>> dickerson: ted on "face the nation" a shocking racial manifesto surfaces as charleston and the nation try to heal. and emanuel church opens its church for first time since last week's shooting. there are new disclosures from the gunman himself about what drove him to kill nine african americans in a racist rampage we'll get latest from charleston and talk to south carolina republican senator tim scott. ahead of the naacp cornell william brooks also examine the root causes of this kind of violence how to address them. finally chairman. house intelligence committee will be here to look at terror threats against americans. it's all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs

good morning welcome to "face the nation." i'm john dickerson. this morning hundreds poured into the mother emmanuel african methodist episcopal church. it's the first time since the gung wednesday night. the church is the oldest ame church in the south and central to the community where it has come to be known as mother emmanuel. the front page of carlson's local paper "the post and courier" paid tribute. people from across the state and country have visited memorials outside the church to pay their respects since wednesday's shooting. and just a short time ago bells rang in places of worship across the nation in honor of the nine victims. none so powerfully as those in the city of charleston itself. we begin our coverage with cbs news justice correspondent jeff pegues outside the church, what is the latest on the

investigation? >> john, the fbi is taking steps to verify the authenticity of dylann roof's purported manifesto was found on website that contained photographs of the 'cuesed killer. dylann roof burning an american flag pointing gun at camera. the website also contains 2400 word manifesto which says he was not raised in a racist i'm but event that truly awakened him was the trayvon martin case. prompted him to search forn online he found some of it on extremist websites concluded it was obvious that zimmerman was in the right and i have never been the same since that day. the manifesto details hatred towards blacks, hispanics and juice. the author says i have no choice, we have no skinheads, no real kkk no one doing anything but talking on the internet. while someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real

world. i guess that has to be me. >> active shooter multiple people down. >> wednesday night investigators believe roof went to the bible study meeting first sat with parishioners then stood up, pulled out a handgun and fired as many as two dozen shots. the peace and security of the church was shattered wednesday night with the shooting congregants hope to reclaim that feeling. j thank you very much, jeff. joining us now is south carolina republican senator tim scott. good morning senator there has been a lot of debate in the wake of this shooting about the cause, racism, gunsy do you think this happened? >> well, before we jump into the why, i want to acknowledge the nine victims that lost their lives. one of whom was a friend of mine clemente pinckney the pastor, he was just a jewel of a person, a prince of a man a

god-fearing guy that believed in building bridges. what we look for as to the reasons why this happened it's hard to understand when evil is just over taking the heart the mind is just demented, this was a case of racism. his actions were driven by hatred, that is the clear and dominant reason this happened. >> dickerson: when you look at the shooter's manifesto senator, it is extraordinary. he says that there is not enough racism in the world and that that is what this -- what drove him to this action. what is your reaction to that? >> well, there's no doubt that when your mind and heart are consumed with hatred and with racist motivation that he's creates a race war according to i believe his own words in this country. what he's done for south carolina, what he's done for charleston he's brought our

community together. one of the beautiful scenes that was etched into my memory now is that morris brown church, we had such a diverse gathering of south carolinaians coming to pay respect to the families and to love on them just day and half later to have several thousand people show up, two-thirds or more not being black here at home to see that kind of a unified group of people coming together to pray for and to just hug the families so much about what he has sparked which is bringing people together. we're going to have a robust conversation going forward about race relations a robust conversation going forward about bringing people together and i look forward to participating in that conversation. the entire state now is without any question taking a leap forward with the enemy meant for evil, i believe god will bring

good out of it. >> dickerson: as part that have conversation, senator, some people are talking about the confederate flag, what does that flag symbolize to you? >> no doubt that south carolina has a rich and provocative history, that flag is a part of the history. for some that flag represents that history. for so many others it represents a pain and proceed prex. i'm looking forward to state leaders getting together having robust conversation after the funerals about what is the next step. if you look back at our history just 15 years ago you saw the compromise that was reached by both sides that thought that that was permanent proceed mice. now we've heard indications that there will be an ongoing conversation. real bee bait and discussion about next steps that will be coming soon and after the fub los angeles we look forward to participating. >> dickerson: senator mitt

