daughter: do you and mom still have money with that broker? dad: yeah, 20 something years now. thinking about what you want to do with your money? daughter: looking at options. what do you guys pay in fees? dad: i don't know exactly. daughter: if you're not happy do they have to pay you back?
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what a handsome guy. then there was sweet betty, here in a rare outdoor pose, an urban girl she of the only dog i ever knew who understood elevators and preferred indoors to out. i couldn't find a picture of our third being beagle dixie who was just with us a short while before she had to go live with friends down south after she bit a chinese diplomat who strolled past our washington home. it was just after the uprising but i'm certain there was no connection. ralph and betty and dixie lived long lives. dixie for 17 years, which reminds me, i've got a birthday myself next week. in dog years i'll be 546. back in a minute.mo enthusiast. mmm, a perfect 177-degrees. and that's why this road warrior rents from national.
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