>> schieffer: the parade of republican presidential candidates rolls on. u.s. forces stage a -- mystery of the rack track derailment in philadelphia. amtrak ordered to make state changes to the northeast corridor rails. we'll get latest on the train accident that killed eight outside of philadelphia. from the head ntsb investigator bob sumwalt. and bob casey, plus another gab fest of 2016 republican candidates in iowa. >> in less than two years we'll have republican president in the white house. >> schieffer: i'm talking to former secretary of defense robert gates what he thinks of the would-be presidents so far. >> most of these candidates have

no experience in foreign policy some. >> schieffer: we'll talk to one of them, wisconsin governor scott walker. we'll get latest on that u.s. attack against isis from the new chairman of the house intelligence committee, devin nunes it's all ahead because this is "face the nation." good morning, first the train they have asked fbi to investigate the possibility of projectile hitting amtrak 188 just before it derailed tuesday night. we begin with robert sumwalt a member of the national transportation safety board. point man on this investigation. is it possible that this thing that hit the train windshield that we now know about possible somebody shot at that train? >> we're certain lear going to be looking at that. as we pointed out we're going to to have the fbi with their technical assistance to analyze what sort of fracture pattern may be on that windshield.

>> schieffer: any way that that could have been connected to the crash in this m way? >> it would be completely coincidental or causal that's what we wanted to find out. >> schieffer: somebody fired a shot at the plane? >> i've seen the fracture pattern it look like something like the size of grapefruit, if you will. it did not penetrate the entire windshield. >> schieffer: what is it? that could have -- there was a connection, what could it have been that it distracted the engineer or something that have? >> certainly everything is on the table in that respect. we're looking at everything. this is just another piece of the investigation. >> schieffer: the engineer says he has to memory of anything. does that make sense to you? >> as we know, people can be in automobile crash, i don't even remember the crash. i just woke up in the hospital. so that's typical in some traumatic event like this. >> schieffer: was he actually injured? >> yes, sir, he was injured.

>> schieffer: was it a head injury? >> the media sources are reporting that he had concushion and had staples that's what the media reports. >> schieffer: as investigator you don't know? >> i do. of course there is hippaa regulations would prevent me from releasing that. i'll just tell what you the media sources. he did spend some time in the hospital. >> schieffer: you're satisfied that he's cooperating? >> yes sir. we met with him on friday he was very cooperative providing us with information of what he did know. >> schieffer: do you think that this in any way is connected with amtrak being underfunded? >> we're certainly not going to get at that at the ntsb in that political fray. we have long called positive train control, we believe that positive train control if installed and operational it would have prevented this accident. >> schieffer: why wasn't it. professor:. >> that's a question that we intend to find out. it's not but we do want to know what the management decision

were at amtrak, those decisions were to install positive train control, certain parts that have track but not in others. >> schieffer: all right. mr. in vest gator thank you for joining us. we're going to senator bob casey he's at the 30th street station in philadelphia he rides this train twice a week. do you think senator that something should have been done that wasn't done and that's why we had this accident or just simply this train was speeding? >> bob we've got to wait for the results of the investigation to be certain but the little information we do know about speed and about nature of the curve and basic facts that are on record right now i think indicate that we've got to make sure that as mr. sumwalt we have positive train control in place f. you're a member of congress as i am, and the law says as it does by end of the year positive

train control has to be implemented and deployed we have to make sure that we do everything possible to support amtrak in completing the assignment. >> schieffer: well explain to knows not know what is positive train control, what does that mean some. >> it's a technology that allows the train engineer, if he or she is not slowing train down appropriately can override that human error if the train is moving too fast. it's among other things sensors and technology that allows that train to slow down when it should. and to comply with the speed regulations. in addition to sensing other problems on the tracks. it's remarkably effective technology. make sure that it -- >> schieffer: do you think amtrak has done enough to ensure passenger safety or are there things that need to be done. >> well, i think incident like