romney says the flag should be taken down and russell moore of the southern baptist convention, that sort of symbolism is out of step with the justice of jesus christ, the cross and cop fed rat flag cannot co-exist without on setting the other on fire. what is your personal stance in that conversation you say needs to take place about the flag? >> powerful words from some strong leaders, i am going to make sure that i am a part of that conversation. my voice will be clear my position will be stated i'm not going to make any breaking news here. i have made the commitment to wait until after the funeral to start that debate. >> dickerson: another element that have debate quickly the president said, it's not enough to just show sympathy and he wants to make the harder to get guns, what's your opinion about that? >> listen, first thing that you should do in the aftermath 6 an

amazing atrocity look for solutions to prevent fit happening again. what i do know that the gun laws that were broken did not stop this monster this killer from carrying out his acts. what i do know is that the gun laws that prevented him from bringing a gun into the church did not work. so looking for the right legislative solution to make sure that doesn't happen gibb i think that much evil in the heart, it is hard to think of the right legislative solution for that problem. >> dickerson: septor scott, we thank you very much for being with us this morning. we turn now to the head of the naacp cornell william brooks. who is also in charleston, this morning. good morning mr. brooks. i want to start with the two big questions, why did this happen and how do we keep fit happening again. you've talked about the atmosphere that created this, what did you mean by that? >> first of all i want to extend my condolences on entire naacp

family to the victims of this horrific tragedy. also just say we as americans we'll get through this, we cannot underestimate the evil that occurred here but we cannot do our faith underestimate our capacity for good. there is in this country a climate of caring, but also atmosphere of hate. what we've seen in this city across the last few days is a climate of caring, people have come together they wrapped their arms around one another. they extended love to one another. that speaks to the best of who we are. but there's also r atmosphere of hate this young man who entered bible study received right hand of fellowship, perhaps received open bible from the pastor, laid down that baseball, laid down the hand of fellowship picked up a gun assassinated nine people what can be called no less than flesh and blood obscenity.

this crime may have occurred in moments but it came into being over some time. this young man was indoctrinated, radicalized if you will with an ideology of white nationalism or racism and so the point being here we've got to look at not only this individual act of brutality we also have to look at the atmosphere from which it emerged we have to address that. we think about the fact that in this country the 784 hate groups, the level of hate crimes in this country has remained constant over years. we have to allocate resources to address these hate groups and these hate crimes. fact of the matter is that justice department underestimates the degree of hate crimes in this country because they have to rely on self reporting. that is a challenge. and the fact that we have at least two to three hundred thousand hate crimes in given year is unconscionable and

inconsistent with our values as americans. we have to address that. >> dickerson: one of the things that people are wrestling with is this isolated incident of a crazy, evil person or was he taking soundings from a larger cultural racism. where do you stand on that question? >> well, here is what i would note. that young man was wearing a flag of the pre-nelson mandela apartheid. also wore flag of the nation of row desha. drove a car embellished with the confederate flag. each of these sim becomes is illustrative of underlying racism in this country. among a minority of americans but level of racism and racial bigotry and racist ideology that we cannot blink, we cannot ignore, we have to address. it is a moral ugliness in our

midst but we have to address that. that means very specifically our houses of faith have to speak to the challenge. we as democratic and moral leaders in this country have to speak to that but we also need vigorous prosecution and investigation of these hate groups and resources to do so. to be clear, we cannot tolerate a diminimus amount of racism and bigotry in our country. it must be stamp stamped out. that of a violent nature. you can have young man insert bible study think about that, bible study target this particular church, this particular city, this particular category of americans namely african americans and carry out this brutality and evil in our midst. it has to be addressed. with resources with a moral commitment with a prosecutorial commitment. >> dickerson: defenders of the flag that flies the confederate

flag says that what you've just describe asked a level of evil it's going to exist whether the flag flies or not. >> i would beg to differ. the naacp has led a boycott of the state of south carolina because we are going to bring that flag down. fact of the matter is that flag represents exclusion represents bigotry, represents biased. there are white nationalist groups across the country see that flag representing their values. the fact of the matter is our american flag represents the values of the majority of americans. that is inclusion that is democracy, that is the spirit of our founding fathers and our founding mothers. that confederate flag does not represent those values and in 2015 it's anachronistic emblem of bygone era. and set of values that run contradictory, that run count

