good morning. on behalf of reverend. ron swisher welcome back to mosaic on this mother's day. a special treat today. two women pastors and woman rabbi for you to honor this day. pastor elizabeth axtell is at st. mark's church lutheran church in the city. maggie henderson maggie henderson avenue, presbyterian church only joined by ralph rabbi singer later in the program. welcome ladies. >> thank you. >> it's a joy to have you here. what do to talk about? >> we want to talk about women in the ministry. here in the city and what we do our colleagues do and how great they participate in the life of the city.

in their parish or synagogue or other institutions. >> terrific. awarded at st. mark's where is it? >> st. mark's is in the civic center area above city hall. we collect cathedral hill. it is a parish that has been around for over 160 years. we've been in that neighborhood for over 100 years. it's a vital active vibrant parish. here in san francisco. >> you've been there 17 years? >> a long time. >> not so long. >> reverend. making-year-old first first presbyterian. >> it's in sacramento. one of the oldest still active questioned churches in california. it's interesting. they've been there for a good long time. i've been the pastor for eight years. the first woman full-time pastor. i like the people. >> originally were for you

from? >> i have been piedmont so i am from california. i've been in the southern part of the west for most of my ministry but i love being back here. it's lovely where the rest of humanity. >> elizabeth you are from where? >> i up in the bay area in menlo park. i know this area as well. it's good to be back home. i love serving in san francisco. we live here. we work here. we are committed to being in the city. we love being here. >> you all do things together. talk about that. do. we like each other. we feel the collaboration among ecumenical institutions we can do more things together. one thing that pastor henderson started was the interface food pantry that she holds at her parish but my church and other congregations, and serve and get out food on saturdays every saturday.

>> which is amazing. four different congregations every saturday. we are giving food back to 250 people every saturday and works well. my church could not do it alone. you couldn't do it just with your people but we do it together and it's a stunning witness. three quarters of the churches have women pastors actually. it's one of the -- we do. >> one of the gifts women in ministry bring is we want to collaborate with each other. we don't want to remain in our own parish or synagogue we want to work in partner together. one of the gifts we bring to the city and ministry. >> women pastors are not unusual anymore. but the norm in many mainline face. more about what you guys are doing. in the city. >> low trends are characterized by garrison keillor and a prairie home companion. i want to break that stereotype.

st. mark's lutheran church is a welcome open inclusive parish. as i know old first is. it represents the best of the city. we're at the crossroads in san francisco. you have a millionaire worshiping next to a homeless person. we have people of all color. we've strong gl bt q community. were active in worship of most importantly we're active in the life of the city. we all of our hands to serve. that is one of the things we are excited about with the food pantry. >> more about that in this ministry. >> it's a vital interesting place. i don't get bored at this church. it's a lovely thing to be able to say. the congregation is diverse. i have different ethnic backgrounds, economic and interesting lg bt kind of

congregation. and i think there aren't many places in the city you get to sit with a variety of people anymore. he tended always with those email or those you like or you think you're going to like. and at turkey get a variety of folks and that is just a gift. >> you might recognize that in congregations it's more diverse slice. working together as pastors denominations are important but tells more about working together and how you two approaches. >> first of all we are friends. we respect each other as colleagues. we've been very active together in the interfaith council where maggie chairs the council. st. mark's has been a founding member of the council. from there we do things like we host winter homeless shelter. at st. mark's and other sites. and different obligations come in and serve food to 60 homeless men that stay on our

site for three weeks. we totally stop our ministry at st. mark's to be hospitable to the men who live there. for three weeks. we also host or commemorate world aids day and st. mark's and pastor maggie has been active in leading worship at that service. we're also engaged in an interfaith group working on affordable housing. we know how critical affordable housing is in the city. it affects the city but it also affects the people in our parishes. we see firsthand the need for affordable housing and we're working together on that. >> where the first group to look at what we call essential housing or middle income housing. if my congregants had to live in the city what can they afford? on my salary without help from the church i afford to live in sentences go. we are trying to tackle that

kind of in between high income and affordable lower income -- how can we do that in the interfaith council and groups are doing this together. i'm not sure anyone else would do it if it wasn't for that. >> who is in the interfaith council? >> everyone. >> it's truly interfaith. >> we have locations kristin, jewish buddhist, salvation army , muslim everyone is there. it's stunning. and -- i have colleagues and friends in places i would never had if it wasn't for the city. because it is so small and so rich i'd really need to know those rich and poor is diversity -- i need to know my interfaith communities. i can't fit all presbyterians because there are. >> that is the gift of working in san francisco. we are st. mark's pick me up first unitarian to our north. st. mary's cathedral to the west. trinity episcopal to the northwest. and we have to work together to

make an impact in the city. that's what the interfaith council helps us do. >> maggie henderson thank you. make it will be back but rabbi singer will join us in the next segment.