this causes us to question a lot of things. once we have the facts as you know ntsb will provide more facts in a preliminary report then down the road maybe as long as a year a full scale report. we have to make sure that the congress reacts appropriately to that. we should not congress should not put amtrak in the position of choosing between positive train control safety and fixing crumbling bridges. we have to do both. have to make sure that they have resources to do that. we don't know connection between funding and this incident but regardless amtrak needs more funding. i've been advocating for years, at a minimum we should fund what the president proposed as opposed to what was done the other day in house appropriations. >> schieffer: will there be congressional investigation or let it go with this ntsb investigation? >> i would guess congress in oversight would have some sort of investigation beyond routine

appropriations that's up to the relevant committee in house and senate. >> schieffer: thank you so much senator. thank you. >> thanks, bob. >> schieffer: turn to campaign 2016 with foreign policy on the front burner again we sought out robert gates secretary of defense for both president george w. bush and president obama. we asked him what he thought of the candidates so far on foreign policy. >> i haven't been particularly impressed frankly by anybody at this point. on either side of the aisle, i'm not seeing much courage when it comes to support of the trade agreements which are, i think very important for this country. i think president's right on that. i think that there's an awful lot of easy solutions to tough problems, i think we have to --

most of these candidates have no experience in foreign policy very few do on republican side. maybe two or three years in the senate. but perhaps their views will be flushed out and become more cogent as the campaign goes along. but so far they're in early days and i think their views are probably largely unformed. >> schieffer: you work for how many presidents? >> eight. >> schieffer: you worked foreboth bushes. jeb bush is often a stumbling start it seems to me. obviously great fundraising potential here, but over the last week he's had trouble answering the question about would he have gone into iraq knowing what he now knows. first he said, yes he would. then he said, a hypothetical question. then he said, well, actually, no he wouldn't. have any advice for him? >> that's one question where i would have thought he would have

had an answer. before he got into the middle of this. it was inevitable question. that would be asked. and i think that the way to deal with it frankly to to say you don't make policy by going back and reliving old decisions. one of the things he admired about president bush and second president bush and president obama was they didn't have second thoughts. they made a decision and they moved on. and i think same thing as candidate. you are say what you believe then you move on. >> schieffer: we'll have more from bob gates later including his take on hillary clinton but now to wisconsin governor scott walker, one of the republicans exploring a run in 2016 he's in iowa this morning. governors, well colorado you just heard secretary gates not exactly complimentary to the republican field thus far but does he have a point? >> i think foreign policy is

important part. talking about growth, helping grow the economy, rep helping reform the government and taking power from washington i talk to people all the time. just lacrosse, wisconsin at my state party at the iowa republican party event. one of the areas where people talked to me about safety and security of this country and our allies around the world i do think it's going to be important issue. if i choose to get into this race something i'm going to very clear plan what we should do going forward. and issues we face around the world. i think there's a wide open door to layout very clear doctrine f. foreign policy plays an important role, contrast will be clear. everywhere just about wherever that hillary clinton played a role, that part of the world is largely a failure a. mess. because of the policies that we've seen from obama and clinton. >> schieffer: you have just come back from israel. let me just ask you what would you list as your foreign policy

credentials/. >> i think as governor ultimately about leadership. in my lifetime one of the best presidents was a governor from california. in my lifetime one of the worst presidents when it comes to foreign policy from a freshman senator from illinois. not just about past experiences but leadership as a governor you have to put cabinet in place hopefully you pick people that are smarter than you on any given topic that's something that is required of a successful president putting people in place, be it secretary of defense, secretary of state and others. then having good sense to listen to them and to others and chain of command in the military consulting with the congress all those sorts of things are important to the president. successful governors have to do that every single day. consult with people in the cabinet. most beyond that as governor i think just recently in germany spain, france early in the year with the united kingdom.