tore who we are as americans. it has to come down. it must come down. >> dickerson: i'll ask you final question about one of the mothers of one of the victims who was there in the church who spoke at the shooter's bond hearing. she said to him we enjoyed you" of, you are amine per, you've led bible study of exactly this kind, that sense of forgiveness has struck a lot of people. where does that forgiveness come from to say we enjoyed you to the man who killed her son. >> it speaks to the faith that is taught in the church across is the and the faith that americans hold dear in their hearts all across this country. the fact is, that we have group of parishioners, students of scripture works extended grace and love to a stranger and their family members in the wake of their death are still extending grace and love and forgiveness to one who is a stranger. that speaks to the commonality

of the faith of those who were slain and those who were left behind. but also to the city and to this country that is to say we have within us a tremendous moral capacity to forgive and to love. but not enough to forgive and love we have to also hold accountable, we have to also say to this young man and to those who may have influenced him we are not allowing to you corrupt our democracy. we will not allow to you tape our democracy to this kind of bigotry, violence. it is simply unacceptable. >> dickerson: thanks so much. [whirring drones] just stay calm and move as quietly as possible. ♪ [whirring drones] ♪ no sudden movements. ♪ [screaming panic] ♪ [whirring drones] google search: bodega beach house. ♪

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seh and you've studieded criminal mind. where does this person felt in that? the shooter? >> the violence that he did so extreme. with that manifesto it gives us a little insight into his thinking, but what's really important to understand is when someone acts out this violently this involves over a long period of time. it goes back to when frankly goes back to when he was a small child. you develop your coping behaviors, outlook on life, you develop an attitude towards violence and all of that evolves to the point where the world is a bad place to live. the world is filled with enemies. you hate people. but you can see it just takes years for that kind of thing to develop. and there's no reality check. there's no one that stands in says, that simply not acceptable it gets to the point that people are nearly objects.

that can also be supported by someone who has personality type that has no empathy for other people, feels no guilty for what they do it's a deadly combination. very complicated in terms of getting to the point where he walks into that church. it didn't start at the trayvon martin case either. >> dickerson: there are other young men shooters like this, is this in that same pattern. >> well, this case has a lot of distinctive aspects to it. one that is just chilling was his ability to sit and face his victims and interact with them for an hour. they obviously were not threatened by him because they would have called the police. then after the hour to stand up, there's no bonding that took place. that suggests that this is someone that doesn't bond with other people he stands up he starts to kill them. >> dickerson: carolyn, when you look at this, help us understand it.

>> you know, in 2009 you may remember that the then homeland security security janet napolitano issued a report and in that report she suggested that we were in the danger of people like this. she suggested then that right wing extremist groups and white supremacist groups were ramping up they were in threat of radicalizing and operationalizing people like the people that were just described. she was denounced moore report. as you may recall. as a matter of fact at the time then minority leader now majority leader john boehner specifically denounced her for referring -- using the term terrorist to describe what he said are american citizens who disagree with the direction that washington democrats are taking the nation. this was report that she issued after the massacre in the sikh temple which six people were killed after three police officers were killed in pittsburgh in both cases by

right wing extremist and white supremacists it was politicized. itfuls put right into the well of partisan politics. for african americans who are well aware of this threat, who recognize that it exists, who have lived with this threat for many decades there is a feeling of vulnerability, of not being taken seriously, part that is supposed to bring us all together as nation, republicans and democrats, black and white the safety of our nation. that's first and foremost if you call yourself a patriot you say you love this country, first and foremost you care about the safety of the citizens. what we have seen too often is the safety of african american citizens sacrificed for the purpose of partisan gain. people are afraid to say the truth. allowing themselves to traffic in the tools of white supremacy like the confederate flag this has to stop. we're at moment where, yes, there are these people that have been described who are out there and we can't find every single

