>> dickerson: today on "face the nation." obama administration mission a deal with iran now tries to sell it to congress. and has donald trump finally gone too far. we sat down with the top u.s. negotiators, secretary of state john kerry and secretary of energy ernest moniz. we'll hear from prime minister benjamin netanyahu a top critic of the deal. a shooting rampage at marine recruiting center takes five lives. we'll talk to the top democrat on step at intelligence committee about these type of lone wolf terror attacks. donald trump goes on the defensive after he criticisms former pob. >> he is a -- because he was captured. we'll have analysis ton that all the news it's all ahead on "face

the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs we're going to start this morning with historic deal between united states and iran limit that country's nuclear capabilities. congress has 06 days to review the deal and vote on it. friday we sat down with secretary of state john kerry and energy secretary earnest moniz who kale face. >> mr. secretary iran is sworn enemy of the united states. why should americans within they see iranians dancing in the street why shouldn't they be suspicious. >> everybody should be. we're suspicious. which is why we negotiated the deal that is not based on trust at all. everything that this deal is based on is on performance that could be verified. and that is critical. ronald reagan negotiated with the former soviet union. richard nixon negotiated with red china. you have to negotiate sometimes

with people to make the world and your country safer. we negotiated because president obama thought the primary challenge here was getting a nuclear weapon away from iran and we believe this deal does that. >> dickerson: secretary moniz, one of the opponent, prime minister benjamin netanyahu of the 24 day waiting period on inspections, he said, you wouldn't tell a drug dealer, give them 24-day notice they just flush the drugs down the toilet, do they have a point? >> i don't think that's an option with nuclear materials. the first point is that under iaea engagements, they had no timeframe for resolving issues when going to undeclared sights. getting defined timeframe is very critical. there has to be a process to go through with the p5 plus one to force in case of dispute, force inspection. iran otherwise to in breach.

24 days we feel confident to detect any nuclear activity very long after it has occurred. >> what happened mr. secretary can with any tomb, anywhere? >> this is a them honestly i never heard in the four years that we were negotiating. no such thing in arms control as any time anywhere. there isn't any nation in the world none, that has any time, anywhere. it is truth is what we always were negotiating was an end to the interminably delays. what he said is iaea has no way to end it. we negotiated a way to ebbed it. we have a finite time period that's never happened before. we have one nation's ability to take this school to enforce it that is unique. we think it was a huge accomplishment.

>> to get this finite period. the said in april you will have anywhere any time, 24-7 access. >> we have access to these places. i don't know if he was referring everywhere, but access resolution of an iaea challenge for a suspected facility that's undeclared this is a break through agreement which has a finite period that our intel community, our scientists that no way for them to hide that material or do away in 24 days. >> dickerson: if i could just jump in clarify again iaea world is very important to distinguish, declared, undeclared sights. declared we have 24 hour access, undeclared we have this process. >> dickerson: we'll have to move

on. secretary kerry terrorist takes to get both conventional arms and ballistic missiles. >> we're not. there is a limit on their ability to do so. under the arms embargo arms control there will be limit of five years. under the missile eight years the reason that we're only able to limit to five and eight which is quite extraordinary we got that. was that three of the nations negotiating thought they shouldn't have any. they are ready to hold out. we said under no circumstances we have to have those and they add on through additional mechanisms that we have to hold them accountable, arms and missiles. missile control technology other missile restraints. also have other u.n. resolutions that prevent them from moving arms. prevents them from moving arms to the shia. to the shia militia.

prevents moves arms to hezbollah. we have an ability way beyond nothing to do with this agreement continue to enforce those issues. >> dickerson: how should americans think about iran in wake of this agreement s. iran america's enemy? >> well, iran has been, obviously. the same way that ronald reagan negotiated with the soviet union, same way that richard nixon negotiated what we then called red china we have now negotiated with somebody who took our embassy over, took hostages, killed americans many of the things you hear people say. supported terrorism. but what we need to recognize is that an iran that we want to stop the behavior of, with the nuclear weapon, is a very different iran than iran without a nuclear weapon. and we saw this opportunity, the president saw it, committed us to try to find a way through diplomacy to end that program of nuclear, that's exactly what we have done.

