>> schieffer: welcome back to fakes the nation we'll pick up where we left off with a discussion of the racist videos that came out of a university of oklahoma fraternity. this week protests continued in madison, wisconsin where unarmed black teenagers of shot and killed by police last weekend and, where two police officers were seriously wounded while managing protesters following the resignation of the police chief which came after the justice department's damning report of table violence. sherrilyn ifill. and the president of the naacp cornell william brooks. thank you all so much for coming. this is actually the anniversary, the actual date when president johnson made the

famous "we shall over come" speech it was five months after that of course that voting rights act was passed. we had all these wonderful demonstrations last week in selma. president was down there yet all of these horrible things have happened this week. mr. brooks, how would you judge the state of race relations in america today, 50 years after that speech? >> we as a nation seem to be uncomfortably poised between our past and present. it was my privilege to walk in selma behind the president and between the president and mr. boynton who was beaten down. she is here now. the point is that much of the country don't seem to understand or remember or be aware of the history. what so many people had to go

through in order to enjoy the rights they have today. if they understood would not be able to think about lynching. 5,000 or so people were lynched in this country, to have members of fraternity sing about lynching in cavalier way and associate lynching with exclusive policies with respect to membership, absolutely shocking. >> sherrilyn, what is your take, some of the residents who were interviewed in ferguson this week said they didn't understand why people were still protesting down there after all they got rid of half the police force and people there. why do you think those demonstrations go on? >> well in many ways they have to go on because the work is not complete. we're at the moment where the work really has to push forward. that is that the department of justice now is entering into negotiations with the leaders of ferguson about how they're going to change that police department. this is the time when the protests have to become more focused and more targeted in terms of thinking about what is

the result that you want. elections are next month in ferguson. you've got city council elections, african americans running for city council at numbers they never did in the past. there's a real opportunity for change, i think the people who are out want to make sure that that change actually happens. a lot of work to be done, i think this discomfort that we're all feeling actually even though it feels like we're going backwards that's actually when we go forward. just like in selma. just like on that bridge, these moments of confrontation when we actually get to see what is really happening in america. whether it's that video that shocks us all that so repugnant. most dangerous time for race in america when we're papering over what the reality is. >> schieffer: things have been quiet here in recent years then all of a sudden we have these police incidents in ferguson, in new york, now up in wisconsin. is this just coincidence, mr. brooks or is there a

connection here? >> i don't believe it's coincidence. we're in a particular moment, if you will a third reconstruction. we are at a point in american history where we can move forward or we can move backward. we have made tremendous progress in terms of rights we've seen tremendous challenges in terms of crippal justice reform. and with respect to voting rights. we are at a moment where we need to turn into a real movement for reform. in ferguson we have handful of bills in the state legislature that would make tremendous difference in systems of civilian review boards. in congress an act that needs to be tweaked, improved, but need to move forward on that. because we're at a point where this country has to move forward. you have a generation of young people who get -- think we can

do better. we can do better. we need congress that is as engaged as committed to high democratic and constitutional value as these young people on the streets. >> i don't think it's been quiet. i think actually in communities all over this country african american communities this is what people have been rolling against. it's come to national consciousness largely because of cell phone videos and other ways this we have been able the see what people have been saying for years. that's what's created the moment. the fact that it has now risen to national consciousness that's a good thing. there are things that can be done, we've got profiling act that has been languishing in congress for years cornell talked about the various bills in the ferguson legislature we're also seeing a crisis of democratic government. the democratic structure of ferguson very much like the democratic structure of communities all over this country with the part-time mayor that gets 50 a month. part time city council and town manager who has all the power. it's an opportunity for us to

really look at representative government and to make real change. that's the moment that cornell is talking about, rather than just sit with discomfort have to begin to dig in and work on change. >> bob i'll note this the naacp has launched what we call america's journey for justice direct actions from sell he ma, alabama, across alabama, georgia, north carolina, virginia, south carolina and into dc. why, because we're trying to take advantage of this democratic upsurge in this country. based upon real problems, 11% of electorate doesn't have an i.d. 25% of african americans yet we see this whimsy of voter disenfranchise. people responding. it comes to criminal justice we see massive racial profiling. so the point being here we have

people in this country who can sense what is wrong, they also sense what can be made right. and they know that congress can act but has failed to do so. >> schieffer: all right. i want to thank both of you for bringing this to our attention on this really what is an historic day. thank you so much. we'll be right back with our panel to talk about all of this and other stuff, too.

