>> good morning. welcome to mosaic. it's always a privilege to host . last month we kicked off the season with ash wednesday. hugh interviewed me and i mentioned psalms 51, create in me a clean heart and renew a right spirit within me. then i mentioned matthew six where jesus is -- jesus says where your treasure is, your heart is. these 40 days of lent which we want to be dedicated to our lord and

is hard. it's a great time to go with that with my good friend and colleague reverend hopkins. >> it's really good to see you again. it's been far too long. >> you've been here before. >> i have been honored to be your before and never we'll look forward to our discussion this morning. >> great, great. i know a lot of people know you in the bay area because you've been here in the past quite some time. there's always some guest who seem for the time. >> i've been honored to the pastor for 26 years about. i came in april of 1989. i am a native of salt lake city, utah. i grew up in mountain west.

graduate of american baptist seminary of the west. i spent six years as the associate pastor of greater first baptist church of los angeles near downtown los angeles when i was there. we counted members from 28 different countries. came to lakeshore and 89. i've done a lot of growing up there and my family has grown up there now and kids are grown. happy to see my grandsons in t sunday mornings. >> tell us about lakeshore. >> lakeshore is a very diverse congregation. we view our diversity as a divine mandate. we worked on it. lakeshore became diverse racially in the late 50s and early 60s when it actually worked to integrate the lakeshore

neighborhood. helped an african-american family by a home in the neighborhood contra the redlining that was going on in the real estate industry at the time. that opens the door for african-american families to begin moving into the neighborhood and they found a very welcome place of the church. a majority of african-american members, a good group of folks of asian heritage and for a long time welcoming of the lg bt community. i loved growing up in the alameda open area because of the diversity. i've been administering for 42 years now, so i know the history there. it's phenomenal. >> was so the christmas and easter but after that i think a bigger

celebration as african-american history month which we're just concluding. i've worked really hard on it but always a little pinch of regret because of the great month. i always learn so much. >> read history you guys give. as the go into lent, tell us a little about lent. i had a members say the other day that, i don't particularly like some of you because it said. i love christmas. i said, i different up for. what do you think about went customer >> i think you can be misinterpreted, despairing, and despond. lent recognizes that sometimes we need to do some preparation. if we're going to celebrate good things, we have to do some work to get there. historically, lent has been a time of preparation for easter. it stated -- started in the early christianity when the converts were getting ready to be baptized.

lent was that 40 days not counting sundays from ash wednesday to easter preparing for baptism. it seemed to get ready. we're going to have the reverend join us in the second segment. >> forward to being reacquainted with her as well. >> thank you for starting with us. come join us again.

>> welcome back to mosaic. we've been blessed to have jim hopkins us but we've been blessed to have reverend carol join us. tells about your background and how you enter the ministry. >> i entered into ministry -- well, for folks who don't know, you and i have a long history together.

i was at easter hill when you are there and something sparked in me. but part of that journey is because i am visually impaired. losing that say, if the damages -- it is a degenerative disease. how i could show up to be of value, thus were god really began to speak to me. it is being in the congregation with you and listening to your great work. god moved in means to say that he had a higher calling for me. spent to see you years later, chaplain, then you are part of our revival, it was great to see that. >> i can tell you, it's a great journey. also, you mentioned that part of my ministry is my full-time job at kaiser is a chaplain in the care department. i do a lot of life care

planning. >> you were here about three years ago for easter. it was a tremendous show. i have so many guests who try to get back to you but i'm glad to get back to you. >> i'm in glad you invited me back. >> we had talked a little bit about the beginnings. i had mentioned that sometimes people do not -- they shy away. they like christmas. they see it as joyous. your view of lent, what is your opinion? >> my view of lent today is that it is a time of deep reflection, time of looking inward to see where it is that one wants to grow away from. there are a lot of things sometimes that we here in society, i'm going to give up chocolate or whatever it is, but what i say is, taken inward walk to see what behavior, what attitude, you might want to grow away from so that you can shape

yourself differently, being in the wilderness and that quiet place as i've heard recently, a place of absence where there is silence, time to hear the still, small voice. but a time of growth and renewal. >> that's great. you were at the revival. you say there's a song they sang at the end of your services that they've sung at our church that day. what is that song? >> i give myself away by william dial. it's a praise and worship song. it really kind of centers you in that place to say, i give myself away that my life is not wrong to me but it belongs to god. and then when you come to a reckoning that i am here but by the grace and that all of this is not by my control but it is defined. >> we all need to surrender. that's perfect for lent and easter. jim, tell us more about this.