>> dickerson: you said they were an enemy what are they now? >> i said, they are an enemy. they are still we're still adversaries. we're not allies and friends any means. this agreement does only one thing. you heard the ayatollah just in the last days proclaiming the continued with the united states. is very different country than iran with one. that middle east without nuclear weapon is a safer, middle east. we believe that israel, we believe the region will ultimately be much safer because of this deep. if we don't do this deal, if coming guess says no to this deal there will be no restraints on iran, there will be no sanctions left. our friends will desert us. we will be viewed as having killed the opportunity to stop them from having weapons, they

will begin to enrich again greater likelihood you'll have a war. >> dickerson: last question. if you don't get majority in congress to support this deal doesn't that undermine the deal? >> no. not in the least. they don't care over there whether it's majority or minority or whatever it is as long as deal is implemented. that's what we care about. this we love see congress listen carefully and we're going to go up and meet with them. we're going to do our utmost to persuade people. no, i don't think that undermines this deal. this deal will stand on the fact that there's up precedented inspection. unprecedented access. unprecedented restraint and their program which they have agreed to. increase in the break out time for material from two months to one year for the next ten years. there is a limit on their size of their stockpile for 15 years. for 25 years they are going to have to allow tracking and

monitoring of their mining, of their uranium through the fuel cycle and our experts are convinced, exerts are convinced that we will know what they were doing and we will be able to protect our security interests and interests of the region. >> dickerson: just add that, for the long term, we are certainly better off with regard to any weapon possibility with this deal and without it. that starts day one. it goes on essentially indefinitely. >> dickerson: thank you. joining me now is the top critic of the iran nuclear deal israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. sect kerry said that iran was an enemy of the united states is now an adversary. you said the question is, what is the nature of the iranian regime. why is that so important? >> well, you got a pretty big indication that have yesterday when the ruler of iran, the ayatollah said, after this agreement is concluded that he's

going to continue supporting terrorists in the middle east and in the world. he's committed to israel's destruction, this regime has just received a dream deal. it's getting -- may get deal that may block or delay iran's path to one or two bombs the next few years assuming they don't cheat. but pave their way because they become threshold state with full international legitimate see to boot also get cash to fund their terrorists and aggression against us, against the region. against america and the world. i think this is a very bad deal with a very bad regime. it's not good nor anyone's security. not ours, not yours. >> dickerson: in the short run isn't israel safer at the beginning of this year the break out time couple of months now to a year doesn't that make israel safer? >> no, it doesn't.

because iran would have to go against international sanction, is that were hobbling their economy, their inflation rate was 35%. they were about to collapse. the economy was in dire straits. i think that what they got now is a path that gets rid of all these sanctions allows keep the deal, able to break out to where they can get to nuclear arsenal vert rally zero break out time. iran on path to a much bigger nuclear arsenal. and secondly they're getting a lot of money. their economy was really stifled now going to get all that with which they can arm their terrorists hamas and various terrorist groups supported around the world. >> dickerson: you talk all the other areas that iran is active in the region. secretary kerry said that the united states is going to,

quote, up our game in terms of pushing back against iran and those other areas. what would you like to see if the united states was indeed to up its game? >> i think biggest thing is the dual threat that is posed against israel, arab neighbors many of the leaders as leader of the opposition here in ace real. this deal by itself is biggest problem that we face. i think that the problem with iran is that nothing has been actually restricted on its behavior. i offered an alternative, they said there's no alternative to this deal. of course there is. first was dismantling iran's nuclear program. that was the original american position. it was a good one. i offered another alternative dismantle part of the nuclear facilities, don't remove those restrictions until rean changes its aggressive behavior. none of these restrictions stop

terrorism. forcing them to stop calling for destruction. stop their attacks which killed hundreds of americans forcing them to dismantle the missiles that are developing for years. developing these intercontinental ballistic missiles for us. they will be able to tip them with nuclear warheads. none of that has been acquired. i think right thing to do not to go ahead with this deal. many other things can be done to stop iran's aggression but making this deal is not one of them. >> dickerson: i know you're talking to lots of people, talking to us obviously, will you lobbying members of congress against this deal? >> i feel it's my obligation as prime minister of israel to speak out against something that endangers the survival of my country, security of the region, security of the world. i obviously make my face. i think that is important. it's not only important for us but it's important for the