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it's a tremendous privilege to have come here about two years ago with my husband to be co- senior rabbi's of this really historic and vibrant congregation in the city. >> where are you located? >> we're right off park presidio and it's a beautiful historic building. i hope people come by and visit. it's quite special. you have to go to spain to find something else like it. >> something about yourself. >> i grew up in southern california when i was growing up over no women rabbis. when i was 13 at my bat mitzvah i thought i would like to be a rabbi and didn't realize the first woman had been ordained. i feel so grateful to be living in a time when women can be called to be rabbis and leaders of the jewish community. it's a great time on this mother's day [ multiple

speakers ] >> you've been promoted. >> reverend. at still are both musters and pastors and that's a very exciting place to be. >> our children -- our daughters see us in ministry and your daughter is following in your footsteps. mine is only 12 so >> you never know. >> it is very fulfilling work. >> it is absolutely. it's very meaningful to help share god's grace in a broken world. to try to reach out to heal the world, to serve into humbly listen, to be engaged in the community. that's what our communities are trying to do together. you and your congregants come to st. mark's during the winter homeless shelter to feed. >> this is something that's been going on a long time. before we arrived on the scene.

but it's not uncommon in cities across america that churches and synagogues find one another because we are all rooted in the teachings of the bible the christian bible and jewish bible to be -- to take care of the most vulnerable in our society. whenever we get to town i start out my first convocation was in westchester new york and then 18 years in seattle and now here. we always look for interfaith groups because we are here doing work for the homeless and work for people who are hungry. for sexual minorities. and we find if we can team up we are going to be more effective. >> absolutely. one thing st. mark's is proud of is our 120 unit apartment complex. this is affordable housing for seniors.

that's been a mission of st. mark's since the 1960s. again it's an interfaith community. it's not just with translating at lutheran tower. it's interfaith community that is protecting and providing a home for vulnerable seniors in the city. again it's affordable housing is certainly on the money of >> that is something we're working together with the interfaith council. we're working on creating places for teachers and firefighters and people to be able to live in our community. because as reverend. hendrickson said earlier i don't think i could live here without the support of my synagogue. we want it to be a place for everyone. >> say a word about the reduction in violence piece that we worked on together >> it was interesting how that came to be. there is a rabbi and my denomination and he had a difficult personal experience. his father was murdered i violence. he has dedicated his rabbinate in his life to reduction of gun

violence. with respect to the second amendment we do respect the second amendment. but we feel there could be a reduction in gun violence it's awful to open up the newspaper every day and read what we read. so you asked us to contact merely in san francisco to sign onto a thoughtful proposal to have the mayors agree that when the city purchases all guns they have to purchase for law- abiding reasons, that they hold the gun manufacturers accountable for some very simple ways that reduce gun violence. we sent this -- a letter a group of rabbis and clergy to mayor lee and he stepped up and signed on to it. it's very exciting. he said to me in a breakfast we had that i i predict when the churches and synagogues work together and that we all work

together. that was exciting. now we have to figure out what to do next. >> and figure out what st. mark's and temple emanuel can do together. >> it's a big thing that you host the homeless people day in and day out. we come in and serve some meals. we feel like what more can we be doing? >> temple emanuel is a big institution. you do so much in the city. you really do. >> we work closely with food pantry and we work -- we have an historic partnership with third baptist church with reverend. amos brown and are part of the back on track tutoring literacy program there are host of programs that emanuel is involved in. we are currently rethinking our whole structure to enable as many congregants as possible to engage in social actions with the synagogue and also with the churches.