that's probably most that any governor of either party has is that experience in terms much trade relations, something very important. important to our country. >> schieffer: you know, jeb bush, you just heard what secretary gates said he was governor, but he had a hard time it seems to me answering that question of would he have gone into iraq. had he known what we all now know he gave about four different answers by the end of the week he said, well, he wouldn't have. what do you have to say about that? >> i tend to agree with secretary gates should be talking about the challenges going forward. i did stand up defend the president bush saying, i think any president, regardless of party would have made similar decision at the time with the information he had available. secretary of state then senator clinton voted for measures

supporting the iraq war. i think it was a failure. knowing what we know now i think it's safe many of us, myself included, we probably wouldn't have taken that tact. but i give credit to the president for recognizing the challenges, for being responsible for the surge listening to those in congress. that was highly successful. important to learn from the fact that this president and advisors he had made a mistake by urging president to pull back from our state we have place that is largely destabilized because of their quick move to get out of iraq that's something we need to learn going forward. we need to have strong presence there. >> schieffer: let me ask you about something that you said previously. you told a gathering that the most significant foreign policy decision of your lifetime was ronald reagan's ending the 1981 air traffic controller strike. you said it sends a message not only across america but around

the world. don't you think there may have been a few things while i agree that that was a significant development, a few things maybe a little more important like the nixon's opening to china, for example, the decision to go after osama bin laden. do you really think that was most significant foreign policy statement of your lifetime? >> i think those were all important things don't get me wrong, this is not something former secretary of state said that that was the most significant action during the reagan administration. i came of age during the reagan administration. i was i think just turned 13 two days before his election in 1908. for me, looking at that kind ever leadership he set the to be not just domestically with that action he sent message around the world as you just read off not only to our allies, someone who could be tested but in combination with adversaries.

combine that clear leadership position he took early. with the build up in the military, much like we need today to get back to minimum of gates level budget nor department of defense. you combine that with the leadership he showed, that's why i believe in many regards one of the lowest levels of military engagement not because president reagan was afraid, but adversaries knew we if needed. that made for safer world that was peace through strength. >> schieffer: leapt me ask you quickly about the iran negotiations. you're ready to stop the negotiations that i understand it, what do you see as the alternative. >> i think if we're going to have negotiations we should have them on our terms not on their's. we need to dismantle the elicit nuclear infrastructure that has to be clear real threat not just to israel. i talked to leaders from the persian gulf states, sunni states, secondly need to provide full disclosure transparency

and immediate ability to inspect which i don't think we fully have right now and at least the parameters of this supposed deal. third, need to make sure this they deal with others in the region. that iran in any way not much different than country i remember as a kid tied yellow ribbons around the tree, people like my friend kevin from what saw, wisconsin was the youngest marine. they need to learn to deal with others in the region. i think you've seep their influence in terms of shiite militia but involvement in syria. those are the sorts of things we need to crackdown on. >> schieffer: one final question. when are you going to make the decision whether or not to run? >> my state budget will be completed by the end of june, something i'm focused on every day completing another budget with the fifth and sixth year property tax relief. once that's complete we'll announce intentions to our state, to our country and the world and keep you posted. >> schieffer: thank you so much governor.

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>> schieffer: we're back now with the new chairman of the house intelligence committee devin nunes he joins us for his first sunday show interview since becoming chairman. we want to welcome you mr. chairman. let's just talk a little about this raid that took place over the weekend. u.s. special forces went into seary apparently killed a fairly significant isis leader got out without any americans being killed. flesh it out for us. >> many of us have been advocating this strategy for along time better way to gather intelligence versus just airstrikes. it takes guts for the administration and our military to put action like this together. it was successful. we're happy that they got back and got back safely. now overcoming weeks we'll know what they were actually able to