entire world. >> dickerson: you said that this is a catastrophic and historic mistake, president obama once said that he had israel's back, do you think that he's betrayed you here with this deal? >> look, i appreciate, president obama and united states ongoing commitment to israel security. that's always something that's important. but this deal -- we have a disagreement. honest disagreement. respectful disagreement among friends. i think that people say while everybody agrees with this deal except israel. everyone is united against this new opposition and coalition alike. secondly many in the region speak to me tell me how they're worried that this deal will endanger their security. in many ways. people say well, the whole world agrees. that's not true. but even if they did there was celebrated deal, a few years ago, nuclear deal, everybody in the scientific community everybody applauded it. it was a deal with north kiir

rei can't. that proved to be mistake. north korea today has dozen nuclear bombs and is on track to get within few years 100 nuclear bombs. i think that this is repeat of the mistake of north korea. what is more, eye tolll the ruler of iran, dictator saying going to continue his battle against united states and his worldwide terrorism. i think shouldn't give them a reward. this deal paves the path for nuclear arsenal make the problem of terrorism and the region and in the world much worse by giving iran billions of dollars for their war on terror. >> dickerson: all right. prime minister, benjamin, netanyahu. we'll be back in one minute. a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit?

can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive? >> dickerson: we're back with the top democrat on senate intelligence committee dianne feinstein. we'll get back to the iran deal in a moment. i wanted to ask you about the other big story this week on

thursday, ma'am made muhammad youssef abdulazeez muhammad youssef abdulazeez went on shooting spree at marine facility in chattanooga killing five. do we have any idea, any intelligence what radicalized muhammad youssef abdulazeez? >> not at the present time? that's being investigated as you know a team has been sent to jordan to explore that fur newer. but john in my view based on what i know so far this is a classic lone wolf terrorist attack. last year, 2014, isil in the area put out a call for people to kill military people, police officers, government officials and do so on their own not wait for direction. it could rell be that this is that case. here somebody who had guns, who knew how to use them, who may have been agreed by one thing or another. but this is all changing. here is how it's changing.

it is now possible for people, if they're going to talk syria to the united states to get on encrypted app which cannot be decrypted by the government with a court order. and this is extraordinarily dangerous. >> dickerson: is this the new state of affairs? no way he could have been caught by some kind of a screen, intelligence couldn't have caught him? is this just what life is going to be like? >> i think to a great extent it is. this concerns me very greatly. i had met with the chief counseling for the internet companies, pointed this out. asked for help there. is also on the internet a stack of documents that tell you how to make a bomb that goes through a magnitometer. suggested some people to kill. and is extraordinarily dangerous. i've asked the internet

companies to take that off. they will not do it unless they are mandated to do it by law. so you have a predetermined kind of propaganda effort that with a few clicks somebody can get to. it's very sophisticated. all about, if they want to come to syria and train, if not. what they should do in this country. >> dickerson: does that mean you have to remove the seduction of isis and janing up by going overseas and defeating isis. i think it does. i have said before we're either going to fight them there or fight them here. and whether degrade and destroy is enough, i think the jury is out. we have been counting on our sunni arab neighbors to help.

and candidly there's been some help. but clearly not enough. so, i think this is a constant battle and will be a constant battle and we have to understand that there are lots of people out there who are going to succumb to the propaganda and three to do these kind of things. >> dickerson: overseas now. let's switch to the deal with the iranian nuclear program. do you think democrats will support the president on this? >> again i think the jury is out. i certainly hope so. i believe it's our one opportunity. i believe you can't ignore the fact that you have russia china, the united kingdom france and germany all aligned. it is very likely that monday if they go to nid nations they will get approval to proceed. it is very likely that regardless of what we do these nations will drop their sanctions at some point. now, i listen carefully what

what prime minister much israel said. i think it's pretty clear to everybody that america has israel's back. we give huge amounts of money $25 billion. we give security help. help with the other sophisticated programs. precision weapons if israel were to be attacked this would be major war on our part. here is the point. the point is that you have a moderate elected government that wants to make a change. we'll see if this is enough to induce that change. >> dickerson: thank you. we'll be right back in a moment with the donald trump controversy. seven out of ten power outages in the us are caused by weather. but utilities can now predict where the power will go out, within a few city blocks.