>> schieffer: we're back now with our panel joining us this week susan page who is us a teed's washington bureau chief "new york times" white house correspondent peter baker bloomberg politics managing editor john heileman and "washington post" columnist dana milbank. you heard the man of the hour here in washington senator tom cotton, this 60 days in the united states senate now he's at

the top of every story. what did you make of this? >> certainly didn't back off in response to your questions including about whether he's going to try to send letter to the leaders of north korea. what surprised me not that tom cotton would choose to write a letter like this the most senior republicans in the senate including senate majority leader would sign such a letter that is as with the netanyahu speech really the kind of steps we have not seen taken before. >> schieffer: what do you think senator cotton's -- what was his objective here? >> i think in some ways. i do think he feels strongly lot of people in congress feels strongly that these talks are not leading to deal that they feel they can support. his north korea example is reasonable one to look at, did that show that inspectors can do what we ask them to do this time around. what is interesting about it seems to jeopardize what had

been a bypartisan skepticism, number of democrats that signed on to legislation intend to force president obama to come to them. they did not sign this letter actually white house is happy he it played out this way. >> clearly cotton has no regrets some of his fellow snake tore rees do. john mccain blaming the weather, a snowstorm, i didn't read the fine print. i think realizing yes cotton is well intentioned in doing this but it's backfiring. ayatollah going to give out his medal of honor this year. i think cotton would be finalist because gives them an excuse if they pull away. now rest of the world will say making it more likely. >> schieffer: here is a guy who is veteran, he was in the military exemplary record, i just found whole thing sort of surprising. >> you see some freshman senators arrive in town want to

get on the map pretty quickly, that seems to have been part of -- you get a sense that's part of his motivation. fascinating this week listening to former foreign policy from past bush administrations, saying, this is a huge mistake partly because which is that these talks fall apart you want to be in position to blame iran. now there is a plausible narrative if the talks fall apart dissention on the u.s. side. secondly if they do fall apart going to want to put back together, ratchet up the sanctions regime. that requires huge international cooperation. this makes it harder so that in the worst case scenario that could be the biggest effect that we get no deal but harder to keep pressure on iran going forward. >> schieffer: one of the things that sect kerry talked about he talked to our margaret brennan last night was syria whole situation there. i want to just play a portion of what he said.

>> we are working very hard with other interested parties to see if we can reignite diplomatic outcome, why because everybody agrees there is no military solution. there's only a political solution. but to get the regime to negotiate, we're going to have to make it clear to him that there is a determination by everybody to seek our political outcome and that underway right now. i am convinced that with the efforts of our allies and others there will be increased pressure on assad. >> you would do that? >> we have to negotiate. >> schieffer: so secretary of state saying we may have to negotiate with assad. is that a change in the administration's position? >> there is in a way. condition has been through all these negotiations have taken place in the past on syria with

the russians and others. he could not be a part of these conversations because ebbs september negotiate withdrawal. there is an implication secretary kerry just said assad might in fact have room to remain in power some sort of talks. >> probably not terribly helpful what secretary kerry said. that you have to negotiate a political solution. but have to get authorization to use of force. you can imagine dashing off another letter to assad saying watch out. >> schieffer: i'm going to predict that he doesn't do that. he might do that. let's talk about the other huge story of the week that is the hillary clinton e-mail saga. what's going on here? >> i guess i think there's no voter who was on the fence about hillary clinton in fact may be

no voter on the fence, it's reel one she had her own server and private e-mail. but it does make us feel like, welcome to the new clinton campaign where we'll have these battles, scandals privacy control and that is i think not good news for hillary clinton. needs to be talking about her vision, what would she do about income equality and syria. i find probably kind of disheartening for those of us who have been next few years covering the campaign. >> her husband famously says, that's what campaigns are about the future not the past. for 67-year-old woman who has had history she's had she has had incredible history for her to be demonstrating all of the traits that people associate with the worst aspects of the clintons, there are many great aspects that people love. but other aspects about particularly notion they play by their own rules. that seems true, seeing that

spectacle, all of that just revives memories that make for people who have some unhe's about the clintons and certainly makes her look not like canned daylight of the future not like relic from the '90s. >> schieffer: what was the purpose here. just trying to make sure there's no paper trial here of her actions? >> well, maybe it was convenience as she said 10 or 15 times during that press conference. i don't think that particular e-mail thing is scandal or particularly damaging. it's been the way she's handled it. that has given us some ptsd lanny davis is defending her oh my, not only server private but we've destroyed some of the e-mails just feels like the rose law firm all over again. if you want to get rid of this unfair the scrutiny but you have to come clean move on. >> to be clear i don't think americans care how we react to it.

>> or a member of the law firm. >> it does definitely have that feel. >> to dana's point, may not be a huge scandal there has never been another secretary of state or secretary of -- head of any other government agency we know of that has done what she did which was key siding i'm going to set up my own parallel infrastructure in my house after i leave office i'm going to be the judge and jury over what i'm going to release and destroying else. i'm sorry from perspective of history that looks weird. >> does not smell right. >> i didn't know you could have your own server. >> i thought i was the can't date -- got ahead of me. >> schieffer: let's take a break we'll come back.