gather there. >> schieffer: i hear they may have gotten computers phones, how significant? >> well this target was known as the accountant for isis. hopefully, one would assume a lot of intelligence at his hide out. >> schieffer: he was the one as i understand it was brokering sales of oil. >> of oil. you would want to know what he's doing because you would want to know how they're bringing in money, moving money then spreading it out to the organization. >> schieffer: you are just coming to the chairmanship of this committee. what is your first impression? how are we doing in this fight against isis? >> well i think it's important for people to know first off that isis, i describe, as al qaeda 6.0 which is what ambassador crocker described. this is really the sixth generation of al qaeda. the problem that we have now i

think the american people understand and administration needs to get a better grasp of, isis is not just -- if your strategy to do degrade, ultimately defeat isis and you're not looking at the broader picture of places like north africa libya essentially what you have is containment strategy not an effort to degrade and beat isis. i say that because you have many of the fighters we know are coming from north africa. and if you don't stop that flow of fighters plus the flow of fighters from the west that are coming down in through turkey, getting trained then coming out to the west you're going to have ever increasing terrorist threat for united states and allies bob do you feel we're making progress here or are we losing? >> i think we are containing isis within borders of iraq and syria. outside that have we're not doing much. >> schieffer: on wednesday

you sent a letter to the 39 warning that the taliban who were released from gitmo as prisoner exchange last summer are due to be released from confinement in qatar. are you concerned about that? >> what we explained to the president was on june 1 less than two weeks away from guys who we know, what i said, we know they are in communications with bad guys just like they were doing before when they were picked up on the battlefield. so many of us believe they never should have been released and we just sent a letter to the president to make sure that you work with the qataris we don't want these guys going back to the battlefield engineering plans to kill american and nato allies. >> schieffer: what do you know about them? >> we know that they have been back, once they got to qatar that they had been in constant communication with some of their old pals.

>> schieffer: what about this whole issue of guantanamo, should it be closed down? >> i've long with been on the record to leave guantanamo bay. one of the tragedies that we've been relying more on drone strikes, which is a very effective tool, don't get me wrong. we need to have in our arsenal. when you go out and vaporize our opponents, not willing to bring them in, to places like guantanamo and get actual intelligence it makes it harder to understand the enemy harder to defeat. >> schieffer: the thing in congress, trade agreement, where do you come down on that? >> i believe it is imperative for us, for our national security interests to quickly pass trade promotion authority. you can then move on toments trans-pacific partnership and agreement with our european allies. if you can bring those trade agreements together you'll have two-thirds of the world's

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>> schieffer: some of our stations are leaving us now. most of you, we'll be right back with more "face the nation" including more of our interview with former secretary of defense robert gates and our panel.

>> schieffer: welcome back to "face the nation." we spoke friday to bob gates at the college of william and mary in williamsburg virginia. where he is chancellor. secretary gates best selling book "duty: memoirs of secretary at war" is now out in paperback we asked among other things what he thought about the nuclear deal with iran. >> first of all getting iranians to the negotiating table in the first place was a success for u.s. foreign policy. they came tote table because the economy was being strangled and leadership was afraid they might get overthrown. they there are because they have to be there. i think the agreement, there's some specifics in the agreement that are very encouraging but i have several concerns that i

hope can be addressed in negotiations between now and june. first is the timing of the lifting of the sanctions. is it -- are they going to be lifted right away. as long as the iranians agree to implement the agreement. or will they be phased over time based on performance which has been our position all along. second is verification. unless we have on-demand inspections at all facilities including military facilities, there's a great potential to cheat. third, i think that the idea being able to have these snap back sanctions, could be re-imposed once lifted very unrealistic. i think that the pursuit of the agreement is based on the president's hope that over ten-year period with the sanctions being lifted that the iranians will become a constructive stakeholder in the international community.