one of them but we have law enforcement apparatus in this country that is reported to be one of the best in the world. and we have had the alarm bell rung we have to see a different stance of our law enforcement apparatus towards using their power to find these kinds of individuals and to stop this radicalization. >> dickerson: are there warning signs for these kinds of individuals, what is the structure for moving on those warning signs? >> i agree with you. because someone like is already hating -- i call them equal opportunity hater they're going to be drawn to this supremacy ideation. but there are warning signs, there were many warning signs in this, they occurred over months. one of the most profound ones is leakage, leakage to communicating ahead of time what you're going to do you tell your friends or you may inadvertently tell an adult but you communicate what your plans are. then you have other warning

signs. obsession with mass killers taking on persona of being someone that's a warrior that's what we saw in the pictures. people can see that as easy involving down the road. >> they did see it, they didn't react. that's where again the atmosphere that we create about what the danger is and who these people are is critically important. he had a friend who says, i heard him say all this stuff but i don't judge people. i think you get to judge somebody who is a white supremacist if you're an american citizen. we've created context which these are people with just different viewpoint than me. this is dangerous. fatal for black people. and i think bee need leadership, not only in congress, leadership in law enforcement to call this what it is. domestic terrorism and we have to use all of our tools to get at that. >> dickerson: for us to speak up as well. thank you very much. we'll be back in a moment with some personal thoughts about forgiveness.

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>> dickerson: the attack of the mother emmanuel church not just murder of nine african american worshippers. like all terrorist attacks a message to use violence to sow hate. the shooter left one person alive to bear witness to what he had done. but two days later at his bond hearing members of the victim's family stood and one after the other forgave the alleged murderer and prayed for him. >> something very precious, i will never hug her again never hold her again. but i forgive you. >> i loved my grandfather and

other victims died, this is proof that they lived and loved and hate won't win. >> i'm very angry. but one thing that is always in our family that we are the family that loves. >> we have no room for hate. we have to forgive. >> dickerson: this is what it looks like to bear witness. to testify. the shooter took life but he also tried to steal the faith that gives the community the strength the but that cannot be taken. those calls for forgiveness proofs that, there are tributes to the nine victims and power of the faith that brought them together on wednesday night in june to pray.

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>> dickerson: welcome back to files the nation. more on the charleston story in a moment but for now we turn to foreign news this week. cbs news correspondent traveled to yemen got a rare look one of the world's most dangerous fronts in the war on terror. she filed this report earlier. >> for three long months in saudi arabia led coalition has been bombing yemen. the goal, to push out rebel forces who swept to power last fall ousted the president. and who the coalition view as proxy for their arch rival iran. we were among first outside journalists to get inside yes, ma'am tone see the effects of the war firsthand. we landed to the news that an airstrike had hit the old city, 2500 year old cultural heritage

site known for its distinctive mud brick houses. at least five people were killed. at the scene showed us the remnants of his family home. >> not give any reason. we are not -- don't want to destroy anybody. >> most of the airstrikes have targeted military installations now under the control of the forces civilians are paying a high price. an estimated 1300 have been killed so far many more have fled the violence. it's not hard to see y. this is the sound of every day life here. we can hear out going anti-aircraft just overhead supposedly bombing over in those mountains over there. a saudi lead blockade on the country is compounding the situation. 80% of yemenese are in need of aid but vital food, water

medical supplies can't get in, people cannot get out. at the hospital we met ab dual ma'am p head who was recovering from shape nell injuries. his relatives explain that muhammad needs surgery overseas if his eye is to be received. but that he can't leave because of the blockade. many people here blame america for supplying the bombs that saudi arabia is dropping. officially the suns taking sides in this war. would share saudi concern that iran's influence is growing here. they deny that they are backed. but rally we attended, it was clear where their sympathies lie. inspired by the revolution. they share a key enemy.

al qaeda. this week it was announced that their leader here was killed in a drone strike but the group is now in a strong position. having used the vacuum created by months of fighting to expand territory and rally recruits. perhaps the only winners in this war which is costing the people of yemen so dearly. for "face the nation," this is clarissa ward reporting from yemen. >> dickerson: we're joined by chairman of the house intelligence committee devin nunes. start with yemen y. is yemen so important in the war on terrorism? >> the proximity that it holds to the interests of the suez canal why it's such an important place. but let's also remember that you have country that is geographically very difficult. high mountains in the north the shiites supported by iran.

