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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson sitting in for bob schieffer. prime minister netanyahu is on his way to the united states. before he left he visited the western wall in jeff ruse lem netanyahu said although he respects president obama he strong low opposes the agreement the united states is working on with iran. saying it could endanger our very existence. later called his journey a faithful even historic mission. joining us for some analysis on prime minister netanyahu's speech to congress jeffrey goldberg of "the atlantic" take us out of this political back and forth and talk about the stakes of the u.s. relationship with israel. >> the stakes are the u.s. relationship with israel and even greater stakes are what is going to happen with iran nuclear deal.
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that is historic feature here. in the way perverse genius of netanyahu he's made this week very much about the partisanship of this speech. his own election and everything else. maybe this is what is going to happen wednesday after the netanyahu speech going to realize this is about a very dangerous moment for president obama. he is moving toward an historic adversary, he's about to make a deal that lot of people including people who support the idea of a deal, think might be weak. so we're heading into an incredibly tense period not only between israel and united states but united states and all of its arab allies who are also nervous job you write that netanyahu is hurting his own cause what do you mean? >> i mean that this is a fairly naked play for votes at home. he's going to re-election on the march 17th. could very easily have come on march 18th or 19th just lobby congress against iran deal
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that won't be done by that point. he he has done something even more dangerous than messing around with the political system, threat in this case to turn israel in to a partisan issue in the united states. the united states is israel's second line of defense. first is its own army. second line of defense is bipartisan support in congress and american people. if he turns israel in to a wedge issue, one that separates democrats from republicans on middle east issues, that is very dangerous in the long term for israel. >> dickerson: explain what you mean, president obama is harmed on wednesday. why is he -- >> after we put all the controversy of the speech aside we're going to have to refocus our attention on what is actually happening on the iran negotiation. and it seems from what we know so far, again this is past information, what we know so far is that there are features of
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the proposed deal that seem fairly weak, that may put iran on a pathway eventually toward nuclearly sake. >> dickerson: if the deal looks weak does israel act on its own? >> this has been the fear in washington for years. obama administration and even the bush administration before it done good job of holding israel's fire, if you will. telling them -- literally in 2012 president obama said, israel doesn't have to do whatever its thinking abut doing because we've got israel's back. that's the direct quote. no longer believes that the united states or president obama to be specific has israel's back so yes we come back in to a phase where israel might feel desperate enough and not trusting enough of night states that it feels it has to do something on its own. >> what did you feel about the administration, the way they have been playing this, relationship on susan rice's comments. >> the relationship, this is very, very important point you make. relationship must exist and must
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function on wednesday because we're about to head in to this very intense period where if the united states makes this deal to iran have to give strategic reassurance to not only israel but the arab states, they have to have good communications on some level of trust. i would think at this point that the administration realizes that it needs to pull back a little bit from the heated rhetoric, there is animosity, genuine animosity between this administration and netanyahu administration. you can't have it at a certain point. >> dickerson: between the president and the prime minister? >> you know, i asked the question in 2012, i asked him i said, are you a netanyahu friend? he gave me a very elegant answer. he said you know, we're so busy with our own jobs it's hard to -- but that was a lighting the point they really don't like each other. they actively don't like each other and trust each other that is a problem for allies. >> dickerson: how to repair that? >> this is the $64,000 question. it has to be repaired.
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mature voices must be heard and people must understand that if this is going to succeed, if bringing iran back into the fold or make a strong nuclear deal with iran is to succeed that israel has to understand that this is the way to go, that there's no alternative as senator feinstein said, we're all waiting for benjamin netanyahu to give a better idea. that's what everybody is waiting for. israeli they have to recognize that united states is their true and one and only indefensible ally and deal with it accordingly. obama administration has to realize it can't cut israel adrift. not only fair to israel and go against wishes of the majority of the american people, but it would be dangerous make it -- destabilize the middle east which is already unstable enough. >> dickerson: jeffrey gold per, thanks so much for being here. stay with us, we'll be back with our political panel in a moment.