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>> he's not a war hero. he is a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured. because he was captured. okay? >> dickerson: that was yesterday at the iowa leadership summit joining us to frank a republican pollster and cbs news analyst and moderated that event in des moines which is where he is this morning. was that a turning point for the trump campaign? >> it will be a turning point depending on what he does over the next 24 hours. i've already had the opportunity to reach out to two separate veterans organizations, one of them a pow organization they told me that they believe that this will be significant. the idea of distinguishing veterans who were captured versus those that weren't is

offensive this them. they feel that donald trump owes john mccape an apology. it demonstrates character. it demonstrates judgment. up to this point that exchange was because i was asking him questions about the words that he was using. and whether they were proper. for a presidential candidate. but that exchange suggested that he really doesn't appreciate the significance of being a pow and what that means in american society. >> dickerson: frank, when he was done -- when you were done with your interview he got a standing ovation, so i'd like you to separate for us the difference between the way voters and republican base may think about him and the press. why did he get a standing ovation? >> first of a all ten presidential candidates got standing ovation. second that only about 06% that have room stood for him.

standing ovations for mike huckabee. they were far more enthusiastic than one for donald trump. yes, he's being accurate. that's not actually what happened. second is that he does speak straight. he says it the way it is. american people are desperate. beyond someone who is honest and accountable, number two attribute that the american people are looking for i do apologize, my voice is gone from four hours of questioning these people. the number two attribute someone who says what they mean and mean what they say. trump does do that. his language is very powerful. but you still have to ask the question, is this the kind of civilitys this the kind of decency -- >> dickerson: all right, frank. >> that builds a goody electoral process. >> dickerson: sorry to be uncivil interrupt you. thanks so much. stay with us.

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>> dickerson: welcome back to fakes the nation. gwen ifill is managing editor of the pbs "newshour." new york sometimes magazine chief national correspondent mark leibovich wrote the cover retori. ruth marcus is columnist for the "washington post" and robert costa is national political reporter for the "washington post." welcome to all of you we'll start with you now reaction to donald trump let's take a listen. >> donald trump owes every american veteran and in particular john mccain an apology. >> donald trump he didn't apologize to senator mccain all the other men and women who wore the uniform that's just a disgrace. >> the good people of iowa the good people of new hampshire

and the good people of south carolina are going to figure this out. and here is what i think they're going to say. donald trump you're fired. [ applause ] >> dickerson: well, gentleman women that was republican candidatess this it for him? >> not necessarily. there are three audiences for donald trump does and says. there are the republicans who are interested perhaps in getting the people donald trump appears to john mccain's called the craze he's. he says he's my friend. there are the craze he's as they're called really what they are the are angry that people aren't shouting. they like that donald trump shouts. the other audience are democrats and hillary clinton gets to make hair jokes about him. because that have, donald thrum isn't interested in going

anywhere. he can't be shamed out of any of this clearly. i think the action is, into the next debate at least. >> dickerson: republicans were slow to criticize trump when they talked about mexicans. they were doing it in the same tweet cyclef that's a phrase. >> he touched a third rail when he came to john mccain as a military hero. that is something that to this point at least universal point of agreement for republicans democrats and what have you. so, yeah, you can -- there's going to be this static around the mexican comment. then this. which i think gives you sense of i think hillary clinton has been very adept in exploiting that. >> dickerson: you've spent some time with trump lot of time republican voters out there. give us a sense of what the real electorate is there for him that he's keying into whether there's another candidate that electorate would go to? >> when i was at the arizona rally you got the sense these are people are who are i

political. not conservative in the sense. frustrated with the political process they want to see outsider come in just be a bull in the china shop. the most triking thing being on the plane with strum flying from phoenix to new york is that there's no karl rove, no senior political elder at his side who can speak to the candidate in moment of crisis such as this really tell him how he is. >> they would be fired. >> he'd say you're fired. that's the problem for trump he has some ability to hold a crowd. when it comes to having aplite at apparatus he doesn't have it. >> but also, the reason the crazies is he doesn't have a karl rove at his side. he's been able to separate himself from the politics, become the other of this race which is very coveted spot. >> i don't think this is the end. but i think may be a little bit perm thinking might be the beginning of the end. but i think what this trump episode, i hope it's just