>> well, this year lakeshore my sermon series is a theme -- i take span class is to keep myself in shape. our spin instructor pushes us. she song us, if it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't change you. that's the theme for lent this year. if it doesn't challenge you come it doesn't change you. so we're focusing in on a portion of the gospel of luke where jesus says, you've got to give up hypocrisy. you've got to do some serious confession. you've got to exercise your generosity muscles and you got what worry in the rearview mirror. that's the same theme of growth that carol is emphasizing. growth sometimes comes with some serious effort. if it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't change you.

>> now, both of you do you have monday thursday services and good friday services? >> we have a monday thursday service that we do with a collective of churches and it will be thursday evening before good friday. we come together and we do for washing and we have the lamb and the sacred meal, but it's a wonderful fellowship of many congregations coming together to just be an wonderful place of sharing the word, hearing the story. again, reflection. >> do you rotate that service? >> we rotate the good friday kind of cycle. we have been fortunate to hold the monday thursday for a couple years and we're happy to do that. that's our part. >> what about you, jim? >> we have a monday thursday service, and just last year we introduced foot washing. i thought for a middle-class congregation, that's going to be

pretty funny. we do offer handwashing option. the totality of community and grace and hope. some people don't know what that is. >> good question. it comes from the latin word new command. the new command in the gospel of john. jesus says, this new command i give you to love one another as i have loved you. monday celebrates the new command. >> that's good to know that. and good friday. >> you originated this community good friday service. and by some of the great preachers of the bay area, sharing the seven last words. that service continues, rich.

it's a very important part of at least my holy week observance. >> i love the fact that we had a catholic priest, lutherans, we've had baptists. >> men and women. >> yours is different. you have a bit different churches. >> this year will be partnering with easter hill in richmond. that's part of our roots. we have moved around like ash wednesday was celebrated at first united methodist in san leandro. so we just kind of move and take ourselves to different places of the community so that we can also know folks in that area and not just be with herself. >> very good.

we'll have another segment here in a minute. i'm sure people are enlightened. we look forward to the next segment. please join us again.

>> i hope you've been with us. we've been talking about easter. i want to know where these churches are. carol, where are you located? >> 165,983rd avenue, a couple blocks off international. we saved the cathedral. >> and there are you located? >> the corner of lakeshore and manzano. 3534 lakeshore avenue. >> that's great.

this friday services, again, this year for you is how where? >> i'll let easter hill in richmond. three 9/11 cutting boulevard. >> we participate in the good friday service at taylor united methodist church in west oakland . 11 and adeline. >> that's right. very good. >> you let another service coming up. palm sunday. >> yes. we have started a organic garden at our church. we took some land in the back of our church and started a youth community organic garden because what we've discovered is that east oakland is a food desert. there is a high incident of health crises so we're trying to do embark on healthy eating but really to cultivate growth and fertility

in that area. on sunday, the 29th of march, we are having a worship in the garden service. the folks interested getting their hands dirty, we welcome you to come. >> you have the whole district plan that garden. >> we start off with our youth and then the district came and they built all boxes and we have a water irrigation system. we have a compost section. it's just beautiful. >> jim, i know you said something about palm sunday is still in the making with the children. >> palm sunday is the fifth sunday of the month of this year and we've dedicated ourselves for almost a year now that every fifth sunday we focus in on a very kid friendly family friendly worship service to make sure that the message is really geared to where the children are at, and we are working on that for palm sunday. we don't know where we will go,