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running the congress, that they look they they can't govern or -- >> that is a complicated question. that's why this question keeps continuing for the past few years. if you take a look at the republican leaders of the congress i think you can probably fault them for not being able to control their own conference and control the situation, but you cannot fault them for failing to control the dynamics behind the whole thing. the fact is, there are about 50 or 60 republican members who are very skeptical and really in opposition to what they see as de facto amnesty in the united states. they are a small group of the republican conference yet they represent probably the he thinking of almost half the
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country. and they do not really trust the elite of the party or the elite of america's financial community to come through and address their concerns. so i see this whole split intention of something that will likely continue be very difficult for mr. boehner. >> dickerson: what does he have to do to get these guys in line? >> the question that you raise about whether or not governing or just voting no, i think is a big test. that is one of the big problems that john faces that the speaker faces up on capitol hill right now. that you have about 50 votes up there, 50 members that have defined the test of conservativism around voting against this president or voting no on bills. and i think that's the wrong message to take from the last election. so many of these members came to congress because they said, look, i'm going to washington to challenge the status quo but i'm also going to show that the institution can work again. that was the message that both
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speaker boehner and then minority leader mcconnell they came out after that election that's the argument that they made which is that we're going to demonstrate we can govern. the big challenge again that john boehner has is that he has to go out there demonstrate the benefits from the american people and from republican brand of governing versus having these he one crisis after the next up on capitol hill. that is not going to help republicans. >> mid terms end republicans have big win and president has hone he has a second act the president is on the offensive since mid term. john boehner and mitch mcconnell need a second act because what happened on friday will happen again and again if they don't figure out new way to go. the balance impossible to solve in the abstract. case by case barbara boxer and bernie sanders don't have full detail power democrats are going to obstruct in the senate. you don't have to pass on them.
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>> here is where i think you can fault the republican leadership. after the mid term election they came out very eloquently talked about how now republicans both in power are going to demonstrate how they can govern. are going to demonstrate how they are going to put issues important to the american people first. they had to have known when they said those words especially with additional members of a conservative caucus, what it would take to actually make those words a reality. so they either were deluding themselves or being deeply dishonest with the american people because they knew when they said, we're going to demonstrate that we're going to govern, that that was going to mean negotiations and compromise which is absolutely to that conservative caucus. >> the democrats are happy to have ha crack up and seem to be in posture to not really deal with anybody. how does that affect -- >> i wouldn't say happy about
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it. i would say that democrats are under scoring the message that they have said frankly very long time that the conservative idealogs in john boehner's cake us are a problem because they're not interested in governing. what democrats are using this is to underscore that they are not even willing to put the funding of dhs at a moment when we need it the most first as opposed to some idealogs who are trying to prove a point because they don't like something that the president did. >> i'm going to switch now to conservative political action conference which was here this week where lot of 2016 candidates were trying out they all talk about ronald reagan, peggy, did you see any reagans throughout on the horizon? >> great thing about being a reagan is when they're on their way up you can never tell, you always see a reagan in retrospect if you know what i mean. you can sort of see greatness as
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time passes. look, what i saw is a lot of interesting folk, some real awkward moments. i think this is test driving the car. i think it's getting in saying i don't know does the brake work here? is the gas working right? there were moments of awkwardness, we'll see how it goes, it seems there were a lot of interesting candidates who had plenty of room for improvement. but looked promising. >> dickerson: who is running the best race so far? >> cpac in two three groups three guys who barring some collapse unexpected collapse are going to be finalists in this. jeb bush, rand paul, scott walker, all can raise money. all understand the message they plan to drive straight to iowa. marco rubio and ted cruz were very solid they are in their ebb tier right now to me. they are right at the precipice of being in that group saying we're finalists in this. everybody else rick perry
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chris christie mike huckabee who didn't to go cpac i think those guys, rick santorum have to fight their way in to say we are going to be finalists in this contest. >> dickerson: anybody in the republican field look like a real threat to the democrats to the democrat? >> i've said before, that if jeb bush makes it to the nomination and it's a big if, i think that he would be formidable i think on all of the issues that right now republicans are hugely vulnerable on including stance on immigration including their ability to reach out to growing demographics that they know they need to in order to reach the white house, jeb bush has a history, his family has history of being able to do that well. but i just don't see it happening at the moment. i do think did he well at cpac he looked better than what people anticipated and handled it well. but i don't know that this is for sure it's not a done deal because the conservatives again are going to continue caucusing
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on immigration and common core. >> dickerson: kevin peggy mentioned test driving the car. there was tiny moment when the clutch ground with scott walker talking about his ability to take on global problems. he said if i can stand up to the protesters i can manage the world. >> look, i think too much was made of that. i think one of the lessons that scott walker has to take on this will be the test of whether or not his candidacy is up to par. is when you are -- when you're in madison, wisconsin, you make a mistake nobody knows it. you are a potential presidential candidate everybody notices democrats jump in, three or four other campaigns that used to their advantage which seek to elevate that. the big test for scott walker now is, does he learn from this and does he become a stronger candidate as a result. so, i think that is -- i think, look the president himself actually compared isis to the jv that is the commander in chief that's a bigger problem. in the large -- if we have real