episode tells us about two things. one, tells us something about the state of the republican party. and degree of anger and animosity and unrest, segment of the party feels. that is bad news i think for some of the more mainstream candidates. also is another one of these things in front of the more, let's call them credible candidates. how they respond to trump, not just this one which was really a no brainer in how to respond to his outrageous comments about john mccain. but in terms of the lag that they have had in responding to previous comments about mexican rapist,s where president obama was born. yesterday we didn't pay attention, what he said about mccain he was so outrageous he was asked whether he thought the president loved america, he said he didn't know. >> the reason for that lag. this is a leaderless majority. the chairman tried to ask trump to tone it down. he ignored him. who could speak up right now really contest trim snap the

party that has ha r a crowded field. >> the people who can speak up are the people who have a sense of backbone and decency and understand as lindsey graham has been very outspoken on donald trump. what crosses the line. also in the long term best for them, maybe these voters but what is best for the party. >> dickerson: you talked to ted cruz who is not speaking out. what did you make of him is he being blotted out by the trump -- >> a going up to meet with donald trump who that morning said, i don't know why i'm meeting with ted cruz. he said, media forcing us to denounce this man he's my friend. he poses for a picture that's fine. few days -- other question i asked ted cruzs donald trump even a conservative? this is a good question from someone -- >> dickerson: what does he believe -- >> about the policy.

he said, we'll see. real estate after this said basically the same thing. you got points for consistency. someone in the race who is not willing to write him off yet. 15 people competing, why would you write off any segment of the population who might show up. >> also the logical extension of a political system that has come to revere celebrities, a culture that comes to revere. on any merit whatsoever. there's no standard. also money a political system which money can be -- >> are you suggesting kardashian is going to throw her hat into the democratic race? >> why do you think that's impossible? >> anything is possible these days. >> speaking of political celebrity you have this cover story on hillary clinton. you said that she was done with being careful. >> she said that last year when she was promoting her book. and she said she found it

frustrating. we haven't seen it to this point in this campaign cycle. there is this weird fetish we have in the political system around trump or chris christie, the celebration of the i'm going to tell it like it is. i am the truth teller in this race. i think a lot of people can see right through that. a lot of people can't. but hillary clinton i think for those who have seen her privately and publicly even journalists have seen her less plugged in setting, will tell you that there is much different version of the hillary clinton that that we see on tv. >> but not seeing that on -- we are not seeing that version on the campaign trail. you watch her cnn interview which is the only national television interview she looked like she was sitting in the dentist chair. this is not a candidate who is running as jeb bush said joyfully. she's running carefully. >> dickerson: do people care about that? >> it's interesting when you look at the two ex treatments. donald trump who is appealing to

people who inspired to be billionaires and bernie sanders for people who hail billionaires. they are opposite ends. somewhere in the middle person who is going to be dominated. look at wall street folks who support hillary clinton. this is the sweet spot. the serious candidates. >> dickerson: another person on that spectrum of wealth you have donald trump talking how rich he is then scott walker this week, announced for president, he can't go through without talking about the coupons he clips. he's on the winnebagos and discount shirt. what is scott walker's story? >> when you talk to his advisors their sense eventually trump is going to implode the party is going to look to someone who has a blue collar appeal, a little bit of populous edge, they think he's conservative person, he's won three elections in ways wisconsin. they are nervous about the field. as much as he may be every man candidate that may not be

enough. trying to think how can he become exciting. get more out of his -- >> just his comment denounced trump, he used the word denounced with less force. >> this was scott walker's week, right? you were there i think. at his launch. and we're not talking about scott walker we're talking about donald trump. >> based on with who denounced donald trump more or less? >> people get of what they think candidate's character s. my argument would be, that that is how they respond to the -- >> dickerson: but wasn't there an opportunity for like jeb bush to really promote his brand which is the i'm not donald trump. put out a little video talking about the tone. but an opportunity for jeb bush to make a bigger noise? >> ternly an opportunity. how bush responded tells us a