>> schieffer: book now with more from our panel. we've talked about democrats, we've got to talk about the republicans. to me the most interesting story of the week was disclosure that marco rubio and mitt romney have

suddenly become new best buddies. mind you marco rubio his mentor was jeb bush. i can remember when people said, look if jeb bush decides to run there's no way that marco rubio is going to get in the same race because jeb bush was his mentor. all in those florida politics now we see something entirely different. john, what do you make? >> first of all there is a part of the republican establishment that is -- that likes jeb bush fine but does not want to sacrifice the mantle of the future. the nominee, do not want to have another bush running against her. there's an openness to someone of younger generation, scott walker marco rubio or someone else. when mitt mitt romney announced he was not going to make a third run one of the things he said was that it was time for a new generation people read that as implicit shot at jeb bush. the fact that the two are now new best friends bffs as you

say is, doesn't surprise me. he was leading us toward the support or potential support of rubio. >> schieffer: what's interesting about that, romney said that after it became clear that jeb bush was getting most of his -- they were told romney they were for him then suddenly they became supporters. >> not a lot of love lost. >> it's always shocking to find disloyalty in politics. but it's happened once again with marco rubio. what you have happening here jeb bush is in that position that romney was before him and mccain was before him and george w. bush was before him. that is, he is likely guy he's going to be everybody's second choice. first that have to flirt with all the others. they have their scott walker flirtation, their marco rubio flirtation all the others down the line when they realize probably don't have choice going to be jeb bush again. >> by the way take this chance. proved that you don't have to be in the step at very long or

necessarily wait until you spend 40 years in the trenches any more. in fact sometimes better off not doing that because of a cleaner record, less of baggage to run. why wouldn't you want to get out there mix it up. >> very credibly see marco rubio, see him as potential vice president shall nominee on republican ticket. at his age he can afford to run for vice president run for president down the road because he's a young man, he's hispanic and these are important assets in republican party. >> schieffer: do you all think at the end of the day it's going to be bush and hillary clinton? i've got to tell you i think they're both overwhelming favorites right now. but i'm not convinced it's a done deal on either side. >> i would say for two months that i cannot construct a rational argument for why it will not be jeb bush and hillary clinton yet deep in my gut i don't believe that somehow.

i can't explain it. >> rarely a linear process. >> right. from point a to point b. >> things happen. surprises happen. had hard time putting together plausible war ument that jeb bush could have been a candidate even because of the fatigue of his brother. yet here he is as front runner. i do think politics. >> hard to see where the surprise will be. i spent some time with martin o'malley saying maybe he could be it. milquetoast o'malley. talking about sewage treatment plants i think probably not going to light the nation on fire. >> i don't think it's going to be a bush-clinton race. i can't tell you what it is going to be. too neat, too far out we're always too wrong at this point to say what's going to happen. i think hillary clinton is overwhelming favorite for the democratic nation. i think bush is a fragile front runner when you talk about the republican nomination. >> a better retail candidate

but between immigration, common core and the sense of not another bush, there's an open can there for some other republican somehow will open the door to somebody else. >> clinton-guiliani race. >> what about netanyahu, it was such -- >> probably not run. [ laughter ] >> i'm kidding. he gave a good speech. but he was such a big deal when he came over to address congress now seems to be kind of just swept away. >> clearly didn't help him but maybe hurt him. tom cotton needs to write a letter to the israeli say we will not recognize the results there unless netanyahu is -- >> netanyahu does not get another time as primine special. >> schieffer: here is the question. i'm sure you'll be able to help. where is vladimir? >> that's a great question. >> this is very unusual. even in the old bad soviet days

when leaders died it didn't last this long. he's probably not dead. obviously that's hard to cover up. might be sick. might not be presentable in that sense. cultivates his macho healthy image if he had the flu some other things maybe a stroke. stay out of the public limelight. this is something scary because this man such singular control of the only other country on the planet that could destroy us all. it's a pretty important moment. it's also important. >> who knows may ham come down with the flu running around without his shirt. it gets doled over there. >> hard to understand why they haven't had picture, released picture of him talking. >> shirtless or not. >> but they haven't. to make it look like current date. >> i think they need to do a new picture. >> schieffer: if you find out where he is -- call me. it will be news.

thank you all so much. we'll be back in just a minute.

>> schieffer: that is all the time we have this week. we want to thank you for watching and to tell you that we will see you next sunday right here. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

san francisco police chief says his department is disgraced after the department is part of a texting scandal. >> they could have a bigger racial problem on their hands than ferguson, missouri. >> it is shocking. it is outrageous. >> reporter: san francisco public defender says a string of text messages, several police officers allegedly sent