>> schieffer: welcome back to "face the nation" with the 2016 campaign now off and running with hillary clinton getting in the race officially today, marco rubio will announce later this week, we are going to start with the chairman of the republican party, reince priebus. >> thank you very much for coming. >> congratulations, bob. >> thank you so much. you know we showed a little clip of the latest republican ad, and you went right after hillary hillary clinton even before she announced. is there a concern that you might, you know, that it might backfire here and make her, you know people sympathetic to her with all of this starting so soon? >> i don't think so, i mean, she is kind of portrayed this air of inevitability. i think if you look at the facts of the case, which is where i really would like to stay as

chairman of the party, you know, if you look at the facts of the scandal that state your names her, you look at the facts of the recent polling, where a majority of people in battleground states say she is untrustworthy, when you look at the fact she has 100 percent name recognition -- >> schieffer: a majority -- >> a majority of the people polled, in colorado, virginia, iowa florida, said she is untrustworthy. >> when you took -- you take the fact that she has 100 percent id this is an important fact for people to understand. she has pure saturation. but yet she is losing to a number of our candidates in those battleground states that have a third of her name recognition. so if you me and you are chairman of the national party, and you have someone on the ticket that would unite your party, would help you raise a lot of money and help you recruit a ton of volunteers, you would want nothing more than hillary clinton to be on the other side. >> schieffer: let's talk about some of the things you have heard when we were talking this morning about the clinton foundation and so forth, in

making contributions from foreign countries like saudi arabia. >> sure. >> schieffer: is that a legitimate criticism of her? >> well of course it is and now she is going to be under even more scrutiny about where she got the money from, if she used her position as secretary of state, some of which is why these e-mails are so important why 60 percent of americans are saying that what she did in regard to her e-mails is inappropriate. these are things we want to know. and the fact -- in fact, i have a hard drive for you, bob. it is stop had been in, hillary.org and the clinton e-mail files it is a bit of fun but we have to do a number of things to point out the fact of the case are such that hillary clinton is quite frankly someone that the american people can't trust, and so we are going to stick to the fact and the fact are, people have a lot of questions about who she was on planes with, who she was talking, to and how perhaps she used her position as secretary of state to get money into the clinton -- >> schieffer: i was listening

to your answer about the contributions from saudi arabia. they do go to a foundation. she can't use that money personally but it also occurs to me, a lot of your candidates and the democrats as well are going to be taking campaign contributions that we are never going to know where they come from, but now you can give these unbelievable amounts of money without any accounting of where the money comes from. >> the difference is, all those other entities, super pacs, parties, individual candidates they can't take money from kings of saudi arabia and morocco and yemen and that is what hillary clinton did. and so he is going to have to account for this money. and she can't have it both ways. she can't pay women less in her senate office and claim he is for equal pay she can't say -- even. >> schieffer: we don't know she did that. >> the fact don't bear that out the facts show she didn't pay women and equal amount of money in her senate office an can't talk about these things as if she is a champion and then take money from saudi arabia that has a record of abuse of women

across the world. the point is if we stick to the facts and that's where we want to be, then we are going to be able to make the case to the american people she has a product that isn't worth buying and at the same time we have to make the case for our own party as well. so it is not just about hillary, it has to be about both things. >> schieffer: i was looking at the electoral map you are talking about, the states that have the most -- that have been the most solid he democratic since 1992 the democrats start off with a huge advantage, about 242 electoral votes they only need 270 to win, you start off probably in those states with 102 votes, or overall 102 votes. it looks to me like you are starting -- you have got a high-heeled client here. >> there is no doubt we have to be about perfect, and the other side can be about good, so the fact is, we do have a higher burden, but if you just look at the 2012 map or the 2008 map, i think you are right, but if you

look at some of the things you have done at the inc, some of the things rand paul is talking about in expanding the map in the black community and the hispanic community, all about one hispanic vote in colorado, john kason got 20 percent of the black vote in ohio, if mitt romney would simply have gotten ten, 20 percent of the black vote, ten, 20 percent of the hispanic vote he would be president right now, we are working on expanding the maps a and not just showing up every four years it is talking two or three years in knees community about things we have in common, before you go in and sell the final product. that is that we are working hard at at the dnc dnc, it is not the most exciting topic on mechanics but this is how you win presidential elections and this is what i am focused on as chairman of the party. >> let in go back to the contributions from the foreign countries. what should she do right now? should she draw the line and say no more contributions? should she give money back? what could she do to make that right in