lot. reluctant to engage with trump because you enter a boxing ring with trump you could come out bloody. i think what his own candidacy not someone out there fighting. he hopes eventually the party comes back with a little more even temper. >> dickerson: your point is that are these summer -- >> that go away. >> one other thing that happened this week, i think we should talk about which is really bizarre encounter that bernie sanders and martin o'malley had the two other democratic candidates net roots nation, where you have segment of republican party that seems to be semi large supporting trump. but then you had on the other side also folks who are not going to get the nomination. being shouted down while they were denouncing billionaires,

calling for dash by the black rights matter folks. that was the sort of outburst of unreasonableness on the left side of the party. and i think -- >> dickerson: explain the nature of their complaint. this sat base of the democratic party. >> and they are saying things that the base should be cheering. but there is a group that is shouting them down during their speech because they are not talking only about black lives matter and -- seems to me watching this week, both parties had secret meetings where they got together said, how can we most alienate voters. they did a good job. >> dickerson: thanks to all of you we'll be right back with analysis on iran deal, stay with us.

>> dickerson: we're back to talk about iran deal. welcome cbs foreign affairs correspondent margaret brennan back to the u.s. after weeks and week was being in vienna with secretary carrie. joined by washington wash boast columnist david ignatious and jeffrey goldberg of the atlantic. lot to grab on to this deal. what for you stands out in this agreement? >> listening to secretary carrie and prime minister netanyahu might take away is that the

details of this deal are pretty solid. that it's been carefully negotiated. that it will hold up for ten years or more. but the prime minister netanyahu is right. iran is a dangerous destabilizing force in the middle east. somehow good policy seems to me to use the deal to cap the nuclear threat that iran would pose for ten years. but work on that other problem. i wish i heard more how to change iranian behavior that is still threatening. >> dickerson: what do you think is biggest selling point of the deal. best selling point? >> the best selling point that it's a way if the iranians actually don't cheat, it's a way to keep them from building nuclear bomb for half generation or more. the worst part to build on what david is saying is that, the issue is what they're going to do with their windfall. that is the question that we haven't seen answered yet. they could take that money they're going to get $150

billion out of this. the first sort of iteration they could create havoc or more havoc in the middle east, the question going forward is, to this story is not ending the question going forwards how are we going to contain them conventionally. we've capped them on nuclear standpoint. >> that is one of the biggest complaints of the arab allies who haven't been as publicly critical as prime minister netanyahu has. but privately really worried this is going to fund other proxy wars. the top negotiator will say no, we're going to spend this on reconstruction and infrastructure and the like. right. but arab allies say wait a second, one place we look, syria, where iran has extreme influence we're seeing extreme reluctance to counter that. really sort of waiting to see if the administration backs up. >> this is what obama administration would say that

these guys have been pretty good at using their limited terrorism dollars over the past ten or 15 years to create havoc. some more money in that pot is not going to stashly change the reality of syria. lebanon and so on. >> dickerson: why not have the opposite response, they're going to be that much more efficient with x plus -- >> dickerson: what can the u.s. do to -- secretary kerry going to up its game in cordening off iran. what can they really do? >> the u.s. needs to do two things simultaneously. first, it tools need to work with our sunni-arab allies. able to push back against iranian expansion. the sunnis say the iranians are controlling the capitals. so pushing back, resisting that is important. u.s. has to help them. that's what the camp david summit was about. sat the aim time secretary

kerry and president believes strongly may ab door open to broader diplomatic dialogue in part because of this new pressure from the sunni side that would lead the iranians to negotiations about sear california is really on the ropes now. secretary kerry hopes that the russians will encourage a process where there's negotiations for a transition. that sounds great so long as you keep the pressure on. >> dickerson: secretary kerry's next job he has two things, sell congress, 60 days to pick this deal apart then also as david points out lot of work to to be done overseas. >> there is. going to be head can to speak to some of the heads of the gulf states in early august to try to sell them. the promises that were mapped at camp david. that you just mentioned. but syria is the big test case for this. because it is the place where you are seeing iran in power. you have seen obama administration very restrained,

very concern ld about what directly confronting iran there could mean. so it goes to be interesting to see what the arab gulf states do if they actually follow through in confrontation there. >> two quick points, president obama sees isis as the threat, not iran. i think that is fair. not to say that he discounts iran entirely but isis is the flame thrower. >> iran says now that we've done this we can join together. >> which is dubious proposition. >> most effective fighting force on the ground. >> the proposition is happening. >> right. just make friends with -- dangerous thing here. but second point that there's extremely long game here president obama won't talk about. but he does seem to believe that iran could be at a tipping point. the population is pro-american, 30 years of living under the ayatollah will do that to you.