al qaeda, kind of everywhere into the west. and -- or to the east. then you have what the remnants of whatever is left of the government which i believe saudis and other allies of ours are trying to support. going to be a long, drawn out civil war. >> al qaeda that is there the u.s. drone strike killed number two in al qaeda there. also the bomb maker of al qaeda who is there. in terms of central place. >> aqap has long been one of the number one high value targets of our in tell generals services and our military. and thankfully we were successful with our counter terrorism operations this week. >> i want to ask you about that there seemed to be confusion of what the drones hit. this is not the first time that happened y. is the intelligence so fuzzy? >> well, what you have to remember, we don't have embassy there. amazing that your report kiir get into there. it's tough to really know who we can trust. my guess is that just took time

to get the information out of yemen to in fact confirm that these guys have been killed. >> dickerson: that's what's happening in yemen. turn to what is happening in the united states. there have been more arrests of people who are isis sympathizers or would like to be part of isis, what is the nature of that threat? >> well, we face the highest threat level we have ever faced in this country today. >> dickerson: including after 9/11? >> including after 9/11 and couple reasons why. one is the flow of fight that's right have went from europe and other western countries like united states to fight who have now come out. we don't know all the people who went in nor do we know the people who have been back are now on the streets in the united states. fbi director says there are cases open in 50 states. second probably more important fact is, that on the internet

young people are being radicalized. you saw the attack in boston and in texas. and when you beginning to go into incrypted chat rooms to where even investigations do no good. it is critical that the american people when they see something that looks suspicious they need to get it to the proper authorities. because we are having a tough time tracking terrorists within the united states. >> dickerson: you talk about the level of the threat. july 4 is coming up, some people have talked about that date. what is the association between level of threat and coming holiday? >> clearly july 4th is a day that americans celebrate our independence day. lots of people even open our nation's capital. thousands of people out to watch the fireworks. that will happen in every city, every community across america. so it's just tough to secure those types of areas if you have someone who wants to blow themself up or open fire or

other threats of that nature. and we just don't know or can track all of the bad guys that are out there today. >> dickerson: you mentioned social media report that state department's frustrated with the social media response to the isis social media in your view what is the solution? is it better tweets or going and attacking the people who are sending out the social media messages from isis? >> radical jee haddists have gotten better from now,000 they're very good now. at communicating in english and very good at communicating through separate avenues to where it's very difficult to track. and so that is why when you get a young person who is willing to get into these chat rooms go on the internet get radicalized something that we're -- not only unprepared we're just not used to it in this country. >> dickerson: how do we fix it? >> i this it's going to be very difficult. number one we have to have a long term strategy to defeat

radical jee haddism especially in the middle east. >> dickerson: final question about charleston, massacre there. was it terrorism? >> well, it could be domestic terrorism when you look at clearly a hate crime in -- from my book. clearly racism. you have to leave it up to the prosecutors for the legal definition how this guy will be charged. at a municipal mummies going to serve life in prison and possibly receive the death penalty. >> dickerson: but just as regular person looking at this, what should -- >> easily call it domestic terrorism. somebody just from a lehmann's point ever view. i don't know about from a legal point of view. >> dickerson: thank you so much for chaining us. we'll be right back with our panel.

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>> dickerson: now back with our panel, gwen ifill is the managing editor of the pbs "newshour." michael gerson for the "washington post" we welcome to the broadcast radio talk show host hugh hewitt is the author of "the queen" and the coming of a second clinton era and david ignatious, also of the "washington post" columnist. david, start with you. yemen, killing of al qaeda number two how important was that? >> well, it was a significant strike. i was struck listening touchier man nunez about the deteriorating situation in yemen. u.s. has very little weapons. second thing there was really