that at their economy begins to grow again that they will abandoned their ideology, their theology, their revolutionary principles. their medaling in various parts of the region. frankly i think that is unrealistic. >> schieffer: what if we can't get a deal? with is the alternative? >> i don't think the alternative is war. one alternative is better deal. i think that you go back to the sanctions, i think you reinforce the sanctions, you bakesly say here are the additional things we need for this agreement to work and to be worthwhile. and an agreement that reassures our allies or at least doesn't scare them half to death. if they choose not to come back to the negotiations but to race to nuclear weapon, my guess that will show that they intended to do that all along. despite all their protestation, is that they have no is interest in a nuclear weapon there.

is a poe upon shall. >> you worked with hillary clinton as secretary of state you two kind of bonded it seemed to me during the administration, do you think she's qualified to be a president? >> well, i only every dealt with secretary clinton on foreign policy matters. as i wrote in my book, we never discussed domestic affairs that probably was a good thing. but i think she was a good secretary of state. she played a critical role in getting much tougher sanctions on to allow more severe sanctions to be put into place. we agreed in terms of the afghan surge if anything she was tougher than i was. she was ready to support the 40,000 troops. only went along with the 30,000 because i proposed it. i think we certainly agreed in terms of how to deal with the

very first phases of the arab spring, particularly disagreeing with president on how to handle mubarak. so the first place we actually ever parted ways on intervention in libya which she supported and i i opposed. >> schieffer: does it bother you the controversial that everything her own server on the e-mails and deleting e-mails and all that have business? >> well, i think it's a concern. i never use e-mail for official business when i was either -- when i was director of cia e-mail. but as secretary of defense, i would use it for personal thing but i never used e-mail for business. and i just think the risky way to try to do business. >> schieffer: what about this controversy now over foreign governments contributing to the clinton foundation and this went on while she was secretary of

state. >> well, job the details. only what i read in the press. and so on. the question is, did the foundation abide by the agreement, is that were made when -- were those agreements fulfilled. i think that is the key question. and it is an issue of appearances at a minimum. >> schieffer: if it came down to it could you see yourself voting for hillary clinton? >> i think it's a little early to start -- i'm not sure that having a republican endorse you is the best thing at this point. the big argument in washington is over the trade bill. and here we have republicans, a lot lining up with the president on this and some in his own party are the most vehement

critics of this bill. >> i'm totally supportive. i think that the president is exactly right. he needs this fast track authority. this is important for not only our economic relationships with other countries and our own economic growth long term, it's important in terms of our political relationships and our security relationships with other countries. particularly in asia. so, i think that this is profoundly mistaken to oppose these trade packs and particularly in the way they have been put forward. >> schieffer: we're now hearing in iraq new victories by isis. can you envision the united states having to send ground troops there? >> actually, i think sending large numbers of u.s. ground troops back into iraq would be a serious mistake. but i do believe that the rules

of engagement for our troops need to be more flexible. we need to have more deeply embedded trainers with the iraqi, kurd in, the iraqi security forces, the sunni tribes with the kurds in the north. i think we need to have forward air controllers and spotters. we need to have special forces in there. i think to be able to really get at isis we need -- these are relatively small numbers. we have 3,000 plus in country already it seems to me fraction of those if given broader rules of engagement could have played more effective role. i worry about the role of the iranians and the shia militia in iraq and so for us to be more deeply engaged. we're talking hundreds or maybe at most a thousand u.s. forces. sending a big u.s. force back in

would be a mistake and i don't know of anybody who really supports that. >> schieffer: you're still concerned by the dysfunction in washington. do you see a way out of that? >> there are a lot of structural changes that have taken place over the last 30 years or so that make -- we've always had tough politics in this country. always had polarized politics. my favorite example is, the politics today are no worse than they were when the republicans controlled both houses of congress in 19 47. and truman was a hated president. he still got the nato agreement. got air treaty approved, restructured the national security organizations he got the marshal plan through. people were still willing to reach across the aisle to do what was in the best interest of the country. i think what is missing now are the number -- and empty middle both center left and right who

are willing to reach across and do deals and get things done. and anybody who wants to compromise are betraying their principles that's not the way our system of government works. constitution is a bundle. only way divided government, meaning the three separate branches of government works through compromise. you get these people, men and women say my way or the highway. that's not the way the american system has been able to work. >> schieffer: always fun to talk to you. wish you the best. >> thank a lot bob. wish you the best, too. >> schieffer: thank you.