your mind? >> well, there are a couple of things she should do. number one should show abide by the requests of the committee in congress let by dougherty to respond to the e-mail requests and hand over the server that is number one number 2 she should account for all of the money she received at the clinton global initiative and once she goods an accurate accounting people like you and others you are going to have on your show can look through it and figure out whether or not these are things that we need to look into further. we just want her to reveal the facts, that's all. >> schieffer: all right reince priebus great to have you this morning and thanks for joining us and we will be right back with our panel to get their thoughts on all of this. >> i care deeply about the gulf. i grew up in louisiana. i went to school here. i've been with bp ever since. today, i lead a team that sets our global safety standards. after the spill we made two commitments.

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>> schieffer: well, now break down all of these campaign 2016 moves we turn to our panel peggy noonan, of course, columnist for the wall street journal, cbs news contributor john heilemann is the managing editor of bloomberg politics david ignatius, columnist for the washington post, susan page is usa today's washington bureau chief and john dickerson, our

cbs news political director who is soon going to have a new job. so i have got to ask you john and you have to know the answers to all of these, in this job is reince priebus right when he says in the battleground states that hillary clinton is viewed as untrustworthy? and also that she pays her staff as the senator paid, has the senator paid her women workers will than she paid the others? >> on the polling question he is right, there have been some polls that show her unfavorability is up high, cbs has a poll with very high unfavorability, bloomberg also shows that in its recent poll. she has got a lot of work to do. the thing is she has been getting beaten up pretty hard over the last couple of weeks and hasn't launched a campaign, she has been in the worst possible situation. the clinton folks used to say during bill clinton's campaign you are explaining, you are losing and she has been on the explaining side and not explaining very well so today her campaign begins and her

chance to beat whatever the attacks are against her with an actual campaign that has a message. we will see whether those where those polls are in about a month after she has had a chance to -- >> schieffer: what about this charge he made that she paid her women staffers less than she was paying her men staffers on capitol hill? that caught me by surprise, i will admit that. >> i believe if, because you can check with the male and female staffers were paid, it is all public record that can be figured out. i don't know if he is right, but it is something that can be -- it is not a mystery. those numbers are public. >> schieffer: has anybody does anybody else have any -- i thought that was pretty interesting. >> there are some stories suggesting this in the past. >> yes there have. >> now peggy, let's talk about this, jeb bush has a new video out in light of hillary clinton entering the campaign. here is a clip of what he said this morning. >> we must do better than the obama clinton foreign policy

that has damaged relationships with our allies and emboldened our enemies. >> schieffer: well, what about this? we are getting ready to have a campaign, a lot of people say is going to be clinton versus bush again, do you think that is how it is finally going to come down? >> i think it might be a year of surprises on the republican side. nobody knows how this thing is going to play out. on the democratic side, we will see what happens with mrs. clinton, whether it is possible anybody could really come forward and challenge her. she is, i think, about to announce just after this show goes off. >> schieffer: yes. >> and then just realizing how much i wish she was in a big rally with a few thousand people with a brave speech that tells america what she wants to do and how she want to do it, what direction we are going to go in, and she meets with the press, she does two days of meetings from small groups to one on ones like this. that would be so powerful for

her, instead, it looks like in about half an hour she is going to tweet something out maybe facebook something out and then have some little video. it all feels not like the answer to her problems to me. >> schieffer: what do you think, susan? >>susan? >> it looks like she is hot taking your advice. [laughter.] >> it is not for the first time. >> doesn't need to do a big rally in order to get our attention we do nothing but pay attention to hillary clinton. >> but you are right she needs to explain why is she running what is her motivation? where does she want to take the country? and look at one of the big challenges she is going to have in that jeb bush, when he referred to the clinton obama foreign policy. >> the way she gets tied to every negative thing about the obama administration is going to be a big issue for her, and we are going to have to see how she manages that. >> i hope she ends up doing the press thing you talk talked about and i hope she talks in a big way of where she thinks this