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debate, that is a bigger problem. scott walker has to learn from this mistake not to make those type of awkward parallels. then move on. >> talking to people at cpac there are two front runners walker and bush. wish has to defend from the right flank, to me his big challenge is more geographic as front runner, iowa, new hampshire, where does he play, where can he win. walker i think coming out of cpac as a different hall check is people think of them as playing in both lanes which is a strength. social and religious conservative and populous wing also establishment wing. how does he balance that? how does he keep winning favor with the establishment wing that doesn't want jeb bush while not alienating people. he bounced on the populous brilliantly. >> the other big question for bush he is the front run fer uplook at organization and money. he had to make sure he doesn't run like a front runner. has to run that he has to earn this. particularly in the primary states with the -- activists
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don't want to be told who their nominee is going to be. >> they do not want the run for the nomination to look like a hostile take over in which you nail down all of the strategists, all of the party egg heads and all of them money. >> i know that sort of looks like a path to success but to me it also looks like path to daneer. >> nobody ever put a bumper sticker on their truck is that said "money and organization." >> what happened to chris christie? >> i think he's under valued. the best brawler in american politics. if he decides he's willing to run with less money less organization, get in those debates and brawl i think he can still be a player. i'm amazed how republicans across the spectrum have written him off. trouble raising money bush locked up fundraiser now cangs himself as outsider. he told me in new jersey that the reason jeb bush is the front runner for the nomination
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because he's the son and father -- son and boar of presidents. that is going to be populous message, if i'm jeb bush i'm worried about who is going to be on the stage with me i'd be more afraid of -- >> what is the chris christie argument? >> he's going to win because -- got elected twice in blue state he can take it to hillary clinton. >> he's a natural campaigner. can i point out chris christie has opposite problem of scott walker, scott walker gets to say things in wisconsin, the press doesn't notice. chris christie is across the river from mark. he's across the river from the mainstream media they kill him every time. >> one of the things that struck me is that every single candidate took a swing at hillary clinton. they were obsessive about that. >> they had targets. >> that's true. none of the candidates i think i saw this in all the coverage as well, really rose up to the level of being able to deal with
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foreign policy. like she would be able to. if she runs. >> republicans, a lot of them said, ask them what hillary clinton achieved as secretary of state. >> that would be running talking point for sure. >> what is the ons? >> well the short answer to that is that she focused on making sure that america was stronger abroad than it was when obama took office. that is absolutely -- of course republicans will -- >> that's not an answer. >> not a good one. >> an important thing -- name a country who the united states has better relationships now than when president obama took office. >> the world is very complicated place. what hillary clinton was able to do was to make sure that those conversations happened behind the scenes something that had to be repaired when president obama took office. nobody can say that is not true. i think moving forward that is going to be her focus if she runs, she's going to focus on
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how the conversations took place, what she was able to accomplish if iran gets -- she will have done a lot to make sure, to do the ground work for that to be -- >> the arena has best line. her criticism of hilary was that getting on a plane and going some place is something you do, it's an activity. it is not an achievement. you know i think that kind of bolsters the talking point you go back and look -- >> it might have been at -- >> dickerson: before we get to the clinton knock down, the fundraising questions how big a problem? >> they're big and they're careless. i have sympathy for the clintons on this they were taking money to do great work around the world. but she's known she's wanted to run for president. taking money from foreign governments which when she was in state department they didn't think was acceptable good idea. continuing to give paid speeches, i don't quite understand why when this is clearly areas of all her -- why
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she keeps doing this, allows these to happen. almost inexplicable. this gives republicans something to talk about. it gives them something that does -- plays right in to the narrative of the clinton, is that is amongst the most dangerous. >> dickerson: what should hillary clinton do to get out from under that, give back the money, give a big speech explaining it? >> no. giving back the money would be great. i guess what you're saying is how do you get rid of this as an issue, i suspect it's simply going to continue as an issue. i don't think she will give a big speech. i don't think she'll give back the money. and there are republican criticisms that the money for the clinton foundation went not only for wonderful good things. but also for some things that were essentially keeping the clintons going as an operation. will work it's way out the biggest speech is the one that tells us why she is running for president, what she wants to do.
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end of story. >> let's be cheer the clinton foundation is a global foundation. they take money from organization corporations, governments, individuals, from all over the world because of the kinds of things that they are doing to make millions of people's lives better. give back the money, i don't think it's going to happen. if bush becomes nominee should the bush library give back money that kuwait has given them? saudi arabia has given the bush library? >> not his library. >> not her foundation. >> dickerson: and hillary clinton's brothers comparison to roger clinton. >> republicans will have to -- i feel like john boehner here. >> don't make me do my boehner impersonation. >> the big hang over this is the american public looks at this they see the clinton drama coming back. is it something that they want to revisit particularly at time where hillary clinton he's argument, the key argument that
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nicholas to make, what is my vision in this contest for the future. and it's hard when lot of voters are constantly reminded of the bad things about the clintons and the money scandals and influence scandals and that is something that i think really hurt -- >> i think when voters compare the records of the last clinton and last bush, i think hillary clinton will come out winning. >> that is the last word. thanks to all of you. thank you we'll be right back in a minute.
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