striking what he said that we are at the highest domestic threat level if i understood him in our recent history. even higher than after 9/11. couldn't hear that not wonder at all if things that he knows that are coming at us or are on the radar that could cause trouble. >> dickerson: president obama once pointed yemen of a symbol how things could go well. why are things shifted so badly? >> john, yemen tragic deis place where they did try to do it right. we had a strong embassy team. the beam see reached out to the different groups, tried to sponsor dialogue, u.s. military tried to train yemenis soldiers to fight this fight themselves. it all crumbled. the best efforts u.s. made in any of these middle eastern countries came. now we have no embassy there very few weapons just shows these are countries that are coming apart and we don't have

the tools to put them back together. >> dickerson: let's pivot switch to charleston now talk about that. hugh what do you make of what happened? president obama says it's guns. how do you think about what happened in charleston. >> start with the nine saints who were assassinated. with the pastor preached on these people. they were studying the gospel of mark chapter. they already brought back 100 fold in grace and forgiveness the example of their families was amazing but the reading today was about the sea being in the middle of the storm. and apostles being afraid. so people are afraid after this. rightly so. yemen, domestic terrorists, they have to be called they have to reflect upon the fact that there are good people in charleston sitting around small groups praying for souls like that tore meanted killer and i think that is the good part of this. i'm not sure we should go to

political solutions yet. i thought senator scott was right to that. >> dickerson: you also went to church. >> i did. exactly the same scripture. the question that my pastor raised at metropolitan ame church where we feel closely affected by this, many people including my pastor knew reverend pinckney had connections in south carolina. so there was a lot of emotion there and it was a vigil there on friday. but they preached that same -- that same sermon he said that he pointed out how disciples had questions works is this person who is appeared in his calm, that's what we need to have. before we race to answers that we have to have questions. forgiveness itself is a wonderful thing. but it's a process. something that you strive toward something you have ambition toward. it is amazing to hear those souls talk about that on friday. but you also knew that they weren't all the way there yet. they couldn't be. doesn't mean that we stop there.

that's where it's never too soon to start talking about solutions. we have as he was talking about robust conversations am the time. then they fade away and nothing else happens. >> interesting to see what happens in that robust conversation once it starts. michael gerson, forgiveness something we don't see usually in politics in this kind of way. >> it's a reminder that there is something impossible at the heart of the christian faith which is love your enemy. it's something that i don't know i could do. when you see it evidenced it has a tremendous power this forgiveness comes from a position of strength, spiritual maturity institutional strength. this is not a weak virtue. it comes from the strength to love that's what martin luther king talked about. often preached on. the strength to love. and i think that is what we've seen demonstrated in this circumstance. >> dickerson: hugh, ask you about the debate that's raise

enup we'll switch to the solutions portion here about the flag in charleston. what do you think will happen? >> well, if i were state senator or state legislator i would vote to remove the memorial. i would i was at the columbia when first debate was raging, i was walking up the steps i was stopped by lieutenant governor and wanted me to -- please, understand, that's not our state. the flag came up in the 2014 gubernatorial debate. it never comes up when crows move to i think it will be gone very quickly. i do respect people who don't want to throw themselves on the political thing without focusing on -- i didn't know pastor pinckney but i have worshipped with a great ame pastor in los angeles and in orange county. i just want to grieve those people. i just think to bring up the flag to, rush to this, although it has to be done in few weeks

ignores these extraordinary -- one of the most ex nordary people i've read about. ferocious shoe warrior one of friends called her. they're all just wonderful people. i don't like the debate going there that quickly. >> i think that the natural human instinct what do you do, how do you stop this, flag is a good recurring symbol when mitt romney said the flag should come down. he said that before. when hillary clinton said that, she had said that before. then she took it beyond the symbol and started talking about race in the conversation that we should be having about this country. we could get distracted, talk about the victims, right. go to the symbol of the the flag. but at 134 point more than robust conversation has to have. the president's solution is guns. to speak to guns. other people's solutions to speak to domestic terrorism as