country should go in the future. >> schieffer: i think that is the key. she has pot to keep the campaign looking forward. she has got to keep people looking out of the window at the corner of the house because the back door, that's where i think all of this e-mail thing has hurt her. i don't know if she committed a felony or not but once you open that door to start looking back, then you get into all of the things that people talk about. >> very wise man. >> ,000 a very wise man who happened to be her husband, the campaigns are always about the future and she is going to make this campaign about the future and try to make herself look like the future and that's a tough thing to do given the history ano she is not the youngest woman in the world, but i will say to your earlier question bob, she is going to be the democratic nominee in the absence of some new scandal or health issue she has no plausible challenger, the party likes her, even though as john says if you ask the country she got, her -- are trying, women, african americans latinos lgbt voters, the core of the

democratic nominee electorate likes hillary clinton, she doesn't have a challenger and raise a lot of money and will be the nominee. >> jeb bush not nearly as clear he will be the republican nominee and i think one of the things john mentioned we have a bloomberg politics poll that just came out, we have to, we have a viability question we went to people not to the horse race would you considerably might consider, never consider the country and the subsets, on the republicans and independents, 42 percent said they would never consider voting for jeb bush, that was a big that was a shocking number to us doesn't mean he won't be the no, ma'am these but that is a really -- that is a stealing on his support a and a large number of people in the republican electorate they are done with him, they do not want a bush on the ticket. >> let me, excuse me, let me just ask david and bring him in on this the whole talk of this broadcast we are talking about this whole where this deal with the iranians is right now. do you see this as impacting on the campaign? >> oh, i think without question

it is an issue that will over lie the campaign. it is the most important foreign policy issue of the day the most important diplomatic negotiation i would say of the last few decades. hillary clinton has been very careful in what she said, but the truth is, this whole initiative, engagement began when she was secretary of state and so in a sense she is going to need to take ownership of the process, if not necessarily the result. i think one problem she has peggy and susan were exactly right in saying he is going to tell the country what she wants and a part of that story is contained in her time as secretary of state and benghazi blunts that, and every time she says i was secretary of state and then up comes benghazi, there are many areas that she listed in her memoir where she disagreed with president obama and she is going to have to make those clear egypt russia syria, key areas of policy but i do think she is going to have to take foreign policy on iran and everything else and make it a key issue for her as a former

secretary of state. >> where do you think we are on this agreement? >> honestly -- >> is this going to be signed? after mccain says what he says i am not sure you could ever get it right the congress thmpleght is an unfinished agreement and mccain is right there is a significant gap between the fact sheet we put out and the statement that the iranians put out. over the next three months, those differences are going to get narrowed and there are going to be concessions and horse trading on both side and if we give too many concessions to the iranians to get the deal they will be visible and obvious to members of congress, to the public, to us us in the news media and make president obama very vulnerable, so if they could sign the deal that they --, you know, the fact sheets described, i think that would pass congress, it is a pretty good deal. we don't have that deal yet. >> the question is, the administration is now acknowledged there is going to be a congressional review at some point. they hope it is a review and not an approval, right? so they can review it but they don't have

the power to block it, something like the bill that senator corker initially outlined. but there was as the senate said in the interview with you they were surprised when the framework came out it went further than people expected if they could deliver that deal it seems to me that has a pretty good chance of not being blocked by congress. >> i think part of the story is all of this is the result of the trust that never developed over six years between the president and the congress. this is yet another playing out of we think we have a good possible deal, frankly we are skeptical of you. we don't think you do good deals and if they are not good we feel you would not tell us.y3 it is the divide that is, that has run for more than six years playing out again. >> schieffer: peggy you are not a spokesman more the republican party, you were a speechwriter in the bush and reagan administrations. i mean but you are a

conservative, and i want to talk a ill little bit about rand paul this morning, because can he get republican nominations saying i want to find jobs for these 11 million immigrants that are in the country illegally? you know, as i said to him, you know, if i didn't know i would think you are a democrat on some of the things you said. he is not like the others in the republican party. >> i would agree he is interesting, he is someone trying to expand the base, and get new voices in. he goes out to northern california, to berkeley or palo alto or something and got a huge reaction from the young people there. i have to tell you i listened to it and i like it, it sounds common-sensical to me. i think john has some information about how rand paul comes over with women republicans, that is perhaps that shows you how much work he has got to do. but i will tell you a year ago i would have thought he is a