that may be this will set in motion a virtuous cycle which we see iran rejoin the community of nations. he doesn't have a lot of faith in saudi arabia and the gulf states as true civilizations. we've seen that. in some of his statements owe lip particularly. he does believe that something being set in motion. >> you made reference apt the beginning to the irannians dancing in the streets after the deal. i just would note that the people dancing in the streets are not the hardliners. they are the iranians who have been dreaming of joining the world, over the long run that's the thing that's working most to our advantage. they want to be part of the world that we live in and their political force. >> the sanctions were going but -- >> need to be part of the world. >> it appeals to -- n syria. >> but symbolic importance to what you're saying that i think sometimes we miss as americans. that the proximity of recent

history to the iranian public, they're looking back at all these years of mistrust, they can read you long list of where america has done them wrong. to be making some sort of reproach, then being told come back out of the cold into the community. it has some significance to the public. certainly. >> dickerson: what do you make of secretary kerry's analogy like the soviet union where the united states would have arms deals with the soviet union and ran r ronald reagan calling them evil empire, you can work two tracks here. >> i think it does. we forget gist how menacing the soviet union was at the time of the arms control deals. how menacing china was. china was talking about general nuclear war at the time that henry kissinger and president nixon engaged them. the idea that you engage your adversaries that you can have -- history tells us that that is real. i think it's analogy to draw.

i wish he didn't say the alternative to this deal is war. because we know from history russia and china that isn't the alternative. it's the kind of cold stalemate bitter confrontation. it's not necessarily. >> although to be fair at this point within the framework reality that the obama administration and allies have created for themselves, if congress were to subvert this over right a veto, let's take. the chances are very slim that iran and negotiating partners will go back to the table say well congress wants us to do x y and z. so, we would be slipping toward a kind of confrontation which of course is what most of america's allies and region, israel and arabs don't say this as such but they kind of hope that we would go back into more confrontational mode. >> dickerson: margaret, i want

to ask you a question about the drama of this. so many days of negotiations. nose to nose, there was yelling that could be heard through the doors, give us a sense of the drama of this moment. >> i mean it was a roller composter in many ways, you're reading body language. you're reading into whether people are moving hotel rooms what that could mean. there were shouting matches. amend you heard one between the eeu's foreign policy chief and iran's top negotiator. which he publicly spoke to later on. and this showed up in the iranian press the idea, don't threaten an iranian. this is when things got really heated about the week before the deal was struck. she said we can call this thing off. we can walk away, this isn't going to happen. that's when he said don't threaten me m. quickly became, all over twitter. she went luckily said, you put italian and iranian in the same room this isn't going to stay cold.

you had kerry get into some spars over the past two years for iranians, particularly $arif the u.s. backed iraq and saddam hussein and war against iran said, i can bring up up on war crimes. don't talk to me about destabilizing. there is a lot of nerves and tensions, it is amazing regardless of what you think what ended up in the deal, they got to it at all got seven capitals to agree to this diplomatic agreement. is pretty substantial. >> dickerson: 40 seconds or so left, sorry to do this to you give us sense how this fits in the obama legacy, the sense of his world. >> from the day barak obama became president literally inauguration address he's been working towards this moment which engage america's adversaries of mutual interest and respect. he can say now that he's done that, that he's got pretty solid deal. more people than expected. the question in the remaining year and half i think is can he

be strong enough as president to also project power because in this part of the world that so unstable that american prepares is going to be even more important after the deal. >> dickerson: he told you in 20 years he'll still be around have to live with this deal. >> he's very aware that his legacy is riding on this. >> dickerson: that's where we'll have to leave it. we'll be right back.

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