>> good. >> we do have fun as well. [ multiple speakers ] >>'s bay -- st. mark's was a great oktoberfest every year and then we have a lovely service will be blessed animals and pets to commemorate st. francis of assisi. >> there is serious work to be done but it's there's also time to rejoice and celebrate together and celebrate we have in common. and yet primarily to worship and party. >> we make our worship musical. we haven't gone to animals but we do have baby blessing at the beginning of the year. that ties into one of the portions of the torah. hundreds people show up with their new babies. it's very thrilling to watch them all holding these babies and holding the future. worried a lot about the future of the jewish people because were such a tiny people and emanuel is 165 years old and our whole purpose is to move our

wonderful teachings of our religion forward into the next generation and the one after that. >> let's take a break and elizabeth eckel thinks reverend. henderson will come back and you can see more of these competitions are excited about the pastors and rabbi.

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we've been there for about that was our first charges was to make the food better and it does attract more people. we should talk about this angel we have in common who has an historic connection to the mosaic show. read some. he was a member of convocation emanuel and a leader in all things in san francisco and when he first arrived i met rita and she said i think for your installation we want to have as many different clergy from around the city. we just don't know them yet. we just arrived and she really made sure that you're all invited and had a wonderful variety of clergy at our installation service pick >> i loved it. i'm a better pastor one i know who is out there. >> absolutely. >> rita is a fabulous woman. i'm the chair of the interfaith council which rita asked him before. but she has the ability to teach me and help me along but

let me be myself. i don't have to be rita. i be pastor maggie doing the work and it's good. and we are friends. when do i get to be -- a good friend with rita we want to go to a movie or dinner. it's a rich thing. i'm lucky in that way. >> we all are. and people who don't know her she is i believe 93 >> i'm not going to say >> she is proud of it. i apologize to read it later if that shouldn't have been public. but she's out every day. we talked as women clergy about how tired we get in working around the clock. when we are doing a funeral or doing something important. and when i get tired like that i think about rita and she is such an inspiration. she never complains. she's out there all the time. she believes we can make the city that we love so much a better place for everyone. >> she has this vision and love of what we could be. but this honesty we have been. and will be good to go.

we need a history in the city that moves -- people move on. i am the oldest protestant church but really people are moving through my cues. i think churches and houses of worship root us with memories we need. and if we're lucky they are truthful memories of where we could become more and expect a lot from people. >> where are you spending time on the creative edges of your ministry? what you wish you had more time? >> more time for everything. i would like to be out on the streets more. i would like to out meeting more . recently events have been so difficult with young african- american males. i think we're interested in doing more connection with african-american churches and with church leaders. and understanding what our constructive role can be. it's about finding time to build these relationships. i know you've done a stop through the interfaith council.

>> there's never enough time. i want more time with people and more time to read and contemplate and be creative. how can you be creative when you're worried about who took out the garbage and all the glamour stings of being ordained. i wish i did have more of that and more time to read. we were talking about books and interfaith book i am reading and how do we do those things. we have to get out in the city and to the fabulous fun things. >> talk about the fun things >> i love simon movies. if you talk to me during the day of silent film festival you won't get me because i will be in the dark by myself and the others. >> what captivates you about some films? >> the visuals are fabulous. and every silent film has a score and music. we think in words so how do you -- in a place where there are

not speaking how do give a message. and that ties in with preaching in many ways >> i just get out there and do something lovely and they aren't asking maggie when the one of the printed or do have something for me? it's exhausting to be a pastor with the need we cannot answer.>> rabbi got what you do for fun? >> i love reading novels. i'm currently reading a novel i started that won the pulitzer prize in 2015 for literature. all the light we cannot see. >> fabulous pics >> the other thing i like to do especially since we're relatively new is get out and walk around san francisco. and all the places we quickly get to to these meetings i just go and walk and look at buildings and churches. and see people on the street. see what our city really is. that's what i love to do. >> i'm city guide volunteer walker.

so i can take you. >> i would love to go on a tour. >> icon the free library tour's. >> wonderful.>> mosaic can help you make connections even here. >> why should people the part of a congregation? >> i think it's a valuable thing. a secular culture we live in is fairly materialistic and it's about attaining wealth and security which are all good things were not against those things. you can attain all the things you can attain and you still need something to feed your spirit. coming to accommodation -- we both agree it does not have to be my competition or yours. any convocation you fill comfortable in you will become part of the community. if anything happens if you go to the hospital or something important happens in the family you have a community that

cares. i hear purpose in you joined a group of people that also cares about homeless or afford housing or gay rights and you have a group of people to do those things together. to make this society better. >> maggie henderson elizabeth until they give very much. that is our show for this mother's day. from one shirt and myself we see you again next month.

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