but those kid friendly, family- friendly services are always great fun and great celebration. >> that we dusted easter. what do you say about easter this time? so many people, anticipating expecting. do you find it sometimes difficult to preach a message? let's start with you. >> it can be challenging. people, different expectations. my theology, my womanist shall -- theology is to always open up and be communal and then to offer opportunities for folks to see themselves differently, but to see god as unconditional and loving and not punitive. and so my message this year will be centered around ascension and rising. rising above the circumstances and situations of the muddy water. where god is always calling us to, to rise. >> that's great. jim? >> if crucifixion is the represents the worst of human life,

resurrection represent the very best. my message is going to focus on the theme that things to get better. a message of hope that when jesus is involved, things do get better. >> that's great. both of you, some sundays away yet, but do you have any text at this point and look ahead to see what you might focus on? >> i was reading yesterday. i think i'm going to use mark chapter 16 versus 1 through 8, the theme of getting better. big stone got rolled away. >> but they end with fear instead of -- >> some things stay the same. one of the things that stays the same is the angelic messengers saying, jesus has gone ahead. you'll meet him in galilee. one of the things that stays the same as jesus continues to

lead. >> and we have just a minute. >> i was just thinking about the theme around genesis. i'm going back to the hebrew text around hope and faith and the covenant that god makes with us. >> that's good, that's good. i'd like to hear your sermon. >> we have one more segment. please join us.

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with god in that way of allowing that to nourish us. >> i'm looking forward jeff and communion on easter sunday because communion is a celebration that sustains us in our hope. the bread and the cup keep our easter hope alive. >> good, good. >> i love what both of you said about easter. any additional thoughts about the easter message? why would they even want to come to easter service? >> i don't begrudge folks that come to easter and christmas service. the message of good news should be so clear and in the world needs good news, easter is a promise that good news abounds, so come on out. okay. >> well, i have a captive audience. but i think really it's an opportunity that for me, again,

based on where i come from, is to share the good news of god and his unconditional love and god continually cheerleading for us to move on, encourage yourself to go on and to strive for higher height and do not allow just the mundane this of life that can sometimes get you down and cause bitterness and disappointment. don't allow yourself to reside there because there is a greater thing and the good news is that god is always with us, always cheering for us. and then i say, i'll see you at christmas. >> two sundays ago we had one of the areas great preachers, the reverend valerie miles perla. she was talking about jesus and his ministry and the way he talked folks to shaky face-off, shake

the dust off your feet and move on. this world sometimes you just got to shake it off and move on. easter is a proclamation that we are going to keep doing just that. shake it off and move on. >> not taylor swift's version of shake it off. >> jesus version. >> and then also, it gives us the opportunity for the community to prove god right to say that we can show up and show all for god and that we can cultivate a different sense within ourselves, just to grab it and run with it. >> very inspiring. someone said, why don't you have a battle of all us preaching. but it's not about that, as you said. >> my concern is you put preachers in the same room, they turned into the "american idol" of preaching. we are not competing against each other. we are working together with the same goal, to celebrate the good

news. >> amen. >> any words with the goalie with? >> i'd like to just say, let kindness the the religion for this season. knowing that god loves us unconditionally and got it's always kind to us, so we be kind to ourselves and extend that to someone else. >> jim? >> i always go back to mercy and triumph over good judgment. >> you mentioned the dalai lama about kindness. the buddhists are going to be having a sacred text emphasis on theological union coming up in march. i think of the words, in our hearts, there's a blazing light that's not owned by the east or the west. no one owns the light. not any religion, not any denomination, not any religious

community. god has no religion, so transcends all of that. coming up this coming wednesday, i wanted to make an emphasis on this, the sacred text lectures. annual evening of exploring our faith. this is wednesday, march 11th. the wife of sacred text. if you see the sculpture on the screen and the display there. the gt you 2300 ridge road in berkeley. it could be as many as eight or nine seminaries who work together. carol and i are both graduates of the school of religion there but there's the back just in an area which jim is connected with. >> i'm happy to be the chairman of the board of trustees.

>> we have the lutherans and the unitarians and the jesuits, so this coming wednesday, be there. we're grateful for reverend carol. i think you've got a real inspiring message today. thank you for being with us.

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