>> schieffer: with some of my favorite people. peggy noonan is a cbs news contributor. david ignatious is with "washington post" columnist. and new york frank rich. let me start with you. with is tough week for jeb bush. >> it definitely was. he seemed consistently taken aback by the asking of a question anyone could have told you a year and two years ago going to be primary question of the primary times. it was difficult for him in ways that are almost mysterious. and because i think he showed some discomfort in his answers he sort of opened up the

possibility that this will only be the beginning of many questions about things your brother did, would you have done. you know what i mean? so, it was difficult however he deserves i think great credit in this. he's going to the press every day, retaking questions he's being out there doing sit-down interviews. mrs. clinton is doing a silent movie of a campaign which she doesn't feel she has to do those things. i don't think that's a good way to go. and problematic for her down the road. >> schieffer: what do you think, david i would guess at some point here hillary clinton will have to have a news conference. >> she is, i wrote this week, playing a rope-a-dope campaign, remember ma'am ed ali hoping to let the republicans punch themselves out. by the time we get to the real campaign their arms will be tired. i'm not sure that's going to

work. i found it genuinely troubling on issue where she was involved in the take off of the transpacific partnership trade deal she has been so silent as if she's really running scared from the liberal wing of her own party not putting her views out there. i thought the president by contrast was really a strong voice for what he believes in. i think for clinton to be compelling she's to go go to have to have same full throated expression of what she thinks. >> schieffer: what do you think, frank rich, lot of focus on foreign policy so far in this campaign. do you think that is going to go right on in to when she get into the final years of a campaign season? >> final decade it feels like already. i feel, look, if we're at or which we're unlikely to be, i hope we won't be. it would be enormous issue. short of that, i'm not sure, i also feel if republicans want to

distinguish themselves from hillary clinton probably not a good way to do it. she is the most hawkish national democrat. she was secretary of state which is credential they don't have. iep if you think she wasn't a great secretary of state. it's hard to take that away from her. she is the red phone at 3:00 in the morning candidate and you have bunch of fresh-faced youngish republicans for the most part who look like neophytes, no matter how hawkish they are they also sound the same. have to put themselves far to the right, sort of the territory to distinguish themselves from her. one exception rand paul has cratered on his revolt and foreign public policy i don't see percentage of republicans i think that republic is interested in the public. >> schieffer: let's talk about this republican. there are several dozen of them.

but as you heard bob gates say earlier today, and he is basically a republican although he said he's not impressed with any of them so far. >> he has already the past few years of exhibiting a fabulous and dangerous candor. it's a delight to see. i think there's one little distinction to be made here. he looks at the republican field, and in terms of foreign policy he says, well, i see pretty thin experience or knowledge more or less. there's a distinction between the republican governors going forward for the presidency and republican senators. republican senators are more immersed. their brain space has been filled with foreign poll seal. governors are mostly young men who are in effect catching up. their brain space last eight years has been full of domestic issues. and how the state is doing in

terms of economic environment. i do think however that the 2016 election will be both an economic and foreign policy election. it's a great cliche of american politics that every presidential is about the economy this will be half economy, half foreign policy because we all sense that the world is exploding every day. it will be important. and republicans i think have distance to go to make up for some gaps. >> schieffer: david, my sense is that no job being senator being a governor, being a business executive prepares one for being president of the united states. >> i think that's absolutely right. we referred earlier to harry truman. in one sense utterly unprepared to become president after franklin roosevelt yet he, by most accounts, was a superb foreign policy leader. this republican field with some exceptions, polar poe rubio