little too on the edge for the republican party. i listened to him now and i think, that's okay. that's good. that makes sense to me. >> he is not out of the the question? >> this viability question, we have a striking difference between men and women among republicans and independents look at rand paul 22 percent of men said they would seriously consider voting for him only 11 percent of women and that gap between men and women is larger than it is for any other republican in the field. i think some of that, i don't think much of that has to do with some of the controversies he had with various news interviews he has done with various women because i don't think many voters in the country know about that but i i think the libertarian part of the republican party is male. >> overwhelmingly male and a lot of young frat boy types in that wing of the party. you know, i think the former policy thing was the bigger problem for him and when you think about the republican party right now where jeb bush caught a huge amount of flack over jim baker making statements an -- jim baker was too conservative not conservative today for today's

republican party he has a huge problem because rand paul is more liberal and bake her get hacked by the party and jeb bush will be attacked for associating with jim baker. >> that's where we are in the foreign policy on the republican party. >> and if you look at how republican candidates are looking at this deal with iran third all saying the united states is operating from a position of weakness and the response to that is a strong foreign policy and the next president will be judged on who will be strong. well if you look at rand paul's position on iran it has shifted, 2007 when he was campaigning for his father and asked about thisable and he said when i was campaigning for someone else. you have to distance yourself from your own father to get away from your previous position, you are not on stable ground and if it is about who is the strongest, i mean in 2007 he seemed to suggest that it was okay if iran got the bomb. that this wasn't worth going, as he said to war, he has a different position now but uncertainty on the iran question is not a great thing is not a great place to be for him. >> this deal that opens -- then

the republican party -- he is pretty open to the possibility he could sign on to this deal. >> schieffer: let me ask you all, and david, i want to hear from you too. you know, the first voice out there was ted cruz, he obviously is going after the evangelical vote with iowa coming up he knows he has to get in and get part of that from mike huckabee i would assume, out in iowa, i think what you will see him now is go after the conservative national security vote. he thinks, my understanding is that he can attack hillary clinton on that. he won't have to talk about the other republicans and then he can kind of lay out how different he is from them. does he really have a chance? >> well, it is so early in the campaign, it is hard to forecast the horse race but he will express that muscular john mccain style republicanism, be tough, more defense spending no appeasement. what is interesting about rand paul is, he is peeking to a country, including the republican base, that is pretty

suspicious about the use of american military power overseas, when people look at iraq and afghanistan, they don't really say, we want more of that. they say we are deeply skeptical about it and i think that is a kind of wildcard in this race. >> it is. >> so cruz will come back in the traditional, muscular themes, beat the table, more of this but where rand paul gets some traction in saying well, no, wait a minute s this really in our country's interest? >> and a for hillary clinton, because he is such adomian informant front runner the presumptive nominee really even at this point before she is formally announced he is the only target for everybody, for the republicans and she is a spokesman, she is defined the democratic party for next year but you look at the republicans and they are having a really interesting fervent debate about what does it mean to be a republican? and talk about looking ahead you know look a at rubio and rand paul and ted cruz, they are talking about different version visions of what is ahead, that sat good thing for a political party to

have. >> and we have never had a dynamic like this. it is going possibly to be boring versus bloody dynamic and full of people hitting each other over the head or something that may look stable but may look entitled. >> schieffer: all right. well we have to end it there. i want to thank all of you very much and we will be back in a minute. >> and i think peggy -- >> >> we are going to overrule you, we were all talking in the green room about what a privilege it is and has been to work for you. you have had one of the epic careers in broadcast journalism. we have all watched it. john said you taught us how it is done. it was a real privilege to work with such an old school gentleman and cool guy. so thank you. >> schieffer: my goodness. >> thank you. >> thank you very much.

>> and we will be back in just a minute after this. >>

>> schieffer: well we are going to have more on campaign 2016 next week when i sit down with florida senator and republican presidential candidate senator marco rubio. that will be next sunday on "face the nation". >>

>> schieffer: well, that's it for us today. he want to thank you again for watching "face the nation" and we will see you right here next time, next sunday. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

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