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>> dickerson: we're back with our panel. michael gerson, the causes of this. where do you put your finger on it? >> there for problems. racism these americans are dead because they're african american that's the simple fact of this matter. and we really need to question how does that jump from generations, get to young people like this, that's really important question in our society. and then we also have the problem of angry young men radicalized by the internet which is broader than this circumstance. it's actually -- when you combine those two problems the racism and angry young men you get domestic terrorism. that's what you end up with. and in those cases it's actually the signs of radicalization in

individual somehow that we node to get at and become more conscious about. >> dickerson: david the president says this doesn't happen in other advanced countries. what did you make of that and his -- >> i thought one of the really moving parts of this terrible story, this past week, was watching president obama on thursday morning angry deeply wounded himself. he looked older tireder than i can remember. but he was speaking from the heart about this problem. struck me that in the remaining time that he's president after ferguson after new york city, this issue of violence against african americans and how we talk about it, we how begin to move to a different place, it is the issue before the president. his chance to do something that he can uniquely do. i hope that's -- so beaten down by the problem i hope it's sill

there. >> reminded me, john, i tried to, pray for the safety of the president every day because there are a lot of hate that's right would like to harm him and his family i think this reminds us because of race, what michael said about the internet, about eight years ago an anti-christian not anti-black extremist attack, youth with a mission in colorado. murdered four people over the course. he had been radicalized he was a young man said, 100 million times a day isis touches someone with their message. angry young men on the internet make for whether they are empowering racist or jihaddists or anyone, it's a nightmarish problem that we haven't begun to cope with. >> dickerson: president mentioned guns, david suggested he seemed exhausted by -- then later said i'm not defeated. >> he played it back. dickerson: what can the president do? >> reality we know that what the

political resalt in washington which is there's not a lot of stomach for guns. in fact i think we heard senator scott may have been one who said, there are no existing gun laws that would have stopped this from happening. there was even push back to the president's claim more gun ridden nation than others which caused the white house to send out tweet which they said that 279 times more likely to have -- we are 279 more times to have gun violence than japan. 49 times more than france. 33 times more than israel. we are a violent culture in many ways. question is how does it man test itself. in this case some team try to step around, wasn't about race. we saw the man test, it was. >> i would add this is an opportunity for republican candidate to do big picture speech. address issues of race and violence. i think that is a missed opportunity to some extent. republicans look awkward in their initial preaction.

didn't know how to deal with it -- >> need to come around to that. >> couple of come out against the flag. i think this is case where republicans could give big picture speech put some of this in context. have a real message. >> dickerson: why was there awkwardness? do you read it as awkwardness as well? >> i do. because they don't -- when facts are coming in, when there is breaking news the story is not correct. if anybody come forward said anything on wednesday night they would have been wrong. not have known about the manifesto, the hard core white racist domestic terrorism. we didn't know that until yesterday. candidates especially are tentative but they need to be non-awkward now michael was right l. is an opportunity for mrs. clinton and senator sanders, has to talk about violence seriously. >> dickerson: you used to write speeches, if someone was going to give this kind of speech they need inroads if you're

republicans, inroads into the her party to make their case. what would you say? if you were writing such a speech? >> i think it's a challenge. but i do think there is enduring problem that is transmitted between generations that has to be broken. the question is how we root this out in our laws and our lives. that i think is a question republicans should have an answer to. how do we root out racism in our laws and lives. then to go to talk about this additional problem of young men radicalized on the internet which is much broader challenge. >> first you have to acknowledge it. the manifesto pictures yesterday, these are not selfies. someone took those pictures. he's 1 years old he didn't get radicalized yesterday. somewhere in his life this happened. not just one lone whacko not just random violence there is something upped lying it which we have to speak to. >> dickerson: as you think about how these pieces would be put

together as michael says, one enduring part of this is going to be the faces of those parishioners who lost their loved ones expressing forgiveness. the pore sis tans of the black church that think were part of it. that church has been turned down twice over, it came back the story of martin ruther king these terrible church bombings, church kept coming back, believed, had faith didn't react violently. this the country is going to build, there it is. that is what you build on. >> dickerson: thank you all very much. we'll be right back. then... wham! a minivan t-bones you. guess what: your insurance company will only give you 37-thousand to replace it. "depreciation" they claim. "how can my car depreciate before it's first oil change?" you ask. maybe the better question is why do you have that insurance company? with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of your car. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance.

>> dickerson: before we go we remember the victims of wednesday's killing.

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