speaks powerfully with some real ideas about foreign policy generally they don't have a lot of experience. we've learned watching barack obama learn on the job the dangers of that. i think the american public looking at the selection, one thing hillary clinton has going. i wonder if people want to roll the dice again with very inexperienced person. frankly, we're not at war but we are fighting a very dangerous terrorist adversary in isis. which is expanding. congressman nunes is right, it is becoming a global force. that will be factor in 2016. people want somebody they have confidence going to be a good leader. >> you know, frank you just did a piece about this in new york magazine about the situation in baltimore which is not about foreign policy in the least. but certainly seems to me to be an issue before the american people right now. this is this sort of racial divide that we have been

reminded of for want of better way. by these recent events involving the police and african americans. >> well, exactly. and keep in mind where the conventions are taking place in 2016. the republicans are in cleveland. democrats are in philadelphia. both these cities have had police departments with african american police chiefs investigated by the justice department for abuses, much in the way that baltimore department is now. both these cities have enormous amount of poverty and unemployment which is much a piece of this as race. we're going to see two conventions i think in very tone deaf way i suspect in both cases, parting there dramatize a big domestic problem we have. cleveland where the -- was killed for carrying a toy gun have been similar cases in

philadelphia. going to be front and center in 2016 it's not going away. it's never going away. even before recent years. i feel it's going to be much more short of war going to be much bigger deal than the middle east. >> schieffer: do you think this is something that goes beyond police relations with the black communities? because i certainly do. i think what we are reminded of here and what we've been seeing is that african americans can look at one set of facts and white people can look at the same set of facts sometimes come up with the entirely different conclusions. it seems to me that's what we need to be working on and thinking about right now. how do you bridge that gap? >> it's very, very difficult. no one has a real solution and we get into a debate about government versus private enterprise, talk about having a

national discussion about race, i don't think that cuts it. i think the country as president said is going to have to decide if it wants to address this. this is 50 years of riots often for the same causes of the same triggers and i think going to have to be a -- it's going to take a leader, imagine, one republican candidate, we have 15 to 20, imagine if one doesn't matter which one really decided in real way to talk to black america, not make a cameo appearance at howard university or turn up at one convention of the naacp or whatever, really rolled up his or her sleeves and make some kind of interesting leadership statement about digging into this. not even on radar screen of one of our two major political parties. >> schieffer: let me go back to what is happening in washington. the president had this rather

unusual summit with arab leaders. and of all things invites six countries, all allies of the united states, only two of them david, chose to send their top guys. king sol lone of saudi arabia sent his number two and three that was pretty much it. what do you make that have? >> i think that there's no other way to look at the refusal to send king solomon after they said he would be coming as dissing the president. presidents don't make that ask without the expectation they will say yes. i am told by people that attended they were very positive. that getting these people together, the group that came are all pretty much of the same age, they spoke informally raised their hands one person said, one thing we've learned we should have done this a long time ago.

that these allies are important to us, that they have been anxious about american leadership, they needed to sit down with the president. the president explained with he's doing. i think that is one take away. do this meeting again hopefully king solomon is well, his health is an issue no question. saudis gave qualified negative message. >> schieffer: you make a very interesting point. like when the president asked somebody if he wants to serve in his cabinet always find out beforehand if the president calls and asks you what will you say. in this case they asked the king to come and he didn't show up. it's pretty hard to get past that. >> it's not something that makes the white house look impressive as an organization at the moment. it looks a little bit personal towards the president. and towards u.s. policy. i think just as interesting the past few weeks as this meeting

has been the trade authority drama in which the president and rest of his party have been having tensions. plenty of republicans. maybe not enough. it's been interesting to see the president be rebuffed publicly by some people. he used to be able to rely at least -- >> schieffer: and push back. >> which did he. i want to thank all three of you for being with us. lot of news this week. good to kick it around with all of you. we'll be back in one minute.

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